Pinkboard: Sleaze Ball 2003 Graffiti Wall 2

Dressed Up: feather boas, bow ties, rope ties, manacles, necklaces, make up, tattoos, heels, corsets

Sleaze Ball is on Saturday 4th October from 10pm till 8am. Tickets are available from Ticketek (type Sleaze in box 1) $90/$80/$50.
Sleaze Ball is a fund raiser. The money goes towards the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade. This is New Mardi Gras' first Sleaze Ball.

New Mardi Gras
Sleaze Ball 2003 Graffiti Wall 1
Sleaze Ball 2003 Graffiti Wall 3

So is this so called "AMP Pavilion" still at Fox Studios, Can it be used as a hall at Mardi Gras or Sleaze these days ??
Now Im VERY curious - Sat 6 Sep 2003 21:56:16

$100 says you go !
Oh the posty is lousy so I wont go - how unbeleivable what about the music ? the DJ's ? yuor friends going ? - Sun 7 Sep 2003 07:44:51

Saw the poster for the first time yesterday and thought it was ok. It was never a deciding factor about going to the party.

Good friends and a good attitude is all that's needed for a good night out.

NMG should be patted on the back for at least getting the party on in the first place. They can only do so much to ensure peole have a good time, the rest is up to the people themselves.

Enjoy!
Newbie DJ - Sun 7 Sep 2003 08:19:41

Sadly no, it was one of the buildings Fox demolished.
- Sun 7 Sep 2003 08:48:58

the last few times i went to sleaze i had to get trolleyed to enjoy them and i was aching to go to those events. not desperate to see friends in a place where we will not see each other for more than a second. i would rather go to the movies for that kind of experience at a tenth of the cost (financial/physical)

trance in the hordern? pepsi challenge, provide us real trance, not just ruby smultz. did anyone see the ruby review on inthemix.com.au? worth a look
no comedown, just a natural cynic - Sun 7 Sep 2003 16:26:19

hilarious! bring the cowboy on.
lea - Sun 7 Sep 2003 23:49:46

This comment is clearly not written by Lee Jenkins. For one thing, being in that particular industry, I'm sure Lee can spell "Marketing".

So I pose this question: Who wrote it and why did they claim to be Lee when they clearly are not? No wonder this wall has such a bad reputation of getting people upset and into trouble when people write comments under other peoples' names. Whoever you are, grow up.
- Mon 8 Sep 2003 08:36:24

So........... Has anybody got any news ???
- Mon 8 Sep 2003 17:36:11

I remember this hall being called the Kensington Building. The building is still there next to Dome, but I don't know what happens there any more. I would guess that it is offices.
Arti - Mon 8 Sep 2003 18:55:42

all the pics on this wall arew from the poster. Just put them all together and you have the brilliance of the poster!
- Tue 9 Sep 2003 13:13:56

And just so you know, Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.
- Tue 9 Sep 2003 13:15:37

is the party wall still dreadfully serious or has it lightened up a bit yet?...i'm too scared to look.
Ms Golightly - Tue 9 Sep 2003 16:12:27

but shhhhhhhhhhh its a secret !!!!
dj - Tue 9 Sep 2003 17:45:35

same old same old by the sound of it...I at least know a couple who havent been ,and should have been, picked. The decisions have been made, spose we'll all see it in the paper this week.
- Tue 9 Sep 2003 19:56:59

Paul Diamondo - I "heard" it was to do with the National Trust not NMG nor Fox
etc. But can't see Fox being told who/what they can hire the Halls out to etc so lets see. Something to do with numbers in the Hall.
Dome - or The Banquet Hall in my days - was one of my first experiences of parties at Fox in the mid 80's.
Just stop your whinging till you know the facts - Wed 10 Sep 2003 07:36:54

That in normal lingo guys and gals is 24 days !!
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The Count goes on and on and on - Wed 10 Sep 2003 09:00:27

the sleaze dj line up rocks.
- Tue 9 Sep 2003 22:15:33

who do u think it is...
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 13:25:28

blah blah blah
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 16:31:50

who do u think it is...
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 13:25:28

I don't "think". I "know". I have the media release in my hot little hand right now...
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 16:45:28

- agreed on that one !!!!

who do u think it is...
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 13:25:28

- probably same as last year !!!!

better off going to something more credible. i'd rather give my cash to the inderpendant underground queer community. a real sence of "community".

love to all....
whatever - Wed 10 Sep 2003 18:13:00

rhi - jake kilby, alex taylor, shigeki
hordern - josh, ryan murphy, neil crawford
stage 11 - mandy rolins, buck naked, kelly lynch

one or two good djs
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 19:23:46
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

Put it this way - Sleaze is going to rock!!!
- Wed 10 Sep 2003 19:27:49

Thats a great lineup, however I have one reservation.

Didn't I read a month or so back that DJ shigeki is the boyfriend of one of the main selection people for the party at New Mardi Gras ?

If that's the case then I'm afraid thats a horrid conflict of interest regardless of the fact that shigeki may (or may not) be a great DJ.

And to make matters worse shigeki has been given the prime blue ribbon DJ slot (closing the RHI) and its his first ever Mardi Gras or Sleaze party.

In my opinion its a BIG RISK debuting a DJ playing the closing spot in a hall. It would have been far less controversial to place shigeki opening the RHI and given the closing slot to one of the two other RHI DJ's who are now highly experienced and respected campaigners - ie Alex Taylor & Jake Kilby.

Regardless of how good shigeki maybe the decision to select him is slightly tainted given who his boyfrind alledgedly is. The decision to pick him for the best and most highly sort after timeslot is in my opinion highly questionable.
Besides that its a great DJ lineup !!! - Wed 10 Sep 2003 20:02:34

Well, if i was a new DJ and my alleged committe member boyfiend put me "following" Alex Taylor and Jake Kilby i would be seriously pissed off!
For all i know it's innuendo, but I will say one thing, that's a hell of a baptism of fire!
Anyhow, Good Luck Shigeki (if you play "kids in america" i'll be happy and give you a glowing report on pinkboard, alternatively stevie nicks "edge of 17" is probably also ready for a re-airng)

Sally Tomatoe, what do we make of Mandy Rollins opening Sing Sing? I'm not exactly sure about that. And who was that atrocious creature having a go at you on the party wall?....he's banished to the nunnery (that magdalene sisters one for him!)
Ms Golightly - Wed 10 Sep 2003 22:29:24

Here is the complete media release from the website:

Final DJ selection for Sleaze 2003
New Mardi Gras today announced the names of 11 top DJs who will join Alex Taylor and DJ Josh at Sleaze Ball 2003.

"We're really excited with the final line-up for the night and are confident the crowds will find this a special and sleazy night," said New Mardi Gras' Mark Orr.

"Six of the DJs played for free at the Mardi Gras Party this year and we're pleased to acknowledge that support by giving them the opportunity to play at our first Sleaze Ball.

"A real hit at the Mardi Gras Party was the forecourt area for up-and-coming young DJs and we will be bringing this space back at Sleaze renamed as "The Gallery" for more outside party space.

"We also have five of the best female DJs on board and our female partygoers will be happy to know we will again have a special space for girls.

"We invited everyone who offered to play at Mardi Gras the chance to submit for Sleaze Ball. All the submissions were reviewed by some of the toughest party critics of our volunteers who made their recommendations back to the Board.

"Dome fans should not despair. The old City Live space, now renamed Stage 11, will be used as a space to replace the Dome," Mr Orr said.

Sleaze Ball 2003 DJ's include (in no set order):

RHI Alex Taylor, Jake Kilby, DJ Shigeki
Hordern DJ Josh, Ryan Murphy, Neal Crawford
Stage 11 Mandy Rollins, Buck Naked, Kelly Lynch
The Gallery DJ Beaker, Doctor Jane, Jimmy Dee, Anthony Whitlock

Sleaze Ball 2003
FLESH: Dressed Up
Saturday October 4
Tickets@Ticketek
www.mardigras.org.au
Dorff - Thu 11 Sep 2003 07:40:19

In case you had missed it, the DJs announced have been done so in no set order. Next time wait a few more hours till you get all the informatin before you start making allegations, its only FAIR.
Judge Judy - Thu 11 Sep 2003 10:42:08

And as for that rude individual who suggested I would be hospitalised on drugs on Monday, your sentence in the nunnery has been suspended on a good behaviour bond since you at least apologised. (It was a JOKE honey....well, sort of, anyway. I daresay my stomach will tolerate a couple of little packs of Up & Go by Monday evening.)
Sally Tomato - Thu 11 Sep 2003 11:25:50

Perhaps this is the only point of contention that could be raised in this year’s line-up; however predictability on such matters has seized the gears of the gears of the Gay and Lesbian community before. Would someone please go and grab a can of WD40 and shove it hard up the joints of those people who keep making unwanted noise.

