The theme for Sleaze has just been announced: Porn. DJ announcement is coming soon. Tickets are on sale with an early bird special for the first 4000 tickets sold or until 3 September. And to cap it all off Sleaze is only a handful of weeks away.
So how will you make this Sleaze sleazy? Will you go as a plumber who is unblocking pipes? Will you be the seargent and discipline your troops? How about a shop assistant helping a customer in the change rooms? Then there is the pizza delivery person. Or accidentally walk into a room full of people going for it. A quiet night at home alone with a few toys could be more your style. Or as George Michael said "Let's go outside, in the sunshine ..."
Pinkboard has an unofficial history of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parties with the history of Sleaze. This is nowhere near complete. If you can remember anything please email Panther or mention it on this wall.
- Thu 12 Aug 2004 23:45:50
There are now 50 DAYS TO SLEAZE BALL!!!! PORN PORN PORN !!!
There are now 50 DAYS TO SLEAZE BALL!!!! PORN PORN PORN !!!
There are now 50 DAYS TO SLEAZE BALL!!!! PORN PORN PORN !!!
There are now 50 DAYS TO SLEAZE BALL!!!! PORN PORN PORN !!!
There are now 50 DAYS TO SLEAZE BALL!!!! PORN PORN PORN !!!
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 00:06:47
ps - love the poster for sleaze - great work NMG
hope the lineup is as good:)
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 02:06:47
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 07:08:49
Since I've only ever been to one sleaze and two mardi gras after parties, could someone please clarify whether or not these ticket prices have traditionally jumped up by so much per year?
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 08:18:36
I think its quite obvious whats going on here.
If you get off your lazy bum in the next week or so and purchase an early bird ticket then the price is quite in line with dance party costs at Fox Studios in the last 4-5 years. In fact i'd say that a dance party at Fox these days for anything less than $100 is a bargain
If you leave it to the last minute and buy a full price ticket then you are effectively subsidising the people who were organised enough to get the early bird tickets.
Its all about being organised and not one of those silly people who leaves everything to the last minute and then ends up desperately searching in the "tickets for sale and buy" section of pinkboard the week leading up to the event when tickets have sold out.
GET ORGANISED PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 08:29:28
There's no need to blow my comments out of proportion. You said that I didn't "know what I was talking about". I clearly stipulated that I have _not_ been to many of these parties, and I required clarification.
As for your response, I'm still left with the underlying query of "why are they charging more for a dance party with less halls available?"
I think it's a legitimate question to be asked, and deserves a legitimate response. Would anyone else care to assist?
Thankyou.
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 08:57:18
The cost of the party is always incidental. Whilst it is a chunk of money it is nothing compared to the overall costs to such a weekend. All very worthwhile too I might add.
Please no moaning about the costs - Our parties are unique make the most of them. If you prefer $25 at Arq go for it.
Also with regard to venues - I imagine the current limit of the two halls is prudent planning by NMG. If ticket sales boom early the quality and perhaps the size of the party will rise as a result.
So buy your tickets early and encourage others to do so as we know this makes a marked difference to the party and probably eases a lot of stress off the
Common Cents - Fri 13 Aug 2004 11:59:45
Why are they charging more? Well decorating the halls is important, and the price of glitter and toilet paper ain't cheap these days.
I'm kidding.
If you went to Sleaze last year then you should know tickets were $90.00, so a $5.00 jump isn't too hard to swallow - just be sure to get your ticket early. NMG hasn't officially announced just how many venues there will be, so lets all just talk a calm and collective inhale and then exhale.
H - Fri 13 Aug 2004 12:59:02
Again, for me the important venue details are 1) dance floor. 2)Bleachers with seats. I'm taking fabulous music and lighting as a given. If there are shows, goodo, and I have no preference to local or international talent. They should pay both equally well, so no "savings" to have locals. My show policy is, "if we're there when it happens, then we'll watch it". It adds to party stress if I *have* to be somewhere at a certain time.
As for coat check, can I make a suggestion? If there's a few of you sticking together, take a bag and put it all in there.
Evil Twin - Fri 13 Aug 2004 14:19:35
For me, the most important aspect of the party will be the music. And I won't go to a party if I don't like the music.
Considering the DJ lineup would most likely be a huge selling point for most people, and from posts on here, is a hotly discussed topic. You think Mardi Gras would be organised enough to properly launch the party.
Having a good theme and poster are important, but without DJ names on it, it's pretty pointless.
I also think with the use of only 2 halls, the DJ lineup is ever more important than previous parties.
I risk not being able to buy an early bird ticket cause I won't decide if Sleaze is worth the money till the DJ's are announced.
I guess i will just have to go to the trouble of getting the ticket and selling it if the DJ lineup turns out not to my liking.
This isn't the first time they have done this, and perhaps there is a good reason and it would be great if they can explain this.
BubbleBoi - Fri 13 Aug 2004 14:49:36
Other posts have stated DJs will be announced on 21 August. That leaves two weeks to get your early bird ticket.
You're popped bubbleboi!
- Bubbleboi Popper - Fri 13 Aug 2004 15:35:04
Assuming the 4000 early bird tickets don't sell out before the DJ lineup is announed. I guess this is unlikely in 2 weeks, but still an issue
BubbleBoi - Fri 13 Aug 2004 16:10:44
If my memory serves correctly, wasn't The Horden last year added at a rather late stage once tickets sales warranted it and hence no wooden dancefloor was laid?
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 18:01:13
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 18:19:43
Don't bet on it sweety !!!
Retro Retro Retro - Fri 13 Aug 2004 18:58:28
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 19:14:34
There may only be 2 halls at Sleaze but there will definitely be a retro space.
On another note, its really disappointing that Fox decided that the so called trial of the Dome at Big Queer nation didnt work. Does anyone know why ???
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 19:30:40
hold the cheese !
modern homosexual - Fri 13 Aug 2004 22:01:22
TOUGH TITTIES !!!
Retro is currently very popular and it was so popular at mardi gras that it has to be at Sleaze regardless of whether you think its in theme or not.
Who Cares, people just wanna party to music they like and retro showed itself to be majorly at popular at Mardi gras.
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 23:39:49
There is now only 49 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There is now only 7 weeks to Sleaze Ball (get ya early bird tiks now) !!
There is now only 49 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There is now only 7 weeks to Sleaze Ball (get ya early bird tiks now) !!
There is now only 49 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There is now only 7 weeks to Sleaze Ball (get ya early bird tiks now) !!
There is now only 49 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
- Sat 14 Aug 2004 01:10:33
I was hoping that Dome would return to its popular style and Hordern back to its.
At NMG we were told Hordern would be mix of hardstyle/Tribal but it was majority of tribal. Dont mind sharing it but it was not what NMG advertised on their website. And I have no intention of being caught out this year.
I dont know of any dance party / touring band / straight party that puts out a Poster without the DJ's and Halls ?
please correct me if I'm wrong here ( in a nice way ).
Almost reeks of arrogance ? like its Sleaze so you will buy.
? - Sat 14 Aug 2004 08:45:02
OH PLLLease! What Mardi Gras want to do is to sell tickets and if having a Retro space means that they will sell more tickets than they would otherwise then they will provide the space! Retro not being 'suitable' for Sleaze? What are you talking about, these ARE the tracks that many of us have danced away to at Sleazes and Mardi Gras's in days gone by. If you don't enjoy hearing any old favourite tunes then it's really very simple: Don't enter the space in which they're being played.
"TOUGH TITTIES !!!
Retro is currently very popular and it was so popular at mardi gras that it has to be at Sleaze regardless of whether you think its in theme or not.
Who Cares, people just wanna party to music they like and retro showed itself to be majorly at popular at Mardi gras.
- Fri 13 Aug 2004 23:39:49"
Here Here! I totally agree with you, everyone I know just wants to have a fun night out.
- Hoping everyone who attends has a brilliant time at Sleaze regardless of which space they choose to spend time in - Sat 14 Aug 2004 10:35:10
Incorrect. I know 2 DJ's who you might expect to be there who have already been told they are not playing.
- Sat 14 Aug 2004 14:01:09
off to buy my tickets shortly
Bgrrl - Sat 14 Aug 2004 15:26:55
Again, it's highly doubful that some DJ's would be told and others who submitted haven't been notified yet.One would imagine that all DJ's, sucessful or not, will be notified at the same time.
I was shortlisted and submitted, but I haven't heard anything yet either way.
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 07:47:31
Well this is where you are wrong. There are TWO extremely high profile name DJ's who were short listed but just a few days ago were told that they wont be picked. This is due to the fact that they only submitted written submissions and refused to submit a mixed demo.
To be blunt I think its fair enough that DJ's who have proven themselves time and time again for Mardi Gras run parties shouldnt have to prove themselves via a mixed demo every single time.
In my opinion the process of "blind listening" that Mardi Gras conducts when picking the so called "best" mixed demos is quite a silly process. In theory this means they could actually chose a group of DJ's for Sleaze without actually choosing *ANY* of the really big drawcard names.
Time will tell - DJ's will be officially picked and advised within the next 7 days.
On the subject of the poster not advertising the DJ's as well as the fact that ticket are now available but DJ's are not yet picked - This is not a new phenomenon and it has happened on many many occassions. Oh dear, how short must your memories actually be LOL !
Anyhow, I look forward to the DJ announcements with baited breathe :)
Aiden - Sun 15 Aug 2004 08:50:38
I'm coming from interstate for the party and I want to check out this poster that everyone says is so great!
Also, why is there no update on Mardi Gras' website about the announcement of the theme etc?
Cheers
Interstater - Sun 15 Aug 2004 08:55:23
There's only 4 dozen days to Sleaze Ball !!
There's only 4 dozen days to Sleaze Ball !!
There's only 4 dozen days to Sleaze Ball !!
There's only 4 dozen days to Sleaze Ball !!
There's only 4 dozen days to Sleaze Ball !!
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 12:15:12
So you don't think the best person for the job should be picked but the DJ's should get the gig based on thier reputations alone?
Blind listening panels are the fairest way to pick the dj's. Everyone is on a level playing field that way. Up and coming DJ's can compete with the established "names" where as going on reputation alone, they may not get a chance.
As for the two big Dj's who didn't get selected, if they didn't want to participate in the audition process like the rest of us then it's their own fault.
So my comments stand that those who submitted have not been notified yet. The two DJ's you are refering to CHOOSE not to participate, NMG didn't tell them they were not playing based on their submissions.
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 13:31:40
So smarty pants , How much did you pay APRA to get permission to do a demo CD ?
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 13:50:02
Here's hoping that we get something different and completely leftfield. This worked at Mardi Gras - particularly with the Kylie Rose / Lisa German line up for the first half of the night in the Hordern, which was fantastic. No one would have picked that line up, which is a good thing. Let's hope there's something new in the mix for Sleaze as well - something different to the usual Sydney line up.
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 14:10:11
Exactly what was quoted to me by AMCOS(not APRA). What is the problem with complying with the rules?
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 14:10:11
I agree there will be no bedroom DJ's in the lineup but I find it interesting that some DJ's feel they are above auditioning and they should be given special treatment.
- Sun 15 Aug 2004 17:13:18
Everyone knows how great some of our big name DJ's are. They have performed under great stress to world acclaim. To tell these people they have to go back into a lucky dip "blind demo listen" is an insult to the these people who have been the backbone of gay clubland for many years.
The ones that should be putting demos in are the ones that are lesser known and havent been around as DJ's for more than say 10 years.
Long term DJ's to this community (eg Leal , Boladian , Taylor , Kilby , Goodyear , Munroe , Sveta , Alkins to name a few) should not have to prove themselves to anybody - They've all been there done that with great distinction. Asking them to supply a Demo CD is simply insulting.
Aiden - Sun 15 Aug 2004 17:34:39
As one of the DJ's in question, I would suggest you try and do your research before making such statements. There is much more to the picture than a simple case of choosing not to participate in the audition process. I certainly did not choose to not participate.
www.jakekilby.com - Sun 15 Aug 2004 18:34:56
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
Sleaze Ball is in 47 Days YAY !
- Mon 16 Aug 2004 08:15:30
Nope, when these djs turn up playing a new style of music we DON'T love them for, and make us suffer through their set... that is insulting. How hard is it to make a cd? Not many djs in this country are BIg enough to avoid the CD process. Maybe Alex Taylor...
- Mon 16 Aug 2004 17:44:40
What no JK..... what do you mean?????
- Mon 16 Aug 2004 18:32:40
The process can be a legal minefield. It's not just a matter of recording what tracks you want. There's a truckload of legalities involved.
I know the partner and I will be missing JK & his music on the night.
Shanobear - Mon 16 Aug 2004 19:03:39
Is that the sound of a dummy being spat that I hear? ;-) hehe
But seriously, it is alot of money to invest in the great unknown.
- Mon 16 Aug 2004 20:46:48
Thats a pretty good start for only 3 days of sales.
My 5 cents worth - Mon 16 Aug 2004 20:50:40
C'mon people it's Sleaze and it's the crowd that makes the atmosphere (the music just warms things up)....
confused - Mon 16 Aug 2004 22:52:56
Sleaze will so be worth it!!!...I'm thinking of going as a pool cleaner...they always get lucky in Pornos..
70's porn rox - Tue 17 Aug 2004 10:44:11
For some strange reason I'm thinking I need a diet coke right about now.
lovin' it - Tue 17 Aug 2004 11:47:58
As for outfits, the girlfriend has already decided on hers. And I think I'm going as Rough Trade so a visit to Bunnings Whorehouse for tool belt and accessories is in the offing. I remebered those lame Penthouse forum letters.
"I never thought it would happen to me, but..."
Evil Twin - Tue 17 Aug 2004 13:28:47
http://www.ssonet.com.au/display.asp?ArticleID=3454
- Tue 17 Aug 2004 15:25:37
I don't know the details of the submission process so won't comment on that. I will say based on some of the postings on sleaze wall 1, particularly those by James W, that the entire process appeared to be a bit of a debacle. Further, the leaking of details by people with an obvious intimate knowledge of the process on pink board, for what is essentially a confidential tender process, is entirely inappropriate.
JK - i hope you attend the party! Be great to have a dance with you, rather than too you!
Ms Golightly - Tue 17 Aug 2004 19:06:20
sorry , yes it was a dummy spit :)
I just cant beleive an organisation would go to all the trouble of making a great poster/theme and leave out the all important DJ's ?
As you say its a great deal of money and whilst I do want to support NMG ,I'm not paying those $'s to walk aimlessly around the halls if I dont like the DJ's they have chosen.
