Pinkboard: Sleaze Graffiti Wall 2004 #1

Sleaze is the next major Sydney party, and it is only ... I'll let Countdownboy tell you all about that. Make sure you reserve 2nd October in your diary now. Tell all your rellies that you just can't do the wedding that weekend, you have to attend something more important with your other family.

The theme has been decided and it will be Sleazy, according to Steph on Beat FM. What do you think it will be? Have you heard any rumours? What do you think it should be? Any other burning opinions?

Pinkboard has started an unofficial history of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parties with the history of Sleaze. This is nowhere near complete. If you can remember anything please email Panther or mention it on this wall.

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countdownboy - Thu 24 Jun 2004 10:08:36

It's always handy for runourmeisters to know the only way that MG would have an overseas name star present is if that star already had a tour booked that would have them in Sydney around Sleaze time.
- Fri 25 Jun 2004 15:31:22

International acts - well they are just like International DJ's , either a hit or a miss. I think our own home grown talent is just as good. If an Act/DJ is here then fine to hire them but no paying for their airfares/accommodation etc. I could stand through a repeat of last years Sleaze opening act with those people flying thru the air and fireworks and just so much in your face it was awesome.
T - Fri 25 Jun 2004 21:12:46

Ryan Murphy - Ryan Murphy - Fri 25 Jun 2004 23:56:11

In answer tyo your question - Definitely not. And thats all Im saying :P
Anonymous - Fri 25 Jun 2004 23:59:17

Reduce the number of DJ's from 4 back to 3 -

RHI to go back to handbag using Paul Goodyear, Greg Boladian & Alex Taylor (in that order)

Hordern to be trance using maybe a new name first followed by Luke Leal and Neal Crawford to close.

Dome to be funky going towards dark and dirty using Kate Munroe , Chip and Steve Alkins in that order

Stage 11 without a doubt should be exactly the same as Mardi Gras with the same three DJ's playing in the same order - Justin Scott, Stephen Blomfield & Jake Kilby to close.

That is my dream DJ selection for Sleaze 2004
My 5 Cents Worth - Sat 26 Jun 2004 15:06:38

Should be on the board of directors of NMG!!
MODE - Sat 26 Jun 2004 17:33:58

Can’t comment on NMG, but BQN organizers really should’ve used some one like My 5 Cents Worth!
U.W (Melbourne) - Sun 27 Jun 2004 12:20:53

Mardi Gras probably couldnt do any better than that suggested line up for Sleaze Ball.
Luke B - Sun 27 Jun 2004 15:42:06

Evil Twin - Sun 27 Jun 2004 18:01:00

Totally agree. Had a fab time at Hodern. Music was phenomenal.
- Mon 28 Jun 2004 18:10:04

95 Days To Sleaze Ball !!!!!!!!
countdownboy - Tue 29 Jun 2004 08:46:29

I do *NOT* agree with this posting about there being more girl DJ's. Why should the sex of a DJ be important at a dance party. Its supposed to be about the music and picking the *BEST* DJ's available for the night. Having more girl DJ's just for the sake of gender parity demeans the whole exercise and could possibly exclude a boy DJ who is more popular, better technically and who plays better music than one of the girl DJ's.

I can probably count on one hand (with a finger or two to spare) the number of girl DJ's in this city who would be approprtiate selections for Sleaze ball in my opinion. As for boy DJ's the list could run into 40 or more.
Pick on talent not gender - Tue 29 Jun 2004 08:54:51

What do you guys/girls think? Should Sleaze include some themes/issues that are usually accommodated by the NMG parade?
- Tue 29 Jun 2004 10:00:45

Just going to Sleaze - and being as sleazy as you can be - is about the best antidote to homophobia that I can think of.
- Tue 29 Jun 2004 12:17:22

I certainly haven’t – he was brilliant!

But I reckon the Hordern was the pick of all the halls last Sleaze, even with the hard dance floor. The energy in there was amazing, and the music was fantastic from start to end.

And on top of all that, the incredible revolving DJ “alter” and plasma screens. 11 out of 10 for the Hordern last year!

Another one like that, but with a better floor, would be peeeeerfect : )
jeffgg - Tue 29 Jun 2004 20:38:49

To return the Hordern and the Dome back to the way they used to be.
NMG said the at MG the Hordern would be mix of hard and tribal but it was majority of tribal all night. My friends who love Dome were not fussed (but not complaining ) that it didnt "feel" right in Hordern and I certainly missed my harder edge music. Dont get me wrong, had a fantastic MG but you know how you search for that one big long dance where you lose yourself ? well never got it.
Here's hoping - Wed 30 Jun 2004 08:06:32

Sounds more like your "medicines of choice" were what let you down.
- Wed 30 Jun 2004 14:56:55

www.jakekilby.com - Wed 30 Jun 2004 16:51:44

Luke B - Wed 30 Jun 2004 19:05:35

actually no it was not the medicines. I have loved the Hordern the way it has become over the last few years with its harder edge and it has always been packed. I'm sure there are Dome lovers out there who are wishing for Dome to return back to its original form. My Dome loving friends thought Hordern way to big and impersonal whereas I love that huge open space. As I said I still had a great night and was fine with the Hordern having to be split between the 2 styles but only the first DJ came anywhere near the traditional Hordern music, the rest all played Tribal hence when the medicines kicked in, I just could get that faster/harder edge normally in the Hordern.
It was only a wish like everyone else is posting their wishes, so why did you have to post a catty comment ? Sure its a free world but why do some enjoy spoiling other peoples fun ? my post was certainly not a negative posting which may have required a response.
Loosen up.........and I'm still hoping - Wed 30 Jun 2004 20:59:27

http://www.ssonet.com.au/display.asp?ArticleID=3308
- Thu 1 Jul 2004 13:39:02

I'm wondering about the comment that NMG are telling DJ's what music they want to hear ?
or
maybe I just intepreted that line wrong ?
Comments ? - Thu 1 Jul 2004 19:28:32

Yes I think you are interpreting things incorrectly. From what Ive been told the committee knows what "style" of music they want in each hall.

After they short list the DJ's they will contact those on that list telling them what styles are expected in each venue and then each DJ can submit a demo CD aimed at one of those venues.

I dont think its rocket science and I think what "My 5 Cents Worth" said at posting Sat 26 Jun 2004 15:06:38 will probably be the styles that NMG is looking for .. ie Handbag for the RHI , Trance for the Hordern , Deep & Dirty for Dome and Retro in Stage 11.

I cant wait for Sleaze !!!
Luke B - Thu 1 Jul 2004 21:41:26

I want my Lukey and my Neal and maybe my Ryan in the RHI not the Hordern.

I know Luke vowed never to perform in the RHI ever ever ever again cos the sound had to be kept at a reasonable volume at MG - but - geez over that by now, surely!

Gotta be where the peeps are, raher than quibble over about a couple extra decibels.

I am currently dreaming of a 4am playing of "Forever Today" (Tiesto) in the RHI. I have played this track about 30 times now and I still get shivers and goosebumps at 8:19 and then tears on cue at 8:50 every single time I play it - even walking to work. Sad but incredibly true. This track is magic.

And it's gotta happen in the middle of the RHI amid a sea of love... haha. Or else!

.
Trance Trance Trance - Fri 2 Jul 2004 20:17:31

the rhi (not handbag but fun nonetheless)
kate monroe - ryan murphy - alex taylor

the dome
mandy rollins - mike kelly - sveta

the hordern
neal crawford - luke leal - neal crawford

city live (if they must)
jake kilby - justin scott - dan murphy
here's hoping - Fri 2 Jul 2004 22:30:32

So you want Neal Crawford to play opening and closing the Hordern. Thats just plain stupid.

My DJ selection would be

RHI - Shegeki , Greg Boladian & Jake Kilby (put Jake back in the main hall I say)

Hordern - Mandy Rollins , Luke Leal & Neal Crawford

Dome - Chip , Kate Munroe , Sveta

City Live for Retro - Sean Manley , Justin Scott , Stephen Blomfield
Thats a far better line up - And a lot more realistic - Fri 2 Jul 2004 22:39:52

I kinda like the idea of having faith in the committee - they have delivered 2 exceptional products back to back, let's see what they come up with. After all, it is always the element of surprise that really makes the party.

Having said that, more kim wilde should be on the DJ's submission criteria.
Ms Golightly - Sat 3 Jul 2004 01:12:52

RHI -- Sista P, Paul Goodyear, Luke Leal
Horden -- Ryan Murphy, Josh, Neal
Dome -- Kate Monroe, Mike Kelly, Stephen Allkins
Stage 11 (if you must) -- whoever.
Newbie DJs in the Outside Tent.
bring it on - Sat 3 Jul 2004 12:04:29

Are you proud of yourself being so dismissive of the Retro space ? That was a great way of insulting the excellent retro DJ's and the fans of retro music. If I was dismissive of your style of DJ's and music I'm sure you'd feel insulted too.

