The theme of Sleaze has been announced: Sinsuality. All the website tells us is How about something original, mortal, or unforgivable? More details next Thursday... Is teasing a sin?

The party will happen on 1st October in the RHI and Horden.

Some small writing in the top right of the image indicates there are 7 more coming.

Sleaze Graffiti Wall 2005 #2
New Mardi Gras home page

Adamx - Thu 28 Jul 2005 23:15:04

Like the name/theme sooooooooooo many ideas for it.
Bring it on - Fri 29 Jul 2005 20:29:13 Replies: add

14 Aug ARQ 6th Birthday Party
1 Oct Sleaze Ball - Party Producer

I'm sure they will do a great job.
- Sinsual Sally - Fri 29 Jul 2005 20:51:58 Replies: add

New Mardi Gras has released a teaser for your Saturday, 1 October Sleaze Party. Looks like your long weekend will require atonement after racking up your misdemeanours. Confession, though, is optional and can always take place via sms, on the couch or in a sunny café with loved ones the day after.

This is a costume friendly-theme, true to the roots of Sleaze and, all jokes aside, is still our key fundraiser for Mardi Gras. A successful Sleaze enables New Mardi Gras to put on Launch, Fair Day, the Parade and the Party – your Mardi Gras season! So, while there are lots of opportunities to enjoy yourselves this October long weekend, make sure you definitely include Sleaze in your plans so we can all enjoy a big brash and fantastic Mardi Gras Season next year!

For a taste, please visit Sleaze 2005 http://www.mardigras.org.au/Diary/sleaze_2005.htm
- Sun 31 Jul 2005 10:30:27 Replies: add

Read between the lines I think what NMG are trying to say is that they are not pleased about Toybox being on the next day.
- Sun 31 Jul 2005 10:45:50 Replies: 1, 2, add

Then, when the DJs are announced, say how crap they are. Comment authoritatively that the choice is the same as every other party and that the music all is sh*t anyway. Complain that there is no space for "Deep Dark Retro Trance with a twist of Kylie" lovers. Announce that there is never anyone new and that the best slots are taken by people you don't know.

There will come a time when the wall gets quiet, so mention again your outrage that there are no sex spaces. How you hate seeing sex in the middle of the dance floor or anywhere really. Say how you haven't had that party spirit since 1969.

Attend the party, just so you can prove how correct all your predictions were. Don't bother to enjoy yourself or notice the thousands of others dancing away, smiling and having a great time.

After the trade you scored has left (you will say chucked out) and you are feeling sore and sorry for yourself start complaining how bad the party was. You never heard a song you liked, except that one you heard everywhere you went, the one that goes doof doof. You couldn't hear it anyway because you couldn't hear the music from the RHI while you were on the bleachers in the Horden. Bitch that the 232 lasers in the Horden were not impressive and they should have all been multicolour.

Mention that no one even looked at you in your designer jeans and underwear and fake tan. That no one was in costume, except all those people wearing strange outfits that looked really silly. They are too old or young to be at the party anyway.
- Sun 31 Jul 2005 11:31:30 Replies: 1, add

I look at it this way. If you count up the number of whinging posts about a party , then add up the number who actually attended the party. You end up with a low single digit percentage who didnt like the party.
As they say you cant please all the people all the time.
But in order the next set of whingeing will be -
the DJ's
the lack of a specific music type
the lact of a particular venue
as you say it will then go quiet then someone will post-
no sex spaces whinge whinge
or
too many straights la la la la la la la la la

and as you say they will post with an absolute authoritive
voice on the subject.
Lets watch em - Sun 31 Jul 2005 12:11:19 Replies: 1, add

Sounds like Envy to me
- Sun 31 Jul 2005 12:51:12 Replies: 1, add

The post never said you cant say anything. If you read back on past walls its the same old same old and probably generated by about 10-20 posters..........just gets very
tiresome.
Also opinions are fine but not when they are as scathing/
bitchy as some are etc and they offer no valid points nor a reasonable suggestion.

Besides both posts were making fun of them and whats to come.
Just watch - Sun 31 Jul 2005 16:25:50 Replies: 1, add

those other posters werent bitching they were having fun and you and the post before you just didn't get it !

But calling people names tsk tsk.
You didnt get it - Mon 1 Aug 2005 13:42:53 Replies: add

My personal opinion regarding the scheduling of another toybox at luna park the following day is appaling, considering toybox AND NMG instigated the whole concept as an official mardi gras festival event and recovery a mere 6 months ago. They should be continuing to support NMG over the long weekend, expecially since ACON had it's go with BQN in june, and we all know that BGF is one of the more wealthy of our community organisations.

The time has come to decide with your wallets which organisations you are supporting this weekend. I plan on buying 2 tickets to sleaze and donating one to 2010 so someone who cant afford to go can. And in doing so i will be providing yet another sale to an organisation that is struggling to provide the february we all love to enjoy each year at (lets face it) little cost to us!
friend of the board - Mon 1 Aug 2005 14:41:04 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

If what I have heard is true, they need this party to be a financial success, or else there will be no future parties. I think it is wise for them to hand pick the DJ's for this party.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 11:53:39 Replies: 1, add

I also think that there is a real issue of professionalism about making public comments on pinkboard before the selection has been announced and before the unsuccessful DJs have been notified.

However, again, maybe this is all a storm in a teacup. Maybe someone has lead a number of us on with some malicious posting. It's been known to happen on these walls before.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 12:18:24 Replies: 1, 2, add

This really has been a poor process and totally different to what NMG had advised earlier in the year.

I've had enough of the games and backdoor favours that have been going on this year and won't be bothering anymore with NMG.

I'll be interested to see the final line up, especially if it features the same dj who was part of the dj selection group and who also caused controversy with his selection for Mardi Gras.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 14:10:42 Replies: 1, add

I understand that NMG had already chosen which DJs they wanted before any EOIs had been submitted and that this was only to make the process seem fair and transparent. Having said that, it's a commercial business and they need to make commercial decisions in order to surivive. I'm not really shitty at the fact that NMG had a preconcieved line-up, but moreso that they wasted our time by asking for EOIs when we clearly had no chance.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 15:31:24 Replies: 1, 2, add

How does anybody know this for sure? One post above says that a working party group went through about 50 submissions. Seems like there are some conflicting and controversial statements being made. This is not to dis your claim though - anything is possible.
confused - Tue 2 Aug 2005 17:43:40 Replies: add

- Tue 2 Aug 2005 18:10:10

I would say i was pleased that around a month ago I was asked by one one of the organisers via email what DJs I would like to see at sleaze.

Why was I asked for my opinion-only because i participated in some of the shows at last sleaze-so really im just a punter who wanted to get involved last time and now i was asked for my input on djs

So i doubt that i held any influence but i thought it showed simply by asking mine and others opinions that NMG are trying to get it right

to those who missed out-try being positive instead of negative-would you be so pissed at the handling of things if you were accepted?

maybe you arent good enough?maybe it just wasnt your time?so go and enjoy the party anyway

whatever your emotion remember you choose it
u cant always get what u want- - but if u try sometimes u just mite find......... - Tue 2 Aug 2005 19:38:35 Replies: add

I have better things to do than to contact lots of people to tell them they didnt make it

if they are smart they will figure it out

consider yourself lucky u recieved an email-sheesh grow up

Any actors going for an audition will tell you what it means when the phone doesnt ring
not rocket science - Tue 2 Aug 2005 19:45:40 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

My biggest problem is this process was 100% completely different from the process that Mardi Gras themselves described to us earlier in the year.

They moved the goal posts and went back on their word.

How can an organisation that does that be trusted?
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 20:41:28 Replies: add

Thank God.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 20:50:15 Replies: add

Enuf with the sour grapes. As has been said it's a commercial decision. I can't tell you how many job interviews I have done where the "rules" change from those that were advised at the time, such as not deciding in one day but 2 weeks; deciding to use a temp instead, using existing staff to fill the role, etc etc. All leads to the same thing - I didn't get the gig. Move on... NEEEEXT!
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 21:12:52 Replies: add

Therefore, the EOI process was not a waste of time, or an exercise to make things look clear and transparent, it was a tool used to narrow down the large list of Australian DJ's they could choose from.

I know the line-up and I think it is pretty phenomenal. There are two DJ's who have never played a MG or Sleaze before, and a couple of long-established DJ's who haven't played a MG or Sleaze for many years. There's a few who have done the rounds, but who haven't done the last couple. It is a pretty well-rounded line-up with some popular DJ's.

The fact remains that this party needs to be a success for NMG, otherwise it is bye bye to our biggest parties. You can't blame them for taking the stance that they need to rely on proven ability and draw-card names to ensure that this party is a success for them. Since they need to do that, it makes the demo submission process irrelevant as no matter how good someone's demo is, if they don't have the pulling power, they aren't going to achieve the desired result of getting people to buy tickets.

It's hard to be rejected, and it is hard to not take it personally. I know from experience. But people need to look at this party as the exception. NMG couldn't take the chance for this one as it could be their last. If it is a success, and our parties continue, I'm sure future parties will allow for a more flexible process. And if they get some money in the bank, I'm sure they could afford to evolve our parties to something new and different. But people need to support this party to ensure that incoming cash can sustain future improvement.

Whether you decide to go or not is your choice. Hopefully enough people will go to ensure a successful party for NMG.
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 21:23:02 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

Maybe, the best man/woman did get the job - Tue 2 Aug 2005 21:40:43

This is the most sensible post I have read on this topic - EVER. And it does explain a lot. Those who are concerned about why they didn't recieve a response from the Sleaze working party can always send an email to the chair requesting an explanation. It's pretty easy to do that, and in my experience it does pay off. Respect and professional conduct goes both ways. All you need to do is take some initiative.
Enough already - now............. what to wear???? - Tue 2 Aug 2005 21:56:45 Replies: add

good luck sleaze ball xxxxxxxx
- Tue 2 Aug 2005 23:17:11 Replies: 1, 2, add

I also don't think that based on what is being said that anyone would argue with the quality of the DJs employed.

I think, however, that NMG could do a lot better on outlining the process that they are going to use clearly and could thus avoid wasting people's time.
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 10:17:07 Replies: add

Well don't listen to all the different stories - go directly to the Party Co-Chairs or the Party Board sponsor. Or ring and speak to the General Manager.