There is always good old Queer Nation as a back up event and its a given that certain DJ's will be playing and that certainly hasn't hurt their reputation or dulled the numbers attending.
I'll still wait - Tue 17 Aug 2004 20:42:17
There are 46 Days To Sleaze Ball !!
There are 46 Days To Sleaze Ball !!
There are 46 Days To Sleaze Ball !!
There are 46 Days To Sleaze Ball !!
There are 46 Days To Sleaze Ball !!
countdownboy - Opps , nearly forgot my countdown today - Tue 17 Aug 2004 20:53:40
I agree, too. It's a great shame to deny an institution of the MG and Sleaze parties. But when NMG have been promoting such a strictly adhered to "fair" system that they've developed, they can't just start making exceptions and break the rules for one off cases - or else where does it stop?
- Wed 18 Aug 2004 11:09:59
There are now only 45 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 45 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 45 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 45 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 45 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
- Wed 18 Aug 2004 11:38:33
This also goes a way in explaining why the tender process is open to all DJs, not just the ones we know and love.
If most people thought for two seconds prior to posting inane comments, all would be clearer.
Or better still, if each second person posting here actually did some volunteer time with NMG or PRIDE or ACON or Luncheon Club or any number of other organisations, you'll learn the how's and why's.
But of course, it's easier on the sidelines just turning up and then complaining, isn't it.
Sleaze, BQN, Inqusition, MG party...they just don't happen.
Take a minute guys - Wed 18 Aug 2004 13:38:36
good idea though.....
Adam - Wed 18 Aug 2004 17:32:03
I think the DJ selection process sounds reasonably fair. My only criticism is that I think the DJ line-up is being announced just a little too late. I certainly won't be forking out that amount of money for a ticket when I don't yet know which DJs will be playing.... Maybe if the DJ line-up was announced a little earlier, more people would buy their tickets earlier and there would be less fretting about last minute ticket sales etc.
- Wed 18 Aug 2004 17:48:47
Listen up people - This is NOT a new concept.
If you check Mardi Gras and Sleaze Ball posters over the years you will all realise that a lot of these parties have NOT always released the DJ names at the time of the launch of the poster. The DJ's have quite regularly come later.
Sure the DJ's and the music at the party are a big thing. But its not EVERYTHING.
If you truly support the ideals of the gay and lesbian community in this city you'd be out there buying your ticket now. To not do so I believe to be selfish.
Quite frankly, you could have mixed cd's playing all night at Sleaze and I'd still be there.
As it is the DJ's from what I hear will be told of their plight in the next 2-3 days. Hopefully that announcement will finally stop all you moaning grannies.
My 5 cents worth - Wed 18 Aug 2004 18:20:03
I'm a volunteer with ACON.
I'm sure you'll find a lot of others volunteer as well - Evil Twin and girlf do.
I also agree the DJ names should be announced same time as poster etc. Everyone has their favourite DJ's they like to dance too and I'll wait till they are announced before I buy my ticket.
T. - Wed 18 Aug 2004 19:39:32
let me just explain the difference between confidential and transparent.
You are correct, the submission criteria were clearly spelled out in the gay papers. This is transparent!
I would imagine, or at least hope, that after submissions were recieved the process becomes confidential. As a purely hypothetical example, could you imagine the community uproar if somebody came on pinkboard and posted along the lines of "such and such [insert name of DJ here] couldn't be bothered submitting an expression of interest" or "such and such (insert name of DJ's here) submission was crap"...before final DJ's had been named.
Up until the announcement of final DJ's no details of who was being considered or who had been excluded should have been revealed. This is confidentiality.
That was my point. The fact that we have seen details of this process revealed on pinkboard is, as i stated in my previous post, entirely inappropriate.
by the way...simply dismissing people who may not share your view as cheap shots from the sidelines is the only inane thing i've seen on this board in quite some time.
Ms Golightly - Wed 18 Aug 2004 21:01:12
I too, am here to say that like Jake Kilby, I did not submit a Demo CD. I was shortlisted, but when it came to having to submit a demo, I decided that not to. There are many reasons for this... 2 of which are:
1. The cost, timing and process involved in putting together a demo CD, at the same time as having to adhere to strict APRA requirements, as well as the planning and preparation of putting together a demo cd, just wasn't worth the effort.... Sounds a little snobish, I know. But you have to be a long -time DJ to know what this means.
2. During the last couple of years, I have done Pride NYE, Inquisition, Mardi Gras, Big Queer Nation, Retrosexual etc just to name a few. These major dance gigs, along with my weekly gigs, take up alot of my time, as well as time away from my family, friends and most importantly of all, my partner. On top of all this, there's also the mental exhaustion that comes in the lead up to these events.
In no way am I blaming Mardi Gras, but to be honest, I think that should we have had more time to prepare and submit our demo's, the outcome may have been a little different (at least for me anyway). At the same time, I can fully understand & commend Mardi Gras for going through the proper channnels, to keep it all above board.
Not all DJ's have ample time on their hands. Many DJ's, including myself, have full time day jobs, as well as their evening DJ gigs. These two combined, don't give much time to put together a Cd. Especially when you throw these APRA requirements into the picture, which can slow down the process.
In the meatime, on a more pleasant note, I'll be there on the dancefloor struttimg my stuff with my partner, and enjoying the night... Please feel free to come up & say hi!
Enjoy!
How long now countdownboy?
www.djjustinscott.com - Wed 18 Aug 2004 21:27:12
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
There's only 44 Days To Sleaze Ball (and hopefully a few days to DJ selection)
- Thu 19 Aug 2004 00:05:56
As for Sleaze, we're thinking of dragging the overalls out of the closet to wear again this year. We wore them a few years ago to my first ever sleaze and got nicknamed Mario & Luigi by one of our friends at the Taxi Club.
Shanobear - Thu 19 Aug 2004 07:36:15
I am a little surprised at Justin Scott's comment on the time it takes to prepapre a CD and not having enough time. Surely if you are as well known and professional as you are you would have found it quite easy to grab some tracks, mix them, apply to APRA and submit? With so many other DJ's around busting to get in and being a little more committed I hope that they prevail. If not, I am sure they will try and try again. As Justin Scott says, "you have to be a long-time DJ to know what this means"!
I say go the new blood in DJ's! I think the idea of this process is to keep it fresh and competitive. Good on those guys and gals who were short listed and submitted. It takes a little dedication to get somewhere and there is no time to sit back and expect anything. Cut out the old stock and in with the new!
Drew - Thu 19 Aug 2004 07:54:29
This process is a lot harder than you people think.
Justin may have decided not to engage in the final part of the submission process, but that was a decision he made for his own reasons.
I decided that I would engage in the final part of the submission process, but as I was not able to get the relevant permission from APRA within the time frame given, I decided not to submit a demo CD with my written submission.
After settling the unofficial QN CD case recently (after 18 months of hell), I was not in a position to record and submit a demo CD that did not have legal approval. Unfortunately, I now have a black mark against my name with APRA and I have to be a good little law abiding citizen. Quite frankly, going back to court over something like a demo CD is not something I am prepared to do.
That is my reason for not submitting a demo CD. It has nothing to do with my ego, or feeling like I shouldn't have to submit, or being to lazy to do so.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 19 Aug 2004 08:31:59
I think it's somewhat irresponsible for NMG to leave such a small window of opportunity for the shortlisted DJs to develop their demo discs.
Yes, established DJs should already have their APRA approved demo discs made up. But it's my understanding that once the DJs are shortlisted, they are informed of the styles of music that NMG are looking for. This leads me to assume that a new demo disc may need to be developed to accomodate these requirements (eg NMG may or may not be looking for retro DJs this year).
Perhaps a little more notice and transparency is required in the future - for example, releasing the styles of music which will be strongly considered. I do, however, commend NMG for increasing the credibility of the DJ selection process, these are just a few concerns and suggestions.
Murray H - Thu 19 Aug 2004 09:03:41
Either giving it away as a demo or selling them are considered exactly the same breach of the law. The Jake Kilby case although slightly different was principally about the same issue (ie distributing a bulk number of CD's for financial gain or promotional gain leading to possible financial gain via a hightened profile)
"Music industry scores win in DJ copyright case"
By Abby Dinham, ZDNet Australia
02 August 2004
Six disc jockeys were ordered to pay over AU$48,000 in damages last week after being found guilty of copyright infringement charges brought forth by Universal Music and several other music industry applicants.
Justice Murray Wilcox -- who is also presiding over the Sharman Networks v. Universal Music copyright case – issued the punishment on Friday at an assessment of damages hearing in the Federal Court in Sydney.
Justice Kevin Lindgren had found on 19 July that six CD compilations assembled by the five respondents resulted in copyright infringement against three of the applicants, Universal Music Australia, Sony Music Entertainment (Australia) and Warner Music Australia.
The respondents – Jun Miyamoto (also known as DJ Moto), David Pacheco, Peter Papalii, Tahi Croft, Nick Garcia and Joe Sou Anau Sitoa (director of the Minesto company (or Anthem Records) that offered three of the CD's for online sale) – were found guilty of burning popular music onto CDs for disc jockeys' use at nightclub performances. In many cases, the discs were also being freely distributed and sold to patrons at the performance venues.
Justice Wilcox stated that "in each, the compilation CDs were made to enable the maker or makers to use them in musical presentations by the maker, or one of the makers, acting as a disc jockey".
He adds, "However, it would not have been necessary to make so many copies of the compilation CDs for this purpose. The purpose of making so many copies was to enable them to be given to audience members, thereby assisting the popularity of the disc jockey, or to be sold to members of the public at prices between AU$10 and AU$15 each."
Ordinary damages pursuant to section 116 of the Copyright Act – that copyright subsisted in the work -- totalled AU$18,066 in total for all the respondents, with Miyamoto and Pacheco jointly receiving the highest initial damage order of AU$9,350.
The respondents were also ordered to pay additional damages pursuant to section 115 of the Act – regarding the respondents knowledge that their act constituted an infringement and that they benefited from it -- in total of AU$30,500, with Miyamoto and Pacheco again ordered to pay the highest amount of AU$10,000 in total.
The records in question – titled Bizarre Ride, Black Label Limited, Black Label II, Black label Vol 3, Summer Jamz 2002 and Most Wanted Allstars Showtime -- were for the majority produced by Miyamoto and Pacheoco, with over 2100 in total having been distributed.
Justice Wilcox applied an approximate cost of AU$8.50 per CD in determining the loss of income for the copyright holders, and, in turn, the sum of damages to be paid by the respondents.
Despite argument from the respondents' lawyer that many of the CDs were given away, forgoing any financial benefit for the DJs in question, Justice Wilcox found that the infringements were "deliberately made for their ultimate financial gain."
"In each case, the respondent was aware that his act constituted an infringement of copyright. He flagrantly disregarded the applicants' rights," said Justice Wilcox.
"This culture might be based on a perception that sound recording companies are wealthy multinational companies and an attitude that they are, therefore, fair game. Even if the perception is factually correct, the attitude overlooks the circumstance that copyright piracy also deprives performing artists of their legitimate reward," he said.
Justice Wilcox also agreed with the Universal Music party lawyer, Richard Cobden – who is also representing Universal in the Sharman copyright case – that the DJs in question were highly regarded in the industry and as such could be seen as role models for other DJs.
Justice Wilcox stated that leniency, in the case of several respondents was overlooked due to the insincerity of their remorse over the incident.
Referring to Papalii, Justice Wilcox stated "I cannot accept his professed regret. I refer to an interview he gave… several months after the delivery of Lindgren J's judgement on liability, in which he used crudely offensive language to express his opinion about disc jockeys who strive 'to get a legit CD deal'. He added '[w]e are the real mix CD kings'".
The Justice said that additional damages awarded against him would have been AU$1500 less is he "had been satisfied of Mr Papalii's regret".
The respondents were also ordered to pay a total of AU$90,000 in court costs.
- Thu 19 Aug 2004 09:15:47
I am totally blown away that RICHARD COBDEN of all people has recently represented record companies in a suit against DJ's.
Given Richards background as an ex President of SGLMG and also a the ex BF of Gary Leeson who was for many years the Party Director of SGLMG it astounds me that Richard would choose a case that puts the high corporate mongrels from the Record Industry against little club DJ's.
Richard is such a high profile lawyer in Sydney that I am sure he can pick and choose which cases he wishes to take. For him to have chosen this case in my opinion was an extremely poor judgement call.
Shame on you Richard Cobden, shame on you.
White Dove - Thu 19 Aug 2004 09:53:23
Apparently The Chinese Laundry nightclub near King St Wharf is going to throw a big gay party on the sunday night of the sleaze long weekend.
I heard this from a pretty reputable source (a prominent sydney DJ who has been booekd to play).
Rumourman - Thu 19 Aug 2004 09:58:33
- Thu 19 Aug 2004 10:03:12
Hats off to Jake Kilby and Justin Scott, not just for their honesty but the good times they have given all as well.
Roll on Sleaze. In this case, I challenge Ms Golightly to a dance off.
Take a minute guys - Thu 19 Aug 2004 10:34:55
No Jake Kilby or Justin Scott at Sleaze Ball ?
Our Retro stocks have been decimated !!
Lets hope reliable Mr Blomfield is still in contention to cover the enormous needs of us Retro dancers at Sleaze.
Retro Retro Retro - Thu 19 Aug 2004 10:40:56
Don't worry, i'm prepared to go to court for all of us.
My submission is not one for financial gain, it is to showcase my skills as a DJ in order to secure a spot at Sleaze ball where i can share my $300+ a week love/obsession/addiction for music with the thousands of people at Sleaze who are there to listen and enjoy..
I can't tell you how many people ask me "what was the name of that track" i won't burn a copy for you but i will tell you where you may be able to purchase it from..
Every track i purchase is around the twenty dollar mark, I guarantee if i was to secure that spot at Sleaze, i will play every track that was on my demo. This is the perfect environment for Artists music to be show cased through the DJ. God only knows how many people will be asking me "what was the name of that farkin track that went......?"
It's an insult after having payed for these tracks (where i should add the artists/record company's/producers/remixers get their share of profit)to have to pay out a royalty again!! My demo has been submitted in order to be able to play that music to thousands of genuine music lovers like myself...If I don't get chosen, then NMG can throw it in the bin for all i care..
I'm not profiting in any threatening way from this exercise and they can suck my balls if they think it is fair to try and squash the people that do this for the LOVE of music!!!