Next time just stop and think a second before you make such an insulting post.
Brian Jones - Dont they teach good manners anymore ? - Sat 3 Jul 2004 12:22:24

i really enjoy when i hear the right song at the right time in the right place (perhaps stating the obvious), and i can't bear a whole night of the same sound in one space.

fair enough, it would be good if spaces were allocated some direction eg dirty, euphoric, camp, funky or hard n fast or whatever the case may be, but the idea of a musically exclusive spaces seems hard given the blurred boundaries of a lot of contemporary music production. ie can a trance space feature progressive? is electro ok for a dirty space? can kylie be played in the hordern? etc etc

it matters more how the music comes together and is delivered than whether it exclusively subscribes to a music genre

and more than this, it matters how positively you approach your party - and whether your mind is open to new experiences or whether you wish to recreate other party environments at sleaze.
50cents - Sun 4 Jul 2004 05:46:37

countdownboy - Sun 4 Jul 2004 09:22:15

Ryan Murphy - Mon 5 Jul 2004 09:31:18

Asking DJ's to submit an expression of interest could in the future open up our parties to new ideas and concepts as was proven at Mardi Gras this year. The whole emergence of the Retro space at Mardi Gras came into being because a couple of DJ's had pitched that idea to Mardi Gras for a number of years. When it finally got implemented just look at the success that it brought !
White Dove - Mon 5 Jul 2004 09:57:15

But someone asked me what Big Queer Nation and my reply was

Same Music
Same Dj
Same People
Same Venue
Different Name,

I know it must be hard to come up with something different every time. But with the success of Back to Back, be good to keep that going,

Leal/Crawford
Sheki/Ryan Murphy
Jimmy Dee/Jake Kilby
Sveta/Dj Josh

something like that

any way my two cents
Sammy D - Mon 5 Jul 2004 10:22:38

NO NO NO NO NO !!!!

Back to Back DJ'ing RARELY works. For it to be successful you need two DJ's who are the best of BEST of friends who totally trust each other. This is rare in clubland.

Just shoving two DJ's together and telling them to play back to back is a recipie for total and utter disaster.

The ONLY back to back DJ's that should ever play at Sleaze or Mardi Gras parties are the ones who express a joint submission of interest stating that they would like to work that way.

My question is this - Do two DJ's playing back to back for say 3 hours both get paid for 3 hours or do they have to split the fee ? If it means paying both DJ's for 3 hours then I'm sure you'll find Mardi Gras would not be interested in taking on that concept. Budgetary restraints would certainly see it as a waste of money in my opinion.
White Dove - Mon 5 Jul 2004 10:50:40

I was just making a suggestion thought of something different,
Sammy D - Mon 5 Jul 2004 13:45:54

I agree with WD, no back to back DJ's please. Back to Back DJ's are used a fair bit in straight parties and raves and I have seen some horrible fights and arguments occur live on stage between the two playing DJ's who silly couldnt work together.I even remember seeing at one rave party I went to about 5 years ago the 2 DJ's playing throwing punches at each other after the second song in their bracket cause the DJ that played that song had played a song that the other one wanted to play. In another instance one DJ was so annoyed at the other one playing a particular song he mixed out of the song only about 2 minutes in causing the crowd to start booing and the other DJ to deliberatley bump and scratch the record that just got mixed in - It was a riot !!

Sorry Sammy, keep the ideas coming they are always welcome but this one isnt appropriate in my opinion.
Luke B - Reliving my straight rave days :o) - Tue 6 Jul 2004 09:47:01

Thanks for the at least people on here are using what it is supposed to be used for.
sammy d - Tue 6 Jul 2004 11:27:28

Well that is just plain ol unprofessional! I recall a very recent Queer Nation where my last track was mixed into when it was just about to go through the roof, it had four minutes remaining. peh!

And it wasn't my back2back partner Mr Leal either. He's far to professional to do something as disrespectful as that.

Happy Belated birthday Ryan Murphy, had to miss your party due to work. (just remembered)
www.nealcrawford.com - i would eat music if i could - Tue 6 Jul 2004 12:16:20

B2B is a lot of fun… Mainly in a club environment where two DJ's who play in the same style battle it out. Challenge each other two tracks for two…

I have played this style before in club environments. But most party environments DJ’s stick to a track listing… the order may jump around a bit… but two DJ’s knowing what the other one is going to play next takes the fun out of the challenge. The dance styles we all like don’t tend favour layering much either.

As far as one posters comment regarding “Mardi Gras” cant afford to be paying two DJ’s at once. Fiddle Sticks to you! The rate local DJ’s are paid in most dance party situations is respectively less than any international. I still cant work it out …… DJ entertains for three hours 10,000 people gets a grad lets say…. some chick gets on stage for three mins and sounds worse than the single the DJ could have played… and gets 12 grand.

We all do it for the love…..Do you see me driving a Porsche?
ryan murphy - Tue 6 Jul 2004 12:57:59

ryan murphy - Tue 6 Jul 2004 12:58:37

I love that statement... very funny Ryan!!
Skank LOver!! - Tue 6 Jul 2004 13:17:48

I parked the Porsche on Bourke Street and put the keys in your letterbox. I hope thats OK :)
Stephen Blomfield - Tue 6 Jul 2004 21:16:15

Lighting Designers, 20hrs + preproduction work, drawings, meetings, rehearsals, 10hrs or more programmimg, 12hr party - no meal breaks, limited toliet breaks, working for entire 12hrs... entertaining thousands...

"but its a charity... we cant pay you that much", "can you lower you fee to fit into budget"..... or the worst.... "this is what we are paying you"

Do you see me with a Porche or property..?

No.

Dj's are not the only ones under paid in sydney.
Brad W - Tue 6 Jul 2004 22:46:08

And why you do not (all) organise and demand better wages/fees, it will not change. I've been hearing the same argument for over 20 years. And it is not just Mardi Gras - many of the smaller party producers are paying peanuts but not getting monkeys.

What worries me more is that, after the DJs agree to reduced fees etc., they get 5 minutes, or no, proper soundcheck time because the "SHOW" gets total time priority. This happened at Sleaze and Mardi Gras and is just not good enough.

The DJs (and Lighting Ops) entertain for up to 10 hours, the performers for single figure minutes. The DJs must get better treatment in future, especially at the "enormous fees" they get paid (not!) or it may be hard in the future to get anyone but OS DJs that just do not know the crowd.

My contribution to the debate, for what it's worth.
Noisy Gypsy - Wed 7 Jul 2004 13:24:16

Having been a DJ, yes they/we are underpaid. In critical circumstances I had to start another gig, but insisted that a replacement be found because I was moving downstairs to my normal gig at the appropriate time and did so. Building management later told me that the "upstairs" replacement sucked badly--so back to back must take a very symbiotic relationship to work properly.

I'm just a human juke-box. I try to group requests into brackets of similar style. I don't do beat-matching between songs (yet), and even though I was working the same location each week, and learned what the crowd generally liked, there was always someone who would ask for R&B to which no one ever dances, they just "mellow out" to it, or something else that was guaranteed to clear the floor in seconds; or yet another who HATED everything played. You can't please everyone, so I've stopped trying.

Who knows, maybe when I list for work again, I may get something in Oxford Street.
Professor - And maybe the sex will make up for the low pay! - Wed 7 Jul 2004 14:58:17

Professor - Wed 7 Jul 2004 14:59:44

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Are you Kidding, a DJ that doesn't mix (LOL).

I'm sorry but that is not DJ'ing, and as for this how on earth could you been expected to be paid the same as a proper DJ.

It would easier for the club to install a jukebox, DJ'ing is about mixing the music, and enhancing the sound/style to your own blend of music... Presenting a musical journey for the patrons...... Anybody could play songs one after another!!

Retro or not, DJ'ing is a true talent... not just a play button.

Ps. Please don't tell me you place 2 second breaks between songs as well... LOL
Respect to the real DJ's in the house!! - Wed 7 Jul 2004 15:33:19

6 Hours - to make a Demo CD (Plus $$ on gear)
½ Hour - to write the guff and send it in (plus $$)
1 Hour - Attendance of Production Brief
16 Hours - of practice and sorting out stuff
1.5 hours Attendance on Sound check
2 hours Pre attendance before gig.

All guesstamates …based on my loose memory. Total hours 27 hours – excluding the gig!

But we do it for the love. And the 20+ sms’s I got from people in the crowd. (two very cute boys kept messaging me and I still don’t know who they are)…….and I do it naturally to pay for the fuel on my artic silver GT3 Porche.

Do you wanna go for a blast one day Brad?
ryan murphy - Wed 7 Jul 2004 17:21:36

I have had this happen to me in the past. Turned up for my scheduled sound check, and once we start, being told that we only have 5 minutes between 3 DJ's as the show needs to rehearse more.

Of course, upon my request for more time, I am met by some angry, no-life, self centered being who insists that the Dj's, who play 3 to 4 hour sets each, are nowhere near as important as the show that lasts all of 3 minutes. I'd like to see a party survive with a 3 minute show every couple of hours and silence in between.

This isn't a gripe. We ensured that we had our soundcheck and then moved on. It's just interesting to note that this kind of thing does happen.
www.jakekilby.com - Wed 7 Jul 2004 17:54:07

Mixing is probably my biggest downfall although everything came together at the Shift earlier in the year for the bears underwear party.

I'll always remember one night at my regular gig when one of the DJ's who post here dropped in to visit and meet me for the first time. I was having probably the worst night of my career and could not mix even basic tracks together. It was very embarrasing but these things happen.

However, you'll never learn if you don't try!
Shanobear - Wed 7 Jul 2004 18:04:13

I worship the ground that Groove Terminator walks on--that's talent.

SHANOBEAR: I'm not ashamed to call myself a human juke-box whether I'm playing a set list as dictated by the "organizer" or responding to individual requests, I'm the one who's mixing and matching according to the current mood of the crowd. Reading a crowd is not easy, but the mechanical version can't do it at all.