All I see is two prominent members of the community doing their best to get involved and work within the community on projects that are important. Try Telling the First lady to stand down……I don’t think so!
Keepin'it'real - Thu 11 Sep 2003 11:57:17

I have to say that if I were him I'd probably have declined the opportunity - simply because I know how vicious people can be and it doesn't matter whether Shigeki got his slot on the basis of merit in competitive candidacy, he's going to get unfairly slagged. But then I'm thin-skinnned and possibly a bit gutless. I'm glad he's not.
- Thu 11 Sep 2003 12:21:15

Couldn't agree with you more.

As for not playing because of what people on this board might say, until the whingers start checking their facts before they sound off I think the rest of us on here (and in the wider community) can safely discount their rantings.
marcus b - Thu 11 Sep 2003 13:36:05

What I suspect most people are critical of is that the selection of DJ's has not been a transparent process. If the conflict of interest that is alleged to have occured on this board actually is so, then NMG, or the party committee itself should have ensured that the selection of DJ's was a 100% transparent process so these criticisms, which potentially could tarnish the reputation of both the DJ and the committee, would not arise. Alternatively, the alleged boyfriend on the committee should have abstained from the voting on which DJ's would play (if that was indeed the process - does anybody know?).

Sure, Shigeki may have experience entertaining the club crowd at the Shift, but compare that experience to to the club and party experience some of the notable omissions from the RHI DJ list, such as Luke Leal or Greg Boladian, would have.

To me it seems that the committee has allowed these suspicions to arise, not "patronising members of the community" making unwanted noise.

btw...where does one get WD40 these days, and if it comes with a spunky mechanic, all the better.
Ms Golightly - Thu 11 Sep 2003 14:30:53

I say give Shigeki a break.
- Thu 11 Sep 2003 14:50:53

To start with, the Party Director's name is Jock.

Secondly, if you look across the spectrum of DJs selected, you will see that they have been chosen due to their ability to attract a broad cross-section of the community and sell out this fundraiser for New Mardi Gras (I think you'll find this is where Shigeki fits in just nicely). Please do not lose sight of what Sleaze is there for - to shore up our fledgling organisation's finances.

Although there are many DJs I know who will be disappointed they didn't get selected this time, not everyone can play at this, or any other party. Congratulations to all and good luck.
Noisy Gypsy - Thu 11 Sep 2003 15:39:55

Jock is Mark's boss and he oversees and rubber stamps all decisions made by committees under his control - You work it out !!
Another case of jobs for the boys !! - Thu 11 Sep 2003 19:41:24

wrong wall PaulD
and if you'd read backwards on Party wall you would see that the Dome (Byron-Kennedy Hall) is heritage protected and has/will undergo repairs to damage exasperated by the Black Party @ Fox last November.
No more Dome for Dance parties, geddit?
humph - Thu 11 Sep 2003 19:59:51

And I've never heard Ryan Murphy play so can someone enlighten me to his style
of playing ? who does he play like ?
Just wondering - Thu 11 Sep 2003 20:10:44

The line up is very transparent.
- Thu 11 Sep 2003 20:34:31

Jock is not Mark's boss. Jock and Mark are both members of the NMG board.
Panther - Thu 11 Sep 2003 21:22:44

other points of contention - here we go...

Jimmy Dee, DIVA award winner for best DJ in new DJs space.

Anthony Whitlock playing in new DJs space. Please please please tell me I AM wrong, but hasn't he done one of the major halls at Sleaze before and didn't/doesn't he play regularly at ARQ?

Shigeki period, not cause he sleeps with anyone (but that is poor form as surely being on or married to the panel would automatically make you know not to submit as you are ruled out? isn't that why none of us have ever gone on the commitee before? it closes off that DJ set option, however) because shigeki has ousted DJs like Greg Bolladian, Paul Goodyear, Luke Leal, Lexie Bradfield, Kate Monroe, (and so on need I go on?) and he hasn't/doesn't play much, nor terribly well. watch out for the blanket of sleep if he isn't first as someone suggested.

being filmed on video camera for massive projections at an event you are not even allowed to take a camera to

stage 11 as a sexy music space - didn't anyone learn anything from the inquisition fiasco?

no tired looking queens or twink boy/girls on the poster

the space called trance with one real trance dj

probably enough for one bitch day
sorry, but you asked - Thu 11 Sep 2003 21:58:20

btw the way, positivity request,

BIG CONGRATS to kelly lynch who is definitely the sexiest girl DJ in Sydney

Beaker who is FAB.

Also, Josh is unreal, so sure she can do the best trance of the room - hope she is peak set.

ryan murphy, vocal euphoric trance, think six years ago and you're somewhere close musically but hear he is an ok DJ.

regardless, who cares, alex Taylor, the best DJ IS playing, and that is very very very very (VERY?) good. what a true star mr taylor is and good selection there. would really love to see him play in the hordern at MG next year if it goes back to non commercial house and similar sounds. he plays his best stuff when not made in rooms like QN main and RHI. AT rules

just wish henri and sista p were kickin out those two not-up-and comings but hey you can't have everything your way
positive attempt - Thu 11 Sep 2003 22:10:25

Who cares ? The selection of a DJ whose BF is on NMG board is just wrong and highly unethical.
- Thu 11 Sep 2003 22:36:53

Facts do matter, especially when so many people are jumping to conclusions about what might have happened, and then making ugly accusations.
Panther - Fri 12 Sep 2003 08:09:11

What would I say ??

My attitude wouldnt change - If they were going out with a board member they shouldnt be picked either.
Same rules for all - Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:02:01

Like Ryan Murphy......
Doh! - Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:29:24

Try getting there on time, for a change...
Doh! #2 - Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:37:12
This message is unnecessarily abusive.

I Just want to comment on this.... How does some on ever become good then if they are never given the chance to have a go. Have you ever got up at the hordon and DJ a party before?
- Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:43:20

In actual fact, neither Mark nor Jock were on the DJ selection Committee. The calibre of Community Co-Chairs being pro-active in the process, including Michael Rolik (former Parade angel and back-bone), should also dispel the gossip mongers' fears.

Please also remember that all these people are volunteers.

Sleaze will rock and we need it to financially secure the 2004 Mardi Gras season.
Noisy Gyspy - Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:51:04

Frankly, I feel sorry for Shigeki - he's an up and coming and increasing popular DJ trying to get ahead in the business (and aren't we always telling MG that they should give up and coming DJ's a go?) but people on this board are basically saying that for so long as his boyfriend in involved in MG he has to forgo any opportunity to ever DJ at anything even remote connected with MG events. Do we expect him to put his DJ career on hold? That's seems a bit unreasonable to me.

Now, some people may think Shigeki wasn't a good choice but your criticism should be based on his skills, experience, etc, and not these allegations of "jobs for mates". Anyone who's had any dealings with Michael Woodhouse would know that he's a bit of a process nazi, so even though I have no actual knowledge, I feel quite confident that Michael would have ensured that appropriate processes (including managing the conflict of interest) were followed.
Cakeboy - Fri 12 Sep 2003 10:13:57

It does not suggest to me that this space is for up and coming DJ's at all. In fact it states it was a popular space at Mardi Gras that will be renamed and utilised for Sleaze.

So experienced dj's such as Anthony Whitlock and Jimmy D can give us another option of where to hang out.

Personally, i wish there were four of me so i could hang in evry space all night without having to miss any of the dj's.
my thoughts - Fri 12 Sep 2003 10:14:59

I've never heard him play but my twink friends who go to the Shift really like
him so they are happy.

Maybe if they had gone the way of Pride in the past you would have reason to complain but its one DJ - AND how do you know for sure he did not get it on his
own merits ?
Well do you ? - Fri 12 Sep 2003 19:20:31

I first saw him play City Live at MG Party and it rocked. I have since made the time to see him a couple of times at the Shift and Stonewall and he has a huge amount of talent and mixes exceptionally well.

I hope they put him last in the line up as he has the skill to make it quite memorable.

I think the rest of the line up is fab also - I guess there are a lot of people that will disagree for lots of reasons, however I do not think it merits the personal attacks and scandalous inuendo that seems rampant even before the facts are fully known. Seems to be somewhat mischievous and I can only sumise that some of the more knee-jerk reactions are not as sincere as they appear, and an anonymous board like this would be a great place to whip up a bit of hysteria and curtail the success of Sleaze (which NMG depends upon for financial survival and ensuring that it has a future beyond the party).

Get behind it and buy a ticket this weekend as an act of total support for them, this will make sure we have another Parade next year.