All i say is.... - i would eat music if i could(actually, if it wasn't so farkin expensive) - Thu 19 Aug 2004 11:54:22
hear, hear! and not to mention that we are promoting and selling music for said record companies week in/week out! hand, bite, feed...
www.lukeleal.com - Thu 19 Aug 2004 14:51:18
Lordy - there'd be a queue to suck your balls love, just grow some chest hair first.
- Thu 19 Aug 2004 15:03:31
Spot in Luke! You've just mentioned the most important thing!
If I had a dollar for everytime I gave the Title, Artist, Mix and the location where they could purchase it, I'd be a millionaire. But what is really frustrating is that I cannot rebel, and refuse to give the track details to those who ask for it. Why should they suffer because of my grieviance with APRA. And I can't lie & say that it's a white label that was given to me by someone from a Teenage DJ wanna-be who lives Somewhere in Russia!
Anyway... I forgot... This is Sleaze Graffiti... Sorry Panther... Just had to get that off my chest!
Phew!
www.djjustinscott.com - Thu 19 Aug 2004 15:37:18
back to party preperations for moi! sorry stephen blomfield! i've now decided i am going as the French Mens Gymnastic Team....oh yum!!!!!!
Ms Golightly - Thu 19 Aug 2004 19:47:34
opposing podiums and sultry pouts at 20 paces! you're on!
Ms Golightly - (looks like the jenny garth "buns of steel" video for me tonight! - Thu 19 Aug 2004 19:52:26
Maybe it should be looked into... but then again, would the record companies even be interested?
shanobear - Thu 19 Aug 2004 20:24:53
..and a half decent sound system would be a nice change too, maybe even a decent one someday..
:)
- Thu 19 Aug 2004 20:35:32
- back submitting on pinkboard.. when will I learn - Thu 19 Aug 2004 21:42:09
There are 43 Days To Sleaze (silver medal) !
There are 43 Days To Sleaze (bronze medal) !
There are 43 Days To Sleaze (gold medal) !
There are 43 Days To Sleaze (silver medal) !
There are 43 Days To Sleaze (bronze medal) !
- Fri 20 Aug 2004 00:07:23
Now THAT'S something we haven't heard on Pinkboard for a long, long time.
Samantha J - Fri 20 Aug 2004 11:06:01
Sleaze Ball 2004 is just around the corner - and as preparations are hotting up it is time once again for us to ask your help!
We are looking for volunteers to help us bump-in at Fox during the week prior to the Party and have a wide range of roles available on the night - 2 October
For further info please email
SLEAZEPARTY@YAHOO.COM.AU
and reply to the questions below.
Name:
Preferred phone number:
(mobile if possible)
Preferred email address
I would like to work at Bump in: Y / N
I am available to work these days:
I would like to volunteer at the Party: Y / N
I am interested in one of the special roles:
Thankyou!
Jules Andrews, Di Cameron and Matt Jones - Fri 20 Aug 2004 16:41:17
There are now only 6 weeks to Sleaze Ball (thats 42 days for the dummies) !
There are now only 6 weeks to Sleaze Ball (thats 42 days for the dummies) !
There are now only 6 weeks to Sleaze Ball (thats 42 days for the dummies) !
There are now only 6 weeks to Sleaze Ball (thats 42 days for the dummies) !
There are now only 6 weeks to Sleaze Ball (thats 42 days for the dummies) !
- God its 3am, Bedtime now - Sat 21 Aug 2004 03:09:02
More news as it comes to hand
- Sat 21 Aug 2004 09:43:58
- you've missed one jonny...the right of PORN! - Sat 21 Aug 2004 12:39:56
Dont hold your breath. Sources have told me that Alex submitted his officially released Queer Nation CD as his demo but it was deemed ineligible by the party selection committee because it was already a known CD and couldnt be placed in the blind selection process fairly. Alex either couldnt or refused to put in a new demo CD and from what I hear (just like Jake Kilby) this has therefore ruled Alex as inelligible for Sleaze selection by the committee.
Does all this beg the question (i dare ya) who are the Sleaziest DJ's?
- i don't want to know, just PLAY it - Sat 21 Aug 2004 13:03:35
Well I could name quite a few DJ's who Ive seen sleazing around backrooms and toilets at dance parties. Surely that must rule them as the Sleaziest DJ's of all ;) Shall I name names ? Maybe I better not hehe.
Madonna Minogue - Sat 21 Aug 2004 15:13:55
Well that sucks, how can he be expected to submit a demo CD will he has been playing in Ibiza when the submission process started?
Someone would have submitted his Queer nation CD on his behalf..
No Jake, no Alex = No Sleaze for me!!
- Sat 21 Aug 2004 17:50:02
Oh well thats no problem, thats one more admission ticket that somebody else will enjoy.
On a more sensible note - Every DJ in the world knows there is a "process" that has to be followed to be picked for a Mardi Gras or Sleaze Ball in this city. If Alex wanted to DJ at Sleaze bad enough he would have been organised enough to have a submission ready at the time regardless of what part of the world he is in at any given time.
If you want to apply to a party bad enough you will make every effort to comply.
It seems Alex wasn't desperate enough for the gig on this occassion. Seems like complacency set in.
Its the same rule for everyone, these things just dont fall into your lap.
Good luck to all the DJ's tonight who did make the effort to submit to NMG - I wish you could all get selected.
- Sat 21 Aug 2004 18:02:43
Can you substantiate that claim? The DJ selection committee is going to need the wisdom of Solomon to try and please the majority, but will no doubt never please the bitter-and-twisted.
I would suggest there is far more to selecting a suitable DJ than just listening to a one-off submission, that may give an indication of the technical skill of the DJ and a very small snapshot of his/her cd/record collection, but it can't take into account the ability to work a party. Just look at how many DJ's are great in a club environment, but totally suck in a dance party environment.
Wishing the selection committee all the best in trying to reach an impossible decision on who is inivited to perform.
- Sat 21 Aug 2004 19:34:15
There are now 41 Days to Sleaze !!
There are now 41 Days to Sleaze !!
There are now 41 Days to Sleaze !!
There are now 41 Days to Sleaze !!
There are now 41 Days to Sleaze !!
- Sun 22 Aug 2004 00:04:02
- Sun 22 Aug 2004 10:58:29
Why not involve the NMG members directly in the DJ selection process and have a ballot? (This might even get a few more people to join NMG...)
The list of DJ candidates could automatically include any DJ who has played a Sleaze or MG party in the past, maybe, 3 years. Newcomers/hopefuls could submit a demo to the committee who could then "blind" select a certain number of those names to be voted on as well.
You could then split the vote up into, say, "five most popular established DJs" and save another two or three spots or whatever for "most popular newcomers" to ensure some fresh talent gets a go at each party and at least the community has had a say in who.
It's just an idea so don't shoot me everyone, but I figure that if DIVA can have a community vote for a lot of their awards, it's obviously possible to organise such a ballot, and I reckon you'd create quite a buzz around the community.
Samantha J - Sun 22 Aug 2004 11:15:29
Great idea Samantha! Could agree with you more!
- Sun 22 Aug 2004 12:08:07
Leave it to the people who know what they are doing.
In life if you want to apply for job you have to follow a certain proceedure and every one gets an equal opportunity to get that job.
Why should it be any different in this case.
- Sun 22 Aug 2004 12:35:08
had fun, now have the buz to go to sleaze. Good event, new mardi gras should do more of it.
See ya at Sleaze!
trashy Bitch - Sun 22 Aug 2004 13:22:44
unfortunately true we still live in a society that turns any public voting into a beauty competition
you could pretty much guess the winners everytime
cdb - got my tix - Sun 22 Aug 2004 18:47:10
can't wait - by the way, loving the poster!! - Sun 22 Aug 2004 20:43:33"
Good points. The other relevant point of course is that both Jake and Alex are DJ's who will sell tickets, hence reinforcing the arguments already put forward on this board and elsewhere.
Now that the theme has been announced who's already planned what they're going to wear?
- Sun 22 Aug 2004 22:23:37
I'm very chuffed :)
I'll tell U who I am in a few days when Im allowed - Sun 22 Aug 2004 22:29:45
As far as I can see it's pretty simple.... if you don't like something about Sleaze, they way it operates, the DJ who will or won't be playing, whether or not their will be podiums, back rooms for sex, 4 halls, 3 halls, 2 halls, 1 hall or no halls at all, hetrosexualas who may or may not ruin it for you, the sound system, the lighting system, the acts (or lack of), long queues for the toilets & cloak room, no pass outs and anything else that people have whinged on this and previous boards ...... THEN DO NOT GO TO SLEAZE! Simple, it's obviously not for you and you are not going to enjoy yourself.
I don't understand what is happening in our community, but every time there is a (big) party people whinge about it ...why? If you really want to make a difference and feel strongly about your posts then do something about it - put your money where your mouth is - rather than just whinge and carry on.
A few weeks ago people where bagging the sound at Toybox and then the lighting at Arq at the after party! A crowd provides the atmosphere for a venue, the music and lighting helps enhance that atmosphere! If you put aside your negative thoughts about a party and go out by yourself or with your friends with a positive frame of mind and a smile on your face, I bet you would have a good time regardless!
Move on people! - there is a bigger picture out there - Sun 22 Aug 2004 22:29:52
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
There is now 40 Days and 40 Nights to Sleaze Ball !
- Mon 23 Aug 2004 00:15:34
New Mardi Gras will be looking at New Blood. They've proven themselves in the past with some of the best parties in years...more than 1,000 tickets sold in less than a week shows that most people believe this to.
- Mon 23 Aug 2004 09:24:50
A social night every few months would be a great idea and I would urge all interested to attend. Now all we need are the DJ's to be names for Sleaze, outfit ready and bring on the party!
Great job New Mardi Gras!
Porn* - Mon 23 Aug 2004 13:33:36
I have to partially agree with this comment, however, the conumdrum is if you never hear new styles of music then how will you ever know if you'll like/dislike it? I'm just glad I don't have to pick which DJ's are invited and for which hall and which set - it's hard enuff on the night usually ... LOL
- Mon 23 Aug 2004 16:48:23
Not sure who he was - but u r right he was a cutie!
will be keeping an eye out for him again Prrrrrr
Playme - Mon 23 Aug 2004 19:44:23
Will decided if i am going when i see the list
- Mon 23 Aug 2004 19:55:02
Most Popular DJ for the 2004 DIVA Awards: JIMMY DEE
Congratulations Jimmy!
www.djjustinscott.com - Mon 23 Aug 2004 21:50:40
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
there are now 39 Days to Sleaze Ball. And its getting exciting !!
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 00:17:52
RHI - Sheigeki , Murphy , Crawford
You heard it here first - Tue 24 Aug 2004 10:34:51
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.
Luke, I feel your pain!
Ferosh - Tue 24 Aug 2004 12:47:50
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 13:27:23
I have to ask what happened to acceptance and tolerance? As a member of the Gay community, i have for years fought the fight for these things, and it appears to me that we have the same issues within our very own community.
If Neil has been selected to play, Great!!!! What really matters is that he delivers a great set, and he should not be judged on whom he sleeps with.
Looking forward to Sleaze!
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 13:53:51
Well, hopefully Neal C. will be playing...no retro is fine by me, but if hard house is lost, then thats taking it a bit too far!!
u.w. - ...no Luke Leal...no elections dates...whats this world comming to ?! - Tue 24 Aug 2004 15:01:05
and
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 14:02:52
I couldn't agree with either of you more.
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 15:05:35
I think that decisions on DJ selections would have been made beforelast night then contracts would have had to be signed, so if you think of timelines i hardly think it would have anything to do with any working group at all. Have you heard of the term coincidence?
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 15:26:11
- Tue 24 Aug 2004 17:51:54
Oh well, I guess it means I'll have the whole night off to party!
Dan Murphy - (Sleaze Ball Virgin) - Tue 24 Aug 2004 18:03:30
If it is Sveta in the middle I hope she keeps the beat going for a few records/cd's.......dont get me wrong I have had some fantastic dances to Sveta but have also had to sit her out as she becomes sooooooooo manic the beat changes with everyone song but thats my personal choice.....
I'm not a Retro fan but I have 6 friends who wont be going if no Retro space ? is there ?
Here's hoping - Tue 24 Aug 2004 19:38:27
Take a a good measure of open mindedness, a crowd of friends, a great community, a truck load of fun, a dash of alchol (or to taste), some great DJ's and music with plenty of variety, season (with whatever you fancy), simmer for 3 hours (well at least until your sweating), boil for 4 hours (that should take you til about 5.00am), leave to rest for a while, simmer again, recover for a while and then do it all again the next nite at QN.
Come on Sydney lets hear more about what we are going to be doing to make it a great nite.
HAPPY SLEAZE
mode - glad to be living in Sydney - Tue 24 Aug 2004 22:51:21
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
There is now only 38 days to Sleaze Ball
- Wed 25 Aug 2004 00:23:50
Oh well congrats to those who did get selected, I'll be there dancing all night as usual.
Shanobear - Wed 25 Aug 2004 10:21:56
I am sorry to hear you are not playing Dan... Lets just get out on the dance floor and enjoy the dark and dirty side of sleaze!
DanFan! - Wed 25 Aug 2004 13:30:41
I think its a great theme, hoping it hard dark and dirty
counting down the sleeps
DirtyBoi - Wed 25 Aug 2004 13:32:05
Agree that there should be new blood but shouldnt the new blood be mixed with the tried and true DJ's ? after all
most events need "names" to get the punters to attend and I mean names who attract large crowds ?
? - Wed 25 Aug 2004 16:21:09
- Wed 25 Aug 2004 17:45:10
There *will* be a retro space at sleaze. I know one of the DJ's who will be playing in that space. Check the papers tomorrow and wipe the mud off your face
Piggy Mud Mud - Wed 25 Aug 2004 23:39:24
There are 37 Days To Sleaze (Have You bought your ticket yet) ?
There are 37 Days To Sleaze (Have You bought your ticket yet) ?
There are 37 Days To Sleaze (Have You bought your ticket yet) ?
There are 37 Days To Sleaze (Have You bought your ticket yet) ?
There are 37 Days To Sleaze (Have You bought your ticket yet) ?
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 00:19:58
Ta love! This will be my first Sleaze and I'm really looking forward to throwing myself in the deep end and getting seriously dirty ;)
Dan Murphy - Thu 26 Aug 2004 00:34:22
love light & Beats
DanFan! - Thu 26 Aug 2004 06:03:46
Loved what he did at Big QN ( I think that was with Neal C. and Luke Leal)...had a great time there, hopefully they've selected Neal Crawford!