SPEECHLESS: Respoonding to your comment is not appropriate on this wall and I have posted a reply on the Coming Out wall seeing as it's the one that's stalled at the moment.
Professor - Have a great party guys! - Wed 7 Jul 2004 19:55:05

It's when 2 DJs play during a set together, each playing one track after the other. For example, Neal plays one track then Luke starts mixing in his track towards the end of Neal's track and then Neal plays his track after Luke's and so on and so forth...confused now?
- Wed 7 Jul 2004 21:01:46

You are obvioulsy referring to safe sex professor .... just something I picked up from your posts on other walls!
- Wed 7 Jul 2004 22:47:40

ryan murphy - Wed 7 Jul 2004 17:21:36

Your memory isn't the only thing that's "loose" my dear!

Loving you from here.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 8 Jul 2004 08:48:30

OK, slight exaggeration. But is the point still not the same? What's 10 minutes in comparison to 3 or 4 hours? I'm not saying that shows are not important, I'm simply saying it is a bit of a slap in the face to the DJ's when they are told that they literally cannot do a soundcheck (5 minutes between 3 people - it takes one DJ at least 15 minutes to have a proper soundcheck) because the show, which has already been rehearsing all afternoon, needs to rehearse some more.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 8 Jul 2004 08:52:55

In 1997 when I DJ'ed at Sleaze Ball I conducted an experiment into how much time I used up in preparing for my gig on the night and compared that number of hours against the actual pay rate I got to average out how much my time was actually being paid at.

I had actually kept a written time diary of my activities that used up my personal time for all related work that was part of submitting a demo as well as all the pre gig prep work that went into getting my set for Sleaze Ball put together.

In total (including the actual 4 hour set that I played that night) I put in a total of 32.5 hours. When I divided the amount of money I was paid by SGLMG against the 32.5 hours I actually came out with a pay rate of about $24.50 per hour !!

This is the sort of example that really should point out to anybody who has never DJ'ed that this particular profession is not one you should enter if you think you can get rich off it. Thats a long long way from the truth (despite the fact that Ryan's Porsche is still parked in Bourke Street) :P

As its been said before we all really do it for the love of music.

So guys , when's our next Union meeting ???
Stephen Blomfield - Thu 8 Jul 2004 09:37:06

Ryan Murphy - Thu 8 Jul 2004 10:19:08

tip to up your rate per hour:

Stop Flapping so much!! LOL

it really only takes 2hrs plus maybe one hour processing to make a cd. snap out of it:)

yes we do not get paid well, but it is not for MG events that this is the case - it is the weekly residencies where most of us get $50-75 and hour

ps - happy birthday ryan:)
- Thu 8 Jul 2004 12:25:55

You keep dreaming love....
NG - Thu 8 Jul 2004 13:25:33

Mete, whoever would you be talking about???

:) :)
NG - Thu 8 Jul 2004 13:28:44

The hair love, the hair....
NG - Thu 8 Jul 2004 13:31:11

:) :)
NG - Thu 8 Jul 2004 13:28:44

I don't know who she was, NG. Never met her before in my life, which is why it was a bit insulting. Having someone we have never met, who we didn't know, who could have been dancer for all we knew, telling us we had to clear out so the show could rehearse.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 8 Jul 2004 14:11:45

no lighting = boring dancing ... argghh !!!
no lighting = no show ... meh

no show = more music = more dancing .... yay !!!

personally, i would rather the money spent on shows to be spent on technical production and local dj's.

for example, at NMG 2004, The Horden could really have benefitted from sound all around the dancefloor instead of just the one end, and for full colour lasers at 4 corners of the dancefloor instead of dual colour lasers on 2 diagonally opposite corners.

but i have to admit, the shows certainly seem to receive a very appreciative response after they finish ... or perhaps that is because it's back to dancing ;-) LOL
put the dance back into parties - Thu 8 Jul 2004 14:33:31

Who was that??? Couldn’t be bothered to identify yourself so your post doesn’t carry much weight but I will humour it with a reply.

Clearly you are:

1. Grossly underpaid (50-75 for a residency??)
2. Producing substandard demo CD’s

The Six hours is a rather conservative figure. The recording time takes the least time of the project. Mastering the work is where the time is spent in the studio. I am proud to say that the works I produce are of suitable quality to be able to be sent straight to production. I am lucky to have a great deal of experience in audio engineering (one of my day jobs). I would love to send you a copy of my works however APRA prohibits that sort of thing.
ryan murphy - Thu 8 Jul 2004 14:41:37

Each to their own - but I thought that was a mess - there was stuff happening all over the place. Made me leave the Hordern.
lovin' it - Thu 8 Jul 2004 15:08:38

I know one venue was offering half that for a residency ($25 per hour).

So what is fair value for a residency these days? Nothing specific of course but ballpark would be fun to know.
- Thu 8 Jul 2004 18:02:21

That is so true that it hurts like a hangover. I'll be damned if I can actually recall most the shows held at various dance parties, but I can generally remember a DJ playing at a party. Having said that, the Russian gymnast flying around was quite memorable.

I could actually live without the shows, though all I ask is that they don't run out of water by 4am like they did at Sleaze 03.

Oh, and clean Portaloos wth stable footings would also be fab!
Hudson - Thu 8 Jul 2004 20:37:21

i guess it depends on which chicks are running the party place.
- Thu 8 Jul 2004 21:44:36

1995 - my first sleaze! I remember walking into the downstairs toilet under the Horden, glowsticks in hand, and causing a group of men to flee from the urinal when i inadvertently...ahem...shed too much light on proceedings shall we say. What an eye-opener that night was!

1996 - rushed to the party after a friend altered a pair or red satin trousers with silver embroidery all over them - somebody should of told me to wash them first. When I took them off to get changed for recovery in the laneway, my legs were red as a lobster from the sweat causing all the red dye to run. That was also the night i first wore a triple band pearl choker and the nick Ms Golightly stuck!

1997 - a slightly larger sized Ms Golightly decided the only way to get into the "atlantis" theme was to wear cow print and tell everybody i was a beached whale!

1999 - homusutra! body paint! the mess - what was i thinking?

some of the best night's i've ever had have been at Sleaze - can't wait for this year!
Ms Golightly - Thu 8 Jul 2004 23:04:03

I haven't heard any rumours yet, has anyone else?
Arti - Thu 8 Jul 2004 23:15:51

There’s 85 Days to Sleaze Ball

There’s 85 Days to Sleaze Ball

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There’s 85 Days to Sleaze Ball

There’s 85 Days to Sleaze Ball
countdownboy - Fri 9 Jul 2004 00:03:06

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The comments regarding the technical aspects are worth my comment:

Firstly, to change the Hordern from a 4 corner audio system to a front (and centre) only, whether it be MG or BQN was just wrong. Technically when you have to drive the system much harder to get the music to the back of the room has 2 main results. One, the people up front get blasted and Two, and more importantly, you increase the SPL (Sound Pressure Level) of the whole venue dramatically.

We have made a statement worldwide with our "surround" way of handling audio in the Main Room/s at our dance parties. Better coverage, lower levels, happier punters (and EPA). The reason why it is done is purely financial and this cheap 'rape' of our audio and music has to stop.

Secondly, it's about time people 'who couldn't boil an egg if they had a Margaret Fulton cookbook in front of them' (thanks mate) not be given the authority to stage manage anything, let alone something as sensitive to our community as our beloved parties. And to the person assuming it is some Lesbian conspiracy - wrong, wrong, wrong. Most of the girls of recent parties have actually been volunteers. The people in control have been independent men who send others in to do their fighting. Let's not attack the girls here as they are only doing what they are told.

DJs are the primary entertainers at our parties and should be allocated NOT less than 15-30 minutes each with an option to come back at another 'reserved' time if they are not happy.

I have found that if you give DJs the proper respect (that means contact them before the soundcheck, take a poll on what gear they want to use and supply the democratic outcome etc.), then give them the time you say you will to soundcheck, 2 things happen. One, your soundcheck is over on time and Two, and more importantly, they are normally very comfortable. A comfortable entertainer means, in my 21 years of experience, a better performance. Some DJs, like any entertainers, get more nervous than others and these guys and girls need more care and handling.

It's not rocket science - it just takes people who give a damn in the right place.

Had my bitch, now you all have a fabulous weekend.
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 9 Jul 2004 14:23:14

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Ok, for something a little lighter. Apparently there is a rejection of the Metrosexual image. It's the Retro sexual and relates to 'real' men who do things like carry the garbage out, open doors for their partners etc.

So, extending this to the DJ debate. Does this mean we should only employ Retrosexuals or Metrosexuals at our parties? And, for the girls, what is a Metrosexual Lesbian or a Retrosexual Lesbian?

Now we all know that Jake is a Retrosexual but is Stephen really one? He's hairy and used to umpire cricket and football. That's pretty butch. Now Ryan, well there's a Metrosexual DJ if I've ever seen one.

I will not even try to differentiate between Feisty, Mandy, Sveta, Sandy, Kate etc. - I value my life, especially in the subterranean escape pod.