And chillout - you could always stay at home!
- Fri 12 Sep 2003 19:22:21

Luke Leal turned down the opening spot of the RHI for Mardi Gras 1995

At that time he had only just started being a DJ and he was picked from a cassette demo he submitted to mardi Gras. He wasn't expecting to get picked. He only put the demo in for the experience of submitting.

After Mardi Gras chose him he wrestled with the idea for nearly 3 weeks before deciding he wasn't ready for the experience. He was replaced by Bobby Lloyd who was the resident DJ at the Albury Hotel at that time.

Luke went on to play opening spot in the RHI for Sleaze 1995 and opening spot in the Hordern for Mardi Gras 1996 and many other parties after that time (as we all know)....
DJ History Lesson. - Fri 12 Sep 2003 19:42:11

He likes to play commercial trance. His current music taste is very like what Ruby plays.

Prior to discovering trance he was the resident DJ on Saturday nights at the now defunked Caesars Bar at Camperdown.
Another DJ History Lesson. - Fri 12 Sep 2003 19:44:35

But can I stay sane throughout the whole thing?
call me crazy - Fri 12 Sep 2003 19:57:28

... and don'cha just love it? Seiously, nobody hates the DJ's.

Reminds me of a line this crazy lady used to say to me "..opinions are like arsholes - everybody has one!"
deep cover - Fri 12 Sep 2003 20:46:46

Checkout the latest SSO Letters and read the article on Dancefloor farting.

it's a crack-up!
but are they serious? - Fri 12 Sep 2003 21:28:44

As you can tell, I like my trance and I like the lasers. Unfortunately for me, I also missed on going to the last RUBY party, so we went to Arq instead. I didn't enjoy it as much as usual and too thought the sound was not right.
Has the sound system been deteriating, since I haven't been for a few months.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to Sleaze. I was hesitant to go to my first Sleaze 2 years ago, since I didn't think it would be like Hand-In-Hand or MG or Pride, but more hardcore, like the leather parties, umm Inquisition or something like that. But I went and enjoyed it and enjoyed last year too.
I know the insurance rise of a few years ago is killing the big parties, driving up costs without the comittee's being able to be as creative as before. The press about the lighting looks good. I've heard of most of the DJ's, but as usual I will wander around if the song is not to my liking and check out the "up and coming" DJ's. I'm there to dance not to pickup. There are 4 dance areas so everyone should be able to find something at different times of the night.
So as Big Kev says "I'm Excited"

Current track that takes me there :-
Madelyne - Beautiful Child
rambling man - Fri 12 Sep 2003 23:17:04

Anyhow, back to the DJ issues! As of now, I intend to reserve judgement until I hear him play. He'll either deliver or he won't...and we can all conclude what we like from his performance on the night. Good luck to him!

by the way...does anybody have mandy rollins e-mail...i may ask her to play "kids in america" as well.
Ms Golightly - Fri 12 Sep 2003 23:28:56

dj lesson 2 - get over yourself, you're just a DJ (said with good intention)

dj lesson 3 - abuse will come, praise will come, just do your thing and HAVE FUN

oh and try not to fart a lot, it scares off the crowd Lol
- Sat 13 Sep 2003 02:33:43

Mutt
- Sat 13 Sep 2003 10:45:32

At long last we're of the DJ topic but it's a fearful degeneration when we resort to farting on the dance floor as a topic. BUT.. Oh god, don't we all wish they would go somewhere else! but in all reality nobody is going to exit the dance floor just to pass a little gas, especially when the blame can be directed at 10000 others. I don't think it's the e, e and other amphetamines slow the gut and one would tend not to fart. May be dope, it relaxes all those controlling muscles.

Any new topics now...?

mutt
- Sat 13 Sep 2003 10:51:33

Toilet wise they generally use the cubicles, if felt up / perved at they just say thanks but I'm with someone. I get more hugs from them than my gay friends.

Was that OK for a new topic ?

Tee hee hee
Just busting to dance - Sat 13 Sep 2003 11:37:20

I'm not Rambling Man but it personally freaks me out. Nothing to do with where one is, no-it's just about modesty and privacy.

When my straights go all funny about this topic, I tell my straight friends "..youse have got it all wrong - they don't want to farq YOU - - no, They want to get farqed BY YOU"

It does their head in (i hope it does). Shuts 'em up, anyway.
more bad cabbage? - Sat 13 Sep 2003 13:47:37

I will be dancing with the boys, cause the music is better and the vibe is (usually) much more fun. Keep your eye out for a cute, spiky haired blonde dyke in a little white skirt...and come and have a dance!
Party grrrl - Sat 13 Sep 2003 18:28:59

At the risk of opening myself up for criticism, just by coming on this board, I will be playing a few classics at Sleaze. Working on a few things right now...
Jake Kilby - Sat 13 Sep 2003 19:10:11

The topic of discussion a few weeks back was revolving around mardi gras having a smaller space (not the RHI or Hordern) where the whole night would be retro and oldies, exactly for people like me who wouldnt know one current club tune from the next.
Current club music sux - It was better in the 90's - Sat 13 Sep 2003 19:42:00

The gay people I know are friends of friends, or people we have met at clubs or dance parties. They are from all walks of life and the fact that they are gay doesn't faze me. It's their personal choice. Some are camp, some are in the closet, some are only camp when drunk or around a few other gay people.

I usually don't use the urinals at gay or straight events, unless I am really busting. I do feel self conciuos(sp?) at the urinal and wouldn't appreciate someone standing next to me looking down, but it's only for a minute anyways. So I don't freak, but just feel a little uncomfortable.

I haven't seen anybody in the trough "get it on right there and then", but I have seen 2 "bears" wanking each other in the middle of the dance floor of the Dome and thought that they should take it somewhere else, like to loo's. Other the last few years I have walked past people giving other people head jobs, the last one being in the silver room of Queer Nation. I just rather people didn't go that far on the dancefloor, and found a spot off the dancefloor.

Quick Story : a few years ago the Horden had some shipping container on the side of the dance floor with curtains joining the boxes. My girlfriend and I stumbled into there looking for friends. It was a semi-official sex space, but we didn't know. We walked from one end to the other with a few guys giving us strange looks. I only worked out what the area was when we were half way through.

I don't have tickets on myself. I know I no looker, esp. since I'm 5kg overweight, and probably 10kg off my ideal weight. I have occasionaly had my bum pinched, though not often. The last time was at Queer Nation I was pinched by a cheeky lesbian. It something that you expect could happen and it's best to be polite. It's generally pretty easy to tell I'm straight but the look of me. Although I do usually try to dress in theme, when there is one. Not sure what I'm going to wear for Sleaze. I don't wanna get too many offers ;)

I looking forward to a night of dancing and wandering around. If it will be the last Sleaze at the Horden/RHI area then I hope the night will stay in peoples memories as a great time, and in a few years Pinkboarders will be able to say how much fun they had in the good old days of the large parties...
rambling man - Sat 13 Sep 2003 20:40:33

I also have to mention poilte. Everyone is sooo polite because everyone knows what it's like to be rejected, misunderstood and they don't want to perpetuate that sort of crap.

And there are lots of nice boys their mums would be proud of!
there is NO altenative - Sat 13 Sep 2003 22:22:32

Hopefully, Sleaze will be a success and will mean more money in the kitty for NMG. With more money to play with, maybe they will be able to offer a retro/classics hall in the future. Lord knows if they did, I would submit a demo for that venue.

Happy Sleaze to all and hopefully see everyone at the party. I'll be the one wearing headphones. Hard to miss.
jake - Sat 13 Sep 2003 23:34:45

but to all I say... RELAX, if you see a few bears in a circle jerk on the dance floor, or in a hard core perving match at the urinal, don't bring yourself down with a "wish they'd take it elsewhere" attitude, give em a "GO FOR IT BOYS" (or girls as the case may be)... Become part of the spirit, let the energy of the party and what comes with it consume you. You'll have an even better time. The the circle jerk bears also get to retain their feeling of freedom and acceptance from the people they are sharing their lifestyle with.

About three years back in the Dome toilets (classic) a few guys were getting it on at the urinal and on the floor (yadda Yadda) a comment from a young man at the urinal was "They should be arrested" I yelled GO FOR IT BOYS and got a resounding cheer.

mutt
- Sun 14 Sep 2003 09:38:42

I do not download any music. I never have and i never will. Any representative from APRA is welcome to inspect both my personal and work computers and they will not find any indication that I have ever downloaded a single track. When I say I am working on a few things now, I mean going through the archives, listening to classics and trying to work out what things I will play. I sleep soundly at night with a clear conscience.
- Sun 14 Sep 2003 12:56:27

I believe that true contentment comes from being able to do what you know is right even if the rest of the world "didn't get it".