I think that you may find that it can't be that secretive! And if DJ selection is so 'unprofessional' how come I only ever hear about it on Pinkboard? (and that's a serious observation...sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture)
Sleaze lover - Wed 3 Aug 2005 14:44:30 Replies: add

Reading the comments on this board, and in a Sarah Jessica Parker moment, one has to ask… “How long can something last that is self consuming…”

While I have not given my time or effort to NMG I look at the stories I see on here and it truly affirms to me why… people leaking information, EOIs going out to the selected few, was this simply the case to keep people happy with the DJs preselected? Interesting to see that the lighting man is back in the family and spreading using information he has to boost his profile and name…

NMG is, last time I checked a community based organisation, one that serves the community – but with what I ask, what is it that NMG does, it throws 2 parties a year, it has a festival, which is like all other festivals, it has a launch that people are fenced into, it fights with other community groups, and has fair day – which if last year is any indication, its simply a couple of stalls, some second rate entertainment in the rain…

What is it that NMG does, who do they stand for, is it about a fight for equality, gay and lesbian rights, the people from the 70s reminding us all of the fight they had for us and how we should be indebted to them forever . Maybe, just maybe it is an excuse to have a party.. hmm or is it simply just self serving political thing that has no true purpose…

You have to wonder, if NMG talk about transparency and yet shows none, show as little respect for DJs as highlighted here and stands for who knows what – then what truly is the point of it being – what do I get for my membership money… after all a ticket to Astons circus is cheaper and I think represents better value…

Power to the people who are in the inner circle, may you use your power to self promote and gain all that you can as the day will come that the opportunity to rape the community for self benefit, and a “boys / girls club” are nearly at an end… in the mean time – sit back watch the circus and keep an eye out for the clowns
Sarah Jessica Parker - Wed 3 Aug 2005 15:31:36 Replies: add

A few people on here do seem to know the line up, but have you considered that they are probably the DJ's who have been selected???

NMG have been advertising the fact that more info will be released this THURSDAY. Why don't you try waiting until then?
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 15:53:24 Replies: add

If so how does one get involved being one of the many who didn't get a run this time?
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 18:43:16 Replies: add

These people are scary.

I just be if SJP or Roll Up Roll up were running NMG they could do a much better job and would not accept any insults from this board or anyone else.

Actually Toto if you look at the real world there are people who were not happy with Bob Carr , people not happy with John Howard, people not happy with Telstra......

Is the majority who are unhappy with NMG ? or just the few posters here ?
Somewhere over the Rainbow - Wed 3 Aug 2005 19:34:18 Replies: add

From what I have read here it appears that NMG has contacted everyone who applied and told them whether they were successful or not. They have done this prior to making any official announcement. Presumably they contacted the successful DJs first in case one decided to pull out and they had to choose someone else.

In this case it appears that New Mardi Gras has acted correctly. I cannot comment on the selection process as it would be all presumption and hearsay.

The question you might like to consider is should Pinkboard suppress the leaks?
Panther - Wed 3 Aug 2005 20:40:45 Replies: 1, 2, 3, 4, add

After having had to deal with NMG in recent years playing at a number of their events I have to say that I am SOOOOOOOO happy I didn't bother apply for a DJ position for Sleaze.

What a disgraceful set of circumstances leading up to the way in which DJ selection occurred this time. Nothing was transparent and it was all cloak and dagger stuff - utterly frightening.
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 21:20:46 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

The fact that some of the names got out early is unfortunate but can't be helped.

I know some are annoyed with the leaking of the information but I tihnk a majority are more annoyed with the sudden change in the process when we had expected NMG to keep thier word from earlier in the year.

That to me at least, is the source of my annoyance.
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 21:31:29 Replies: add

I am not concerned with how they got there, just the end result. And I suggest thats all anyone reading the posters or adverts cares about as well.
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 21:43:33 Replies: add

It doesn't take a genius to work out that NMG has a deal with SSO...So when does SSO come out? Oh, that's right Thursday. Maybe the DJs will be announced be in there!

How many spots for how many DJs that apply to play? I would say about 80% of people must miss out.

I'm interested to know WHY DJs feel they have been not treated right. I've seen many say 'it's not right' but not was 'it' actually is?

Thanks
A thinker - Wed 3 Aug 2005 21:56:11 Replies: 1, add

I consider Pinkboard the most reliable source for finding out the truth, facts etc.. well..... at least most of the times
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 22:52:52 Replies: add

No. They choose DJ's that fit the theme and style of the party and then they hire them.

Things have changed people, some got in some didn't. Its seems like NMG have some great people on board this year, let stop this carry on and start worrying where countdown boy is...? Huh...? 8 weeks and no countdown..? WTF?
- Wed 3 Aug 2005 23:41:37 Replies: add

I also seem to recall more than one DJ complaining about having to submit a demo (for quite legitimate legal/financial reasons), and that NMG should be able to make decisions based on experience/reputation.

In any case, the DJs have been announced:
http://www.mardigras.org.au/Diary/sleaze_2005.htm

Ruby
Mandy Rollins
Luke Leal
Chip
Kate Monroe
Greg Boladian
Feisty
Dan Murphy
Sveta
Jake Kilby

I'd be interested to know which of these DJs selected through this "disgraceful" process don't deserve to be there.
CeeJay - Thu 4 Aug 2005 00:13:15 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

Why don't people wait until the DJ selection come out before they start bashing it to the ground. NMG have obviously chosen a selection of DJ's they think will please crowds, and ultimately sell tickets. Who cares how they chose it! It's a numbers game people!

People aren't criticizing other dance parties that are happening on the October long weekend for the way they have chosen their DJ's???

I hope people begin to realize that this party is about having a good time, and ultimately it's your attitude that will decide that, not the particular type of remix that's pumping out the speakers.

Good Luck MMG, and see you at Sleaze!
- Back to Basics - Thu 4 Aug 2005 00:20:19 Replies: add

Good Luck!
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 06:52:03 Replies: 1, add

10 DJs, 10 hours, 2 halls

that means ...
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 08:27:31 Replies: add

Before Mardi Gras this year, NMG spelled out very clearly the process and timeline which was going to be used for Sleaze. The EIO was called for as expected but then the entire process was changed without warning.

I know of a couple of DJ's who had started to go through the legalities of preparing demos as they had been shortlisted before and wanted to make sure they had enough time to make legal demos. This process takes time and also COSTS THE DJS MONEY.

They now find themselves out of pocket because NMG went back on their word and changed things behind closed doors despite promising transparency earlier this year.
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 08:47:12 Replies: add

Jake I'm also disappointed in. Last time I heard he was so disillusioned with NMG he said he never wanted to participate in one of their parties again.

It's not a great quality in a person if you can't stay true to your own word.
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 09:36:17 Replies: 1, 2, add

It's not just Mardi Gras that is affected. I note that the Inquisition DJ line up for 2005 was announced on pinkboard before it was finalised this year (and in fact announced by Justin Scott on pinkboard for 2004) - and it did change subsequent to the announcement in 2005.
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 09:38:23 Replies: 1, add

Its a chatboard, we chat , we gossip - Get over it , move on.
Long live Communism - Thu 4 Aug 2005 10:18:01 Replies: add

NMG - I thank you.
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 11:23:05 Replies: 1, add

Lets lighten up a bit!
Dan - If you cant laugh at yourself, you just might be missing out on the best joke of the day. - Thu 4 Aug 2005 11:33:46 Replies: add

I decided to submit an expression of interest for this party for a few reasons:

1. Brad Wright, a very close friend, is Party Producer. Not only do I have faith in his immense desire to try and fix all the problems that had occured in the past, I was also very happy that MFS were no longer at the helm, as they were one of the reasons I was having issues.

2. Ryan Murphy is heavily involved. After the hideous treatment he received last year, he decided to make himself ineligble to submit so that he could work from the inside at fixing all the things that had caused nasty experiences for DJ's in the past.

3. Damon Hartly is heavily involved. Same story as points 1 and 2. He's someone who is dedicated to making the party the best thing possible and ensuring that the experience is a pleasant one for all working on it.

4. One particular Party Working Group Co-Chair is no longer involved. Someone who had little respect for or understanding of DJ's and was single handedly one of the biggest reasons for my dissillusionment with MG 05.

If you ask Brad he will tell you that up to a few weeks ago, I had no intention of submitting at all. Brad hounded me to do so as he had put so much time and affort in to getting the position of Party Producer.

The points mentioned above sparked enough interest in me, and belief that maybe things could change, so I submitted an EOI. It was always my intention to withdraw my application in the process if I felt that I could see signs of the same old demons coming back.

When I received the call asking me to play many things were discussed. These things are private and I don't feel the need to share them, but they satisfied my fears and I believe that NMG are truly trying to improve on mistakes made in the past.

I can't speak for Luke on this, but I take your comment on board and can understand where you are coming from. However, I stand by the things I have said in the past, and I stand by my decision to play at this party. Your comment:'It's not a great quality in a person if you can't stay true to your own word.' is a little harsh, and since you are not aware of all the facts and thought processes involved, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from making derogatory comments like that about either of us.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 4 Aug 2005 11:45:57 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

So what's ARQ going to do on the night of Sleaze Ball now that 5 out of 6 of their Saturday night residents are booked for Sleaze?
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 12:29:38 Replies: add

However, will Brad Wright be able to allay the ticket buying public's concerns about whether there will be a wooden dancefloor installed in the Hordern, given his unequivocal assurance there would be a dancefloor at BQN and there wasn't?
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 12:51:53 Replies: add

so??? your point is???

go forward or dwell in the negative-your choice
dont cry-baby - Thu 4 Aug 2005 13:38:03 Replies: add

Well done to all of you (+ Luke).