So, surely we should use a different basis for using DJs at parties - the basis of music styles causes far too much disagreement...
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 9 Jul 2004 15:54:58

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Had my bitch, now you all have a fabulous weekend.
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 9 Jul 2004 14:23:14

Couldn't agree with you more, girl.
www.jakekilby.com - Fri 9 Jul 2004 16:11:13

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"Now we all know that Jake is a Retrosexual"

On the other hand - couldn't agree with you less! Don't pigeon hole me, or you'll get your comeuppance Mr!
www.jakekilby.com - Fri 9 Jul 2004 16:12:24

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DJ "Survivor" perhaps? (will Neal Crawford be the "Richard Hatch" of the group?)
A karaoke match with whoever gives the best rendition of "Kids in America" gets the closing spot in the Hordern at Sleaze?
DJ sweepstakes where someone pulls a DJ name out of one hat and a music style out of another and they have to play that style?
And as for the metro vs retro thing, whatever happened to just plain sexual? Slipping into fangrrl mode, I think there's a few girly DJs who more than qualify under that rule.
Evil Twin - can I go home yet? - Fri 9 Jul 2004 16:37:51

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The comments regarding the technical aspects are worth my comment:
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 9 Jul 2004 14:23:14

wow .. thanks for that explanation ... i just prefer 4 corner audio system (or total raparound like in the arena at arq) cos it sounds better and doesn't do my head in 8-)

as for gender and/or sexuality and/or metro-ness of the dj .. who cares ... it's all about the music and the journey ... yay !!!
put the dance back into parties - Fri 9 Jul 2004 17:20:20

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After doing a tough corporate gig this week, reading this well has been a great laugh. Reading comments about soundchecks, shows, parties etc.... I hear you all!

My thoughts..

shows - meh (unless its madonna - and if thats the case then it wouldnt be at a sleaze party!)
bad drag - meh (I might get shot for that one)
bad sound design - unacceptable on all levels
bad sound check - disrespectful to DJ's
rude stage management - also disrespectful

One question that I always want to ask is why is is that show rehearsal always take so bloody long. If you ask me if they havent rehearsed the show prior to being in the venue then the show shouldnt happen. The show rehearsl in the venue should only be for tech rehearsal and lighting plotting session, not to make choreography changes....

Anyway, thats my little gripe...

hey jake...

Your memory isn't the only thing that's "loose" my dear!

Loving you from here.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 8 Jul 2004 08:48:30

pot callig the kettle black perhaps...?

kisses... xx
Brad W - Fri 9 Jul 2004 18:50:32

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re Ryan Murphy's reply to my post which read

"Clearly you are:
1. Grossly underpaid (50-75 for a residency??)
2. Producing substandard demo CD’s"

sorry ryan, but since you replied with such arrogance i feel i should set you straight.

for one with so much audio experience you should know that if you record and EQ your cd right the first time you can get it right the first time and only require a bit or normalising and maybe a quick EQ or volume tweak here and there. the songs you use should have been produced well enough to use without too much reworking and if not, look harder for better cuts.

before you critice other djs who can get it right the first time, consider that maybe you need to work on your recording, editing and djing techniques.

i would love to send you one of my cds too to show you just how possible it is, but yes APRA etc.

as for the pay thing, yes I AM GROSSLY underpaid. but tell me mate, how may weekly residencies do you play where you get more than $75/hr?

signed - anonymous - cause why deal with the grief of being honest on this board? i don'tuse it to get my name out there, just as a forum for thought and ideas
- Fri 9 Jul 2004 18:57:18

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... back to the music boys. Doof doof doof doof!

...after all cheap gigs for love at trendy poofta parties is wot gives y'all the street cred to go on and work at exorbitant rates for Cameron Macintosh, Fox or some damned club in Ibiza.

Love all your work guys!

OK - still listening to Tiesto Just be (yeah, I know, broken record blah blah blah)

Finally saw the BQN track listing for Lukey and Neal today. So what was with the Agnelli and Nelson love-in and no Armin?

Booooo!

Sleaze pleaze to be an AVB, PVD, AVH, Ferry, Tiesticle love-in. Mmm... Tiesto!
Trance Trance Trance - Fri 9 Jul 2004 20:02:17

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could somebody please define "meh" for me...i'm feeling old!
Ms Golightly - Fri 9 Jul 2004 22:58:39

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Evil Twin...i've always loved your posts, but 16:37:51 just launched you into my own personal stratosphere (btw...JK would so win a Kim Wilde lip-syniching comp - did you see that air punch at mardi gras?).

ran into Shanobear at the oxford tonight...hope we get to see you and the curvaceous gf at retrosexual on friday!
Ms Golightly - Fri 9 Jul 2004 23:01:10

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could somebody please define "meh" for me...i'm feeling old!
Ms Golightly - Fri 9 Jul 2004 22:58:39

"MEH" is an expression you use when you want to express a total lack of interest in a topic.

eg... I like drag shows.... MEH !!!
Meh - Fri 9 Jul 2004 23:19:44

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"pot callig the kettle black perhaps...?
kisses... xx
Brad W - Fri 9 Jul 2004 18:50:32"

Ha! That's the sandwich press calling the pot that was kelling the kettle black, black, don't you think? Smooch!

"signed - anonymous - cause why deal with the grief of being honest on this board? i don't use it to get my name out there, just as a forum for thought and ideas
- Fri 9 Jul 2004 18:57:18"

Your anonymity is your perogative, and I understand your reasons behind it. Signing your name can open you up for hefty criticism, but by the same token, I hope you are not implying that those of us that do sign our names are using this wall as a tool to get our names out there?

"btw...JK would so win a Kim Wilde lip-syniching comp - did you see that air punch at mardi gras?).
Ms Golightly - Fri 9 Jul 2004 23:01:10"

You are too kind! But I do not lip synch, my dear, I sing at the top of my lungs when Kimmy is on! See you Friday!
www.jakekilby.com - Sat 10 Jul 2004 10:45:09

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eg... I like drag shows.... MEH !!!
Meh - Fri 9 Jul 2004 23:19:44

How do you read MEH? Do you have to make the MEH sound like a sheep’s bleating or is there some other sound involved?
FirstGenMigrant - Sat 10 Jul 2004 11:07:30

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Bugger! I knew I had something to do on Oxford St last night, ie drink with bears. But too much Korean BBQ did me in and I needed a lie down. Retrosexual is on a Hellfire night, so I will be torn between the two. Hellfire for me is a chance to tart up in my leathers and hang out with my pervy mates, and yet ARQ going off, full of retro fans, sounds very happy making. Eeek!

ps. SLPA meeting at 2pm at the Pride Center. And you can see the Inquisition photos.
Evil Twin - Sat 10 Jul 2004 12:47:13

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How do you read MEH? Do you have to make the MEH sound like a sheep’s bleating or is there some other sound involved?
FirstGenMigrant - Sat 10 Jul 2004 11:07:30

pronounced like m-ah ... but with a very "woteva", non-sheep following attitude .. hehe
put the dance back into parties - Sat 10 Jul 2004 15:54:05

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How do you read MEH? Do you have to make the MEH sound like a sheep’s bleating or is there some other sound involved?
FirstGenMigrant - Sat 10 Jul 2004 11:07:30

trying saying "men" but drop the N. say it like you could barely be bothered...

you're about there now
101 - Sat 10 Jul 2004 21:00:26

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Baby Bear for Sleaze, Pleaze
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I have changed the colour on this wall so that it isn't confused with the Party Graffiti Wall. Yes, I do know Sleaze is a party, but it is not just a party.
Panther - Sun 11 Jul 2004 11:50:41

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And it's softer on the eyes after a hard weekend Panther..

Ta
NG - Sun 11 Jul 2004 13:22:05

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Dear - Fri 9 Jul 2004 18:57:18

Dear Anonymous,

In response to your post I would first like to thank you for the time you have taken to construct your reply. However I feel that it is pertinent at this point in time to highlight a few facts.

Firstly you have stated that:

“For one with so much audio experience you should know that if you record and EQ your cd right the first time you can get it right the first time and only require a bit or normalising and maybe a quick EQ or volume tweak here and there. the songs you use should have been produced well enough to use without too much reworking and if not, look harder for better cuts.”

1) At no time did I imply expressly or otherwise that any recording made by me was to cd-based media in real time.

2) You have made the assumption that I work with substandard material to begin with. This highlights your lack of knowledge of my practices. Those who know me would never entertain such an idea. To qualify this most of my collection is purchased on vinyl and mastered to cd and stored in wav format digitally. My originals have been played once; allowing me to maintain a collection of superior quality. So I do not need to “look for better cuts”

3) You have implied that the recording process is centred on a ritual “EQ”. An accurate recording does not start with an equalisation rather more attention to the gain structure or your recording and the equipment you use to make that recording.

Lets go on; you stated:

“before you critice other djs who can get it right the first time, consider that maybe you need to work on your recording, editing and djing techniques”

1) I am amused that you are of the opinion that I was criticising my fellow Dj’s; I was simply criticising you. My ability to “get it right the first time” has been demonstrated time and time again across the seven years I have been playing”. Judge the results of someone’s works for the process is their own.

I hope the time I have spent in reply will allow you to stop pause before you let your fingers do the talking for a second time.
Ryan Murphy - Mon 12 Jul 2004 12:44:34

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Ryan, I don't know why you bothered but for the record folks, Ryan Murphy is one of the (unfortunately) few DJs who truly understands every element of sound systems, both small and large. He worked with me for some time on the Frisky parties and is always my trusted deputy on jobs when I get taken overseas to design and operate audio for Atlantis Events (that has been wonderfully an annual thing to date). He will also be totally trusted being my 'ears' at the next Toybox as I'll be in the UK.

He also worked closely with Ruby for nearly 2 years, who is a highly recognised technical designer, and learnt enormously there of all technical aspects of the business, not just audio.