Mutt, your philosophy aligns with mine. Love and let live.
- Sun 14 Sep 2003 13:36:28

NMG committee members might rarely make comment on this wall, but by God they watch it like a hawk.
- Sun 14 Sep 2003 16:59:29

I've heard from a reliable source that 2 of these big names in the form of Greg Boladian and Paul Goodyear both declined New Mardi Gras's offer to play or submit for Sleaze. It wasnt a case of them not being picked but more a case of they didnt want to play.

Alledgedly Boladian was asked to submit a demo but didn't have the time to do it in the timeframe NMG asked of him - so apparently he declined the invitation.

Goodyear has spent alot of time away from his Saturday night residency at Arq in recent months due to overseas gigs. Alledgedly he felt that he couldnt afford (financially or job security wise) to take another night off Arq in favour of a gig at Sleaze ball that apparently would only offer him less than one third of the amount he earns at Arq on a normal Saturday night - so he also declined New Mardi Gras's invitation.

So there you go - 2 big name DJ's deciding not to submit rather than not being picked.
Thats what I heard !! - Sun 14 Sep 2003 17:49:34

gay parties/cultures are based on age moreso than straight, because gay parties are all based on sex and attraction.

apparently as people are old they are unattractive and only there because they're 'fun' or 'trashbag funny' or 'still fabulous' or 'tragic'.

young people are prizes to be won and feel both the positive and negative implications of this.

Straight parties are largely attended by younger people than gay events on average as most straight people tend to 'grow up' (by straight definition - ie kids, life constraining job etc) and leave the parties behind in favour of bars and alcohol-only club experiences.

however, straight parties tend to be interested with music more than sex and this is a major plus - if you have working ears.

not implying one is better than another, but just trying to dispel one myth (probably only by propagating another admittedly) than gay parties are less ageist than straight parties
when was the last time YOU went to a straight party? - answers all round please - Sun 14 Sep 2003 18:55:52

Jake if you read this message I'd like to know this -

Do the DJ's at big dance parties keep a list of what they play? I'd be very keen to see a listing of what gets played at a dance party one day. You know what its like, everybody wanders and will invariably miss out on hearing a certain favourite song etc etc.

Would you or other Sleaze DJ's be prepared to list what you played after the event ?
just curious - Sun 14 Sep 2003 19:22:36

...ergo, i DO like that song.
Ms Golightly - Mon 15 Sep 2003 02:09:12

Totally unplayable in a dance party environment.

Yes Ms Golightly, i know you're trying to take the piss. Keep up the good work. You do make me laugh :)
Roofman - Mon 15 Sep 2003 08:18:27

I have no problem with giving you a list of what I play after the party. However, I'm loathe to write anything on this wall that might give the childish and cowardly people who take so much pleasure in (anonymously) shooting others down on this wall a chance to give me grief. If you want to give your email address, I will email it to you after Sleaze. And Ms Golightly, careful what you wish for, it might just get played!
- Mon 15 Sep 2003 08:53:45

I thought he was stating the life practice reality. Don't know about Paul but I'm a little tired of being called a "separatist" because I enjoy being a gay men, almost as bad as being called a wuckin poof, and from exactly the same mindset - "I don't think much of your sexual preference, it doesn't fit with my idea of what's correct"
- Mon 15 Sep 2003 12:53:05

I totally agree - just because I want to surround myself with as many like minded (half naked or fully) gay men as possible does me, not a separatist make.....just a trollop....ROLL ON SLEAZE !!!!
Josh - Mon 15 Sep 2003 13:25:35

Sometimes I will get lost in the moment with my girlfriend and I'll be giving her a french kiss and caressing her. But I won't let it go on for a whole song, since I'll remember where we are and take her off the dance floor out of consideration for the people around me. I know some gay people are offended by a display of hetrosexuality at a gay event, and I don't want to interrupt their evening.

on ageism: Luckily for me and my girlfriend, I don't look over 30, so we get along with the earlier 20 year olds ok. They are growning up in a time when they are more accepted by their peers than the people over 40 were when they were growing up and had to struggle and put up with a lot of shit. Of course there is still a long way to go in rights issues, but some are complacent because of the achievements so far. Anyways, you are right in that they usually want people near there own age, while older people who aren't looking for a long term relationship are looking for younger people too. Of course this is a generalisation.

Now it does seem that the straight parties do get great overseas DJ's while the gay events get good local DJ's playing overseas tracks. Anyways, the last straight party I went to I think was Clairvoyance, a psytrance night, at the City Hotel. Not a bad venue that holds 1200 on 2 levels, but needs a bit of decorating.

I personally believe that straights should not be going to gay events unless they are going with at least one gay friend. That is why the old way of getting tickets was probably better, but this is a controversial opinion. The last time I went to Arq, a saturday, I was suprised at how many straight people that seemed to be there. I can see why some gay people would feel that the vibe had changed. I have no problem dancing surrounded by half naked men, just a long as they aren't grinding against me, we can all enjoy the music.

--
Now playing Human Evolution - Human Evolution (Mix 1)
rambling man - Mon 15 Sep 2003 19:04:43

Rambling man, you are RAMBLING. Your stupid comment affects people like me.

I am straight and I make friends when I get there. I DON'T have to go with any gay person to a party that i love dearly.

you DO have tickets on yourself, make no mistake!
deep cover - Mon 15 Sep 2003 19:30:17

Last BIG straight party we went to would be Big Day Out a couple of years ago now. A very odd experience. Huge amounts of young people and schoolies, we had to keep our eyes peeled for queerness, and at times felt a bit uncomfy holding hands! I did usual dance party chat with sitting down boys only to have them look at me like I was some kind of weirdo and then the girlfriend dragged me away. Yet chatting to girls in the toilet queues they wouldn't shut up as if I was the only one who'd bothered to talk to them all day! We found a nice trance tent and enjoyed that, and really got into the laid back chillout on the lounges in the jazz room before we left. But not a gay party. It lacked a certain something. Queer people, perhaps? :-)
Evil Twin - Mon 15 Sep 2003 21:41:36

Mutt
- Mon 15 Sep 2003 23:18:53

Mutt
- Mon 15 Sep 2003 23:26:24

You are a talented and reliable PROFESSIONAL DJ.

You do it for love.

Remember that your DJ career preceeds you. See you at Sleaze, Queer Nation and Arq.
marathon man - Tue 16 Sep 2003 13:56:05

Pearl of Wisdom - they did that to create a more Dome-ish feel as the Dome wasn't the old Dome that night.

I agree though, don't stick the DJ in the middle. That is prime dancing real estate.
- Tue 16 Sep 2003 19:39:51

It simply means accepting difference.
- Wed 17 Sep 2003 08:03:09

Anyhow,

There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
There are now 17 dayds to Sleaze Ball !! YAY CANT WAIT !!!
counting my pennies - Wed 17 Sep 2003 08:03:43

play what your heart WANTS to.
simple simon - Wed 17 Sep 2003 11:15:55

- People get a listen to -

- Stereo Soundclash - Stand Back - old Stevie Nicks track - heard dj play it on the weekend - Camp & Cool at the same time -
put it in the maybe basket please sleaze dj's - Wed 17 Sep 2003 14:20:37

Probably because "sleaze ball" is indelibly associated with Sydney - you know what Melburnians are like about Sydney, love ;)
- Wed 17 Sep 2003 21:57:51

Sheesh....you already have Magnitude and Beyond and Winter Dayz (still going?)...what else do you want ? Don't be greedy.....save something for us Sydney folk ! :o)
Josh - Thu 18 Sep 2003 08:27:59

Thu 18 Sep 2003 10:51:58 - I agree with you completely! Enough already.
- Thu 18 Sep 2003 12:56:49

Why Shigeki is good enough for RHI?

1) Unlike most DJs, he plays what party-goers love. How many DJs you know actually takes requests from punters and tries very hard to squeeze it into his set?

2) He is versatile (and I don't mean in bed). He plays funky house in Stonewall on Fridays and uplifting house at Queen @ Shift on Saturdays. And if he has a longer set, one can also get a taste of trance.

3) He takes time to prepare his set. For his longer sets, Shigeki takes you on a journey, he starts slow, brings you up high, cruise at high altitude for a while, and then brings you back down gently.

4) He plays his own material. For those of you with discerning ear, you will notice that he plays his own mixes. Have you heard any other DJs play Guitarra G and Mr Lonely at the same time? NO! You want to know why? Because that is one of his many original mixes. So watch out for wicked mixes in RHI at Sleaze.