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 08:55:18
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 09:53:32
Hordern
Mike Kelly 10pm to 1am
Mandy Rollins 1am to 4am
Sveta 4am to 8am
RHI
Shigeki 10pm to 1am
Neal Crawford 1am to 5am
Ryan Murphy 5am to 8am
Retro
Jimmy Dee 10am to 2am
Stephen Blomfield 2am to 6am
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 11:23:04
Hordern: Mike Kelly + Mandy Rollins + Sveta
RHI: Shigeki + Neal Crawford + Ryan Murphy
Retro space(tba): Jimmy Dee + Stephen Bloomfield
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 12:24:18
As long as work permits I'll be there (especially if someone throws me a comp!) cheering along that big lug Crawford.
Don't forget to save some energy for the Jake, Luke & Alex show the following night at QN (I'm workshopping the name The Sleaze Rejects - there will be cheerleaders 'n everyfin), I reckon it's going to be the best one yet...
www.lukeleal.com - Thu 26 Aug 2004 13:13:00
Neil, Ryan, can you comment on what style you will play. I am a big fan when you guys play Trance, but if you intend on playing a House set, I will have 2nd thoughts about going.
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 13:54:52
Make that:
Neil, Ryan, can you comment on what style you will play. I am a big fan when you guys play House, but if you intend on playing a Trance set, I will have 2nd thoughts about going.
Adam - house house house! - Thu 26 Aug 2004 14:36:12
yeah, my ticket for HarbourLife
nothing personal, but I'm disapointed with such a bland line up. Sveta is the only one I'd be interested in hearing but she aint worth the $105 ticket price
the "selection process" was meant to be blind / annon ? it's uncanny that Shitgeki is playing in the RHI yet again
my 2 cents
Touche Eclat - Thu 26 Aug 2004 14:45:41
This message is unnecessarily nasty.
Now, who got the lighting tender?
Evil Twin - Thu 26 Aug 2004 14:47:10
Yes it is uncanny considering his boyfriend is no longer on the board and has nothing to do with MG anymore?
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 16:26:13
I agree with you Adam!
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 16:43:43
All the ones selected are also "established" DJs. Except for Stephen Blomfield they all play regularly on the scene.
Arti - Thu 26 Aug 2004 19:06:28
Here is the poster (click to see it larger): - Thu 26 Aug 2004 19:14:13Looking forward to a great dance now, good DJ line up.
But............please do something about the sound in the
RHI - surely with todays technology something can be done.
And it would be nice if some of those blowers ( mechanical kind ) could be in RHI circulating that hideous air that seems to build up late in the night.
Evil Twin and girlf - that drinks on again at midnight ?
T - Thu 26 Aug 2004 19:25:56
Just wanted to drop you all a note to say I'm very much looking forward to playing for you all in the Retro Space again at Sleaze Ball. Its gonna be a tad weird not playing with Jake or Justin and I'm disappointed for Jake in the manner in which he was not considered but on the other hand I'm looking forward at the opportunity of playing with Jimmy as a new experience.
Feel free to suggest any requests from the 80's or 90's and I promise between the pair of us we will strongly consider them.
As for where the retro space will be, well that would be telling !
Roll on Sleaze Ball :)
Stephen Blomfield - Thu 26 Aug 2004 21:10:03
As usual Sleaze be good well done for the DJ selection
Sammy D - Thu 26 Aug 2004 21:47:42
go check the party wall for Sveta news
- Thu 26 Aug 2004 23:53:44
There are now 36 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are now 36 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are now 36 Days to Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Fri 27 Aug 2004 00:07:50
This is true. But it wasn't so much the quality of the sound (it was great if you were on one of those mini stages/podiums that were in front of each speaker stack) but that a SINGLE noise complaint from a local resident had the EPA (Enviromantal Protection Agency) come in and have the sound reduced for the ENTIRE night. I've played at least one party in the RHI before where there was a similar problem and as far as I know (though please prove me wrong) no one can garuntee that it won't happen again on the night.
Having said that though, despite my frustration and the oppresive humidity, the capacity crowd was overwhelmimgly responsive, completely soaked in sweat and extremely happy. Go figure.
www.lukeleal.com - Fri 27 Aug 2004 01:02:46
Huh?
You obviously don't get out much. ;-)
Like the name says...
Trance Trance Trance - *sniffin* and *grievin* for the loss of my Lukey - Fri 27 Aug 2004 01:03:35
Congrats to Ryan and Neal - and Go the Shigeki (forever loved for playing Kings of Tomorrow at Mardi Gras). Well done to Mike Kelly for his first.
Crying in my own private Discotheque for Luke!
Oh, well. On with the show.
Now - with a theme like "Porn" I suggest Viagra is obviously the look of choice for the evening... ;-)
Trance Trance Trance - Back to the music - DOOF doof Doof doof - Fri 27 Aug 2004 01:11:58
Anyway, regardless of where its going to be I'm pleased that New Mardi Gras has decided to have a retro space at Sleaze even though it doesn't exactly fit in with a Sleaze theme. In the end who cares if it isn't in theme if having a retro space brings more people through the gate.
I'm disappointed that Justin didn't submit a CD but that was his decision and I'm doubly disappointed Jake got shafted the way he did, however its great to see Stephen Blomfield back on deck and Jimmy Dee (for me) is an unknown quantity but I'm sure he'll keep up the high retro standards that prevailed at Mardi Gras this year.
I've got my ticket yesterday and now I'm all ready and raring to go. Now I've just got to get my thinking cap on and get some fun requests from the 80's happening ;)
Looking 4ward to the R*e*T*r*O space where ??? - Fri 27 Aug 2004 09:03:16
Yeah, I'm sure Playbill Management will spend countless amounts of money to soundproof a venue that gets used twice a year.
Unless the gay community wants parties to be held at Olympic Park, I suggest you get used to the sound in the RHI. It's primarily an exhibition space - not a concert hall.
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 09:09:32
A Spring night in October in Sydney. I doubt it will be too cold. Sleaze is in October not June.
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 10:10:02
I don't understand what is fresh about it - the line up is fine, nothing wrong with that. But there is not a single new face in it. Hopefully we'll get something different at Mardi Gras.
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 12:51:04
Quite simply, the collective Sound Pressure Level measured in db at the nearest perimeter to residents has a level set, normally about 3db obove ambient (normal for that time of day) levels. You can breathe louder than 3db quite easily so it's not a lot and controlling it is tough.
So, in short, it's the combination of all 3 venues at Sleaze that will affect the overall level and the subsequent lowering that WILL occur once the dead of night sets in and things like traffic and city noise subsides.
Any outside venues need to be especially designed and monitored as these will, because they don't have 'real' walls, contribute disproportionately to the overall level.
The most common area of the audio frequency spectrum that causes problems is the very low frequency 'thump thump thump' from 30Hz up to around 60Hz. As lower frequencies have longer wavelengths, this is understandable. It's a lot easier to control the mids and high frequencies when contained by walls.
Ways to help, you ask? Given my experience at outdoor gigs with noise limitations, let me offer a few suggestions - Adequate Budget, Proper Speaker selection and Appropriate Tuning:
'Adequate Budget' allows for more speaker boxes to be placed at smaller 'gaps' around each of the venues to allow for better coverage at lower level per box. Suppliers cost their systems by equipment - you get what you pay for (even after they all give massive discounts to organisations like Mardi Gras, Pride, etc.).
'Proper Speaker' selection means choosing speakers that 'throw' the sound to suit the required distance. There is no point in using a long throw speaker system if the distance required is only 20metres, as is the case in most of the venues to which we refer. The big companies in this city have a miriad of different systems for different applications. The smaller companies, by nature of being only able to afford one or other, generally are restricted in choice and quality.
'Appropriate Tuning' means a system that is 'clean' across all frequencies. This also relates to 'Speaker System' selection as some systems used do give messy, 'all over the place' bass response (a definite bad choice for Fox Studios). A clean sound does not have to be loud as everyone, even if they would prefer it rubbling their guts, can still hear the music when noise limitations apply.
Finally, in the old days, Mardi Gras had a granted 'Governor's Licence' to transmit 'White Noise' towards the residents to the East of the venues. This 'hash' that isn't particularly offensive at a distance actually artificially raised the ambient level at the perimeter. The music was then allowed to go the allowed db level above this 'new' and created ambient level. It was a total con. So if you think the levels have dropped over recent years, it's not your hearing from too many dance parties - you're right.
Hope this helps explain what Luke and others have had to endure trying to express their wares to you.
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 27 Aug 2004 13:53:57
At least they got back to you... some people didn't recieve a response at all.
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 13:59:29
You're wrong, Neal hasn't done a Sleaze or Mardi Gras before so he IS "a single new face". Ryan & Shigeki have, if memory serves , just one Mardi Gras under their belt each so I would consider them kinda new too. In a hall that has been traditonally been dominated by Alex, Luke, Jake, Wayne, Paul and Greg for years, I would consider this a fresh line up.
KidRocket - Fri 27 Aug 2004 14:04:40
Telling someone to turn everything down by 3db when it's only 40 or 50Hz causing the problem is ridiculous. This, I believe, is basically what happened in the RHI at Mardi Gras. Had the company concerned (and it's not the one I work for) been given better and more specific guidance on frequencies that were causing problems, they would have easily been able to isolate those frequencies only. They are a major company and do audio for a living - respect them and support them with adequate information at all times.
End of commentary.
NG - Fri 27 Aug 2004 14:07:07
End of commentary.
NG - Fri 27 Aug 2004 14:07:07
Why would the sound be turned down 3dB? That's 50% by my reckoning. If it was such a narrow band of freqencies causing the problem, I find it hard to believe that an experienced sound desk operator would have a problem isolating the cause. It's not like you've got a live gig to work with either.
Besides this, the RHI was steamy before the party really got started, and all that heat and damp would have slowed the sound down (ie dampened the response, buffered the mid-range - which is hardest to control) hence the low quality and poor dynamic range. I know it's not an outdoor space, but the RHI is large enough for this to be a significant factor.
Let's hope it doesn't happen again. No rain dancing this time people!
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 14:30:16
arh ! there be a few errors in that statement !
the sea captain - Fri 27 Aug 2004 14:50:31
So every single DJ at this party either played at Mardi Gras or Sleaze last year. Not one new face in either the RHI or Hordern. That's not fresh.
- Fri 27 Aug 2004 17:25:09
Moving onto more important matters - it would be great for NMG to make an announcement they are looking into the sound and the dreadful heat. Last time I posted and said it would take someone dying before something is done which is the usual way for the world today, but would be great to
be proven wrong. I remember a few Mardi Gras ? ago they had these blowers and it did make "some" difference and I doubt they cost much to hire ?
Dont skimp on the Hordern dance floor like last year, my feet only just recovered :)
Just busting - Fri 27 Aug 2004 20:00:22
We lighting guys have been informed on who is lighting sleaze ball this year, all will be confirmed when we have signed contracts etc. Alan Parkinson has been asked to do the RHI and I have been asked to do the Hordern. It hasn't been quite what we expected as neither of us are designing the lighting rigs, we are just operating and programming somebody else design.
Apparently Mardi Gras "ran out of time", therefore the equipment supplier will be designing both the lighting rigs. Its seems that this decision was made prior to Alan and I meeting with Mardi Gras on Tuesday night to present our ideas. Basically it means that we wasted our time and effort on Tuesday night (and weeks prior) and our ideas were never going to mean anything at the meeting we had.
Even though the I feel that process is fuc#ed and Mardi gras has failed I am still quite happy to be involved with the party. Its one of the two parties that us designers live for. Mardi Gras and Sleaze Ball are the two largest Gay and Lesbian dance parties in the world, of course we want to be part of them. However, next year I may not be part of the lighting team but may try and get on the board so that this and im sure now other transparent processes can never happen like this again.
Brad W - Fri 27 Aug 2004 20:49:25
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.
Perhaps the "retro space DJ's" intend on playing
SLEEZY RETRO....???
Leave the "retro" for Mardi Gras.
This style of music is much more suited to Mardi Gras.
Use this area to show case some new up & coming QUEER DJ's.
Seems to me the opportunities for newer less established DJ's are so limited this would be the ideal time give them some exposure and god forbid some support.
It's not that I don't like "retro" music, I just think once a year is enough.
Once Yearly - Fri 27 Aug 2004 22:57:03
Well I've shut up for long enough. At a cost of approximately $300+ just to put in a submission, how come the DJs aren't getting paid for advertising the corporate product? If you've told someone the name of the song and where to get it, that's advertising. If we knew the fees were going back to the artists, we'ld probably be happier to pay!
Professor - Private gigs only, for obvious reasons. - Fri 27 Aug 2004 23:51:40
I agree with the once yearly retro space.
This area (wherever it is), would act as a great showcasing platform for NEW / FRESH gay & lesbian talents.
It's not like the party will be musically deprived there are 6 established DJ's playing as well.
Taking a trek down nostalgia alley is ok, but not every party.
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 02:04:30
What a potential complete travesty of fair trading, let alone potentially getting the best designed product for OUR Mardi Gras.
Did tenders go out to all major players in both the lighting and audio world for this event? Did Mardi Gras, as recommended by it's previous Treasurer, get 3 quotes and compared the gear and the price with a technical advisor independent of anyone making money out of the event? Is Mardi Gras getting the best value for money whilst maintaining transparency and accountability?
Folks, the answer to all 3 questions appears to be NO.
Bloody ridiculous. I've spoken to the key players at NMG regarding some of these matters and all the words spoken suggested that the process would be better this time. I'm very, very disappointed to, as it appears, have been lied to.
Mark, you're the Co-Boss... What the hell is going on mate. Please explain.
On a nicer note, go the Kookaburras! Even if we can't get our act together here, the Aussies have in Athens. And, of note, a large proportion of the technical team for the Opening and Closing Ceremonies (including the audio) is from Australia. Have a nice weekend.
Noisy Gypsy - Sat 28 Aug 2004 06:47:58
is someone at NMG hell bent on re-creating Dome style no matter what ? At MG they advertised Hordern would be both Tribal and Hard and it was Domes Tribal style all night.
Now Hordern is virtually all Dome style DJ's.
I could understand if the Hordern was not filling to the Hardstyle it so famous for but it was always packed.
I can understand Dome lovers will be happy but must they completely wipe out a style and replace with another ?