Enough of the mutual admiration society stuff but anonymous comments should at least have some facts behind their personal attacks.

Next time mate, ignore the totally ignorable.
Noisy Gypsy - Mon 12 Jul 2004 14:47:05

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Oh yes, and Ryan knows NOT to push every single mixer he uses into the dire distorting Red Zone and potential 'melt-down'. The next time you hear an inferior sound quality when you are out, first check the DJ isn't trying to 'fry' the mixer by overloading the input and/or output levels - it's commonly the first problem happening.
NG - Mon 12 Jul 2004 14:50:58

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Can we please have 'surround' sound - speakers in all 4 corners of the dome and horden? At last year's Sleaze the sound in the Horden was appalling due to speakers only at the front of the room!
confused - Mon 12 Jul 2004 16:52:56

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Dear Ryan,

your over-confidence astounds me.

what you basically just said is. i record my vinyl to cd, burn them and then mix them, or ... that you mix them in an editing program rather than real time (which is really uncool).

obviously the gain level must be set right, i can't believe you would even bring that up. but further to gain there is EQ... and this is where the subtle improvements of even 'good'recordings are found to make them great.

i have heard you mix and thought you were really competent but certainly not as amazing technically or musically as you imply. your style is not for me, but i do appreciate good mixing, and was not overly impressed.

as for your personal manner, well....
- Mon 12 Jul 2004 17:11:50

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as for your personal manner, well....
- Mon 12 Jul 2004 17:11:50

<rant>
without wanting to sound as rude as you seem to be ... what the frukk has this ryan-flaming got to do with the sleaze party or even everyday decency? And if you're going to be so personally scathing of someone then at least be man/lesbian enuff to sign your posts with your real name.
</rant>
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put the dance back into parties - Mon 12 Jul 2004 18:59:55

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TO THE ANONYMOUS ATTACKER OF RYAN MURPHY:

If you:
Earn the money and or adulation he does;
Insist on higher than 44.1 kHz digital "quality";
Have performed live with screwdriver in one hand and soldering iron in the other (tools not drinks);

Then why don't you show your technical superiority by submitting your own mix for auditioning?
Professor - Put your money where your mouth is - Mon 12 Jul 2004 19:52:22

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Can somebody please confirm for me if this is the graffitti wall that is meant to be discussing Sleaze ball 2004 ?

Nothing I've seen on here in the last few days confirms that sentiment
Luke B - Mon 12 Jul 2004 20:50:27

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Dear what ever you name is. Again you have made numerous assumptions all of which were wrong.. None the less; I am sure that everyone is sick of reading about a topic like this so suggest that you take it up personally with me at ryanmurphy@ihug.com.au and indeed anyone else who would like me to qualify how I produce cd’s for demos feel free to contact me at this address.

I will not stoop as low as you have with laughable insults and poorly worded jibes. But I will end this string of the conversation that has drifted so far from it’s original topic of demonstration cd’s and DJ pay for sleaze ball.

Lets get back to the topic of the board.

What do people think about a funk house space?( Hed kandi meets defected style )
ryan murphy - Mon 12 Jul 2004 21:24:44

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Those that know what they know, know that Ryan knows what he knows and knows it well. God knows we could all know a bit more knowledge in our lives. One thing I know for damn sure is that Our Ryan span a wicked set at NMG this year and I'm sre looking forward to the next big show - hopefully at Sleaze 2004 (...bringing it back on topic lol).

Love your work hun. (And it loves you!)
Trance Trance Trance - Mon 12 Jul 2004 22:54:53

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back on topic, if there has to be a show, can it be the boys from the diet coke series of commercials? hehe
make mine a diet cock with lime - Tue 13 Jul 2004 00:12:42

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make mine a diet cock with lime - Tue 13 Jul 2004 00:12:42

ooh, I volunteer to do the smooth test (slurp)!
Bgrrl - Tue 13 Jul 2004 02:07:19

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Does anyone know how NMG select the shows?
And does any one know who did the first show at last MG, with Ian Roberts on the screen going "I am a queen"?
- Tue 13 Jul 2004 12:14:06

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"Can we please have 'surround' sound - speakers in all 4 corners of the dome and horden? At last year's Sleaze the sound in the Horden was appalling due to speakers only at the front of the room!
confused - Mon 12 Jul 2004 16:52:56"

Actually, they were all in the centre pushing outwards causing massive under-stage bass distortion for the DJs. They could virtually nothing by droning bass during their sets. Just ask Ryan, Josh or Neal.
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- Tue 13 Jul 2004 12:14:06

From previous experience, NMG chooses shows based on the creative ideas put forward by people on the Party Working Group, as well as the Creative Sub-Committees. There's been a lot of talk on other walls about shows not being good, or shows not being important to the event. My suggestion is stop whining about the supposed sub-standard shows (which I don't think they are), and join a working group or committee and have some input (especially some girls!). I know the previous post said nothing about the quality of the shows, just asking about how they were chosen, but that's my two cents.

ALso, rumour mill says:
1)George Michael is a big possibility (nothing new there)
2)Live simulated sex shows on stage/in cages?
3)new innovations in lighting/sound/scenic not seen in AUstralia beore
4)dedicated NMG Members line at bars, coatcheck, entry
5)Live webcast
6)Did someone mention Brian from Queer as Folk making an appearance?

And I'm done
DTM - Tue 13 Jul 2004 14:09:03

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i heard britney houston is performing with deborah aguileira
- Tue 13 Jul 2004 17:29:20

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To refer to the shows we have at MG and Sleaze as substandard (not everyone's opinion I know) is a huge faux pass!!
After going to a few parties in the states recently including some of the biggest circuit party weekends there (Gayday's etc)where you pay a couple of hundred dollars US for party tickets none of the show's over there come close to the quality, creativity and production levels that we see in the shows here....I dont think many people realise how very very lucky we are to have the shows and party production levels that are here and for Australia to be so isolated geographically its pretty amazing! The circuit parties in the USA are awesome but I cant wait for Sleaze!!
Nick - proud to be a strayan!! - Tue 13 Jul 2004 19:23:23

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Nick - proud to be a strayan!! -
Tue 13 Jul 2004 19:23:23

Never been to the U.S, so I really couldn't compare the shows we have here. But now I know...

I CAN'T WAIT FOR SLEAZE!

Thanks mate! Dance parties are great, but they're even better knowing they are some of the best in the World.
- Tue 13 Jul 2004 19:55:44

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as for Ryan Murphy's idea for a funk house space...well, all i can say is... Donna Giles "and i'm telling you"...oh yeah!
Ms Golightly - Tue 13 Jul 2004 22:11:57

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Ms Golightly - Tue 13 Jul 2004 22:11:57

And I ran , I ran so far away........

Yes Im still running from you queen , you're just too much !!

God help me on Friday night.
Stephen Blomfield - Tue 13 Jul 2004 22:18:13

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now now now Mr Blomfield...arq aint all that big! you can run but you cant hide!
Ms Golightly - Wed 14 Jul 2004 03:11:43

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We love youse Rysey Smurfey!
www.jakekilby.com - Wed 14 Jul 2004 17:36:56

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countdownboy - Wed 14 Jul 2004 17:49:35

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Gosh! Thats a bright countdown...

Does the Sleaze theme has some thing to do with the Roman empire?
- Wed 14 Jul 2004 18:32:45

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And i loves you jakey killbies. Internally and Externally. And my sisters Shanika, Danika, Laquita and Ms Rhonda also loves you. You Funk my world.
Ryan Murphy - Thu 15 Jul 2004 16:42:55

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Olympics ... Athens ... Roman

Maybe there is something there?
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Um, Olympics, Athens is Greek, not Roman.
But then again, there is Greco-Roman wrestling...
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If sleaze is going to be dirtier musically than last year, what kind of spaces are they doing?

suggestions
-dirty/house (not christina etc pretending they're dirty)
-tribal/prog/tech/n breaks (gritty jackin bumping beats)
-trance, but dirty trance (not divas with strings)
-outdoor small funk hiphop space with a great harlem theme

if NMG are intending on doing sleaze dirty again, it would be great if the rhi and city live existing formats get a rest. it would be brilliant to just have dome, hordern and city live pumping as dirty spaces (with a little outdoor space if poss)- i'm sure they could pull it off.
here's hoping - Sun 18 Jul 2004 15:51:02

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here's hoping - Sun 18 Jul 2004 15:51:02

Surely you must be kidding.

After the overwhelming success of Retro Music in City Live at mardi Gras as well as the extremely well attended Retro Sexual at Arq on Friday night to suggest that Mardi Gras abandon a Retro space at Sleaze ball would be akin to New Mardi Gras committing an act of harakiri.

Your suggestion to not use the RHI is simply sacrilegious and shows a complete lack of appreciation of tradition.

The styles of music you suggest are in the main only appreciated by a MINORITY of gay & lesbain party goers although they are far more widely appreciated by the straight community and lets face it New Mardi Gras is not in the business of supplying music and themes that appease the hetro community. If Mardi Gras supplied a Sleaze with only your suggested music styles with no RHI then I would politely suggest they'd be lucky to get 5,000 people and that in anybodys language would be considered a monumental flop of a disaster.