Community does exist. Bitching brings things to the surface and action changes things.
Sleaze lover - Thu 4 Aug 2005 14:18:22 Replies: add

And before you all bitch ...no I am not a Jake groupie or even a Luke groupie ...but i am a sveta groupie!!!! : p
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 14:38:38 Replies: add

If you are a member or a volunteer you would already have had the chance to put in your ten cens into the DJ selection process. You could have been invited to the selection process. So why not go and join up to new mardi gras and show your support and bring your issues to the table….
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 16:26:32 Replies: add

Oh and Brad, like others - I'd rather half a lighting rig in the Hordern so long as there is a wooden dance floor
just getting the shins back into shape after BQN
Support please - Thu 4 Aug 2005 19:01:53 Replies: add

Retro Retro Retro - Thu 4 Aug 2005 21:49:31

not unless NMG sell enough early release tix to be able to Afford to book another space.
It's all down to the $$ now for NMG, they cannot afford to lose money in any direction.
- Thu 4 Aug 2005 21:59:09 Replies: add

To any pinkboard newcomers, below sums up what we have talked about here for ages:

1) The RHI is not soundproof
2) No its not ever going to be soundproofed, certainly not by NMG
3) Lang Road residents dont like us near their houses and pretend they can hear doof doof at 4am
And that's why its softer in the RHI than the soundproofed hordern.
Adamx - Cant wait! - Fri 5 Aug 2005 00:06:41 Replies: add

To outsiders like me, that sounds like a form of bias.

Did other DJ's not in Mr Wrights inner circle of friends ever really have a chance of being selected given this information - somehow I would have to question that.

Lets face it , of the 10 DJ's selected, EIGHT of them play regularly at Arq, and where does Mr Wright work ?
There ARE good DJ's who don't work at Arq - Did you even look ? - Fri 5 Aug 2005 07:53:26 Replies: 1, add
This is the opinion of the poster.

Oh yes you do. It's the customers - not the members and volunteers - who provide the ticket sales revenue required to keep the organisation afloat. Their right to whinge is pretty well established.
- Fri 5 Aug 2005 07:58:25 Replies: add

Brad simply encouraged me to submit as he is my friend and liked the idea of working with his friends on the party.

When I got the call asking me to play it was from the members of the PARTY WORKING GROUP - not Brad Wright. He was in QLD when the party working group met to discuss the DJ line up.

You may also want to consider that the person who called me was Ryan Murphy. He was heavily involved with the selection as far as I know (along with the rest of the committee). Some people may consider Ryan a Midnight Shift DJ. The fact that most of the Sleaze DJ's work for Arq is irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with Brad Wright.

Sheesh! Some people will go to any lengths to stir up trouble!
www.jakekilby.com - Fri 5 Aug 2005 12:14:03 Replies: add

I agree with the earlier post.

So what about dress ideas? hmmm?

Let's see - sin............
- Fri 5 Aug 2005 12:57:51 Replies: add

Dickheads are dickheads and can't even sign their names so there's no point in acknowledging them.

NG - Fri 5 Aug 2005 13:25:11 Replies: add

just made up my mind - i am not going.
- Fri 5 Aug 2005 15:38:39 Replies: add

Excellent! One more ticket sold to a positive person. You won't be missed.
- Fri 5 Aug 2005 15:51:41 Replies: add

I'll be there with bells on!

See you all there
Justin Scott - Fri 5 Aug 2005 16:09:31 Replies: add

This is the last chance I am giving NMG. I want to see them cutting out the loss making productions etc. Dont want to see anymore "kitty" that swallowed alot of money and still not completely explained. Nor money spent on stupid projects like
getting MG a more worldwide profile ( beleive me it had that years ago ).
This is not a whinge, I have truly supported NMG in many ways but I am not giving them anymore $'s that end up being swallowed by and endless blackhole.

There will be other promoters out there who will take over the party, put on a fair day etc as they are real money spinners even if its not the one company putting them on.

Now can anyone tell me who is in each Hall ? or maybe we just have the DJ's and if sales go well we will get another Hall ? and if they dont then each DJ only gets about 2 hrs ?
Just busting - Fri 5 Aug 2005 21:26:06 Replies: add

12.30am - 3am - Jake Kilby / Luke Leal (Back to Back)

3am - 5.30am - Kate Munroe (can you believe it) ???

5.30am - close - Dan Murphy
- Fri 5 Aug 2005 22:17:14 Replies: 1, 2, add

http://www.mardigras.org.au/Diary/sleaze_2005.htm

On the top right of this week's 'Vanity' poster it states that it is '1 of 7'

- Fri 5 Aug 2005 22:49:21 Replies: add

Adamx - Sat 6 Aug 2005 14:07:08

Kate is a great small room DJ. She excels in rooms like City Live and Dome.

She is NOT a big space DJ and has preformed miserably on so many occassions that it staggers me that people keep giving her extra chances.

The middle part of the RHI needs to be an energetic set. Kate plays far too funky for that part of the night. She is going to be a huge let down after Jake and Luke playing back to back.

And while i'm on this soapbox and i know Jake watches this board - Jake , You and Luke have very different styles of music. Luke plays trance , you play house. One of you is going to have to forego your preferred style of music. How do you intend on acheiving this without sending punters on an up and down elevator ride ?
Aiden - Sat 6 Aug 2005 15:09:43 Replies: 1, 2, add

seems the earlier posters predictions are true ! you could go back on past pinkboards about 6-8 weeks out from a party and its the same formula ! And yes you are right, people do have the right to post but do people like Aiden have the right to slag off Kate Munroe ? There are Kate fans out there as well and guess what ? surprise surprise there is another hall to move to if you dont like a DJ's set.
Oh and I am not a Kate fan but I can move around the Halls filling my time quite easily but then again just maybe I will enjoy her set.
Also Aiden what happens if Jake replies and you dont like the kind of music he is going to play ? presuming its Jakes style you prefer ?
? - Sat 6 Aug 2005 15:55:10 Replies: add

Yes I do.

It's MY opinion.

Feel free to ignore it at your leisure.
Aiden - Sat 6 Aug 2005 16:43:25 Replies: add

Well bless your heart, of course they do! But it would be preferable if they could get her name right while they are doing it. It's Kate Monroe.
- Sat 6 Aug 2005 17:24:36 Replies: 1, add

Who cares about the spelling, she's simply not an appropriate choice for middle of the night in the RHI
- Sat 6 Aug 2005 19:10:47 Replies: 1, add
This is the opinion of the poster.

please let us know your expertise that knows Kate Monroe will
be no good ?
Crytstal Ball ? Viscous ? or friend of Aiden ? - Sat 6 Aug 2005 19:53:25 Replies: 1, add

My guess is 1 Chip, 2 Sveta, 3 back to back Feisty and Mandy and 4 Ruby. 2&3 interchangeable.
- Sat 6 Aug 2005 20:07:45 Replies: add

In my opinion her poor track record when selected to play in the Hordern or the RHI over the last decade speaks for itself. I could rattle off about 10 parties in the last decade where she has played a poor Hordern or RHI set

I am not a fan or detractor of Kate, from all accounts she is a great person and has proven herself as a very competent DJ however my experience of her as a DJ is that I have had some fabulous nights in Dome or City Live when she has been placed in those spaces but has failed dismally when playing in the 2 big halls where more energetic music has normally been expected.

Unless she is going to drastically change her music style then I don't think her music will go down well in the middle of the night in the RHI.

My opinion. Please respect it
- Sat 6 Aug 2005 22:45:10 Replies: 1, add

Respect ? how can you have respect on personal attacks ?

Entitled to your opinion - YES entitled to personal attacks
before the event - NO. After the event - YES.
Na na nah - Sun 7 Aug 2005 10:09:24 Replies: add

www.jakekilby.com - Sun 7 Aug 2005 12:50:41

Kate is considered one of Australia's (not just the GLBTQ community) top DJs: number 17 in ths year's In The Mix top 50 http://www.inthemix.com.au/50/2005/. This means that lots of people actually like her.

I love it how people manage to ignore reality when they have a point to prove.
Arti - Sun 7 Aug 2005 13:14:04 Replies: 1, add

Thanku NMG for giving us something to look forward to!
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 16:09:23 Replies: add

People want THEIR DJ in THEIR hall at the RIGHT time otherwise they totally bitch.

There are 2 halls and with this many DJ's it will not be hard to move around for 2.5hrs if you dont like one particular DJ.

Personal attacks are just not on.
Moving on..................... - Sun 7 Aug 2005 16:11:16 Replies: 1, add

Saying that a particular DJ (in ones opinion) is not an appropriate choice for a particular hall IS NOT a personal attack

Saying that a particular DJ (in one opinion) has not performed up to scratch when previously selected in a particular hall IS NOT a personal attack

It's called expressing an OPINION. Please try to understand the difference between expressing an honest opinion and attacking someone.

If I was to call someone a dickhead - Now THAT would be a personal attack. So I wont.
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 16:55:47 Replies: add

If Kate Monroe is so shithouse, why has she been invited so many times over the last decade to play at large parties huh?

The original poster makes zero sense.
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 18:56:41 Replies: add

Some people must skim over things on this board and not take in everything before they open their sometimes big mouths.

Once again for dummies - Kate gets picked "so many times over the last decade to play at large parties" because she is EXCELLENT when chosen to play the smaller funkier spaces like Dome and City Live. Year after year she has been brilliant playing her special brand of funky house stuff to crowds in the smaller spaces at our dance parties. I have had heaps of great nights dancing to her when she has been slotted in the Dome and / or City live.

However, put her in the bigger rooms like Hordern and the RHI and MY EXPERIENCE is that her music has not been suited to those halls and her sets in those halls have been a big let down. (A few Examples - RHI Mardi Gras 1995, The last Inquisition in the Hordern, Hordern New Years Eve 1995 into 1996 , Hordern Pride 1999 into 2000 , Hordern Sleaze 2002)

Unless Kate decides to radically change her preferred music style and play a more higher energy set of music then her set at Sleaze "could" once again be a letdown.

Time will tell. But I will be back to say "I told you so" to those that doubt me. Put a note in your diary for the first week in October.
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 19:40:16 Replies: 1, 2, add

If she was such a disaster in 1995 then why was she asked to do a big venue again?

And if she flopped that 2nd time, why was she selected AGAIN?

Just get over your delusions. I thought she was fantastic at Sleaze 2002 and so did the crowd. This is why she gets asked over and over.
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 21:49:10 Replies: add

I don't agree with some of the dj's picked, however I believe if they were put in the right halls it could work, sorry Brad and the Party Working Group, but I don't think it will be a great night, it could be with a few simple changes, but I'm not holding my breath.