And yes I do have a choice to not go.
Disappointed. - Sat 28 Aug 2004 08:10:56
pssssst .... dunno if you've heard this yet ... but "hardstyle" is kinda dead. no one wants to dance to machine guns anymore
jack yo body - Sat 28 Aug 2004 11:15:48
- Who uses excuse 2 often. - Sat 28 Aug 2004 11:38:08
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 12:05:59
Interesting to know what happened to House, Funk HOuse, Hard House & Hard Trance. Hopefully nobody wasted their time submitting for those styles. Also intrigued to know which one of these categories Mike Kelly fits into (that's not a criticism of style - just wondering thats all). Given that all the DJs who have been selected for Sleaze have played the last two parties, I'm thinking that they were predetermined prior to any selection process.
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 12:15:00
Sometimes it pays to tell the truth.
Evil Twin - with very short nails - Sat 28 Aug 2004 14:50:06
Remembering that the Australian public voted for our current government.
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 16:33:35
I remember the Hordern with djs like steven allkins etc, and yes a few with harder djs too (but then i also remember the dome as featuring trance line-ups too (like when gonzalo etc played). But either way, sure neil and ryan and shigeki will be pumping out some good trance in the rhi
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 12:15:00
i haven't ever played sleaze before. also, funky house is always a big part of my sound, whilst for sleaze it will be catering to a big space rather than chicago house etc. mashed in a dash of progressive, tribal, tech and breaks, maybe even some.... trance:)
mk - Sat 28 Aug 2004 18:00:11
I simply cannot stop listening to that track! I think my poor neighbours must know the lyrics off by heart by now, hehe. Good thing they’re not religious!
There aren’t too many tracks that I’ve heard played on both Saturday and Sunday nights respectively at ARQ, but this is one, and it really pumps! Great song!!
I like the DJ line-up in the RHI, and already feeling the excitement starting to build! Of course, there are many DJ’s not playing who we would have loved to hear (Josh, Luke Leal, Steven Hales et al.) But then again, if all our favourite DJ’s were rostered on to play, there’d be so many that the sets would only be 15 minutes long!
In any event, we’ll be able to hear those who aren’t playing at Sleaze somewhere over the course of the weekend, perhaps at QN and/or ARQ and/or The Shift.
Looks like this might be a big one. Sure hope so!!
jeffgg - Sat 28 Aug 2004 18:20:04
You could have gone to Two Tribes...
I'm sick of hearing this complaint - Sat 28 Aug 2004 18:52:36
There are only 35 Days (or 5 weeks) to Sleaze Ball !!!
There are only 35 Days (or 5 weeks) to Sleaze Ball !!!
There are only 35 Days (or 5 weeks) to Sleaze Ball !!!
There are only 35 Days (or 5 weeks) to Sleaze Ball !!!
There are only 35 Days (or 5 weeks) to Sleaze Ball !!!
- Sat 28 Aug 2004 19:01:44
So no one is allowed to voice an opinion ? was not talking about two tribes.........was talking about how Hordern style just dumped when it was so popular and more a question as to why ? than a complaint.
Sick of your type not taking the time to think - Sat 28 Aug 2004 20:16:21
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
There are only 34 days to Sleaze Ball.
countdownboy - Sun 29 Aug 2004 02:50:35
sounds like a complaint to me
house is more popular than "hardstyle" & I agree that you may be better off going to TwoTribes with the raver kiddies if you wanna hear that kind of stuff
jack yo body - Sun 29 Aug 2004 17:02:09
Didnt realise you were a comedian jack yo body........
had me fooled for awhile there.
Laughing very hard - Sun 29 Aug 2004 22:48:00
There are 33 days to Sleaze Ball Hooray !
There are 33 days to Sleaze Ball Hooray !
There are 33 days to Sleaze Ball Hooray !
There are 33 days to Sleaze Ball Hooray !
There are 33 days to Sleaze Ball Hooray !
countdownboy - Mon 30 Aug 2004 01:23:52
Basically it was the 2nd most popular style at the parties and was missed at mardi gras and will be sorely missed at sleaze if I go.
And " yo body " if your style was so popular why has there never been a hall for it ? at Fox .
Traditionally at dance parties its been the trance/hardhouse/tribal along with commercial stuff that is the most popular to dance too.
Maybe someone at NMG doesnt like hardhouse ?
So I am wondering why also ? - Mon 30 Aug 2004 11:09:30
that may be the most ignorant statement written on this wall so far. congratulations !
btw: you do sound like a kiddy raver. they class it as "hardstyle". everyone else called it hardhouse. enjoy TwoTribes
Mr Panties - Mon 30 Aug 2004 12:31:27
If anybody should be bitterly complaining its the traditional hard core RHI punters who in the last three to four years have gradually had "their" space which for as long as the RHI has been used has been a space solely devoted to non stop cheesy girly camp commercial music. In these last three to four years the RHI has dwindled away to a selection of DJ's who have either played that God damn awful American party circuit tribal stuff (the type you hear upstairs at Arq on Saturdays) or now trance or variations of trance.
It's my predection on Sleaze night that the lovers of girly pop commercial music will walk into the RHI and probably find DJ Shegeki acceptable till he knocks off at 1am but when Neil starts they will be in for a real culture shock. Personally I am convinced that the Retro Space is going to thrive because of this factor.A lot of the regualr RHI'ers who like the poppy music will definitely not cope with Neil and I just bet they'll flock to the retro area which we all know will be playing more cheese that you can poke a stick at.
Mardi Gras have a tough enough job putting on their two annual parties. The restrictions placed on them by Fox are enormous and expensive. They do the best they can to try to please everybody. Invariably someone is always going to be disappointed. Whinging and moaning on this topic over and over again (yes I think its the same person doing it) given the really hard work Mardi Gras do all in a voluntary capacity is simply mean spirited. Maybe you'd like to join party committee and try to cater to about 5 different styles of music whilst only having the 2 main halls to do it in. Infant school mathematics would tell you that five divided by two doesn't give you a whole number.
Have a nice day.
My 5 cents worth - Mon 30 Aug 2004 12:54:37
Just because you're not blessed with an open mind to appreciate other music styles outside of what you like doesn't make it "God damn awful". How can anyone be so arrogant as to believe only the music they love and want to hear is the only one that matters? It's like saying 'only one religion counts, all the others are worthless because it's not what I believe'. You don't have to like "American party circuit tribal stuff" and you certainly don't have to enjoy it but there are lots of people who do and by writing it off you completely devauled your argument.
KidRocket - Mon 30 Aug 2004 13:46:51
Yes please tell me more as well.
'cause i'm strong enough - Mon 30 Aug 2004 15:17:46
Could some of the DJ's perhaps collaborate and put together a playlist of say half a dozen tracks typical of each of these styles and post it here or on their websites? I know what I really love dancing to when I hear it, but wouldn't have a clue what it is "defined" as. It would just make it a bit easier to follow this discussion on styles if I had some idea what music is defined as what. Ruby always has short sample files to play of his current favourites on his website, and I guess his style is uplifting trance?
RetroHardTrancedTribally Confused - Mon 30 Aug 2004 16:10:21
I hate to say this, jeffgg, but this would have to be one of the lamest tracks out there at the moment. I certainly wouldn't class it as trance. Maybe girly/cheesy house is a better description? I would be very surprised if Neal, who is all class and thankfully tends to steer well clear of the cheese, plays this one at the start of his set. :p
Trance Boy - Mon 30 Aug 2004 16:16:14
Go to neal crawfords site and you'll find a pretty representative sample of what he plays.
- Mon 30 Aug 2004 16:32:50
Words totally fail me with your naive and aggressively rude remark.
When people make a comment on this board they are speaking for themselves.
Therefore I totally and utterly stand by my comment that American Party Circuit tribal music is GOD DAMN AWFUL.
That is my opinion. I wasn't speaking for you, I wasn't speaking for John Howard , I wasn't speaking for my flatmate and I certainly wasn't speaking for my next door neighbours 15 year old daughter all of whom may actually like "that" sort of "music". My "God damn awful" comments is expressing how I feel on this topic.
If you like that sort of "stuff" then thats your perogitive although please allow me to state that in my opinion your taste in music leaves a lot to be desired.
Am I not entitled to this opinion ? Of course I am.
Next time you wanna rabble on just remember that your abusing someone who has posted a comment that represents their own personal feelings on a topic. If you disagree then say so but dont be a total (insert swear word here) about it.
Lets have a dance at Sleaze and kiss and make up. I'll meet you in the retro space ;)
My 5 cents worth - Mon 30 Aug 2004 16:48:21
- Mon 30 Aug 2004 16:50:49
Thank you for the support of many of the posters on Pinkboard its going to be a great party...
Ryan Murphy - Mon 30 Aug 2004 17:10:32
This site may help you. Try the links, they have streaming media down loads you can listen to from each style.
http://www.ravelinks.com/musicgenres.htm
Enjoy!
u.w. - ELECTIONS.....finally!!! :-) - Mon 30 Aug 2004 17:23:59
just ask the dj - they don't usually bite unless someone forgot to feed them
- Mon 30 Aug 2004 18:14:35
- aka Grant Moore - Mon 30 Aug 2004 22:47:31
nice one Panther.
www.lukeleal.com - aka 'Jack Wilde' - Mon 30 Aug 2004 23:32:05
Sorry, I won't be going anywhere near there, I think retro is god damn awful.
**irony warning**
KidRocket - Tue 31 Aug 2004 00:03:57
hehe
Lil - luscious in leather - Tue 31 Aug 2004 00:09:57
My partners name is Benjy Bonck.
Shanobear - Tue 31 Aug 2004 06:06:20
- Tue 31 Aug 2004 07:03:17
- Tue 31 Aug 2004 08:20:51
- Tue 31 Aug 2004 08:43:26
Nighttime porn name: DJ Shanika Danika Laquita Shinay'nay Mooisha Black
now i want to know if neal will have any change to his name?
ryan murphy - Tue 31 Aug 2004 09:36:15
Love the colour and a good chase is always a turn-on!
So I'm the legend, Hunt Blue ;-)
u.w. - Hunt Blue...Red inside with a touch of Green! - Tue 31 Aug 2004 11:38:57
There are 32 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are 32 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are 32 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are 32 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are 32 Days To Sleaze Ball
- Porn name 'Rodd Buttocks' BAHAHAHA !!! - Tue 31 Aug 2004 12:06:26
if you read all the posts you would see people refer to it has hardstyles with emphasis on styles as there is hardhouse,hardtrance,hardnrg and many more. If you were referring to my post , I can assure at age 48 I am not a
kiddy raver...........
Dont weigh into an issue without noting all the posts.
Thank you.
Dont sound off half cocked :) - Tue 31 Aug 2004 13:37:21
- or "Tinker Wanganui" - Tue 31 Aug 2004 14:00:02
That is good -but imagine if it was muffy school.
- Tue 31 Aug 2004 16:28:43
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
There are now only 31 Days To Sleaze Ball
- Wed 1 Sep 2004 13:40:56
My porn name is Tristan Puller!
Hilarious!
- Wed 1 Sep 2004 17:58:51
Gossip...we need some gossip!
- Wed 1 Sep 2004 20:24:18
There are now 30 days To Sleaze Ball !!!
There are now 30 days To Sleaze Ball !!!
There are now 30 days To Sleaze Ball !!!
There are now 30 days To Sleaze Ball !!!
There are now 30 days To Sleaze Ball !!!
- Thu 2 Sep 2004 09:04:22
I'm really hoping for Paulini to perform the big one at 1am... that would be amazing and she's first rate, better than most of the imports that we ever get in for the shows. Who else? I can only think of the girl group Slinkee Minx (current song "Summer Rain" in the top 10). Kinda cheesy but the song goes off and would really go over well as it's high energy and popular. What about the drag shows? I don't know much about that scene but of course Courtney Act would also be a hit.
Bone Zeus - Thu 2 Sep 2004 10:37:25
Puhhhleeease! Are we talking about the same party here? Paulini + Drag + Porn = an equation that does not compute.
Nino Balls - Thu 2 Sep 2004 13:27:37
I thought the first rumour was that it would be a diva from the 80s?
Pornstar Girl - Thu 2 Sep 2004 13:41:50
If it isn't a diva from the 80s then it will be someone dragging it up as a diva from the 80s.
The Russian gymnast last year was great, and in keeping with the theme maybe we should have a couple going at it like gnarly teenagers!
Ryan Slides - Thu 2 Sep 2004 17:31:52
there's also a new one called 'right here's the spot' that is pretty perfect
- Thu 2 Sep 2004 19:07:52
This is more than a rumour but think celebrities, self-made porn films (even if dodgy made) Robbie Williams.
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- Fri 3 Sep 2004 00:37:28
Nice idea, but I suspect 90% of the punters wouldn't know who you're talking about (unless they watch that holiday show on BBC World).
But Toya does have to go down in history for having one of the weirdest hit singles ever: "AAAAYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAH!"
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- Sat 4 Sep 2004 00:02:50
And fans to circulate the air in the RHI please.
Please NMG - Sat 4 Sep 2004 09:48:06
a completely positive post !?!?! .. how did that get past the moderators !!! ;-) LOL
- Sat 4 Sep 2004 14:12:41
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Please - Sun 5 Sep 2004 12:05:12
For F... sake stop begging, please.
If you want some relief go outside and get some fresh air, its free !!
Enjoy the retro space, that'll be outside I think.
A few fans wont make much of a difference - Sun 5 Sep 2004 12:16:35
I'm betting there will be HEAPS of fans in the RHI as well as fans in the Hordern as well as thousands of fans in the Retro space.
I'm a HUGE Neil Crawford fan and i'm positive all of my fan activity will be just fine on the night thank you very much :P
fan-bloody-tastic - Sun 5 Sep 2004 18:56:41
hahahahahah love your work!! :)
- Sun 5 Sep 2004 19:57:16
There are only 26 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are only 26 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are only 26 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are only 26 Days to Sleaze Ball
There are only 26 Days to Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Mon 6 Sep 2004 00:07:51
have you volunteered?
have you offered to put your mouth where it can really be used to help with setting up this mamoth event which is essentially staffed by volunteers.
you may find that it could be one of the most rewarding things youll ever do and someone might even listen to your brilliant suggestions. they will most probably be so pleased to have you there that they will even put up with your whinging. hey you could even find someone with better dress sense than your lover..... or at least some that might create and out fit that youll like better.
oh and when she was last here, kylie charged $140,booking fee for one venue and 2hrs of show.
sleaze is huge value @ 10hrs, 6 or more shows and out of the 1000's that will be there, there will have to be someone that you like the way theyare dressed and you can guarentee no matter which dj is playing it is going to sound better than you whinging.
go in peace honey, raise you hands above your head and be happy you have the chance to go to dance, spin and play all night.