5) He is the nicest DJ in town. Friendly, no attitude.

6) He was nominated for Favourite DJ at DIVAs in his very first year on the scene.

7) For those of you who were brave enough to queue in the cold outside City Live at Mardi Gras 2003, you know Shigeki rocks. City Live was the most pumping venue at Mardi Gras 2003. And weren't there many praises on pinkboard for the then unknown DJ Shigeki after that gig? Why is he suddenly not good enough for RHI? Just because he is the boyfriend of a NMG director?

8) Final observation. Shift's birthday 3 weeks ago. Peter Fam tried very hard to get the crowd going, DJ Shigeki packed the dancefloor for a solid two and a half hours, and DJ Chip cleared the dance floor in double quick time. Go figure!

So guys. I think he is one of the best DJs in town. And if you know how the DJs were selected, you will realise that his selection has got nothing to do with him being Jock McKeon's boyfriend. And I don't think NMG needs to remedy the situation by explaining to you how it was done. Because nothing they say or do will satisfy you bitchy lot.

To NMG, congratualtions, you have picked the bset DJ line up possible. All the best for Sleaze 2003.

To DJ Shigeki, you have many adoring fans out there who look forward to your fabulous set at RHI. We love your work.
DJ Shigeki's #1 Fan - Fri 19 Sep 2003 11:09:57

Cheer-up Chip. Try to figure who to trust and grow up a little (make of that what you will)
- Fri 19 Sep 2003 11:38:39

8) Final observation. Shift's birthday 3 weeks ago. Peter Fam tried very hard to get the crowd going, DJ Shigeki packed the dancefloor for a solid two and a half hours, and DJ Chip cleared the dance floor in double quick time. Go figure!

it's more of a matter of Shigeki not playing to his timeslot and leaving nowhere for the next dj to go....you know, basic proffessional etiquette.
- Fri 19 Sep 2003 11:54:51

any dj who plays the EASY set (ie 1-3) will know they can play anything and the crowd will stay as people are 'out there' at that point. people's party favours kick in and all of a sudden the music sounds good. try playing at five am, hours after the venue has stopped letting people in. the floor clears real quick (eg shigeki last week) for all djs, excepting those at arq, where everyone goes at five am.

shigeki can play ok, and is very charming. please don't harp on about his remixes, they are obviously unlicensed, and you will get him in trouble.
btw... commercial funky house, commercial trance, and commercial trance is not range. not a slag of shigeki
- Fri 19 Sep 2003 21:45:28

it is more of a re-edit, but is essentially a pretty poor one, given that the (not-mixed down) original files are not being re-arranged, re-phrased or alternatively filtered/treated. sounds like his remixes are nothing to write home about and implies that he just cannot do the mix live to me.
- Sat 20 Sep 2003 00:46:04

Mmmm...what does this mean I wonder?
Paul "Oinky" Diamondo - Sat 20 Sep 2003 10:22:37

Meeorowrrr!! Scritch! Scratch! Scritch! Meeeoooowwwwrrrr!! :)
- Sat 20 Sep 2003 10:46:35

The DJ running order is as follows-

DJ SHIENKI: 10pm to 2am
JAKE KILBY: 2am to 5am
ALEX TAYLOR: 5am to 8am

My source also advises me that the original plan was to have Alex opening and DJ Sheinki playing the closing set but the committee saw a huge controversy brewing if they took that decision and that they also paid alot of attention to comment on this board.

As a result they have done a backflip and put Alex in the closing spot and placed Shienki in the opening spot.

In my personal opinion New Mardi Gras have made a very sensible decision here and effectively dodged a huge bullet.

Roll on October 4. I can't wait.
Brian Henderson - Sat 20 Sep 2003 15:22:10

DJ Shigeki: 10pm - 1am
Jake Kilby: 1am - 5am
Alex Taylor: 5am - 8am
- Sat 20 Sep 2003 18:39:47

Dont go abusing me for asking, I've only heard her play in RHI at Mardi Gras
while the Hordern is my Hall of choice. Not all of us live in the Oxford St
clubs every weekend.
? - Sun 21 Sep 2003 09:02:09

On the topic of DJ Shigeki doing alot of his own bootleg remixes I feel i need to comment. I've heard him do some of these on the odd occassion I've heard him play. They are pretty awful in my opinion.

If you're gonna overlay one set of accapella vocals over another set of music or similarly have a two song medley sort of thing going where two different songs are rotated back and forth over the one piece of music the most IMPORTANT thing you have to establish is that both tracks are in the same musical key.

If you have clashing keys (as is the case with most of DJ Shigeki's creations) it just doesnt work !

Chucking the accapella of one song over the music of another just for the sake of it can ,and does, tend to be total confusion and frustration for the punters on the dancefloor.

These sorts of "bootleg" mixes if not done live in the club and instead are recorded down to CDR are highly illegal.

On another note I'm pleased about Alex Taylor closing the RHI. This guy is Mr Reliable in my opinion.
- Sun 21 Sep 2003 09:02:44

Yet, funnily enough, I feel I could have well done without yet another "my way or the highway" bitchslap of Shigeki. It's a funny old world really....
- Sun 21 Sep 2003 10:55:07

If you "could have well done without yet another "my way or the highway" bitchslap" then why did you come here in the first place ?

Everyone has their opinion and we're all entitled to voice that opinion. If you dont like it then why visit this website at all ?
double standards - Sun 21 Sep 2003 11:42:28

Seems there is only 1 DJ "some" are upset whether its his style/or how he was picked. Style is a personal choice so if you dont like his music then move to another hall. How he got there - who cares ! but I seriously doubt NMG would have allowed favouritism but if you have the proof the shows us otherwise keep
your untruths to yourselves.

So seems all the other DJ's are acceptable - pretty good average and no organiser will ever get 100% of everyones approval.

So please can we move on and be nice to each other ?

How about shows ? any guests ? will Cher appear at NMG next year ?
Just be nice - Sun 21 Sep 2003 16:38:50

DJ JOSH as I know her (and ive been a fan for a while) is known for her Hard House. And what a nice twist on hard house it is (anyone remember her @ ARQ a few months back playing "whats going on" to a hard house beat? or the hardest version of "son of a gun" ive ever heard!)
ax - Sun 21 Sep 2003 16:45:37

However, making rules on key structure is as boring as anyone can be. I agree that working with 'officially complimentary' keys is optimum, but really get annoyed by music fascists who think that there are RULES in relation to music. Music is art, and art is not about rules, it is about expression, chances/risks, and about things that work despite the contradiction of other examples (that create rules). Not implying S's remixes are brilliant, just implying your expert opinion is archaic and b-o-r-i-n-g!

CONGRATULATIONS to all the DJs who are playing at Sleaze, you all deserve your sets and I hope you prove all these whingebags wrong.

See you at the recoveries with a shot or two for all:)
guess who - Sun 21 Sep 2003 16:50:32

I cannot think of a single established DJ who downloads music that is available in the shops. I, like most, hold sound quality very high in regard. I also prefer to own original copies of things rather than copies. For these two facts alone, if a single is available for me to buy on CD or vinyl, then I buy it. This is the case with every other DJ I know. MP3's or downloads often have terrible sound quality that is just not up to standard to be played in a club.

I have never downloaded anything myself, but I do know others that have. However, the only things these people ever download are mixes of tracks that will never get a commercial release. The fact that these are being downloaded does not have any financial bearing on recording artists or record companies because if they are never going to be released, it can't detract from the revenue made on sales.

The problem is that record companies commission producers to do remixes of tracks and then decide not to release them. I think this is one of the most stupid things to do. Most singles versions of songs just are not playable in clubs. They are too short, too slow, there is no solid beat etc. If these record companies want their tunes played in clubs (hello, free promotion!) there needs to be mixes. If the record companies are going to be so selfish and not release them, how on earth are DJ's meant to get a hold of them?

Before you whinge about the rights or wrongs of this, just remember how many tracks are out there that you probably love that you would never hear if someone, somewhere hadn't downloaded it. Without downloading, many amazing tracks and mixes would never see the light of day thanks to the stupidity of many record companies.
- Sun 21 Sep 2003 17:48:10

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Counting Pauls Valiums !! - Mon 22 Sep 2003 08:10:03
Warning: All drugs are dangerous. Pinkboard cannot condone the use of drugs.

Recovery parties are the love children of the union between dealer marketing strategy and the human desire to prolong "the joy" - it's a road that inevitably leads to staggering around in public at 2pm looking like a raped rhino. But lots of people find it "fun".......
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 08:42:41

I think I need an asprin :-)
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 08:45:16

While you're having a good old laugh at the gay party people, don't forget to laugh at all their friends/DJ's/supporters.