Before anyone hurls abuse at me, I'd like to say that after all this fiasco I plan on being involved in the Party Working Group in the future, and I intend on going to Sleaze this year.
hoping it works, but doubting it will - Sun 7 Aug 2005 21:51:04 Replies: 1, add

You don't have to see an official press release to know whats going on. You just have to know the right people, and clearly a LOT of the "RIGHT" people post on this board
- Sun 7 Aug 2005 22:26:31 Replies: 1, add
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

let me just add this... I am a established Syd gay dj. I was really looking forward to applying for Sleaze this year. But, I did not even get to submit a EOI. Why, because they changed the date and I was never forwarded the information. I didn't look in the papers because I already had "official" information from Mardi Gras.

Last week, I got set to email my EOI only to find the whole process was already finished and myself (and other prominent djs) who were working off the original information simply have to lump it.

very uncool new mardi gras.

this is one very disappionted dj.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 01:35:01 Replies: add

Yes they are a community organisation but that does not mean they have a free pass card to be unprofessional. It has nothing to do with ego or how good a dj is. Fact is most djs just want opportunity to be judged fairly. Musical programming means that even the best dj iin the world might not be appropriate for the event they are trying to create. believe me, rejection is not the issue, the issue is that the selection administration process is taxing and upsetting on a professional level. Not surprising there are DJ's who now refuse to work with mardi gras. And that, is sad.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 02:15:09 Replies: add

While I am only new to the scene and haven't experienced 'the good old days' I don't think this gives anyone a reason t slag DJ's. For as many that don't like a particular DJ or set there will be equal if not more than do.

DJ's and NMG please disregard all this whining, moaning and outright rudeness. I for one will be there having a great time.

Those who are complaining.... when a DJ has a set that you are not enjoying - leave the dance floor and socialise. Parties are great for that.

See you at Sleaze. I'll be the one having a great time.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 07:25:38 Replies: add

What else... Oh yeah, Ruby is the right choice for the Hordern (as it's a trance room) and the other 4 DJs aren't.. What the F!@#! 20% of the DJs are more appropriate than 80%. Very amusing comment. By the way honey, the Hordern has only been trance in the last few years when many venues allowed for a dedicated space. There are only two spaces this party (to ensure good profit margins to financially secure our Mardi Gras). As such, when there are only two, the Hordern has traditionally been a lot darker. This time is will start in Vocal Trance and end in darker - sounds like great use of the space to me.

Finally, Luke and Jake can't work together... That's got to be one of the most ridiculous statements of this Wall ever.

Ho hum, it's Monday. Can't wait for the fish to bite.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 11:58:41 Replies: 1, add

The trance lovers who want their floaty fluff will find it in the RHI.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 12:11:47 Replies: 1, add

But I don't quite get your Luke and Jake can't work together comment. We work together all the time - if not in a back 2 back scenario, then at least playing similar styles at the same event). He's one of my best friends. We share a lot of the same taste in music (trance, commercial, tribal, funky house, progressive, chunky beats). We both think it is going to be a hoot and we think we will work really well together. Why don't you? (And if you say because he plays trance and I play commercial, I will vomit on you everday for a week.)

If you think of something like QN, where I opened and Luke followed, we are playing at different times of the night to a different vibe on the dancefloor. Obviously our styles are going to be different. If you compare what Luke plays on a Sunday at Arq to what I play on a saturday, again, it is going to be different because the club has promoted these two nights as two different styles.

Just because trance isn't the style I play most and tribal pop and house aren't the styles that Luke plays most doesn't mean that we don't like and play other styles.

Have faith in our collective 20 years of experience that, together, we will deliver a great blend of the styles that we both love.
www.jakekilby.com - Mon 8 Aug 2005 12:43:18 Replies: add

Its different, I don't know why your slagging it off? Welcome change people.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 13:03:34 Replies: 1, add

I was refering to the comments that Aiden wrote stating that you couldn't do it.

It was a compliment to you two, not criticism. It was criticism against the 'most ridiculous' suggestion that it wouldn't work.
Ho hum, it's Monday - And they all bite - Mon 8 Aug 2005 13:58:17 Replies: 1, add

It's not a Toybox party after Sleaze anyway. It's a new party concept called Luminere presented by the Toybox Team.

Who knows what the musical direction will be until the DJs are announced.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 14:02:00 Replies: 1, 2, add

I think that your arguing for arguments sake.
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 15:54:12 Replies: add

a rose by any other......
over it - Mon 8 Aug 2005 16:56:21 Replies: add

www.jakekilby.com - Mon 8 Aug 2005 18:27:48

As a result, I think that there will be a lot of trance fans who'll be going to the recoveries rather than Sleaze. Hopefully NMG can make up the numbers with tribal house lovers....
Trance Boy - Mon 8 Aug 2005 18:41:57 Replies: 1, 2, add

I'm sure they will.
Trance vs Tribal - [ tvt ] - Mon 8 Aug 2005 18:49:34 Replies: add

It's been such a bitchfest I'll be surprised if the dj's aren't pelted with eggs at Sleaze!.

(joking of course - the gate nazi's wont allow eggs in the place)
- Mon 8 Aug 2005 19:50:13 Replies: add

I'm sure a lot of DJs are successful in their own way.
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- Mon 8 Aug 2005 19:53:54 Replies: add

Spit spit hissss hisssssss
Ha ha ha ha ha ha - Mon 8 Aug 2005 21:02:18 Replies: add

why would u ask that?
ssex maniac - Mon 8 Aug 2005 23:17:17 Replies: add

This Sleaze doesn't need to be loosing a bigger market (trance fans) to a smaller market (tribal fans), NMG needs this to make money, somehow I don't think there are enough gay tribal fans to fill a 7000 capacity venue like the Hordern....might wanna think about that

If this Sleaze fails to get the numbers then NMG is in a very nasty position, if it gets the numbers but turns out to be a lemon of a night (for lots of people) then Sleaze will be unlikely to continue, certainly in its current format anyway.

I find the comments about Sleaze not trying to compete with the Toybox teams production, because that's probably a trance party, to be rediculous, Sleaze is on before and if they have trouble competing then why have a party with a less popular music style overall, in 2 far larger venues?

As for the comments about moving around the halls, I do move around the halls, however I'd like to be able to know if I go into one hall what style of music I can expect, without having to memorize the DJ timetable and remember it while impaired. Not to mention the downsides to having a ton of lasers in the Hordern but not in the RHI if the RHI will have trance.

Then there's the fact that the RHI is not sound-proofed properly, meaning the music is played with less volume, that's workable for most music styles, especially house, but not trance.

If this Sleaze is a disappointment then I'll be sticking to the MG party, Homesexual, Toybox and the like, the party working group has been given to much scope for to long, perhaps a PROFFESSIONAL production team is something for the NMG Board to look at.

I've given more of my time to NMG this year than almost everyone else posting on this board, however, just because I've supported them it doesn't mean I won't point out mistakes when I see them.

Everything I have said is constructive critism, I could have said it's crap and given no reasons, but I've given reasons, and as such, ways the errors can be fixed.

Yes I'm a trance fan first and foremost, however I like tribal, house, camp anthems and some dirtier styles, but let's face it people, this is a dance party, not a night at the Phoenix, as such the music should suit the occasion.
hoping it works, but doubting it will - Mon 8 Aug 2005 23:17:27 Replies: add

adamx - Tue 9 Aug 2005 00:09:58

Perhaps you have selective memory. I've played Sleaze '98,'99,'00,'01, & '02 and played predominately trance at all of 'em. Of course a label like ‘trance’ is very subjective – I know a lot of gay boys that consider anything without lyrics to be ‘trance’ lol
www.lukeleal.com - back online after minor technical difficulties! - Tue 9 Aug 2005 02:08:19 Replies: 1, add

I simply can't keep track of things without countdownboy.

It's driving me nuts arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- Tue 9 Aug 2005 09:07:48 Replies: 1, add

How about identifying yourself? Your comments are sooooo totally ignored because you don't.
- Tue 9 Aug 2005 09:20:44 Replies: add

What syle of music are you planning on playing at this years Sleaze? I think I might be one of the "gay boys that consider anything without lyrics to be ‘trance’" as not being expert in differing music styles my labelling isn't always accurate; but I know what I enjoy -music with lot's of energy, a good beat, and yeah I like the tracks with words!!
AJ - Tue 9 Aug 2005 13:53:11 Replies: add

Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase indulge me.
View from above - Tue 9 Aug 2005 14:48:26 Replies: 1, 2, add

Armin van Buuren was quoted in The Scene magazine as saying that all dance music is Trance. That's where all the styles evolved from in the second wave of dance music. If what he says is true, then Tribal is Trance and Trance is Tribal.
303 acid machie - much respect - Tue 9 Aug 2005 16:58:27 Replies: add

Jake & I will start talking specifics (and co-ordinating with the others) once I'm back from my US trip in Sept & it's closer to the event. But I'm thinking uplifting, energetic and lotsa, lotsa vocals without getting too cheesy. If you've been to ARQ upstairs before 3am on a Sunday night, think that sort of feel. Not too housey, not too trancey but juuuuust right

Give the people want they want but with a Kilby/Leal twist!
www.lukeleal.com - lukeleal.com back online - Tue 9 Aug 2005 17:51:13 Replies: 1, 2, add

No, no no .....please don't have podiums. They're fun I guess for show-offs but they really destroy feelings of intimacy on the dancefloor. There's nothing worse than having someone stare down at you.
Paul Diamondo - Tue 9 Aug 2005 19:16:10 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

please please just a few in each hall-small to medium size
view from below is good too! - Tue 9 Aug 2005 19:46:58 Replies: add

fat,funky,chunky and spunky with a driving bass will make it just ace

lotsa meat on tha bone-gets me in tha zone

looking forward so much to sleaze-indulge me please
rock thy world - Tue 9 Aug 2005 19:54:46 Replies: add

Yawn - Tue 9 Aug 2005 20:03:41

they're big rooms honey-dont dance next to one if u dont like em

i say bringem on in my opinion it breaks up the sea of punters and they can provide some great laughs and some great perving from both sides
podium poser - Tue 9 Aug 2005 23:08:16 Replies: add

Now THAT'S enough to warm the heart, and put a smile on the face of even the most jaded party boy!