Bring it on - does anyone know how to make a camera jock strap? - Mon 6 Sep 2004 00:42:30
Surely this is a put up !! What a crack up
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 14:12:24
Well the rest of us will have improved chances of enjoying ourselves if you:
a) leave your shoulder bag at home or check it in ... just don't bring it onto the dancefloor;
b) leave your terrified boyfriend at home or check it in ... just don't bring it onto the dancefloor;
c) don't wear high heels that act as weapons of toe destruction on the dancefloor; and
d) tie your long flowing hair up into some sensible hairstyle and not flick it into ppl's faces as you do your thing on the dancefloor.
But seriously tho, sleaze is huge; but just remember you will be a guest and should respect where and with whom you are partying ... it's not some teenie rave.
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Mon 6 Sep 2004 14:34:53
Paper mache!
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 14:53:02
SEE U ON THE DANCEFLOOR GIRLFRIEND!
ENJOY!!!!
YeeHaa - Mon 6 Sep 2004 15:41:54
Do I mind one 18yo straight girl coming along? Nah. They don't take up much room. Come with a good attitude, and wear your boots.
*insert tongue in cheek* oh, and you'll have to pass the Secret Sleaze Virgin Initiation Rites. See me for details. :-)
Evil Twin - Mon 6 Sep 2004 15:52:45
YeeHaa - Mon 6 Sep 2004 15:41:54
Excuse me, Please don't EVER be so RUDE as to presume to speak for everyone saying "WE" welcome straight boys and girls at our parties. I certainly do NOT welcome this element at our parties and I begrudge others thinking they speak for the whole community when clearly they are only expressing their OWN personal opinion.
To the 18yo girl, Personally I'd rather you stay away unless you intend on bringing a bunch of gay boys or dyke girls with you.
Keeping our parties bent - Mon 6 Sep 2004 16:14:17
I'm not sure that would stand up to the rigours of 10+ hours of sweaty dancing! Perhaps you should just wear your camera and tie the straps into the appropriate places. Could be some intersting shots.
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 16:14:23
Grow the hell up - this is 2004 not 1984. If a straight person were to say that about say Transmission at the Sydney Superdome, he would be classified as being homophoic, yet you think you can get away with comments like that?????
Whatever happened to acceptance huh??
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 17:04:04
This is clearly the opinion of one person and does not represent the opinion of the community as a whole.
It certainly does not represent my opinion on this topic.
A gay party is a gay party - Mon 6 Sep 2004 17:05:33
I am very accepting of str8's at str8 venues/parties .. i just don't see why i have to put up with their gawking, arrogance, and rudeness on a GLBT dancefloor is all.
I am not trying to get away with anything except express MY opinion.
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Mon 6 Sep 2004 18:59:34
If we ever want to be accepted at an event like Transmission it's up to us to accept straight girls and boys at our dance parties.
warm fuzzies - Mon 6 Sep 2004 21:25:55
Secondly, as others have pointed out, acceptance is a two way street. Yes it is our event, yes it is our party, but we also musn't discriminate against those in straight community who not discriminate against us.
My mixed group of friends are always welcome to embrace a sense of fun and frivolity and party with me.
Perhaps it's not only some of the members of the straight community who need to leave their judgements and discrimination at the door, but some of us also. It is not fair for us to generalise that 'all' straight people stare, are rude, or are arrogant, just as not all of the GLBT community are.
Looking forward to a fun night with my friends - Mon 6 Sep 2004 22:26:50
Segragation is not the answer ..... isn't it all about assimiliation? Just because str8's may not accept us, we don't have to stoop to their level. Let us set the standards for them and educate them....
we are all humans!!!!! - Mon 6 Sep 2004 22:34:34
Hook, line and sinker! Sheesh how many people can get suckered in ...don't fall for the bait!
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 22:39:13
http://www.mardigras.org.au/Support/Volunteer.htm
- Mon 6 Sep 2004 22:50:46
Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is? If we were 'assimilated' then there'd be no GLBT events ... d'uh !!! LOL
The vibe and energy of GLBT parties is brought about by their very 'queerness' -- not by trying to 'str8' them down.
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Mon 6 Sep 2004 23:55:46
There are 25 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 25 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 25 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 25 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 25 days to Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Tue 7 Sep 2004 08:58:16
With a new bar, new line-up & a new look, SMOOCH will be a great option for a RECOVERY.
Come up for a breath of fresh air...
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 10:30:44
If you don't believe me, check out some of the old grafitti walls for Mardi Gras and last years Sleaze. Each time there is a party, the same old suspects start thier tired diatribe and someone always bites back.
If you don't like retro, the DJ's, straights and/or the sound in the RHI, then don't go! How simple is that?
If you're going to whinge at least try to come up with something original for a change!
Shanobear - Tue 7 Sep 2004 10:39:23
1. Didnt mardi gras fail before, surely we welcome anyone with an open mind who wants to buy a ticket to keep New Mardi Gras alive?
2. The comment re transmission - true, if some people are going to be narrow minded about who comes to out party then so should every straight party. We dont think so.
3. We (glbt) community are always asking for acceptance of this and that yet we dont want to invite straight people to our party. We cant have one without the other.
In a nutshell I have told her not to worry and to listen to her big brothers advice on what happens at a party, what she may or may not see, what to wear, what not to bring - and this does not include her boyfriend... he will be in attendace and they may even kiss each other in the middle of the dance floor - (shocking for some in the community im sure).
Fianlly at the end of the day its a dance party which raises money for our community, so after the party I will thank my sister and her straight friends for coming and heping NMG stay alive.
Brad W - Tue 7 Sep 2004 11:26:15
Yeah that's right! Why do we need events that segregate and discriminate based on your sexual preference? For god's sake it's only a party....
Take this analogy for example, if Michael Edgley (a hetrosexual male and promoter) decides to put another Madonna concert on and then says it is only a hetro event and as such only hetros should attend how would that make you feel (assuming you are/were a madonna fan : P)?
pot calling the kettle black - this kettle is a plastic white plug-in-the-wall type! - Tue 7 Sep 2004 12:35:41
You're hosting a birthday party for your best friend. He's had a bit of a rough time and feels he has been let down by various people over the years, so prefers to spend time with people he knows he can trust.
You invite all your mutual friends - people you both care about and feel comfortable around. You've put a lot of effort into securing a venue, entertainment etc so you will all have a great night and a wonderful shared experience. Some of your friends may bring friends that you and your friend don't know, but they are your friends and you trust their judgement.
However, some people you've never met, who don't know the guest of honour or any of your friends, don't have much at all in common with any of you, but have heard on the grapevine that you thow a great party, would like to come as well.
Are you under any obligation to let them attend, when you know it may make your friend uncomfortable? Even if they offer to bring a present?
CeeJay - Tue 7 Sep 2004 14:06:56
Well if she is so 'horrified' and offended by what she reads here as individual opinions, perhaps she should stay in her sanitised world and leave the GLBT party for GLBT partiers and not sibling gawkers? LOL
Well now that NMG appear to be making a Retro space a regular at the parties, maybe it's time to have a Str8's and Their M8's space as well? At least there hasn't been an argument yet about having Guys Only and Girls Only spaces. ;-)
It is my recollection that Mardi Gras hit the financial wall, not from lack of attendaces at the dance parties, but by basically pandering to every esoteric group with financially unviable projects, and pure mismanagement. Coincidentally, this happened in the era of allowing str8's into the parties.
To be totally honest, I don't give a toss how many str8 gawkers come to the parties -- so long as they behave themselves and remember they are guests. It's just my preference for them not to be there.
Just out of curiosity Brad, was your sis also horrified reading your tantrum over not getting the lighting design job and being relegated to mere operator? ;-)
But seriously, I hope that after taking copious amounts of chill pills your sis gets whatever it is she is seeking from attending Sleaze and moves on.
Take this analogy for example,
pot calling the kettle black - this kettle is a plastic white plug-in-the-wall type! - Tue 7 Sep 2004 12:35:41
Whilst Micheal Edgley may well be male, and may well be a promoter, I would not presume anything more about him -- except the fact that he is not a community based organisation organising dance parties for the benefit of members of that community. And Madonna is so yester-drear that the hetros are welcome to have her concerts to themselves ;-)
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Tue 7 Sep 2004 14:50:41
Whether I personally would like to see the actions, given my slightly broader activities, is irrelevant. It's about etiquette and respect. We have very limited spaces where we can express our passion to each other reasonably openly (I don't mean sex, just kissing etc.).
Plenty of so-called "straight", and supportive, people frequent our venues and 95% of them show the respect element. After all, they know well how "their" majority community treat and still discriminate our community in general.
"Straight" people are welcome to come with their gay & lesbian friends but just remember your etiquette. Easy really.
NG - Tue 7 Sep 2004 15:16:03
The gay community has a history of fighting to be accepted by the wider community, and I do not believe that we can expect that kind of acceptance from the wider community if we are prepared to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation or any other reason for that matter. Are we really within our right to discriminate just because we are a minority?
GLBT events will always be GLBT events if they are organised by the GLBT community, and if there are straight people who want to come along and support our community then they should be welcomed with open arms. After all, we get to go to straight parties if we want to and those parties remain straight.
“I am very accepting of str8's at str8 venues/parties .. i just don't see why i have to put up with their gawking, arrogance, and rudeness on a GLBT dancefloor is all.”
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Mon 6 Sep 2004 18:59:34
I am very accepting of gay's at gay venues/parties .. i just don't see why i have to put up with their gawking, arrogance, and rudeness on a str8 dancefloor is all.
How does that sound to you???
If people want to tar all straight people with the same brush are they prepared to tarred with the gay brush by the straight community who may choose to presume that all gay people mince around in sequins, talk like girls and have AIDS?
We need to be able to give back what we get from other parts of the community. IE: Acceptance, care, and if those are too hard, then a little tolerance.
Anyway, I am very much looking forward to having a good tiime at Sleaze, and i'm certain that nothing will stop me.
Not a retro space.
Not the DJ Choice.
Not a lack of fans.
Not straight people.
Lets just all look forward to having some fun! - Tue 7 Sep 2004 15:26:57
The past few MG parties have been open for anybody to buy tickets from ticketek and it has not caused any problems. There has not been an influx of straight 'tourists' to our parties and the parties are just as gay as ever. I think most straight people out there have better things to do than pay $100 for something that they're not a part of in any way... and the ones that do come along ARE a part of it.
I for one can't wait to party with both my gay and straight friends on the night.
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 15:33:41
At the end of the day, i know that going to a big party like this wouldn't be the same without my straight friends and quite a few of mine do a lot more voluntary work for mardi gras then half you lot on pink-board, so watch what your saying......
I also wouldn't say that the last organisation went down for not letting straight people into their parties - hey went down for making mistakes and not moving with the times. Something that is very important for the new organisation to do and they are fully aware of that ....
I think you've got a bit of a conflict on here - the younger crowd (which mardi gras needs to bring in to its parties for the organisation to survive) likes to bring straight friends with them and dare I say it the older crowd that are used to the parties of the 80's and 90's where they were predominantly gay and lesbian that wish they would stay that way???? I think we all have to look to the future more than how we look at the past........
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 15:37:57
People really need to start looking at things differently.
Its not about wether or not someone is gay or straight, its about wether or not they're an enlightened happy friendly partier or a feral ignorant annoying f#^kwit.
That distinction has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality, despite how it usually works out.
The crowd at Above and Beyond at Arq on friday were a perfect example of this. There was a LOT of str8 guys there, however none were aggressive or drunk, none were with girls (actually there was almost no girls there at all), and all were smiling and dancing with their arms in the air cheering like schoolgirls while Ric played Kiss/Vengaboys.
So, some str8's are ok :-) ..some gays arent. Its called life.
I definately dont want any ignorant people who dont get it bumping into my head space at sleaze, but that isnt the same thing as saying "no str8's", and it works both ways.
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 15:48:00
If you buy and ticket and merely go, you will not have nearly as much fun as if you make an effort to prepare something to make the night special, and then be open to whatever experience comes your way.
Enjoy
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 16:15:29
its nice your sister is coming along .... and great that she is going to see you light the room...
if shes kissing her boyfriend on the dance floor - who are you going to be kissing ????? ME maybe ????
DirtyBoi - Tue 7 Sep 2004 16:21:47
Frankly, darling, so is this debate.
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 16:29:23
That has less to do with acceptance, and more to do with e-hancement 8-)
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 16:46:36
Looking forward to having a boogie on the floor with anyone. If they're str8 ...that just means they accept us for who we are. Those are the people we need.
I'm 21, my friends are 50/50 Gay/Str8 and I'm bringing them all!
Adam - Tue 7 Sep 2004 17:24:02
What a load of bullocks! maybe if you got off the drugs you'd understand ...were you even at Above & Beyond to be able to speak 1st hand? : P
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 17:57:52
The answer to this is simple ... if it is an 'invite only' party then no they can not come without an invitation. However, if the party is open to anyone who wants to purchase a ticket, then I fail to see how you can stop someone from attending....
Peter Slappo - my unfortunate porn name - Tue 7 Sep 2004 18:08:37
Every year we have the same colourful debates about str8's attending the MG party and Sleaze. Every we have a great party , and if you want proof of this go back to the previous years' walls and check out the comments.
Sure you may get a few str8's who may gawk, be rude or say something inappropriate, but you can't let that ruin your whole night. If you are in a positive frame of mind before you go to the party then you will surely have a good time when you get there.
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 18:13:13
I can't agree with you at all!
First time I went to a dance party, I went with my partner and his straight friends. They weren't "gawkers".
I think it's fantastic so many straight friends enjoy dance parties. If not for the funds that flow in to charities, then for greater integration of communities. I've never seen any of my friends refuse a hug from any one or not return the hug, or behave in any way other than in the spirit of the party. They'll be there this time too...I hope they'll be there in every party in the I can go to.
A very happy Sleaze every one...
[and to a certain Sydney Bear called Craig who my partner and I ran in to at the Laird last week end, hope I get to see you at Sleaze...hugs! ]
u.w. - Variety...isn't it just grand! - Tue 7 Sep 2004 18:28:18
Please help!!!!!!
a girl - Tue 7 Sep 2004 21:26:47
We arent that special you know.