Let's see who gets the last laugh.
sad gits - Mon 22 Sep 2003 16:53:50

oh wow i am so excited i have been waiting the entire year to get all dressed up and look all camp and feminine and to take some substances to make my night even better. then im going to go to an after party and sit in a gutter outside the place and try to "come down" from the substances. then i will take a couple of days off work to recover. oh my life is so good. its a hard choice though because it means i cant go to arq that night. my week will feel like a void without arq. now im feeling sad because i cant go to arq. but after the sleaze i will start planning mardi gras and what i will wear and how many drugs i will take there. oh god its such a great life being an oxford st queen.
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 16:06:30

just ignore these people. don't buy into their crap. they are just bitter and twisted about their meaningless lives.
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 17:30:37

Well said...!

Mutt
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 19:30:14

you go and get your own life or cant you read ?????????????????

This is a party wall to talk about guess what ? parties and this particular wall S L E A Z E................

You have judged us by this wall.

For example , I go to 4 or 5 big'ish parties per year. Thats 5 nites out of
364 nites.
The other times I go to the movies, to the beach. Mooch around the shops, daydream. Shall I continue ?

If you dont like what we talk about on this wall - then piss off.

Thanks for info on DJ Josh ie is she known for her trance/hardhouse. Have never been to Arq so was not sure.
Just bring on the trance and hardhouse and .................. - Mon 22 Sep 2003 19:36:08

Well I'll certainly lose a lot of sleep knowing my gay life style has been judged so so one so pure and clean and obviously has a fantastic life. Some homophobe once told me "to get a life" because I took it up the arse, geeze! My experience has been a few rec chems once in a while has enhanced my life. I'm gay, I have a well payed job, I go on overseas holidays, I ride a Harley on weekends, I go to bars on Friday nights and meet my friends, I get layed 3 or 4 times a week, I have sex with a stranger once in a while, I have a daughter, I have a cat, I have a partner who I love dearly, I go to three or four fantastic gay parties a year, and I often take rec drugs. Shit! my life is so empty because of those damn drugs.

<Sigh>

Xane
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 19:47:05

nice point but maybe you aren't meant to get the track sometimes. where did you hear it? did someone else play it on a RARE copy and now you want to make it yours, thus making their set less unique?

i encourage you to make your own style, select your own rare tunes and let's all stop rehashing the same music everywhere everyday.

also.... if you could buy all the songs you downloaded, you are richer than most djs on this scene. i am very surprised.

also also (sorry for the rant but here is a real tip you can take on board), if you are gonna download something, convert it in pro tools, soundforge or cool edit and re-work the eqs as well as convert it to wave, will make it a whole lot better. you may have to retune it a few times and check it out several times to get it right, but hey, it is beter than mp3 sounding stuff hammering through bassy systems
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 20:11:58

If you are so bothered about drugs and parties, why are you reading this wall.....frightened of missing out on something?
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 21:52:28

My point was, most of these tracks I am talking about do not exist on some "rare copy". They were not heard played by some DJ who had one of these "rare copies", they were not heard at all until downloaded. Also, another DJ's style wasn't "stolen" as you insinuate. I think most DJ's in this town have their own style, regardless if you hear a few particular tracks that seem to fit into a few DJ's styles and therefore get played by a few different DJ's.

As for running MP3's through soundforge, that is an answer for the tracks that you can't get on CD or vinyl and some DJ's do do this. But, again, my point was, most of us would rather own original copies as even a track that has been "fixed up" using one of these programs isn't as good as an original copy.

Finally, you say "if I could buy all the songs that I downloaded, you are richer than most of the DJ's on this scene". As stated, I don't download music. As for the money matter, DJ'ing is a passion for most of us. If we want a track, we find the money to buy it. A large portion of my weekly pay packet goes on new music. It goes with the territory. Most DJ's are on the poorer side for this exact reason.
- Mon 22 Sep 2003 22:06:09

Tix apparently arent selling at all.

getting my Queer Nation today (before you rouse on me I can't afford a hundred dollar ticket, sorry - very tight budget and three nights out only this year that really appeal to me).

But hope it DOES sell cause Mardi Gras will disappear if it doesnt.

Would hate to think of the RHI with the same turn out as Gay Gaymes Welcome Party - no one.!?!?!

Should Sleaze have gone even smaller?

My next venture after this long weekend would be NYE and if Pride do the right feel i would go !
Bettty Badbreathe - Tue 23 Sep 2003 13:38:29

I was informed that the top level of what was City Live is a 'testosterone-free Zone'..... i.e. for women only
Josh - Tue 23 Sep 2003 14:20:40

The real problem Betty is those who support other rival parties - yes it is completely your choice but you can attend those other parties at other times
during the year.

These 2 parties not only give us 2 great big huge parties with many Halls, they
also support a lot of Gay organisations so for those 2 weekends each year
my gay $'s go to them.
You'll really whinge if they disappear - Tue 23 Sep 2003 18:19:14

I think thats a pretty good result so far.
- Tue 23 Sep 2003 21:53:06
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

um, babe, remember Pride??? make it 3 big parties please

and also, sorry but capitalist ventures will come in and do something similar to NMG if the need arises. as if sydney would give up parties of this magnitude just because NMG wasn't holding them.

not a discouragement, sleaze will be fine, and hope you are going
- Tue 23 Sep 2003 23:01:14

He really deserves a closing gig.

The new guy DJ "S" (Sorry, I cant spell his name) is definitely in the right spot playing first. It would have been a bit of a risk putting him middle or closing on his first big RHI experience.

And of course nobody could complain about Alex closing.
What does Kilby have to do to get a closing RHI spot ? - Wed 24 Sep 2003 07:30:48

To anyone that has influence in the area, I wonder why the CD's were dropped?

They may not have been a big money-maker but they did help raise the profiles of the DJ's and well worth purhcasing, methinks.
? - Wed 24 Sep 2003 10:19:14

I like Kath and Kim but for some reason this makes me uncomfortable (maybe it's the lesbian scene, I had to close my eyes in Queer as Folk the other night). The Kath and Kim characters have always been portrayed as straight. At the games they were funny but somewhat patronising. I found myself laughing one minute then offended at the poor taste the next, maybe this is part of K&Ks enigma. Am I alone here? Oh well, maybe I'll just take more drugs until I feel comfortable.

Womens only space??? Arruggh? I heard City Live is going to be the sleazy raunchy venue, it seems that they are attempting to recreate the Dome atmosphere in City Live. HELLO? Remember Inquisition. I doub't I'll get over there in any case, it's far too far away from where the party is.

Mutt
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 12:04:27

To anyone that has influence in the area, I wonder why the CD's were dropped?

They may not have been a big money-maker but they did help raise the profiles of the DJ's and well worth purhcasing, methinks.
? - Wed 24 Sep 2003 10:19:14

there was a cd for mg this year - it was the 'anthem', "never miss the water"
andrewf - Wed 24 Sep 2003 12:11:50

They can hardly be considered a 'money maker' by any means. New Mardi Gras are right to drop it as a project as have other organisations. The market is already flooded with DJ compilation CD's. Community orgs can not be expected to compete with private enterprise on this one.
Party CD's - Wed 24 Sep 2003 12:20:07

It's like the Festival "losing" $600,000 in 2002. NMG changed the concept to only budgeting $50,000 for promotion and this worked fine.

Good decisions we thinks....
Stability first! - Wed 24 Sep 2003 15:19:52

Bless your heart Mutt. I think you can be 99.9% certain that K&K won't be doing a lesbian scene at MG. For a start neither Gina Riley nor Jane Turner - nor their Kath and Kim personas - are lesbian. And a lot of people who are lesbian probably wouldn't find straight girls caricaturing dykes to be all that hilarious.....and I think both NMG and K&K would be well aware of that.
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 16:03:29

The city live venue now renamed stage 11, is going to be as much like the dome as physically possible, different lighting, definetely better than Inquisition.
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 16:03:59

Holly Valance
In the know - Wed 24 Sep 2003 17:30:36

Harbour Life
Mr Panties - Wed 24 Sep 2003 18:46:19

twinfloodstacklightingrigs instage11

sleazey???
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 19:22:14

Oh I love it when my heart has been blessed, I'm all warm and fuzzy now, and I *DO* like those percentages. BYW, I hear Meatloaf will be in town around that time, now that'd be a show and a half at 2am 4th Oct. That boy's rugged looks and rugged music drives me crazy. I bet he's a real mutt in bed too. To quote Victor, "I would surely like to see your meatloaf, Meatloaf" To which I would in all probably get "Oh, Mutt, you are a very unattractive man"

Mutt
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 19:24:50

Mutt
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 19:28:09

It is actually a great mix which I am still playing. The fact that no-one on this wall is aware of it is probably the reason why there isn't one this year!
- Wed 24 Sep 2003 20:08:44

Have heard that NMG in panic mode as tickets not selling.