I'm not sure if the official line up and set times in each hall have been announced yet, but for me, starting the night with Ruby, and progressing to Messrs Kilby and Leal, followed by Dan Murphy, sounds like just the ticket for a great night!

Oh, and while I would never pretend to match the talents of Countdown Boy, as at today there are 52 days to go until Sleaze Sinsuality!

Bring it on, baby!

jeffgg - 52 . . . 51 . . . 50 . . . - Wed 10 Aug 2005 06:23:12 Replies: add

You can hear her play every Sunday at Deckbar, & that music just DOES NOT SUIT RHI.

Also, I'm very concerned that her straight 'fans' at places like Home on a Friday will only attract a larger straight crowd to Sleaze.

Oh well, it looks like NMG have f*cked it up again & none of my crowd will be going this year...
- Wed 10 Aug 2005 09:35:07 Replies: 1, add
This message is unnecessarily nasty.

So you and "your crowd" are not going because you don't like one dj? Good one.
- Wed 10 Aug 2005 10:00:33 Replies: add

I was the one that started the fuss about Kate not being appropriate for the RHI but even I can not understand the sentiment of this posters comments. Just because I KNOW Kate wont be playing RHI appropriate music doesn't mean to say I wont be going to the party. To say you and your mates arent going on the strength of one DJ's selection is just plain idiotic. I suggest the poster should re-think the situation and spend the period where Kate is playing the RHI doing different things like catching up with mates , having a chat , checking out the Hordern , looking around , cruise the toilets even ! While Kate's playing I'll even meet you in the toliets

There's plenty to do at a dance party !!!
Aiden - Wed 10 Aug 2005 10:37:04 Replies: 1, add

Whilst I freely admit an inclination to podium posing I never look "down" at anyone except when perving and flirting of course.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesa indugle me (and others NMG!)
View from above - Wed 10 Aug 2005 12:42:08 Replies: add

Sydneysiders - spoilt for choice and therefor can't see the forest for the trees.
Axe Man - Wed 10 Aug 2005 13:09:30 Replies: 1, add

Funky house/disco
Progressive
Trance
Tribal
Commercial/Divas
- Wed 10 Aug 2005 14:40:07 Replies: add

Oh gawd! Let's hope the fact that an individual willingly chooses to dance on one, and may potentially be under the influence of some type of substance (legal or other) would negate the ability for any such action to make it through the courts...don't want the potential for any such action spoiling any of our fun.

Yes please to smallish podiums at Sleaze!
- Wed 10 Aug 2005 16:15:12 Replies: 1, add

Evil Twin - Wed 10 Aug 2005 16:52:37

bring on the podiums-yes small is best
yes they definately add another dimension-although im not small they are great for height challenged people who otherwise drown in the sea of bodies
bring em on again i say-im putting some work into my outfit and i want to show it off on the podiums
can anyone from NMG tell us something in regards to this
podium poser - Wed 10 Aug 2005 19:57:47 Replies: 1, add

Oh well, it looks like NMG have f*cked it up again & none of my crowd will be going this year......

We dont want people with you're attitude there anyway !

I know we shouldnt bag people but truly that has to be one
of the saddest posts in a long time......yes you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine.

And the same goes for others bashers of DJ's - why ? cause there are 9 others working the night so there are choices.

I dont think I've been to a single party where I liked all the DJ's. You move around , sit it out, f*** it out, till the next one comes on.

Podiums - yes they look great from the bleachers but I hate em when they are in the middle of the dance floor as it breaks up that awesome feeling when you're dancing and you look out over the crowd. Also I always lose friends
but you can have them on the sides of the dance floor or maybe in each 4 corners of the dance floor ?
Go Go cages would be a hoot !
Just busting - Wed 10 Aug 2005 20:44:25 Replies: add

I love dance parties....well till I come down as the sun comes up anyway.
Trashbag - Wed 10 Aug 2005 20:52:51 Replies: add

I need my hit of 80's and 90's after the last 3 NMG parties. Lets hope Retro comes back for MG 06 PLEASE
- Wed 10 Aug 2005 22:33:36 Replies: add

OK who out of the Sleaze line-up is a "newer DJ"? All are well established names with no real up and comers amongst them. It may be their first time at Sleaze, but it doesn't make them new.
- Thu 11 Aug 2005 07:43:17 Replies: add

As for the litigation debate - couldn't agree with you more - and really we currently endure the licencing police, freaked out fox studio staff, the Centential Park noise lobby ......um I think we can risk a break or two for a bit of podium action and the spectacle of others on them.

See you on the podiums
Prissy - Thu 11 Aug 2005 10:02:47 Replies: add

just top it off with a few PODIUMS YEAH!
- Thu 11 Aug 2005 20:46:17 Replies: add

Personally I will gladly suffer less lighting just so we
can have wooden dance floors.
PLEASE - Fri 12 Aug 2005 20:39:02 Replies: 1, 2, add

whilst the lighting and sound in the hordern for BQN was second to none, when the 2 trillion MW lights were on it was a lil disappointing looking down at the concrete floor.

Rather have just 1 trillion MW, and a springy dance surface for Sleaze.
- Fri 12 Aug 2005 23:00:08 Replies: add

Discard shows if you must....

Thanks, Brad Wright.
- Sat 13 Aug 2005 16:18:42 Replies: 1, 2, add

Lil - luscious in leather - Sat 13 Aug 2005 18:29:11

Will see what I can do for you all!
Brad W - www.lightwright.com.au - Sun 14 Aug 2005 01:16:46 Replies: add

Everyone having a good time with no time to bitch and moan
Sounds of silence - Sun 14 Aug 2005 16:18:56 Replies: add

These toilets must have on and off switches. Surely its a simple matter of flicking bthe switch and then smashing the switch with a hammer. Sounds like a plan
- Sun 14 Aug 2005 20:26:19 Replies: add

If some people don't like what the DJs play, I suggest that they take up DJing and perform at big parties themselves and stop WHINGING!

DJ Wannabe
- Mon 15 Aug 2005 21:28:46 Replies: add

"What used to be Emerald City
Is now Crystal Town"
- Tue 16 Aug 2005 10:33:51 Replies: add

Also, I believe that ppl aren't doing it in clubs, or am I wrong? I'm aware of the issue, and have absorbed websites like www.lifeormeth.com, and would like to hear if ppl that are out on a regular basis have seen it decrease due to education on its effects etc. Or are people now just doing it at home etc. instead of 'going out' on it.
intrigued - Tue 16 Aug 2005 12:45:53 Replies: add

I assure you the song Return to Oz is about crystal meth, and the Scissor Sisters have spoken about it many times.

"To return to Oz, we fled the world with smiles and clenching jaws
Please help me friend from coming down
I've lost my place and now it can't be found"
- Tue 16 Aug 2005 14:44:03 Replies: add

DISGUSTING...
- Tue 16 Aug 2005 15:04:06 Replies: 1, add

Poor pet! his'll make you feel better:

1.Turn on SBS World News at 6:30pm.

2.Sit, watch & absorb for full broadcast.

3.If you still think a lack of dancefloor at a party is DISGUSTING then perhaps it's time for your perspective pill.
- Tue 16 Aug 2005 17:28:18 Replies: add

Boom tish!

So is this why some people in our community can't move beyond trance?
- Wed 17 Aug 2005 08:51:37 Replies: add

NICELY SAID.
- Wed 17 Aug 2005 14:41:23 Replies: add

And in reply to " - Tue 16 Aug 2005 17:28:18 "
The name of the wall is the Sleaze Ball Wall so guess what gets discussed here ? SLEAZE BALL not politics not world events but SLEAZE BALL......... its you who maybe should take a deep breath and think before you look down your snotty nose and think we're a bunch of brainless morons on here. Its you who needs a pill ! If someone posted about Sleaze Ball on the World Events Wall then you have every
right to slag them, otherwise piss off and let us have our fun
Geez Louise - Wed 17 Aug 2005 18:54:18 Replies: 1, add

It is that FEELING that we have been used to as part of the overall experience and the price of admission.

I'm just a little annoyed that we are being castigated like norty shcool kids or whingers, just because we insist that this be retained.

When you're used to Arnotts Scotch Fingers, its very hard to eat No Frills.
- Wed 17 Aug 2005 21:03:54 Replies: add

Please. Move. On.
- Thu 18 Aug 2005 04:42:43 Replies: add

In fact, dancing on concrete gives a deaf person no vibration whatsoever from the bottom half of their bodies and can make the experience (to some) a total waste of time and energy.

However, a wooden dancefloor allows a deaf person to "feel" the music not only from the speakers but from the floor.

To a deaf person having wooden dancefloors at a dance party is the difference between "feeling" their music in mono or stereo.
what did you say ? - Thu 18 Aug 2005 08:28:10 Replies: add

But you say 'ToMATo' and I say 'ToMARto', so let's just call the whole thing off.
- Thu 18 Aug 2005 09:19:31 Replies: 1, add

WHAT ????

Has SLEAZE BALL been "CALLED OFF" ?

Gee , I better get Toybox tickets instead
- Thu 18 Aug 2005 09:46:08 Replies: add

I liken New Mardi Gras to the Borg - They all come together like one entity and all speak the same lingo without ever actually saying anything of note. Looks like our dear Brad has just joined the dark side
- Thu 18 Aug 2005 17:01:30 Replies: 1, add

Bring it on........ - Thu 18 Aug 2005 18:42:10

Brad W - www.lightwright.com.au - Thu 18 Aug 2005 21:02:44

Normally party production jobs are for Sleaze & mardi Gras. So will you be in charge for MG 06 as well ?
- Fri 19 Aug 2005 08:13:57 Replies: add

Head down bum up Brad...so it's all right on the night.