- Tue 7 Sep 2004 21:47:22
Lets get back on track and discuss the most important thing at Sleaze this year
RETRO SPACE
RETRO DJ's
RETRO MUSIC
RETRO RETRO RETRO
and MORE RETRO
Retro Retro Retro - Tue 7 Sep 2004 22:28:29
1. Something by Tiesto (hehe that was predictable)
2. Ferry Corsten Rock Your Body Rock (F. Massif Remix)
And maybe an oldie???
3. Energy 52 Cafe Del Mar (Marco V Remix)
Or failing any of those - my current fave: Jacob & Mendez Moondust (Airbase Remake) (v yummy!)
Haha - that lot should be good for a bit of a boogie!
Pump up the volume...
Trance Trance Trance - hehe - and I do mean Trance! - Wed 8 Sep 2004 01:00:37
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countdownboy - Wed 8 Sep 2004 08:13:22
VOLUNTEER AT SLEAZE
Sleaze Ball 2004 is less than 4 weeks away - but we still have vacancies in our volunteer roster so once again we are asking for your help!
We are looking for volunteers to help us bump-in at Fox during the week prior to the Party and have a wide range of roles available on the night - 2 October
For further info please email
SLEAZEPARTY@YAHOO.COM.AU
and reply to the questions below.
Name:
Preferred phone number:
(mobile if possible)
Preferred email address
I would like to work at Bump in: Y / N
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Thankyou!
Jules Andrews, Di Cameron and Matt Jones - Wed 8 Sep 2004 08:52:24
- Wed 8 Sep 2004 09:25:22
Trying to decide what to wear is the hard part. The choices are overalls (porn star plumber), footy kit (anyone who knows me well enough will know why), or as much leather as I can lay my hands on.
Shanobear - Wed 8 Sep 2004 14:20:07
As this is my first Sleaze, I’ll probably be up for even more gawking!
Dan Murphy - Gawk away and have fun! - Wed 8 Sep 2004 15:05:53
Give us some clues. What is your porn name?
Arti - Thomas The Great - Wed 8 Sep 2004 18:20:53
Well, you must be very well behaved. I myself am not. And yes, people gawp sometimes. And yes, we are special. This is our night.
Paul Sleaze-Bag Diamondo - Wed 8 Sep 2004 18:23:01
Footy! Thats a great idea for a costume!
Bombers scarf and a pair of tight white footy shorts...a personal tribute to Matty, Hirdy and Sheedy.
u.w. - Carn the Bombers! - Wed 8 Sep 2004 20:10:43
It depends. Do you want the camera to be functional, or do you just want a "telephoto" lens to disguise your excitement?
Professor - Good old latex can work wonders! - Wed 8 Sep 2004 21:50:43
Again and Again - Magic Marmalade
- Wed 8 Sep 2004 23:42:41
Whoever you are, I love you.
JPK - Thu 9 Sep 2004 09:00:31
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
There are 23 days to Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Thu 9 Sep 2004 09:12:52
Peter, Paul , Polly , Poofter ?
Maybe something else :P
Retro Retro Retro - Thu 9 Sep 2004 09:44:56
Scarey, huh? LOL
GLBT events should remain GBLT - This topic has had more than its 2 days in the sun - Thu 9 Sep 2004 16:09:41
That was my fave song of the era.
Well, that and...
-Force Mass Motion "Panic"
-Drax "Amphetamine" (sure I have named that wrong, but you know the one)
-The Prodigy "Wind It Up"
actually too many tracks coming into my head to write down. Think I might have to do that kind of retro set soon
MJK - Thu 9 Sep 2004 18:21:09
I hope its not that string piece from Cher's 'If I could turn back time' videoclip.
Cause I've seen it already baby, and yes it was on a bloke.
H - Thu 9 Sep 2004 19:29:26
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
There Are 22 Days To Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Fri 10 Sep 2004 00:02:19
I am more interested in what you will not be wearing ... now that may get me gawking! : )
- Fri 10 Sep 2004 00:51:12
Let's do a one off night somewhere of a "retro" set of that era and style.
JPK - Fri 10 Sep 2004 08:42:37
Well I'm finally getting a bit excited and I just thought I'd give you all an update on how my Sleaze Ball preperations are going for those of you who will be keen to spend some time in the Retro Space on the big night.
Only last night I finished a process where I physically went through every CD and every piece of vinyl I own jotting down on a short list retro styled tracks that I think would be worth a spin on the night given the time slot I'm playing (2am-6am).
Unfortunately the term short list is a bit of a joke as my poor little short list has blown out to a very big long list of about 125 tracks. Now given I only need about 40 tracks for my 4 hour set it seems the selectors knives are going to have to be cruel and sharp in the culling process !
This morning I culled the big list down to about 70 tracks so there's still a lot of work to be done but I'm happy I'm making progress.
I spoke with the other DJ in the Retro space for the night (Jimmy Dee) during the week and we are going to compare are lists on the weekend and (hopefully) our tracks selections dont overlap too much LOL !!
Ive spoken with NMG in recent days and have a clearer picture what/where the Retro space will look like. Its a very different idea and I'm sure it will be very popular on the night. Shame I can't tell you all now.
Anyhow thats all for now my friends. If you have any specific requests for the night please feel free to leave it on this wall or if your too shy to do that please email me at stephens_inbox@hotmail.com
I look forward to playing on the night and meeting some of you regular pinkboarders that Ive never met. See you there !
Stephen Blomfield - In Preperation mode - Fri 10 Sep 2004 08:43:17
New Mardi Gras could change (improve) something by making their primary Entertainers, the DJs, happy from Day One by simply asking them what equipment they would like to work with. If they want a Pioneer, give them one, if they want an Allen & Heath, give them one. The difference in hire cost of these items is NO more than $10-20/Day - not much to keep them happy, is it?
If Tina Arena is singing and she requests a certain type of Radio Mic or In-Ear Monitoring, you don't say NO, you can't have that because this is what we are giving you, do you?
So, New Mardi Gras, don't allow that sort of arrogance to be dished out to our DJs by contractors!
By the way, Tiesto worked on 2 x Pioneer DJM600s at the Athens Olympics - his request.
Had my bitch. Have a great weekend all.
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 10 Sep 2004 13:28:10
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 10 Sep 2004 13:28:10
A bit off topic, but has anyone heard if there is a recording of Tiesto's olympic set that doesn't have the annoying commentary all over it?
- Fri 10 Sep 2004 14:30:46
Its that simple.
One would trust that someone older would have the wisdom to know that the poster is not an indication that your not welcome, whereas the idiots under 23 who arent wise enough to know this need to be pandered to :)
Its not ageist, its an indication that youve forgotten how to be old and wise? :-)
It will all be ok in 2096 when we have a gay president and MG can be government funded. Then we can have charities for each of our 27 gay subculture "minorities" :-)
- Fri 10 Sep 2004 16:28:47
at..... ?
on .......?
you fill in the rest and I am soooo there mister
mjk - Fri 10 Sep 2004 17:24:38
well, I'm Hunter Blue...couple more and we can be the Blues brothers!
u.w. - party hard, but don't forget to vote... - Fri 10 Sep 2004 18:29:53
Thanks...the waiting was hard enough as was!
can I tempt you with a small bribe for the information ? ;-)
- Fri 10 Sep 2004 18:39:13
There are now only 21 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 21 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 21 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 21 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
There are now only 21 Days to Sleaze Ball !!
countdownboy - Sat 11 Sep 2004 09:30:56
I reckon they should do a special show at Sleaze as a tribute to countdownboy.
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- Sat 11 Sep 2004 10:59:43
I'll bring my bag of tricks.
- Sat 11 Sep 2004 11:38:24
i definitely think we need some Wang Chung!
air kises and cyber-glitter to you
Ms Golightly - Sat 11 Sep 2004 17:20:21
We Close Our Eyes, Dance Hall Days or King Of Wishful Thinking?
I was going to suggest to Stephen some Bette Midler - Knights In Black Leather... I'm sure there will be more than a few of those around the place that night, including me!
Shanobear - Sat 11 Sep 2004 22:09:37
We Close Our Eyes, Dance Hall Days or King Of Wishful Thinking?
Oh dear , Oh Dear. "We Close Our Eyes" isnt Wang Chung. Go West I believe was the group in question.
Sorry Shanobear, Off to 80's Retro Revision school for you :P
Stephen Blomfield - Sat 11 Sep 2004 23:00:28
Oh dear how could I have made such a mistake? lol
I guess that's what happens after only an hours sleep and spending part of saturday night at a family function with the dj from hell playing! My brain had obviously gone to bed before the rest of my body last night!
Everybody have fun tonight! lol
Shanobear - Sun 12 Sep 2004 07:32:13
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
Its getting close now - Only 20 Days to Sleaze Ball !
countdownboy - Sun 12 Sep 2004 08:19:16
My porn name is "Lolita Vulva"
I love it! hehehheehhe.
a girl - Sun 12 Sep 2004 12:42:42
- Sun 12 Sep 2004 13:51:45
We can all only imagine the culling that must have gone on (and the anguish accompanying it no doubt) with the tracks! I can't wait to hear your set at the party, and if I were to post any requests it would be to hear absolutely anything from 1994-1997. Although I enjoy quite a lot of the current music, the fun, happy, smiley tracks of those years will always be welcome sounds to my ears!
Only 20 sleeps sleeps to go (thanx Countdownboy) - Sun 12 Sep 2004 15:26:16
MJK, we should talk more about this event.
Retro retro retro - the "P" doesn't stand for anything quite as fitting as "poofter". Just plain old "Patrick".
JPK - Sun 12 Sep 2004 17:59:21
I had to go to the Shift tonight for some retro lessons from Ms Golighty and the wonderful Rodney Deane!
I can only appoligise for my slip last night but I will more than make up for it on the night of Sleaze dancing my tush off to the fabulous Stephen!
Shanobear - curse those cheap beers at the shift!!! lol - Sun 12 Sep 2004 22:58:46
Do I play 4 or 5 Pet Shop Boys tracks on Sleaze night ;)
In all seriousness, My culling process is coming along well now and I'm down to about 53 tracks (so 13 or so still have to go which is going to be heartbreaking).
Still waiting on Jimmy Dee to gimme a list of what he wants to play - Hopefully that will come soon.
To the poster at Sun 12 Sep 2004 15:26:16 - Thanks for your kind words. Im sure you will be *very* well catered to and yeah there will be lots of huge hits from that mid 90's era.Just dont leave during my set lol !!!
My only tip to you retro fans is this - I will only be replaying about 3 or 4 tracks from my Mardi Gras retro set, the rest will be fresh retro (if there is such a term) and there will be a bit more 80's stuff in my set compared to Mardi Gras. A bit for everyone - just the way it should be.
More updates as they come to hand.
.
Stephen Blomfield - Sun 12 Sep 2004 23:16:00
Well I know where one of those 6 will be straight after the party finishes. In my bed !
yum yum - Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:26:39
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countdownboy - Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:51:19
As for an orgy on stage, uh oh. Is that a good idea? Will NMG really risk getting the party shut down?
Evil Twin - Mon 13 Sep 2004 13:49:50
(and so do you)
milky bar kid - Mon 13 Sep 2004 14:14:18
Is it Panther?
I think i'm right... - Mon 13 Sep 2004 14:59:48
No. - Panther
Oh don't worry ..... there is going to definately be lesbian porn at sleaze ....!
- Mon 13 Sep 2004 16:16:59
How about the Hordern and RHI Dj's ? seeing as both Halls have had the styles changed from what we are used to , any idea of what you will be playing or the styles ?
There wont be an orgy on stage , no way will NMG risk having the party closed.
Where will I dance ? - Mon 13 Sep 2004 18:18:47
Its a bit hard to have the party closed down when the orgy show is the closing show at 8am ;)
- Mon 13 Sep 2004 20:48:00
Mr Blomfield...you are such a tease...your mardi gras set was awesome and i can't wait to hear you at Sleaze. I'm prancing around the house as we speak to PSB "positive role model"...in between pinkboard posts.
JPK...firmly, and very happily ensconced in retro revision school.
Evil Twin...can i borrow your copy of "how to f*ck in high heels"? Honestly, reading those porn titles makes me think some of our parties could be a little bit more creative with their themes...i mean, "sugar high, glitter city"...oh yeah baby, i'm there!!!!!!!!
Ms Golightly - Mon 13 Sep 2004 22:04:50
and a couple of reviews of some locally acquired pron
http://www.sydneyleatherpride.org/sept2004news7.htm
; )
Lil - luscious in leather - Mon 13 Sep 2004 22:55:08
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countdownboy - Tue 14 Sep 2004 08:26:33
You can never have enough PSB.
Panther - Tue 14 Sep 2004 08:52:41
I dont think theres too many problems with Blomfield not wanting to play PSB (Pet Shop Boys) at Sleaze. I know he's a big PSB fan. Did you see his DJ Profile in Star Observer last week and his all time favourite top 5 "retro tracks". Yep , there was a PSB track in the list.
Its great having Stephen contribute to this wall and hyping up the space he will be DJ'ing in. It really adds to the party season atmosphere.
I'm actually predicting that a lot of the RHI hard core regulars who are so used to hearing trashy handbag music in that hall will be in for a real shock with Neal C and then Ryan M. I'm predicting that these people will possibly spend a lot of time in the Retro space during Stephens set cause his music will be more akin to the style that RHI has been known for in years past. It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if the Retro space or tent or whatever its going to be will be the smash hit of Sleaze Ball.
Retro Retro Retro - Tue 14 Sep 2004 10:05:48
You know youre's so right. In the mid 1990's the RHI seemed to get the balance right. Some of Steve Carley's sets especially included some anthems interspersed amongst the best progessive tracks at the time. I can remember going off to Way Out West's "Ajare" at Mardi Gras in 1997 and it was one of the best moment's I'd ever had on a dance floor (until Buck Naked trumped him with the Sytle Council only 8 hours later). It was enough to keep me out of the Dome for at least half a party. Now it's either handbag or trance - both (in my opinion) perilously low on the musical food chain. Where are the Djs that play a bit of everything - in fact the only DJ I've heard do that in the last 2 years was Neal Crawford in his Inquisition set which was quite amazing in it's diversity.
Aaaah, good times.