Theres nothing wrong with suggestion things but please be a bit more realistic next time.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 16:54:10

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re: here's hoping

I wish. I really do, but those tired queens that get very vocal about their beloved girly cheese will whinge til the cows come home

it's Sleaze Ball 2004, not a cutting edge dance party in touch with current musical trends
Mr Panties - hands down pants, not hands in the air ! - Sun 18 Jul 2004 17:16:42

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here's hoping - Sun 18 Jul 2004 15:51:02

I my self am a huge fan of trans/house, I wouldn't mind listning to trans all night long. But my partner is at home with handbag stuff...so I'd say keep both.
But I must admit, RHI space is wasted if they're going to be strict girly stuff...RHI should have a healthy bout of house and trans as well.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:29:41

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"The styles of music you suggest are in the main only appreciated by a MINORITY of gay & lesbain party goers although they are far more widely appreciated by the straight community and lets face it New Mardi Gras is not in the business of supplying music and themes that appease the hetro community"

So hardly any poofs like dirty but heaps of straights do. clearly, I must be straight. I wish you'd told me and the 2,000 or so guys I've had sex with - with dirty beats in the background - before now.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:33:21

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Will there be a dedicated sex space at sleaze...?
Sex Space Addict - Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:40:08

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George Michael...??? WOW...! SEX in the MENS ROOM. Woo Hoo...!
Sex Adict - Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:41:10

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I see the cows have already started moo'ing
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 19:21:10

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Theres nothing wrong with suggestion things but please be a bit more realistic next time.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 16:54:10

How does anyone know what is in the minority and what is in the majority?

Oh my god! Was there a census and chook raffle which I missed at the last dance party?!?
H - Sun 18 Jul 2004 20:39:41

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So hardly any poofs like dirty but heaps of straights do. clearly, I must be straight. I wish you'd told me and the 2,000 or so guys I've had sex with - with dirty beats in the background - before now.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:33:21

Oh you must be in the media business because you have done a fine job of completely twisting my comment out of context.

Lets reconfirm : Lets say there are 15,000 at a gay party and we ask them what style of music they want to hear as they walk in the entrance. You cant honestly say that quite a deal more than 50% will want commercail / handbag / cheese or retro. That leaves the lovers of dirty / dark / funk / etc etc in the MINORITY.

Thats why commercial music has always been in the RHI. Because it caters to the MAJORITY.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 21:10:24

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Thats why commercial music has always been in the RHI. Because it caters to the MAJORITY.
- Sun 18 Jul 2004 21:10:24'

Hmmm. I think I'd be inclined to run that census and chook raffle that an early poster mentioned before I claimed any divine insight into minority and majority tastes love. "I may not know much about music styles but I know what I like"
- Mon 19 Jul 2004 11:02:49

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The poster who earlier suggested that Sleaze Ball should dump the RHI should have his or her head read.

The RHI has been for as long as most people can remember been the centrepiece of the party. It has so much tradition behind it that to leave it out would be just plain silly.

Lets examine the last time the RHI wasn't used for a Mardi Gras run party. It was Sleaze Ball 2002 (the one that was run by Pride after the collapse of SGLMG).

That party did not use the RHI and was hoping to sell 8,000 tickets. It actually sold about 4,500 and was the smallest attended Sleaze Ball since 1983. Therein you see the power of the RHI. Not supplying that hall at Sleaze 2002 made people disinterested in attending.

I know Mardi Gras would never dump the RHI so I'm confident all wiull be well for a fabulous Sleaze 2004 with a complete mix of music styles to cater for EVERYBODY
White Dove - Mon 19 Jul 2004 11:51:28

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Wow, thanks for all the replies.

The ditch-RHI plan was only a suggestion as I gathered Sleaze Ball is not the same demographic as MG, it is a little less mainstream. Perhaps I'm wrong. The other reason was that the MG djs complained of sound problems from the RHI, which aren't so constraining in the other spaces. I think you're right though, perhaps there is space for cheese too (but perhaps cleverly themed so as no to resemble any other night at Arq)

The problem for me with big parties is they're so institutionalised that the events are usually not as exciting or memorable as we'd hope. I just thought NMG's initiative to take a new tangent off Sleaze sounded exciting

thanks for your comments
here's hoping - Mon 19 Jul 2004 15:27:32

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Well said White Dove!

2004 was my first Mardi Gras...most of my memories are in the RHI. It had the best shows and was always the place we ran in to friends. This is going to be my first Sleaze, and I'm hoping for nothing less than a repeat of MG, or some thing even better!
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countdownboy - Mon 19 Jul 2004 15:37:17

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We need, no want RHI as part of sleaze 2004!!!! Without it it just wouldn't be sleaze....

Also, can we get sleaze back to its dark roots?
confused - Mon 19 Jul 2004 17:26:26

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I wish you'd told me and the 2,000 or so guys I've had sex with ... Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:33:21

Why hello friend! you sound like just the demographic sleaze needs to attract!

now, whilst i don't support the idea of ditching the RHI, i think there is room to differentiate the styles of the RHI and Horden a little bit more - both muscially and thematically. This is a trend NMG has been moving towards, but there have been some years the RHI and Horden could have essentially been the same venue - the musical styles, indeed the songs played, were just too similar.

I believe the RHI should retain its traditional musical style, which like it or love it, is the centrepiece of the party. Horden however, can go considerably darker - starting off as funk and or progressive than moving through to finish off quite tribal. On either side of those 2 main spaces, which will probably cater for about 80% of party goers, we could have the dome - which can be even darker still, and the retro space which would be shimmering glittering sparkling lightness for those who want something even cheesier than the RHI.

as Stevie Nicks once crooned "i can't wait"!
Ms Golightly - Mon 19 Jul 2004 17:53:44

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I have serious misgivings about using the RHI + Hordern + CityLive + Dome for Sleaze. That's an awful lot of space to fill. Bear in mind that at the last MG, which didn't use the Dome, crowds were visibly thinning in the Hordern from 5am. I'm thrilled that the Dome is back in operation but it will only work if people are shoulder to shoulder. The Dome just doesn't work if you can see through the crowd. And the Dome, for me, sums up the spirit of Sleaze in a way that the RHI (let alone CityLive - heaven forbid) never can or will. I suggest not using the Hordern. There are still 3 spaces left. Let's go for quality not quantity.
Paul Diamondo - Mon 19 Jul 2004 18:37:23

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re sex spaces... I think that you will find that Fox studios and Playbill venues will NEVER again condone these spaces as it is a conflict of liquor licensing. I also believe that this topic comes up every party. Time to get over it people, we had them for years, now we dont, move on. If you want to have sex and listen to music either do it at home or try one of the sex on premise venues.
- Mon 19 Jul 2004 19:42:02

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Due to the fact that Sleaze isnt as heavily attended as Mardi Gras I am also of the belief that 4 spaces is too many. In my opinion City Live has to go and I would like to suggest the following -

RHI - Retro
Hordern - Trance & Hard House
Dome - Dirty / Deep House etc

Dumping current handbag music in the RHI and giving retro a go in the main hall would in my opinion work a treat. Current handbag music is currently more tribal these days (eg Hex Hector , Club 69 , Thunderpuss etc) and its nowhere near as girly as it was in the mid to late 90's. If you want the RHI to maintain its girly/cheesy feel then you cant go wrong with the sort of music that Scott, Blomfiled and Kilby played in City Live at Mardi Gras this year.
Lemon Squash - Mon 19 Jul 2004 20:40:18

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"The problem for me with big parties is they're so institutionalised..."
here's hoping - Mon 19 Jul 2004 15:27:32

Yawn! Ho hum... I think you must go to different big parties than the ones I go to. Best nights of my life - again... and again... and again... and again...

Maybe it's your mindset and attitude that are becoming institutionalised or less creative. Not putting you down (well only a bit) but if you go to these things with the attititude that you're so over it all and it's all been done before then chances are you too will have a crap night and blame it on the party.

All parties big or small are about the people you're with, the music and the sizzle of the crowd. You control the first, great DJ selection controls the second and a critical mass of people combined with the DJ's skills create the third. Great shows and decor are an added bonus but not the main game IMHO.

I think you've just gotta have an open mind and basically create that great time yourself - look for the good in it. For me, it's mostly about the people I'm with. I've had great great times at parties that others have slagged off. So go with your bestest closest pals and have the time of your life. The shows and the decor - even the msic sometimes - are secondary to that. Human interaction and relationships is what makes everything worthwhile.

Blah blah blah always look on the bright side blah blah blah
Trance Trance Trance - Mon 19 Jul 2004 21:35:24

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Yes, Big parties are made by the people who attend and their decision to have a great time. While there's still life left in big parties let them continue.

You can just stare at the inmates through the chickenwire fence!
supporter - Tue 20 Jul 2004 01:32:50

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"Sleaze isnt as heavily attended as Mardi Gras "
Lemon Squash - Mon 19 Jul 2004 20:40:18

I'm pretty sure the last Sleaze I attended (all of 9 months ago) had about 17,000 people there. Call me controversial but that seems like a pretty healthy crowd. The difference between that and, say, 19-20,000 is hardly noticeable.
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 20 Jul 2004 10:37:27

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Oh Trance Trance Trance Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear

17,000 at Sleaze 2003. You must have been seeing double all night possum.

Check Panthers Sleaze Ball History Wall and it states ...

Sleaze Ball - Flesh Dressed Up - 4 October 2003
9000 tickets at $90

The last time Sleaze got anywhere near 17,000 was in 1997 which was the highest selling Sleaze in history.