Love ya work!
Brad & Sleaze lover - Fri 19 Aug 2005 09:41:54 Replies: add

EXACTLY... The NMG Muzzle is back in force. Its like a childish little secret society in my opinion
- Fri 19 Aug 2005 14:32:30 Replies: 1, add

wtf??? you've been told how it's a huge part of the experience yet you sound like a defiant smoker "get stuffed ya ain't gett'n no dance floor and I'm lighting up right under ya nose"
- Fri 19 Aug 2005 17:50:19 Replies: add

If Brad wishes to post on this board then he can. There is no mardi Gras Muzzle.
- Sat 20 Aug 2005 17:21:56 Replies: add

Oh yeah rite , we REALLY believe you.
Muzzletoff - Sat 20 Aug 2005 19:44:39 Replies: add

BITCH BITCH BITCH - DOES GAY MEAN BITCH? I THINK SO!!!! \
SNAP OUT OF IT YOU LOOSERS.
Jack - Sun 21 Aug 2005 00:29:20 Replies: 1, add

NMG have done a great job in programing Kate as the closing DJ in the RHI. The whole idea of different rooms is to suit the different styles of music and tastes. Do not forget that this is a community event and NGM are satisfying the tastes of our whole community, not just trance fans. Long live HOUSE!
- Sun 21 Aug 2005 00:59:17 Replies: add

Two posts within 30 minutes of each other on a topic that died off nearly 2 weeks ago. Couldnt you have said what you wanted to say in one post ?

And as for the comment "NMG have done a great job in programing Kate as the closing DJ in the RHI."

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Murphy is closing the RHI
- Sun 21 Aug 2005 10:12:49 Replies: 1, add

Then the announcer says rather emptyingly - "Well we can't have a launch without a countdown"

Same applies to Sleaze Ball. We CANT have a Sleaze Ball without a countdown. So where are you countdownboy ?

WE didn't give you permission to go missing. What's wrong ?
- Sun 21 Aug 2005 15:11:54 Replies: 1, add

And for those ppl saying "Kate is closing the RHI" or Brad is, I picture them with a bunch of keys locking the doors LOL
- Sun 21 Aug 2005 15:49:33 Replies: 1, add

As far as being "muzzled", I don think so. I'm bound, and so is everyone else that works or volunteers for NMG, by the code of conduct. Most companies have a code of conduct. There is nothing new about it.
Brad W - www.lightwright.com.au - Sun 21 Aug 2005 16:10:40 Replies: 1, add

www.lightwright.com.au
www.aztechevents.com.au
Brad W - Sun 21 Aug 2005 23:31:24 Replies: 1, add

I'd really like to hear Bjork's Big Time Sensuality at Sleaze. So appropriate... and so going to make my night!

Fave DJ to play it -- Mandy, Feisty or Sveta at the Hordern.

Please, girls, if you are reading this! Thanks....
R - Mon 22 Aug 2005 19:03:15 Replies: add

Your work on Big Queer Nation was utterly fantastic. (cancelled dance floor aside) :D
- Mon 22 Aug 2005 20:06:02 Replies: add

could well be that the silense is mirrored in the RHI and Hordern on the 1st October.

Unlike last year, I haven't heard anyone mention this year's Sleaze (or Luminere for that matter).
- Thu 25 Aug 2005 19:27:16 Replies: add

Adamx - Thu 25 Aug 2005 19:32:04

(Looks like the onus is on us to count this one down!)
Adamx - Thu 25 Aug 2005 19:35:41 Replies: 1, add

I for one hope that you guys all get behind the party this year. We have a great dedicated team and lots of new fresh ideas.
Brad W - www.lightwright.com.au - Thu 25 Aug 2005 22:28:13 Replies: add

Very stylish, camp, intelligent, funny!

Well done!
- Fri 26 Aug 2005 08:16:00 Replies: add

Definitely doing Sleaze this year. I love my big gay dance parties.
Evil Twin - Fri 26 Aug 2005 10:51:15 Replies: add

Evil Twin - Fri 26 Aug 2005 15:20:52

: )
- Fri 26 Aug 2005 17:22:15 Replies: add

Where is everyone? Where is the usual pre-party enthusiasm?

With 5 weeks to go has anybody decided what to wear yet? Who's going to dress in theme?
- Sat 27 Aug 2005 12:22:04 Replies: 1, add

adamx - Sat 27 Aug 2005 16:55:33

remember last sleaze? there's your answer.
- Sat 27 Aug 2005 21:10:51 Replies: 1, add

We all got tired of desperately trying to ensure a good party (hence the fiery tone of the wall and the passion of the postings).

in the end it was ignored. It was also ignored at Mardi Gras.

So the end result is everybody doing what they warned they would do - vote with their feet. So invariably we are planning on doing other things on that weekend and don't have any need to beg NMG to fix any problems, nor talk about what we'll be wearing.

I think they even lost countdownboy for good.

Tell me I'm wrong but first re-read the post sleaze comments from 2004 and post-Mardi Gras comments from earlier this year and see what we all said. Something along the lines of 'never again' and 'there won't be a next time'.

And I think the extremely low BQN turnout proves it.
- Sat 27 Aug 2005 22:42:20 Replies: 1, add

Sleaze Graffiti Wall 2005 up to 28/07: 24,788
Sleaze Graffiti Wall 2004 up to 28/07: 54,657 And halfway through the second wall

34 Days to Sleaze... lets get excited and get this word count up!
Adamx - Sun 28 Aug 2005 21:01:41 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

I have been to parties all over the world and nothing comes close to our Sleaze or Mardi Gras.

The sense of community, of belonging and believing is just majestic. It is too wonderful.

For one night - we
care, we love and we party.

It is only twice a year - the rest of the year we sit and ponder; the Mardi Gras that has been and the Sleaze that is coming- BRING IT ON!!!!!

To everyone that is working on the party - A BIG THANKYOU. Will see you on the dance floor.
cuonthedancefloor - Sun 28 Aug 2005 21:30:44 Replies: 1, add

Well that says it all.

Fact - There is only 45.3% interest in Sleaze this year compared to last year.

People just dont want to give this mob at Petersham anymore chances. There's only so many bridges you can burn before people turn their backs away from you. Countdownboy's very noticeable absense is surely a testement to this fact. RIP the big space dance party.
- Sun 28 Aug 2005 22:35:23 Replies: 1, 2, 3, 4, add

May she rest in peace.

To the 20 year veteran, nothing to say except try and wear a big costume to fill the empty spaces in the RHI and Hordern.
- Mon 29 Aug 2005 00:00:39 Replies: add

So far that means an average of 828.14 words a day last year and 784.38 for this year (not guaranteeing the maths after midnight on a monday night though...)

If you take into account Countdownboy's absence, that probably works out about even.

Personally, so far I know of 3 people who didn't go to Sleaze last year but have already bought tickets this year (including 2 coming from OS), and another 4 or 5 from Melb currently getting their act together to book.
CeeJay - Mon 29 Aug 2005 00:24:39 Replies: add

I'll pay my $5 & head to the Pheonix....
- Mon 29 Aug 2005 12:39:11 Replies: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, add

Still I'm going to have a look at least - with the knowledge of the people involved in this party it is worth one last punt.

So what else is on offer apart from Toy box. Seems to me everthing is drying up.
- Mon 29 Aug 2005 14:25:45 Replies: add

can go to the phoenix any old time
- Mon 29 Aug 2005 19:29:50 Replies: add

It was the Mardi Gras we thought we'd never have and ironically the 25th Anniversary, the Silver Jubilee!Despite an open ticketing policy, for the first time in years from late January the party was essentially gay with an immense amount of community goodwill including free services from DJs and performers. A kind of magic took flight.

This energy and sense of passionate urgency continued in part to Sleaze 2003 but ended there. Mardi Gras 2004 was judged Ok to mediocre and the consensus on Sleaze 2004 was downright appalling. (We Will Rock You as an Opening Show???? - Shocking.) Additionally the open ticketing policy really started to have an effect on many levels.

2005 was deemed a huge success and "back on track" but only because it was way over budget as we found out after the fact which in turn created a substantial loss for the organisation and a very, very bitter AGM.

Which brings us to Sleaze 2005. It is big ask to put the onus on the average punter that is essentially after a good time which is a risk given all the factors in motion especially when we know Sleaze would be working to a very tight budget.

HOWEVER - Without a doubt those involved and producing this party have a wealth of experience, creativity and passion for their craft and the community, couple this with the dire situation outlined above and it seems to me combined they are explosive ingredients to make a sensational party which is irresitible.

Magic may take flight again.
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 10:47:56 Replies: 1, 2, add
This is the opinion of the poster.

How to have a good party: go along with some mates and expect to have fun. and you will!

Fullstop
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 13:13:14 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

agreed - no bad transitions. but tricks should be seen heard and bragged about. otherwise we should all stay at home. what's the point of getting a nice trick down if no one knows you're doing it? let it be heard i say!
303 acid machine - Tue 30 Aug 2005 13:25:05 Replies: 1, add

The 2003 Sleaze was definitely much better than the 2004 Sleaze. In fact, if I remember correctly, people were raving on about how good the 2003 party was for weeks afterwards on Pinkboard, despite the lack of a wooden dancefloor in the Horden!!!

Anyhow, it'd be interesting to know how ticket sales are going for this year's Sleaze. Hopefully all of those tribal lovers are coming out of the woodwork and snapping up the tickets.... :p
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 17:50:07 Replies: add

Also, I have not seen any difference because of the open ticketing policy.

The main problem with the last 2 parties has been the sound levels in the RHI. I understand that this is being addressed properly this time.
Arti - Tue 30 Aug 2005 18:58:20 Replies: 1, 2, add

Fingers crossed there is a wooden dance floor in place for both Halls though
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 19:18:19 Replies: 1, add

Arti I hope that you're right! I love the RHI and have found the sound issues very disapointing.

I agree with the other poster(s) who suggested going with a good group of friends who you have fun with -makes all the difference from my perspective.
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 21:31:23 Replies: add

(This message will self destruct!!)
- Tue 30 Aug 2005 23:18:20 Replies: add

Sorry, I strongly disagree.

The fact is, these events could be bigger than they are.