Look for new approach this coming SSO / SX I presume ( read poster ).

If true then I hope all the doomsayers who have been ragging NMG over petty things like how a DJ was picked or the poster doesn't motivate them are happy.
Ive never judged a book by its cover, a movie by its poster so this concept is beyond me and maybe I apologise for not seeing your way.

Yes you have every right in the world to spend your dollars where you want but
Mardi Gras / Sleaze and even Pride and the past ACON June parties always got my $'s no matter what. Most of the parties have been great, no promoter can expect 100% acceptance.
But on those nights cant you think about how the $'s earnt will help the community in one way or another ? and not just a good night out.

So people like Betty who want to save $40 to $50 on ticket price will be the ones screaming when there is no FREE Fair Day or other Mardi Gras events and the straight promoter/club is laughing all the way to the bank.
I hope I'm wrong but if its true RECONSIDER please where your $'s go for just these nights - Wed 24 Sep 2003 21:09:40

re the sleaze in crisis comments, can someone please break down for me what the mardi gras and sleaze parties raise money FOR (ie for what functions of their organisation, projects, and moneys donated to sub-charities), and... equally importantly, how much they make. just want to know that all those who are giving us guilt trips for not attending this event have a real standpoint. none of that came out in ANYONE's criticisms of those who have something cheaper or more fun to do that weekend
the mole - Thu 25 Sep 2003 00:16:41

Sleaze has traditionally been a fundraiser for the Mardi Gras season primarily; i.e to create and sustain the cashflow sufficient for maintaining the organisation towards it's big expenditure time with Parade/Festival etc. I'd be surprised if NMG would be in a position to be forking out much money to "sub-charities" post Sleaze. The organisation is still in a rebuilding phase following financial collapse.

The major fund-raising impact of Mardi Gras has been the headlining impact of it's profile. Organisations like BGF have been able to raise significant amounts of money on the back of the season. BGF runs Shop yourself stupid and the Parade seating for instance and has been able to generate considerable income as a result.

Mardi Gras used to disburse a proportion of profits to other community charities after the Mardi Gras season but it's been a while since that occured in any significant way.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 08:23:03

Did you notice that the last editions of SSO and SX had no advertising whatsoever for Sleaze. This is strange given there was only 1 fornight left to go and you don't normally break your advertising run in the last 4 weeks up on the event (which is the 'crucial month').

It will be interesting to see what comes out today. I honestly hope the rumour is not true otherwise it will be a marketing disaster to mix messages so late into the games. Fingers crossed!
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 08:40:35

You Are Correct. That was 1997. The largest attendended Sleaze ball in History
Sold Out - Thu 25 Sep 2003 08:57:11

oh look - it's exactly the same as every other advertisement for every gay club/night. something original it ain't! at least the real poster was different, even if some didn't like it.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 12:15:48

I can see your point, but I'll tell you what I thought about the new poster....I found it very similar to Queer Nations poster - was this intentional ? Maybe - it may have something to do with the actual association between the party and the poster. The majority of people who have attended QN think it's a great party - therefore they assocaite the poster with a great party.....maybe with having the Sleaze Poster virtually identical to the QN poster, people will automatically assume that Sleaze is going to be a great party.

I truly believe it will be a great party - I bought my tickets before the new advertising campaign as I want to stand with my community. Personally, I didn't like the original poster for various reasons - but I am able to see past that and look at the 'bigger-picture'.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 12:52:18

so it seems we have very little community reason excepting the interests of a few who still want a big dance party or s elf glorification for putting on "the best one"

my money is going to gay and lesbian rights lobby, acon, and bgf in extreme disaapointment.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 12:54:36

i think what's really intersting about this is not necessarily Sleaze. i know i'll get shot for that remark but what it means as a fundraiser for the parade. i for one think the parade has done its dash and that NMG was placed under alot of pressure by various community elders (particularly Cobden) to have a parade.

if sleaze does not make the profits it needs to (and that's not the end of the world people becuase NGM has enough to operate on) then it make mean a different look for the mardi gras season and that may be a good thing.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 13:22:57

I'm all confused.

Someone please explain ??
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 13:41:13

I think NMG should be congratulated for its willingness to listen to the community.
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 16:40:31

Sleaze will be fantastic. Hope to see you all there. I knew I was going the moment it was announced regardless of what the poster looked like. But then I guess I have more important things to worry about in my life than a poster...
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 17:46:46

I just had to see Pete Mac. at QN on the strength of that CD.

Babybear also likes using male vocals in his sets and does it well, btw.

No, I am not hung up on male vocals but rather, I enjoy their judicious use of.
deep cover - Thu 25 Sep 2003 18:32:02

- Thu 25 Sep 2003 16:40:31

the old mardi gras wouldnt have put out such a poor poster in the first place
thi sis the opinion of the poster - Thu 25 Sep 2003 19:24:38

Mutt
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 20:07:15

For " The moles guilt trip " - I dont have the past Mardi Gras statistics here
but think of Fair Day, the Parade , Mardi Gras Events. In good times a percentage was donated to various charities but as someone mentioned that hasn't happened for the last few years. BGF get a huge amount from the stands
at Mardi Gras parade not to mention shop to you drop etc.
Sleaze Ball raises some cash in advance to help fund ( hopefully ) next years
Mardi Gras season. There are many smaller charities who raise monies on the back of these events ( think cloak room, think pass outs etc etc etc ).

There were only 4 nites of the year , now down to 3 ie Mardi Gras, Sleaze, Pride NYE where I attend the parties. As someone else mentioned if you dont want to go then please donate some monies to one of the charities but dont condone party goers cause their $'s help these charities just as much as your
donation.

I just wish/pray that the "community" would support these events. The DJ's are great , the Halls are the best thing in my opinion , plenty of room to move.
I go to QN and other parties/clubs for the other 49 weeks of the year.

And as for those ragging NMG - at least they are listening ! something Pride
didnt do ! besides they have only been doing the job for less than a year.
Would you be so perfect ? - Thu 25 Sep 2003 20:32:56

look up, if $100 goes from me to a charity, or $100 goes from me to sleaze or MG parties, a much bigger percentage from me actually gets to people who need it.

also, think of all the social, sexual problems created by these events. ie the 'lets all get trashed beyond other nights' strategies, or the 'must get a hot f#@k' mission. I wonder how many people are seriosly sick, subsequently diseased or come undone mentally after these events (and the recovery sex-spaces and clubs) creating more problems for the charities these events financially help out a little.

I AM NOT "CONDEMNING" dance parties, nor I am I the puritan I must sound like, but wise up, this is not for the community, it is a party that many in the community attend. that IS ALL!!! So are all the capitalist ones who tend to do it better, and who HAVE to donate chunks of their profits (even if only cloak or cleaning costs) to charities to ensure the community goes
- Thu 25 Sep 2003 22:03:47

i do agree that this poster is a little too like the QN ones, but still haven't seen if there is a female version like the QN ones. is there???? agree with CI that all this imagery and reshuffle is a little unnecessary, but it was nice to see NMG respond to community interests, even if us bitchy types started it Lol
sorry it is too late - Thu 25 Sep 2003 22:08:07

You truly are a KILLJOY !
Let people enjoy what they enjoy without bringing us all down with your poo poo rantings - Thu 25 Sep 2003 22:37:08

Ian Jopson and Jamie Dunbar donated their time and expertise to the new "poster" which is actually just 2 new adverts. The models and stylists got comps to the party.

I'm impressed that a co-chair takes the time to respond to me a week before the event to LISTEN to the community and answer members questions.

Personally i didn't mind the old poster - it wasn't a factor either way for me, I had already bought my ticket.
a proud NMG member - Thu 25 Sep 2003 23:37:55

I didn't make a comment about how much much donate - I was talking about the 'worth' of your dollar.

Maybe dance parties do make it easier for sickness etc to spread - but there are sex clubs/saunas in Sydney open the other 364 days of the year doing their bit for 'disease control' ! And i bet you don't go to these clubs either.....
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 07:15:15

Whew! Thank heavens for that! :)
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 08:01:59

The problem with the poster is that it says nothing about Sleaze - the Party. It says a great deal about political correctness and the diversity of the queer constituency that NMG would like to think we are, but politically correct motherhoood statements don't tend to get the punters going. The Jopson/Dunbar ads do exactly that in offering a taste of the hedonistic sleaze in store for those who purchase tix. A smart move!
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 09:14:08

Now, without sounding too shallow, can someone please tell me where I can find the sexy male model in the new poster???? I think I'm in love with him....I just know he'll treat me right and make me happy! ;-)
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 09:17:05

more vitriol please???
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 11:47:48

Oh god this makes me laugh.