Call you controversial - Possibly.
Call you totally inaccurate - Absolutely :P
My 5 cents worth - Tue 20 Jul 2004 11:12:34

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Been on holidays for a couple of weeks and cant beleive the "ditch the RHI" postings. Hello ? the RHI/Hordern/City Live virtually always packed as had Dome when it was used for its dark dirty/tribal style. Only time I dance in the RHI is at the beginning of the night when there is space otherwise for rest of night its a crush......so how can you ditch it if its soooooo popular ?

Lemon Squash - obviously a Retro fan but its one thing to fill City Live with what 1500-2000 ? and fill the RHI with around 6000-8000 ?

Why change a formula that has worked ? and still fills the Halls ? fair enough if a Hall only half fills during a night but cant remember that happening for the last 15 or so years I've been attending.

I'm just hoping they return the Hordern and Dome back to the way they used to be and not mix the 2 styles into the one hall.
Just busting - Tue 20 Jul 2004 13:42:00

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Sex Space Addict - Sun 18 Jul 2004 18:40:08

Sadly its a fact of life that there will never be a sex space at Fox Studios unless there is a change in the licensing laws that govern our parties. Why keep bringing this subject up over and over again, not many of us do not like the outcome but sadly have to live with it and mke the best of it.
Madonna Minogue - Tue 20 Jul 2004 14:33:08

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Sex Space Approved For Sleaze 2004

In the tradition of past Hand In Hand parties Sleaze 2004 this year will be introducing a heated tunnel leading from Fox Studios all the way to a 4 bedroom terrace house in Moore Park Road. Party goers can make the 900 metre walk in about 2 to 3 minutes and be greeted every 100 metres with speakers playing the music from the RHI all night long. Once you arrive at the designated sex space on Moore Park Road there will be complimentary lube and condoms and a choice of 6 spacious carpeted rooms some of which will even have mattresses installed. Music in the Moore Park Road residence will be supplied by this years favourite DJ who has worked his butt off at the Newtwon & Stonewall Hotels, Mr Jukebox Nitelife. Just dont forget to bring your dollar coins cause the music stops when the requests stop.

New Mardi Gras co Chairs Sands & Orr have been quoted as saying they are delighted that New Mardi Gras has found a way to put the sex back into our dance parties and that they have found a place for it to happen that is within such close proximity of the actual party. They feel sure that party goers will not be put off with the nearly 1km walk citing the music being installed in the tunnel every 100 metres as a way to keeping all punters happy whilst they make their way to the designated area for sex.

As usual the stuffy Moore Park residence are up in arms over this concept and will be appealing this decision to any court they can whinge and moan to.

More details as they come to hand.......
Roving Reporter - Tue 20 Jul 2004 15:31:53
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I can't think of anything worse than turning RHI into non-stop retro for Sleaze. At least there will be room to play a friendly game of empty water bottle soccer!

Lets please keep RHI in its traditional music format, and make Hordern as the dirtier, seedier cousin.
H - Tue 20 Jul 2004 15:40:15

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The RHI is a scene, not a style. Change the music and make IT dark. Surely being gay, and the term "camp" is about resistance to definition and continual evolution, as much as it is about alternate to mainstream sexual practices?

Why is everyone so afraid of doing something different?
BORING
- Tue 20 Jul 2004 15:43:19

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Let's get Mr Paul Goodyear play a marathon set in the RHI.

Then Sveta, Feisty and Mandy Rollins can do their dirty sets in the Horden (Dark and tribal take precedence over Trance at Sleaze).

Luke and Neal Crawford do a trance double act at the Dome (Sorry for the delegation but see above).

Retrolovers can take over Stagefright.
IMHO - Tue 20 Jul 2004 17:32:41

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I love this wall...its silence is deceptive... the replies, when they come, come in droves!

By the way, from us boys in Melbourne, NEAL CRAWFORD'S A DROP DEAD CUTIE!
- Tue 20 Jul 2004 19:49:46

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Roving Reporter - Tue 20 Jul 2004 15:31:53
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

I think Panther doesnt understand a piece of good humour when he comes across it ;)
- Tue 20 Jul 2004 20:03:32
Actually, my humour was even more subtle than Roving Reporters. - Panther

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Touche Panther, Touche.
- Tue 20 Jul 2004 20:40:09

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Call you totally inaccurate - Absolutely :P
My 5 cents worth - Tue 20 Jul 2004 11:12:34

OK mea culpa. Just checked the SSO and says it was nearly 10,000 at Sleaze last year (they kept selling on the night)

I suspect they could have done even more, though. From recollection the tix went on sale pretty late - and there was all that ridiculous Fox/Livid booking date controversy to work through.

Anyway If they limit it to RHI/Hordern and a chillout space that would be fine - so long as we get some Trance in the RHI. (No yucky tribal IMHO!!! - unless, of course, it's Neal Crawford Tribal)
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 20 Jul 2004 21:10:57

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I think I stumbled across a piece of news today -the sleaze lineup

RHI - Shigeki, Sandi Hotrod, Jimmy Dee
Hordern - Ruby, Jojo, Nervous
Dome - Annabelle Gaspar, Seymour Butz, Jimrek (Bris)

who is dj jimrek?
- Tue 20 Jul 2004 23:11:18
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Roving Reporter - Tue 20 Jul 2004 15:31:53

Hrrmm... I'm over in Moore Park Gardens, any chance New Mardi Gras would extend said tunnel just a little further down... like to Bourke Street? Please?
H - Wed 21 Jul 2004 00:51:20

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I think I stumbled across a piece of news today -the sleaze lineup
H - Wed 21 Jul 2004 00:51:20

I think you've got it wrong...sleaze won't sell without Leal/Crawford/Kilby/Goodyear/Boladian/Taylor...the the golden boys of our times.
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- Tue 20 Jul 2004 23:11:18

What lies !!!

NMG Party Committee havent even finished short listing the DJ's yet and as such not one single DJ has yet been asked to submit a demo.

Your comment is the sort of rubbish that shouldnt even be published on this wall. Its about as believable as the annual rumour that Madonna & Cher will be performing on stage together at Mardi Gras every year !
My 5 cents worth - Wed 21 Jul 2004 09:47:51

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Madonna's coming?????? Oh WoW!!! Fantastic!!!!!! I'm there baby!! I knew she would eventually come to her senses!!!!! Oh please please please please pleeeeeeeeeze(!) I hope she does Like a Prayer and then one of her own choice!!!!!!

[You can NEVER have enough exclamation points(!)]
Trance Trance Trance - Trance TRance Trance is unable to verify this statement - Wed 21 Jul 2004 10:45:30

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oooooh, "Golden Boy" - I like that, sounds like a super hero. Or a sexual deviant. A little from column A, a little from column B.
www.lukeleal.com - Wed 21 Jul 2004 10:57:39

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Oh my God Madonna and Cher are performing at Sleaze!!
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Ahh Luke, you'll always be a golden boy to us Melbourn boys!! Hope they'll mix things up at the RHI to include you and (atleast) Neal Crawford...it's time RHI got some hardcore rhythm!!!

Madonna?!? right now I'll settle for Iio doing their old tracks "At The End" and "Rapture", mixed perhaps by Luke Leal or Craig Payne...and that is NOT a request, just comments.
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- Wed 21 Jul 2004 12:10:41
Offensive message deleted. - Panther

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- Tue 20 Jul 2004 23:11:18

Expressions of interest for DJ's close this coming friday. All shortlisted DJ's will be contacted by the following friday. These are the facts from the NGM website.
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I am in no way shape or form a fan of Paul Goodyear's DJ'ing or the style of music he plays, in fact I think he is highly over-rated these days. However I am even less a fan of the disgusting style of bigotry that has been displayed by the person posting today at Wed 21 Jul 2004 12:10:41. You should be appalled.
My 5 cents worth - Wed 21 Jul 2004 16:20:28

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I cant believe I just read that.

Perhaps all the straight set builders, sound engineers, lighting technicians, riggers, crew, catering staff, security etc also shouldn't get involved with out parties either.

Leave Paul alone you. Yes you should be appalled.!!
Brad W - Wed 21 Jul 2004 18:54:26

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WHO IS PAUL GOODYEAR?!?
Straight or Gay, he sounds too good to pass on ;-)

I have heaps of straight friends going to sleaze...perhaps we shoukd keep this wall a secret. Don't want my friends to get see the ugly side of our community.
- Wed 21 Jul 2004 19:19:17

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Now here's a funny story.

Two weeks ago I wrote an email to the party group at New Mardi Gras giving some feedback on Mardi Gras and some suggestions for Sleaze ball.

Here is the reply I received today -

Thankyou for submitting a written expression of interest. Once all expressions have been received, we will be sending the short listed candidates information on where to send their demo's. We will also send you a DJ pack with relevant information that will pertain to your submission.

Cheers,

Terri Duarte
Co-Chair Party Working Group
New Mardi Gras

At no point in my email did I say I was a DJ nor did I express any interest in being considered for a DJ's position at Sleaze Ball. I wouldn't know a trance track from a house track (whatever that means). All I wrote was some suggestions on how to make Sleaze a bit more fun.

Oh well at least that reply gave me a great laugh.
James- W - Wed 21 Jul 2004 21:07:16

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- Wed 21 Jul 2004 12:10:41

That's the most disgusting thing I've read in ages! For a start, Paul Goodyear is a gay institution. Regardless of his sexual preference, he has supported and been involved in the gay scene for longer than some posters on this wall have even lived.