I truely believe there is more exceptance of gay and lesbian life style (just look at tv for eg)
I think the real point to be made is -
we as a community - we haven't been creatively catering ie.(keeping people 'happy' and 'interested' in going to these events)

The people who are attending, are going to vote GAY with there feet - and 'they' are the people who will continue to go.
unfortunately, not because it was, or has been - for a long time, an amazing party.
- Wed 31 Aug 2005 12:04:01 Replies: 1, add

DJs and production values will ebb and flow but why the parties exist will always be amazing.
- Wed 31 Aug 2005 14:00:51 Replies: 1, add

So, where is the love?!
- Wed 31 Aug 2005 16:31:37 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

I think the last few parties have been quite creative. The dance party scene was huge in late 80/90's and the gay community were leaders. The scene has just fragmented as now we have so many styles . I doubt we would ever get the parties up the 20,000's again.
C'mon Sleaze....I'm busting - Wed 31 Aug 2005 20:27:15 Replies: add

I don't always agree with some dj and theming choices, however I'm glad I have the opportunity to disagree, and the choice to go elsewhere....

Yes some parties are better than others, however not every party was better 10+ years ago, in fact the sound/production/dj standard was probably far lower back then.

Fortunately I'm only just in the twink age range (though I'm not a twink and have been on the scene awhile) so MY feet and knees won't suffer to much on concrete, but for those older folks then there are ways you can avoid it, eg different venue at a party, more drugs to numb you and practical shoes, lord knows I don't see many people wearing them at dance parties or clubs, health before style people, limping in 10yrs won't be to stylish

Just be glad gay parties are of such a high standard and are so numerous, if one doesn't do it for you then go to a different one, don't keep going back for more and then bitch. There is a party for everyone, just find what you like and enjoy it, I'd rather have 1 fabulous night out instead of 10 average ones.
Won't be at Sleaze but will be at MG - Wed 31 Aug 2005 21:29:33 Replies: 1, 2, add

I still have no idea what to wear though.
Arti - Wed 31 Aug 2005 21:40:03 Replies: 1, add

Summer is on the way and winter is officialy Gooooooooone !

Woo Hoo !!!
- Thu 1 Sep 2005 00:18:40 Replies: add

I agree with a couple of your points but certainly not all. For me the wooden dance floor is something I enjoy, it is a much more comfortable dance surface, regardless of age!

Regarding earlier dance parties such as those during the mid 1990's, I guess unless you have attended both the parties of those years plus those now, you can't really comment on which were/are better...Many of us have attended during both periods and a whole range of factors determine how an individual rates a party, not just age. Prior experience, particularly when it has been especially positive (or on the flipside, negative) is likely to colour future impressions of a given event. It is quite natural to compare between experiences!

Like most others I have favourite party memories, parties I rate as having been 'the best so far' from my experience but that doesn't mean that there can't or won't be better still to come!
- Not counting down just yet but looking forward to October 1 - Thu 1 Sep 2005 09:00:55 Replies: 1, add

End of story
I'll be back when I hear good reports(I'm still waiting)
$119 is a lot of money for a gamble.
Mark D - Thu 1 Sep 2005 13:22:07 Replies: add

At 5pm last night (end of early bird) i purchased ticket number 2605. Thats only 1/2 the hordern filled so far... anyone else have a higher number?
Adamx - Thu 1 Sep 2005 13:38:32 Replies: 1, add

The atmosphere is electric, excitement fills the air and I rock til I drop, endulge me!
NEWBIE - Thu 1 Sep 2005 15:09:51 Replies: add

That is spot on!
I love the 'bounce' to the wooden floors! It is always made even better by people dancing nice and hard with lot's of energy. Really helps to add to the feel of the night. You can feel the energy not only all around you but also under your feet.

Concrete just can't offer that.
- Thu 1 Sep 2005 21:41:57 Replies: 1, 2, add

Dancing on the Hordern floor is like boogeying on the footpath in Oxford St.

By the way, 5pm was not the end of "early bird". I bought 2 tickets online from ticketek at 11pm.

Now don't let anyone tell you the ticketek number is not the number of tickets sold. It is. Even if an outlet sells tix from a shoe box, they have been issued and numbered by Ticketek and are already incorporated into the 2,500 count.
- Thu 1 Sep 2005 22:46:25 Replies: add

The two times I danced on concrete floors at the Horden, not so much my feet but my lower back was killing me the next day.

I have a feeling we will have wooden floors this time.....after Big Concrete Nation (which was great btw, bar the floor)....hope so!

I'll be there!!
- Fri 2 Sep 2005 00:48:12 Replies: 1, add

It's been confirmed ...a women's only place!!!!
- Fri 2 Sep 2005 17:06:01 Replies: add

can we sue for fraud?
- Sat 3 Sep 2005 01:26:51 Replies: add

And to " - Fri 2 Sep 2005 14:26:37 "
thats OK you can stay confused. There are those amongst us who know what we want/like so no need for sarcasm should we
post our preferences !
Dance parties tend to be a much longer night.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Sat 3 Sep 2005 11:52:51 Replies: add

New Mardi Gras Chairman Marcus Bourget has been quoted as saying he is delighted that New Mardi Gras has found a way to put the sex back into our dance parties and that they have found a place for it to happen that is within such close proximity of the actual party. They feel sure that party goers will not be put off with the nearly 1km walk citing the music being installed in the tunnel every 100 metres as a way to keeping all punters happy whilst they make their way to the designated area for sex.

As usual the stuffy Moore Park residence are up in arms over this concept and will be appealing this decision to any court they can whinge and moan to.

More details as they come to hand.......
Gossip queen - Mon 5 Sep 2005 00:12:35 Replies: 1, add

Sounds like the lie about Kylie and the Coddonwealth Gaymes.
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 01:02:36 Replies: add

It doesn't seem to matter if the act is appropriate or not to do a show at a gay dance party but every year we hear the rumours of how New Mardi Gras has approached the management of that act to play at the party. So here we are again with Black Eyed Peas. How silly !

I suppose next year when Pavarotti does a special concert tour of Sydney at Mardi Gras time we'll get the news here on Pinkboard that he is booked to belt out a few numbers in the middle of the RHI at three in the morning !

WAKE UP people !
Aiden - Mon 5 Sep 2005 09:39:11 Replies: add

Panther - Mon 5 Sep 2005 10:03:59

I would love to speak with someone who attended the first parties. I am writing a story on Sleaze history. Any contributions would be much appreciated.

My email is deepika.mistry@gmail.com
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 10:19:40 Replies: add

David Morales?

Roger Sanchez?
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 14:00:01 Replies: add

and their male friends ! - Mon 5 Sep 2005 19:32:18

Maybe the original post from 2004 WAS my own work. Your presumption was disgraceful.
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 20:52:35 Replies: 1, add

Adamx - Mon 5 Sep 2005 21:04:10

Woohoo to that one if it's correct!!
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 22:24:42 Replies: add

And to all the old "In my day we were greatful to 'ave dirt floor 'n danced in our bare feet IF WE WERE LOOKAYE" wowsers... I fart in your general direction.
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 23:02:45 Replies: add

When it comes to dance parties and the people that put these events on a persons "word" isn't worth a brass razoo. I wanna see it here in writing - C'mon Mr Wright - Tell us here definitively - Is the wooden dance floor a a definitive yes for BOTH RHI & Hordern ?

Not holding my breathe for a reply.
- Mon 5 Sep 2005 23:26:05 Replies: 1, 2, add

Most of the tickets are sold in the last 2 weeks before the party, so until that time all projections of sales are estimates. If you can't be certain how much you are going to make, then you can't be certain how much you can spend.

Imagine this: A week before the party you are asked to pull $10,000 out of the budget because ticket sales are significantly below projection. At this stage you can't close a hall because the DJs are booked and the hall is advertised. You can't cancel any shows, because all the costumes are made and contracts signed. You can't reduce audio. You can reduce lighting a bit, but that is only 2 or 3 thousand dollars worth. You can remove some seating. You can pull out a laser. You can cut a few other small things. There is not much that can be removed because the budget is already tight.

A dance floor costs over $10,000 for one hall. That is around 100 tickets or 1% of ticket sales. That is how close the budget usually is.

If we want to ensure that the dance floor is there then we all will need to make sure that the tickets get bought.

No, I am not part of the Party Working Group for this party, but I have been in the past. I have no idea how the current party is progressing: this is all from my previous experiences.
- Tue 6 Sep 2005 08:23:39 Replies: add

It is great to see that they are giving Sleaze a helping promotional hand and you could win the following great prize:
- Two Tickets to Sleaze 2005
- Four guest bar passes for Sleaze 2005
- Behind the Scenes Tour
- Opportunity to participate in a show at Sleaze

BUT... every Tom, Dick and Harry is getting the e-mail... and no where on the e-mail or on the Ticketek web page does it refer to Sleaze as a Gay & Lesbian event... but instead we are simply refered to as "fun lovers" as in the following line...

"A fixture in the Sydney annual party calendar, thousands of fun lovers have enjoyed many a Sleaze."

Here come the straight people and teeny boppers!!!
My ticketek - http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=SLEAZEBA05 - Tue 6 Sep 2005 10:17:21 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

Adamx - Tue 6 Sep 2005 11:36:42

I know the party needs to sell out for Mardi Gras to survive but at what price?
A sell out is sell out by another name - Tue 6 Sep 2005 12:07:53 Replies: 1, add

One wonders what the motives are of posters here that present such selective partial-truths to undermine their targets? Could this be an attempt to stimulate the separatist discussion about our straight friends being excluded from our events.

Moving right along .....
18+ Teeny-boppers = Twinks! - Twinks make nice pets! - Tue 6 Sep 2005 14:17:31 Replies: 1, add

Criticism is unless unless is constructive. I see no evidence that your criticism has been constructive.
- Tue 6 Sep 2005 15:05:28 Replies: add

My email is deepika.mistry@gmail.com
Thank you
- Tue 6 Sep 2005 15:58:30 Replies: 1, add

Or as one poster said, you 'opted-in' for the Ticketek newsletter and ticked the gay and lesbian box.