Remember... I want to hear "Go for it Mutt" from you all next Saturday night.

Mutt
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 19:11:46

its a fools world dont you think ?
- Fri 26 Sep 2003 22:22:45

I bet "disappointed" a $100 bucks they end up going despite their post.

You dont know whether to laugh at them or cry for them.

Wonder how they judge a movie ? or a book ?
Its a scary world at times - Sat 27 Sep 2003 07:35:11

By word of mouth usually, a.k.a. "Reviews"

Attendance at Sleaze is usually based on a mix of experience/expectation and the stated intentions of those we know and would wish to party with.

In that respect the advertising imagery for the party is maybe not crucial, but it is important, nevertheless. It should lift you up, make you feel celebratory, in the mood for Sleaze. NMG however initially opted for a prissy little sermon on how we're not all gorgeous or traditionally "gay" or "lesbian" etc, etc. Yeah, well....hey. We know that. But we actually want to party right now. The sermon can wait till later. NMG eventually realised this and updated some of the advertorial accordingly.

Parties may be political, but the political poster is a total turnoff when you're looking for sleazy partying. I'm glad NMG finally "got" the difference.
- Sat 27 Sep 2003 09:34:53

love it!
yes, Father - Sat 27 Sep 2003 10:34:22

The sexy boy in the new poster is a good friend of mine and is already taken - sorry!
AW - Sat 27 Sep 2003 11:27:43

Plus a review as you put it, is by someone who has seen/attended so if you
waited for the review the party would have been over.

The posts they say they wont go because of the poster as Mutt pointed out is
just so laughable.

I just hope that those who liked the first poster decide they dont want to attend because of the 2nd poster
hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa - Sat 27 Sep 2003 15:08:01

You completely missed the point love. But it certainly made me chuckle :)
- Sun 28 Sep 2003 08:50:53

Honey, "I suspect that there'll be drag shows" is right up there with "I suspect that daylight follows dawn," as a bankable prediction :)
- Sun 28 Sep 2003 12:08:20

The Midnight Shift is the official after party during the day on Sunday. They are having a "classics" theme, with lots of old hits etc. Should be a fun trip down memory lane...

Queer Nation is on at HOME on Sunday night. This party usually sells out, so if you want to go, you had better get tickets quick. Most places are pretty busy on the Sunday after Sleaze, so you can probably rock up to any venue on the strip and there will be a crowd.
Information desk - Sun 28 Sep 2003 14:42:10

Some liked the first poster , some hated it. Some hate the new poster as its
to QN or whatever, others what to date the guy. 99% of the DJ's seem to be
acceptable and have never heard Shigecki play but we need some new blood.
No-one ( and that includes these keyboard knowit-alls ) could ever produce
a poster or party or DJ list that was 100% accepted.

Havent heard anything about shows. I hope their not all just drag shows with
100 dancers on stage ( and no offence to our Drag divas here ). I'd love
to see some shows like Inquisition had at the last party in the Hordern
( rememeber the guy who dislocated his shoulders to thread his body thru
a tennis racket ? that made em scream 1 ).
I have heard their is some trampeze show ? now that would be something fantastic and that brings back vivid memories of 3 drag queens sitting in hoops above the RHI dance floor doing a number. One was soooooooo out of it
she kept passing out ( luckily she was tied to the hoop ) and everyone now
and again she'd perk up, do a bit of the act and pass out again.
I bet the other 2 kicked the shit out of her but what a scream.
Just priceless - Sun 28 Sep 2003 15:25:29

Dave - you could either do arq or the shift in my view, its paul goodyear at arq or classic anthems at the shift with Ric Dreske, Ruby & Ryan murphy, personally i think the shift will be the place to be.
............. - Sun 28 Sep 2003 16:36:33

Plans for the party are now well advanced, with Orr revealing there will be six shows during the evening throughout the halls. Of these, two will “bookend” the party, while the other four will take place without a break in the music.

Orr advised party-goers to “look up” for an aerial show to be performed by former Russian Olympian and Cirque de Soleil performer, Dmitri Kalinine.

“Dmitri will feature in a show that tells the story of good and evil, with a soundtrack that ranges from O Fortuna to Marilyn Manson,” Orr said.

Another show will feature an array of winners from the recent DIVA awards, fronted by Vida Las Vegas and Sexy Galexy.

“Instead of one focus on a single main stage, we will be spreading the shows throughout the halls so everyone gets the chance to have a front-row seat. You can expect surprises throughout the night – I recommend you watch out for the window cleaners,” Orr said, somewhat cryptically. “Soundtracks for the shows will be mixed in to the DJs performances – which means that there will be no breaks to disturb people in a groove.”
Arti - Sun 28 Sep 2003 18:36:25

To the NMG firstly I Thankyou for what appears to be a very thankless community.
For future community events,parties,launches etc. perhaps having a no image criteria might be the solution for the posters.
As for announcing the DJ's for the parties...DON'T. Or if that's not an option then release all DJ's playing but maintain complete secrecy on where and when the're sets are.
The comments and opinions that have been posted for the last few years on these walls attacking DJ's have been nothing short of vicious, humiliating and sole destroying, believe me I know first hand.

And finally to Panther I apologise to you. I can't imagine having to monitor what appears to be a constant barrage of bitchy hatred filled opinions from a community I was once Proud to be a part of.
Lexie Bradfield (DJ) - Sun 28 Sep 2003 20:58:00

Police have alledgedly contacted all hospitals within 15kms of the city centre asking that they ring in reporting any drug related in patients brought to them from nightclubs.

What is more disturbing is that this policy will also be extended to Sleaze ball next week.

That means if 4 people get taken by ambulance from Sleaze and the police find out about it during the night then they will attempt to shut it down. This is not good news.
Has NMG got a statement about this important piece of news ??? - Sun 28 Sep 2003 22:23:21
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

I think you misunderstand the culture of these Walls. Of course people make bitchy comments, off-the-wall observations and less-than-flattering artistic assessments. They also make generous comments, considered analysis and the sort of artistic assessments that the Pope often makes in respect of the Virgin Mary.
In short, it's a mix. That's why people get engaged with it. You seem to be saying that destructive, bitchy comments predominate. They don't. And they're frequently exposed for what they are by the ongoing cut and thrust.

On two major points of contention - DJ Shigeki and the Sleaze Poster, the consensus seemed to be that Shigeki deserved a go and people should keep their ultimate critiques for his Sleaze performance and that the Poster may have been illustrative of community but maybe wasn't the best in-the-mooder for Sleaze. Lots of people also observed that a Poster wouldn't be make or break for their Party attendance at the end of the day.

Far from being a fount of unreasoning, hysterical bitchiness, Pinkboard actually works more to cut the crap and get to the heart of the issue. You just need to follow the threads and watch the dynamic unfold.
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Happy Sleaze!
- Mon 29 Sep 2003 09:31:39

AGAIN, it's about PROBLEM MAGAGEMENT. and WE, often, ARE THE PROBLEM. Not the club. take responsibility for your friends if they can't. If you really care.

anyhow, have an outrageous, SAFE and happy SLEAZE weekend.
well wisher - Mon 29 Sep 2003 10:06:00

It's also apparently gone from 4 to 3 people being ambulanced away since the first post was made at 22.33 last night :) Frankly, I doubt that there's any arbitrary limit at all. The Police will be guided by Public health and safety and legal compliance issues generally and it's a matter of risk assessment overall, not a specific number or numbers. Staying safe is good advice.
- Mon 29 Sep 2003 11:33:20

It's also apparently gone from 4 to 3 people being ambulanced away since the first post was made at 22.33 last night

isn't 4 more</i> than 3?

does anyone have any idea how many ppl get trucked to hospital normally at sleaze or mardi gras?
- Mon 29 Sep 2003 15:20:30

Very few normally.
- Mon 29 Sep 2003 17:42:12

If you looked at other sites, you will always find a couple cows who have gotta
stir the pot. Big meows and personally I ignore them ( but then again I realise there not talking about me so yes it would her the person concerned ).
Even if there was 100 people posting bitchy comments everyday, that in no way
represents the community.
Some are bad but I think more posts are productive - Mon 29 Sep 2003 19:39:10

All G-users must wear G-blue jeans so we can keep an eye on 'em?

Who'd want those damn sticky, foul-tasting little oily glass bottles on their person anyway? Imagine if they break, as well.
(how'migoing?) - Mon 29 Sep 2003 20:55:43

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