I think you might find there is only ever one or two straight DJ's in a line up at one of our big parties. Having straights, poofs and dykes is called ":mixing it up a little" as you put it.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your comments are exactly the kind of discrimination that the GLBT community has tried to escape from for years.
www.jakekilby.com - Wed 21 Jul 2004 21:48:50

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James- W -
Wed 21 Jul 2004 21:07:16

Perhaps ther are using a automated system.
Other than that, I can't imagin why they should send such a rediculous reply.
Imagin, if your letter was to inform them that you are willing to sponsor Sleaze ball single handedly...wouldn't that've been sad over sight?!

Can I ask for a clarification, the posts with web sites, like www.jakekilby.com or www.lukeleal.com, are these posts from the DJs them selves or some one who's over seeing the web sites?
BoyFromMelbourne - Thu 22 Jul 2004 02:08:46

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www.jakekilby.com Confirmed - Wed 21 Jul 2004 21:48:50

Well said Jake..... The ignorance of some people is just outstanding! Let's hope he/she give the party a miss, and go and join everyone else with these narrow negative minds....

Lets appreciate our community, rather than smashing it to pieces. After all can you imagine not having it at all?

Ps Jake don't waste your time justifing yourself to these fools, not worth the effort...

Well done to all of our Sydney DJ's.... You all do a great job... regardless of sexuality you guys rock!!

See you all out and about!!
Think before you speak. Our DJ's rock!! - Thu 22 Jul 2004 08:12:17

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Can I ask for a clarification, the posts with web sites, like www.jakekilby.com or www.lukeleal.com, are these posts from the DJs them selves or some one who's over seeing the web sites?
BoyFromMelbourne - Thu 22 Jul 2004 02:08:46

Its definitely Jake & Luke speaking with those signatures.
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Yes. And www.nealcrawford.com is Neal speaking, provided you see the pink tick next to it to confirm that it is the person with authority to use that signature. I believe Justin Scott also uses his web address as his signature.
www.jakekilby.com - Thu 22 Jul 2004 10:40:34

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Just some ideas on the use of the Dome at Sleaze (and other parties.)

I think the Dome would be perfect as the Retro Space - primarily because it can cater for the high demand for the music and a flat floor is absolutely necessary for dancing to the classics - As much as I would love to dance in the retro space it is impossible on the sloping tiers.

The Dome is brilliant in creating a flow of punters whereas CityLive just bottlenecks and can be quite frustrating.

A pool table on the veranda would also be a nice retro touch reminiscent of those post party Sundays going off in the Beresford front bar and catching a breath now and then in the glass house. Those were the days.

As for the need to re-create the Dome of old - I really think we need to let go of the past - sex was the key to the Dome then and that will never be re-created no matter how hard and dark the music is.
A little change can be good - Thu 22 Jul 2004 10:53:33

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I think it's ironic that a post that states that "I really think we need to let go of the past" is recommending a retro space. Too funny.
lovin' it (no dotcom) - Thu 22 Jul 2004 11:36:28

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Retro music can be played - Sexual spaces are policed.
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I have nothing against retro, but i just can't seem to get my head around how you can fit in retro with sleaze? To me sleaze has always been about dark, dirty roots (no pun intended), whereas retro on the other hand is about happy uplifting, hands-in-the-air hits of yesteryear. I have no problem with a retro space at sleaze as retro was a hit at mardi gras and again at retrosexual at arq. However, I think that citylive would be the best stage for retro - not the dome, RHI etc. Let's not forget this is sleaze, not mardi gras .... the two parties are way different!
confused - Thu 22 Jul 2004 14:22:45

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Let go of the past but have a retro space at all???? Are you listening to yourself?

The dome should NEVER be tainted in that way. Think of all the glitter???? Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!1
HH - Thu 22 Jul 2004 14:41:26

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The Dome will work very nicely as a sexy space (not exactly the same as sex space though there's some overlap) but only if it's full. My fear is that all the venues will be only half to three quarters full - and that come 5 a.m. there'll be that slightly "down" feeling that big wide spaces create (for me at least - perhaps some people enjoy lots of space to wave their arms in). I guess the venues are booked by now and contracts are signed but I would advocate that we let the RHI go if possible if ticket sales are less than 12,000 a week before the party.
Paul Diamondo - Thu 22 Jul 2004 18:07:24

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To me sleaze has always been about dark, dirty roots (no pun intended), whereas retro on the other hand is about happy uplifting, hands-in-the-air hits of yesteryear.
confused (Thu 22 Jul 2004 14:22:45

oh dear...retro certainly had its dark and dirty moments....you've clearly forgotten all about black lace's "agadoo"
Ms Golightly - Thu 22 Jul 2004 19:31:26

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Gay Marriage...Please let the theme of Sleaze be Gay Marriage...
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Further to my posting of yesterday at James- W - Wed 21 Jul 2004 21:07:16 where I received an email from Mardi Gras saying that my so called "Dj submission" would be considered for short listing I just want to advise that today I received another email stating my submission had been successfully added to the short list for Sleaze.

Firstly two facts -

1. I never submitted a DJ application all I did was send an email to NMG suggesting a few ways to make Sleaze more fun.

2. I have never EVER DJ'ed in my life.

Woops !!!!

I have to just wonder how legit this so called short listing process is when I am in receipt of an email stating I have been added to the short list when I never made a submission and and never done a single DJ job in my life.

I think some serious questions need to be asked down Petersham way.

And yes , I know this email will get tagged "Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement"
James- W - Thu 22 Jul 2004 20:57:54

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Can I ask for a clarification, the posts with web sites, like www.jakekilby.com or www.lukeleal.com, are these posts from the DJs them selves or some one who's over seeing the web sites?
BoyFromMelbourne - Thu 22 Jul 2004 02:08:46

I started signing my posts with my web address just to promote the site rather than mention it everytime I posted. So yes it always me posting - there is only one employee here at lukeleal Inc. and ,guess what, it's me. ;-)I design and mantain the site myself and am slowly working on a Macromedia MX fueled lukeleal.com version 2.0 to launch (hopefully) by Sleaze Ball.
www.lukeleal.com - Thu 22 Jul 2004 21:41:52

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I would advocate that we let the RHI go if possible if ticket sales are less than 12,000 a week before the party.
Paul Diamondo - Thu 22 Jul 2004 18:07:24

Contracts would have been signed for; venue, designers, DJ's, riggers, equipment suppliers etc etc etc...

You cant just "cancel" a venue. There is more to it than that. Some of us spend up to two months working on a rooom even before the week of set up.
Brad W - Fri 23 Jul 2004 00:41:46

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Paul Diamondo - Thu 22 Jul 2004 18:07:24

Yeah great idea ..... NOT!
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James- W - Thu 22 Jul 2004 20:57:54

How funny. Yet some of us legitimate DJ's who had submitted have never even received a reply! I sent my expression of interest in late last week and have heard nothing whatsoever from NMG to even confirm it's receipt.
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- Fri 23 Jul 2004 06:31:18

So, NMG may not be using an automated system after all!

Is the deadline today or next friday to submit expressions of interests for DJs?
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This is bizarre - and what does it mean if you submitted an expression of interest and received both an acknowledgement and an invitation to submit a demo? Is this real or not? and the closing date is definitely today not next friday.
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Dear James W, in regards to sending an expression of interest, the server it is going through is filtering out viruses, and words it deems to be unsuitable, please re submit your expression of interest to terri_net@iprimus.com.au. There will be an email to all DJ's who wrote in, sent out over the weekend after today's deadline has passed. As i am not at home to access that particular folder, it might be safer to send your expression again , I really would hate for you to miss out.

In respect to the previous posting by James W regarding his feedback, I have expressed my personal apology to him, unfortunately his email got placed in the DJ's folder due to his subject heading (Sleaze DJ's). I sent out a response to everyone in that folder at the beginning of the week. An oversight on my part and one I do apologise for. I did not realise it would distress him as much as it did.
Thankyou all, for your support of New Mardi Gras and should you have any feedback please note my email address above and email me.

Kind Regards,

Terri Duarte
Co-Chair Party Working Group
New Mardi Gras

PS please keep in mind that I may not respond immediately due to NMG commitments and the volume of emails received daily, however I will email! :-)
Terri Duarte - Fri 23 Jul 2004 10:11:19

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Terri Duarte - that's service for you. Well fixed.
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Why thank you, see you at Sleaze!
Terri Duarte - Fri 23 Jul 2004 11:32:18

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I am horrified and more pissed off that the statements of James W being:

1. I never submitted a DJ application all I did was send an email to NMG suggesting a few ways to make Sleaze more fun.

2. I have never EVER DJ'ed in my life.

3.”I received another email stating my submission had been successfully added to the short list for Sleaze”

Mardi Gras May have made an apology voiced by Terri Duarte. The embarrassment of short listing someone who isn’t even a DJ is probably enough penance to pay. But I think an apology for the legitimate DJs should be made too.

Perhaps Mardi Gras needs an independent auditor to keep things in check. Come on guys’n’girls it cant be that hard can it.
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I want to know why James W said he was not a DJ when later on there is a comment from James W about not receiving a reply to his submission?
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I am so looking forward to Sleaze and venturing out again after my winter hibernation.

Sleaze without the RHI? Unthinkable! Was the poster who said that the RHI wasn't used in 2002 correct??? Don't tell me that I had THAT much of a good time as I don't remember that at all, and yes I was at the party!

After the overwhelming success of the Retro area at Mardi Gras I hope that it will be included in the line up for