It's not sinister - this info collection by companies is one of the reason the revamped privacy laws were bought in a few years back. There is LOADS of info out there on every one of you!
A Marketer - Tue 6 Sep 2005 21:49:21 Replies: add

If you want an answer come and chat to me at Homesexual this Saturday night @ Home nightclub - im there from 9pm - 11pm for a VIP meet and great, after that I intend on staying for a few hours to chat to people and have a dance - will be one of the few times that I have danced at home nightclub in years! Failing that feel free to email me, and that goes to the wider community as well. I will endeavour to answer all questions unless they have been deemed confidential.

brad@aztechevents.com.au or brad@lightwright.com.au
Brad W - Tue 6 Sep 2005 23:45:45 Replies: add

Does his lack of interest for the first time in YEARS indicate a broader sense of community apathy for this party ? Its looks that way from my direction

Your thoughts please ?
Young & Hung - Wed 7 Sep 2005 08:56:23 Replies: 1, add

Perhaps he's got a new boyfriend and is enjoying the "distractions" a new romance brings? After all, spring is in the air!
Evil Twin - still here - Wed 7 Sep 2005 10:27:33 Replies: 1, add

Ready.......
- Wed 7 Sep 2005 15:20:29 Replies: add

The following was the offending post claiming great ticket sales:
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Re: Re: Don't Funk with my heart
At about 2 pm I bought ticket number 2519. That means in the last 3 hours of the early bird offer about 85 tickets sold. I'm told that the amount of early bird tickets sold is up on last year and this is a good sign. Hope so!
- Thu 1 Sep 2005 15:21:37 Replies: 1, add
- Wed 7 Sep 2005 20:08:59 Replies: add

Maybe Countdownboy got a life ! ( and thats not meant in a bitchy context ).
I've noticed lots of previous posters missing Trance Trance Trance for one.
I suppose like a lot of things, people just move on.
Wanna dance, bring it on - Wed 7 Sep 2005 20:18:00 Replies: add

Come on people, do we really want all those who would love to see 'NO MARDI GRAS' percieve a win in that our community couldn't run a chook raffle. That our community fall back into dark alleys and undercover venues? HELL NO!

Let's build on and improve from mistakes of the past, mistakes were made and I am sure more mistakes will be made. But Sydney without a Mardi Gras just isn't Sydney, it's about us. Let's ensure young gay people can celebrate their sexuality like we have.

Let's buy tickets now so the party can promise bigger and better things. Can't wait to see you all....
Happy Party Dude - Thu 8 Sep 2005 07:07:28 Replies: 1, add

From recent experiences in cities, even country areas, we do not need Mardi Gras to have a thriving and dare I say it private gay scene.

Mardi Gras, both the event and the organisation, is more a burden than a life blood of a dynamic culture as it once was.

A good prune will always produce more flowers. It just takes some courage to get cutting and a little patience to witness new growth.

That seems more exciting to me than another party at Fox Studios.
Rosebud - Thu 8 Sep 2005 09:24:32 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

What needs to happenen is a new seed has got to be planted.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 09:55:55 Replies: 1, 2, add

YES PLEASE!

Fox Studios killed Mardi Gras and it will never be the same, no new gadgets or savvy production can ever change that.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 10:04:29 Replies: 1, 2, add

I hope those going to Sleaze have a great night! Have fun.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 10:04:33 Replies: add

Unfortunately, public forums like this usually bring out the wingers and people who wish to spread their sour grapes. Where are all the positive people? Come on I know you are out there.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 12:20:48 Replies: 1, 2, add

Quite frankly, being a witness to such inherent apathy across the gay scene I find it very difficult to envisage another group of people scraping Mardi Gras fallout together to produce another blossoming plant that represents the GLBTQ community. So many are quick to promote negativity, however when it comes time to be active these people disappear.
More than just a party - Thu 8 Sep 2005 13:03:19 Replies: 1, add

I love the large sized parties and both Sleaze and Mardi Gras have been the biggest events I have attended over the years. I enjoy the sheer number of people, all doing their own thing and hopefully, having fun.

A happy, energetic crowd with a positive party attitude, a few lights, dance floor, and energizing music is all I ask for. I don't need decorations or shows or international DJ's or international acts to have a good time.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 13:17:21 Replies: add

I've posted this before - NEVER, EVER assume who has and who has not contributed to or continues to contribute to the community or mardi gras in these debates.

Add to the dicussion, criticise it, challenge it, partially agree with it but please telling people "get off their arses" with the superior assumption they aren't or haven't is pointless and avoids the intent of the discussion.

You, not by any means have to agree with my opinion but you a least have recognise it.
Flower Power - Thu 8 Sep 2005 13:18:17 Replies: add

The Parade, for one thing, is the most important event of the year for us as it shows our solidarity, diversity and political strength. And, the Parade alone, ignoring the infrastructure behind the organisation generally, costs around $200,000 (if my memory serves me well) to put on and that's with the generous waving of user-pays expenses by the Council and State Departments.

This year the Party Working Group has changed significantly the way things are done, the way people are to be treated etc etc.

It's up to each individual to determine if they will 'trust' these changes and support the event. And if you don't want to go to the party, that's also fine. I'm sure donations will be happily accepted by New Mardi Gras in lieu of a personal choice not to go to Sleaze Ball.

And, no, I guess, as a volunteer, albeit in a very small role, I shouldn't be commenting but I'm sick to death of the anonymous posters here who are trying to damage the backbone of Sydney's gay community.

Sign your name if being negative and destructive or find a new life, preferably not in Sydney.
Noisy Gypsy - Thu 8 Sep 2005 13:52:47 Replies: 1, 2, add

What do people want then. Isn't 10 of Sydney's biggest DJs, shows with Sydney's best dancers and choreographers, hundreds of people travelling from interstate...all to raise enough money to put on four events over a four week period enough?

Do you not think this is for you? Do you think Harbour Party would have a vibe without MG wrapped around it?

No wonder no gay event or business can survive. A large proportion of G&L people are just looking for that next thrill. Be that new drugs, soap star turned singer, event of shag.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 14:04:56 Replies: 1, add

To explain may I extend the metaphor - I think combing the post that repsonded by saying you can't prune something that is dead and rotting with the post suggesting my comments were shit (that is fertisler)illustrates our future.

Mardi Gras is dead, we all know that even the "positive people" do, for why would they be so vocal otherwise. However decomposing matter makes for excellent rich soil. Mardi Gras' 30 year life and memories are the perfect fertisiler for something new, which when you look around there is alot aching grow.

At present it Mardi Gras just takes up far too much light and engergy and bears no fruit.
Rosebud - Thu 8 Sep 2005 15:30:32 Replies: add

Good bye Sir!
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 15:45:35 Replies: add

www.jakekilby.com - Thu 8 Sep 2005 15:47:04

So, the bottom line is that if NMG want people to fork out $100 to go to their party (and to support next year's festival and parade), then they have to make it a little more attractive to the party crowd. Lumiere didn't have too much problem selling out, even though it musically caters for a relatively select crowd. I guess people have to start asking why instead of bitching about how noone is supporting the community and how dare anyone say anything negative unless they are going to do something to fix it and blah blah blah....
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 15:56:26 Replies: 1, 2, 3, add

It's enough for myself and my friends! We enjoy all of it, and attend every year.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 16:01:33 Replies: add

So yeah...are there any Syd ppl on the board here that go down to Melb on a regular basis and check out their scene?
uganda - Thu 8 Sep 2005 23:19:15 Replies: add

Fox Studios killed Mardi Gras and it will never be the same, no new gadgets or savvy production can ever change that.
- Thu 8 Sep 2005 10:04:29

It's not just Fox - the reinforced licencing rules means that a lot of dark and interesting parties have disappeared. Venue owners are loathe to have any event that even _appears_ to have an element of sex. Leather Pride has had less small parties in the last few years due to venue difficulties ... other organisations have the same troubles.
Someone build us a nightclub that is a juicebar only and we could possibly get back to the kind of events we all like.
Missing the darkness - Fri 9 Sep 2005 00:16:18 Replies: add

At least your getting "the music you want to hear" for SOME part of the night. My favourite genre of music got totally scrapped after three very popular parties at MG & Sleaze 04 then at MG 05. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement and the sole reason I am not going to Sleaze 2005.

Count yourselves lucky you ARE being catered to albeit for only a portion of the night. I'm not being catered to at all, at least my gripe is legitimate.
Retro Retro Retro - Fri 9 Sep 2005 01:13:49 Replies: 1, 2, add

Too many posters on this board think that they speak for the whole community - who do you people think you are? John Howard when he says he speaks for all Australians. Give me a break.

I'll be at Sleaze - I will party my arse off and dance (on a wooden dance floor) and pash and grope heaps of guys and meet heaps of new people and catch up with heaps of old friends. If I am there for the shows - then they will be spectacular.

And if those who slag off Sleaze and Mardi Gras are not there - then all the better. You can enjoy Lumiere with 157 coloured lasers. I'm sure you'll have a great time too. I'll be asleep by then - maybe.
MattC - Fri 9 Sep 2005 08:42:40 Replies: 1, 2, add

Evil Twin - Fri 9 Sep 2005 10:15:51

Hope I am one the dudes you pash on the dance floor, hehe.

3 weeks and counting.
New party goer - Fri 9 Sep 2005 11:28:37 Replies: add

Sorry Retro boy but cuts had to be made and NMG had to go where the $'s are ie Hordern/RHI styles. Maybe at next MG for you darls.

Noisy Gypsy - you are just stooping to others low levels by telling them to get a life. As for signing your name most would not know who Noisy Gypsy is just as they would not know who an anonymous poster is. They could sign it John Smith and most would not know who is either. Get it ?

Now the funny thing is , people seem to think that what is posted here is what the whole gay community thinks ! certainly it represents certain sections of the community but not all.

I think any sane person can tell who is for real and who
is a f**cking idiot on this wall by their rants.
Me ? I'll see ya in the Hordern at Sleaze - Fri 9 Sep 2005 19:09:17 Replies: 1, add

Arti - Fri 9 Sep 2005 19:37:12

Not as bad as previously forecast but still lacking words! Cmon lets beat 2004!
Adamx - (just a few extra words down here to add to the word count) - Fri 9 Sep 2005 23:46:26 Replies: add

yay for ABBA and yay for Madonna...cant wait!

"Time goes by so slowly, Time goes by so slowly, Time goes by so slowly,Time goes by so slowly...

Every little thing that you say or do
I'm hung up
I'm hung up on you
Waiting for your call
Baby night and day
I'm fed up
I'm tired of waiting on you..."
- Sat 10 Sep 2005 12:47:21 Replies: 1, 2, add

I certainly hope so!!
- Sat 10 Sep 2005 18:58:43 Replies: add

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