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- Tue 14 Sep 2004 17:01:22
I agree. While versatility is the key to longevity on this scene it is not appreciated by a lot of people. In fact it's aggressivly discouraged in some circles. In particular ceratain promoters won't hire DJs they can't control musically. They give lists of tracks for the DJs to pick from and asked not to deviate. Tres creatively stiffling. And frankly, they've turned the music I love into McTrance.
Thank god for open minded Melbourne promoters & crowds!
www.lukeleal.com - Tue 14 Sep 2004 19:25:19
And the critically important trance moments in any set come about as a result of contrast not similarity. Like Lukey editing out some of the floaty bits (technical term) so when a really great floaty bit comes around you just go up into the clouds. It seems almost every trance track these days has one or two floaty bits of its own for a real stop start experience. Too much. Better to mix it up a bit.
Within reason, you understand! Madonna yes. Flock of Seagulls no.
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 14 Sep 2004 21:01:37
I like Luke's 'McTrance' comment. Sleaze won't be the same without Luke.
Can't wait - Tue 14 Sep 2004 21:59:26
I am a 21 year old straight girl who is 5ft tall, 45kgs and often gets mistaken for about 16. Why is this important? Because after reading some (a minority) of the previous posts I almost feel less worthy and certainly less enthusiastic then I damn well should!! For someone like me that is.
I bought my ticket to Sleaze the week they went on sale, using cash gained from scrubbing dirty dishes and copping abuse in a call center all day. I am looking forwed to the night of my life.
Its an occasion to get my hair done, wear some fun sexy clothes and I hope to get away from most of the pretentious ignorant fucks that can sometimes inhabit some of the 'straight(er)' venues I like to dance at.
I've been following these posts with interest, mainly with the intention of building my excitement towards the event. It's been an interesting journey.
I do not believe that someone who is ..
1. There to HAVE A GOOD TIME.
2. Will interact with those around her in a friendly open way.
3. Will wear dancing shoes to burn the floor up and...
4. Will generally add to the atmosphere of a diverse bunch of people with hopefully a common aim of sharing a night long adventure
could at all detract from anyone elses experience of the event...
I know as a straight person I will be in the minority sexually, but I also know that will mean fuck all to those there to have a good time. With 18 days to go I can feel the electricity charging up in the air around me! I am so excited that I know no one elses opinions will matter on the night.
I will do my small part to contribute to what I am sure will be a fantastic night. Thankyou in advance to all those who will be in a similar frame of mind.
Joe (anne) - Tue 14 Sep 2004 22:06:33
To answer your question about those 2 songs.
One of them will definitely get played and the other one is currently on the reserve list. I can even tell you approximately what time to expect the one I am playing for sure. Email for more details - stephens_inbox@hotmail.com
Stephen Blomfield - Tue 14 Sep 2004 22:43:13
Inadvertently you have struck on a real issue for the parties our community puts on (note the exclusive connotation i have put on that last sentence). I have invited a straight couple to join me at sleaze - they are a couple i love to party with and spend a lot of my free time with. They are also a couple who have joined me at the ribbon folding day before world aids day and have stood along side me at the rally for recognition of same-sex partnerships. To describe their attendance at the Sleaze ball in the context of any of the 4 dot points you mentioned would cheapen the support they have provided to me and the support i think they have clearly provided to the GLBTQ community.
Look, you won't detract from the night at all. But what exactly will you contriibute?
A community that is still marginalised and is struggling to gain the basic legal relationship rights you take for granted doesn't need another person with great hair, great shoes, and a friendly vibe. Attending the parties is the easy part...go the step further Joe (anne) and your contribution will truly be appreciated.
Have a great night!
Ms Golightly - Tue 14 Sep 2004 23:27:14
C'mon peoples ...let's not take the bait!!! the arguements for and against have been done to death and there is no right or wrong. You are never going to please everyone and as things are at the moment, although the party is ours and marketed to the GLBT community, it is an open event and anyone who wants a ticket can go to ticketek and purchase one (if there are any still left!!!). So until such time that NMG no longer has any money/funding issues, I guess our parties will be open to the general public. Let's make the best of it and enjoy what we have!
- Wed 15 Sep 2004 00:03:29
Tis 17 Days To A Pornographic Sleaze Ball
Tis 17 Days To A Pornographic Sleaze Ball
Tis 17 Days To A Pornographic Sleaze Ball
Tis 17 Days To A Pornographic Sleaze Ball
Tis 17 Days To A Pornographic Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Wed 15 Sep 2004 00:19:58
You are a true champion.... It felt nice to read such a prefectly written response.
Hats off to you Ms golightly!
:) - Wed 15 Sep 2004 07:55:53
They are calling it Sleaze this year. No balls!
- Wed 15 Sep 2004 08:50:03
Speak for yourself!! ;)
Nino Balls - Wed 15 Sep 2004 10:55:30
I'm the belle of balls.
Have fun at our party Joe.
Trance Trance Trance - Wed 15 Sep 2004 11:03:01
On another note, any news on ticket sales?
Paul Diamondo - Wed 15 Sep 2004 18:44:13
Well according to the SSO, NMG were within a handful or so of selling out the 4,000 Earlybird tickets, selling at more than double the rate of last year, and are on track to sell out (11,500) well in advance:
http://www.ssonet.com.au/display.asp?ArticleID=3548
CeeJay - Wed 15 Sep 2004 20:27:35
A source of mine who works at New Mardi gras has advised that tickets are selling extremely well and they are right on target for a sell out which is 11,000 and not 11,500 as quoted in the above article.
Mardi Gras because of the great sales are keen to try and extend the sell out figure by an extra couple of thousand however they have been stonewalled on this idea by a number of licencing restrictions that basically mean that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES because of the short notice can or will this party be extended beyond the 11,000 ticket mark.
This should ring alarm bells to anybody who hasnt bought a ticket yet.
The moral of this story - Get your tickets NOW cause there's a fair chance they'll be all gone in the week leading up to the party.
Sold Out Porn - Wed 15 Sep 2004 22:03:48
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.
I was hoping for a few thousand more.
Trance Trance Trance - the "no lunch" diet starts NOW! - Thu 16 Sep 2004 00:34:44
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.
I can say for certain that the early bird tickets were gone when we bought ours back on September 8
Shanobear - Thu 16 Sep 2004 06:40:41
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
Only 16 Days To The Big Night !!
countdownboy - Thu 16 Sep 2004 08:37:50
Hopefully MG will be a different story and I will get the answers I'm looking for.
Now all of us main room boys @ QN are in the same rejected boat.... :)
Brad W - Thu 16 Sep 2004 08:48:56
Love to catch u for a dance-im there for the same reasons
say where and when
bad boy - Thu 16 Sep 2004 10:07:36
That's because you weren't an early bird and missed the worm :-P
I believe the early bird cutoff date was September 3...
Ceejay - Thu 16 Sep 2004 10:23:57
"No lunch" is a very bad way to diet - your metabolism will fritter away if you don't eat lunch and will interfere with the rest of your dieting plans.
- Thu 16 Sep 2004 10:38:56
Attending the party is the easy part - Paying $100 for a ticket and actually having great hair are harder. = )
Although I do (somewhat) agree with you, do you not think that straight people who consciously support gay events and avidly denounce those with less shall we say evolved, opinions are not making a positive contribution to our community? Of course it would be nice if it wasn't an issue. But it is. And how else is it going to change?
I am curious to know how many ppl that are gay etc would actually prefer that straight ppl didnt attend, even if they have the best of intentions? Now that I have typed that question I would prefer it wasn't actually answered!! Perhaps I should no longer read this board to enhance my excitement for a good night!! = (
I am sorry you felt that I cheapened the support your friends have given you. That was in no way my intention. I was talking about my attendance in the context of the party. No one else.
I am a research student who has done a number of papers on homophobia. When my teacher told me I couldn't base a sexual assault paper wholely on male assault because it 'might only be worth a mention', I cried. My Masters thesis will be fifty thousand words on why sexual assault law in NSW (which is gender neutral) is absolutly useless to a gay man.
Please don't tell me what I take for granted.
Apart from the obvious fact that I will be one more ticket sold and a few dollers more towards Mardi Gras (and one more big smile in the crowd) I do believe that I try to contribute to OUR society in a way that is positive, to the best of my ability, as much of the time as I can.
Perhaps I am nieve but I have a pure heart. I do hope you have a lovely night too and for the record, I will be wearing beat up sneakers : )
Joe (anne) - Thu 16 Sep 2004 18:05:00
that will teach me to pay attention to deadlines won't it? lol
Oh well I can't wait for the party no matter the price.
Shanobear - Thu 16 Sep 2004 18:13:38
I agree Brad... This years process WAS a little bumpy, amd I too, hope that next years MG will be a different story.
Oh well... guess I should take the comp ticket I've been offered, and just head off to the party for a boogie & a woogie!
www.djjustinscott.com - Thu 16 Sep 2004 19:08:19
Air and party tickets are ready. Still not a single Sydney-sider-poster seems to post the show times!!!
C'mon...let us in on the secret.
u.w - Thu 16 Sep 2004 21:17:59
Outdoor and tented spaces have had a very mixed reception in recent years ...and Sleaze can be cccccold(!)
Trance Trance Trance - Thu 16 Sep 2004 21:29:52
Not this year buddy , The retro space will be the highlight of this event , you just watch.
Retro Retro Retro - Thu 16 Sep 2004 22:08:01
Hmm... Giving away comps.... I would love one thrown my way if anyone is reading... perhaps compensation for the grief I have been thru ;)
Brad W - hoping for a comp....? - Thu 16 Sep 2004 22:56:34
Justin didnt get a freeby from Mardi Gras and no they arent "giving them away" which isnt anything new.
If you remember all staff, DJ's, lighting people etc who work the party get free admission for themselves plus a partner (or friend)
Maybe Justin is simply getting the "partner or friend" ticket that is allocated to a friend who is working the party... Oh wait, that person is me :)
Friend of Juzzy - Thu 16 Sep 2004 23:04:38
Ha ha! The RHI and Horden Pavillion only has maximum capacities of 6500 and 4500 respectively, giving you the maximum capacity allowable of 11,000 at Sleaze!
let the party begin!!!! - Thu 16 Sep 2004 23:46:54
Maybe Justin is simply getting the "partner or friend" ticket that is allocated to a friend who is working the party... Oh wait, that person is me :)
Friend of Juzzy - Thu 16 Sep 2004 23:04:38
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That means: All the people (mostly technical staff) who WORK the entire night of the party get a guest/partner ticket for their trouble. This is standard practice at large events as it is not entirely fun to work all night/day so having a friend along for free usually means they get the worker refreshments, chat, carry the handbag and keep them company in their breaks. It's a thankyou for someone working all party.
so, where is the pb meeting place?
Lil - luscious in leather - Fri 17 Sep 2004 00:18:52
Only 15 dayts to go - Its getting very exciting here
Only 15 dayts to go - Its getting very exciting here
Only 15 dayts to go - Its getting very exciting here
Only 15 dayts to go - Its getting very exciting here
Only 15 dayts to go - Its getting very exciting here
countdownboy - Fri 17 Sep 2004 08:00:16
Actually, the whole tendering process (that didn't exist) looked like Swiss Cheese. C'est la vie. NMG doesn't even know what alternatives they may have had at the right price in lighting or audio.
Anyway, I can report that, thanks I believe to the Supremo Mark Orr stepping in, DJs will actually be working with equipment they request and are familiar with. So credit where it is due.
Now, if only the DJs get proper soundchecks, not shortened or disrupted by other rehearsals, all should be good for a confortable team of pros ready to blow our minds with the music.
Good luck to Ruby for tonight and SLPA for tomorrow night. Another quiet weekend ahead.....not!
HAGW
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 17 Sep 2004 13:11:14
But what do Pinkboarders get as compensation for what we have been through with your whinging? ;)
Comps for people who contribute only - Fri 17 Sep 2004 14:02:04
Hmm... Giving away comps.... I would love one thrown my way if anyone is reading
Brad W - hoping for a comp....? - Thu 16 Sep 2004 22:56:34
Is there a slight irony in these two postings?
GLBT events should remain GBLT - Fri 17 Sep 2004 14:43:35
Get in there girl! Show 'em what equality is all about. It's about acceptance, and it goes both ways!
Professor - Have a great party guys! - Fri 17 Sep 2004 22:31:07
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countdownboy - Sat 18 Sep 2004 00:07:24
I am astounded by the vitriolic attacks on Brad W! If you don't like what he says in his posts, then don't read them!
Personally I hope Brad does come along and has a great night out with the rest of us Pinkboarders who aren't working that night. The same goes for Justin, Jake, Dan, Alex, Luke etc.
Still waiting for the time & place for the PB meeting!
Of course my partner and I will be there as soon as the party opens but this time the hard part will be sticking it out till the end. We've found ourselves running out of stamina very early lately and hopefully we can make it to the end of the party this time.
We've already decided to finish the night off in the retro space (of course) and can't wait to hear what Stephen has in store for us this time.
Shanobear - Sat 18 Sep 2004 10:07:03
- Sat 18 Sep 2004 10:51:56
Then he should offer them for sale to anyone who is a regular writer on here and we should all wear those TShirts to Mardi gras or Sleaze parties
Much easier than all the confusion of a time and meeting place (which invariably NEVER works)
Pinkboard Tshirts - What a great idea !!! - Sat 18 Sep 2004 11:04:56
Is that inside the Hordern ? if so the bar in with the dance floor ? or outside ?
Cya there . T. - Sat 18 Sep 2004 12:30:56
- Sat 18 Sep 2004 12:41:40
Do U have a picture of the Tshirts ??
Can you post it here please ?
- Sat 18 Sep 2004 12:48:02
I was checking last year's Sleaze board to see what everyone was up to. Yay for excited people!
Evil Twin - Sat 18 Sep 2004 13:18:59
The trouble with "acceptance" is it implies the need to be "acceptable", and Sleaze is (or at least should be) a celebration of all that is UNaccepatable and, well, sleazy.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people (both gay and straight) who seem to have a problem with that - i.e. Shayne Mallard and the council leading to Pride cancelling the booking for the nude dance party because it's an "unacceptable" use of public property; Labor Senator Jacinta Collins saying we do ourselves "no favours" with things like Mardi Gras, and that what is labelled "Homophobia" is really "just good sense."
Having said that, I don't think a blanket ban on straights at Sleaze is necessarily healthy, either socially or financially, but the movement lately towards being expected to tone things down and censor ourselves for the sake of being "acceptable" (legally, socially and politically) is starting to worry me.
CeeJay - Sat 18 Sep 2004 13:26:40
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