I did look for you countdown boy but it was only for the fact that there was a mirror in the toilets that I remebered what I look like. Anyway my valium is kicking in so I'll post later. But yes I agree that the breaking up of the action at the side of the Dome was unnapropriate. If your not going to have a tent then fine but there still need to be an appropriate section set aside cause boy action like that is going to happen whether u like it or not.
BND and no i'm not a sex pig just havn't had it in 2 months, I had catch ups to do! - Mon Nov 13 10:32:16 2000
i have to say well done to the two leather boys who put on a private show in the dome fr all to see! Yes the suckfest was on and was highlighted by the mirror balls hangin directly above. Everyone was vey impressed and u boys seemed to really be enjoying it!
Mon Nov 13 10:33:38 2000
Whhhewwwwww I thought it was me and not the goodies.
Hordern music I found too "disjointed" all over the place and
never really packed but the DJ had his fans. The middle DJ in the RHI really slowed the party down ( who takes things that slow them down ?????? ) so I came down so much went home.
Overall had a great time Dome sounded fantastic but the sauna
heat was too much to bear for this number. Wish that music had
been in Hordern which is used to be.
Nicky - Mon Nov 13 12:25:53 2000
No offence to DJ's in HOrdern but it never packed out and used
to love the Hordern in the past ( music like Dome was playing
but just tooooo hot to stay ).
Glad everybody agrees on the Thunderpussy guy, music bought me down soooo much I left early.
Why do they think they have to have slow downs at 4am ? Nobody
is on anything that slows them down.Tried Dome again but just
way too hot - how about some of those airblowers near an exit
or something. We had to get out of the way of medical cart going to Dome and didn't surprise me the heat was way too oppressive.
John B - Mon Nov 13 12:32:39 2000
Shame on you Glen Horder and all on the party committee at MG.You think you are doing such a wonderful thing bringing in a big name USA DJ to give the party a good marketing tool and then get let down by the incompetant asshole on the night.Did MG even seek out to Mr Harris to get a demo of the sort of stuff that he intended on playing ? I highly doubt it ! Victor Calderone at MG2000 was very very average,Barry Harris was woeful.Will MG continue still continue to import these big name yet second rate DJ's to our future parties ? For the sake of everyones sanity and the good of common man i hope not.Taking away the shocker that Harris put on the party was excellent.Was extremely friendly and i made heaps of new friends.Without the Barry Harris factor i give it an 8/10 - i shudder to think what my mark would be if i had to factor Thunderf*ckingpuss into the equation.Roll on Mardi Gras !
Tony - Mon Nov 13 12:56:16 2000
I don't think that the problem is international DJ's - the problem is "no name" international DJ's. So what if Barry Harris remixes - you only have to listen to how he murder's Ultra Nate on "Desire" to anticipate what the problem with his DJing is likely to be. I assume that the problem is money to get a real international DJ - assume SGLMG can't afford Danny Tenaglia and then anyone else that you'd bother with fails the sexuality test (not my morality). If they're not going to bother forking out for a real DJ then they shouldn't bother. I agree that there is a real problem with international DJ's not understanding what goes down in an Australian context. So I'm glad that this was the first Sleaze that I've missed since 94.
Mon Nov 13 13:23:32 2000
Has anyone been to an American party ? the ones I've attended
are so late 80's/early 90's the music puts you to sleep.
Would rather they spent the monies on a fab laser and hire local
DJ's only. Been to many countries and many parties/clubs and its really varied. The US DJ's style was just something we Sydneyites are not used ( and in my case made me flatten out real early in the night ).
Cant we have the Hordern back the way it used to be ? ie music
like Dome was playing ? it used to be really hard hitting and always packed. The changing around of music styles from Dome
to Hordern in my opinion hasn't really worked as not offence to
the Hordern DJ's but it just never filled ( yes I know there are many Alkins/Sveta fans but not enough to fill the Hordern).
Had a great time though but running from Hall to Hall for a decent dance bit too much. Pity Dome was such a sweatbox as music/theme was fantastic but noone could survive in that heat
for too long. I also saw the medical cart going to Dome early in the night and yes probably some misjudging the goodies but I
bet the overpowering heat didn't help.
Please restore the Hordern back to what it was.
Steve - Mon Nov 13 13:47:53 2000
Here Here Steve - totally agree. They said they were taking the sounds from the Dome into HOrdern but Hordern never filled.
Dome music was unreal and always busy. Will not knock Hordern
DJ's but the beat keeps changing so much just not my cuppa.
As for that overseas DJ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Hire only local DJ's who know what dancers want and we know what they are like.
Only been to 2 parties in the US and yes they were totally different to the way our parties go. Left both of them early.
Johnno - Mon Nov 13 13:54:12 2000
This could be really good news - perhaps move hard house into the Hordern - sounds like it is popular enough to do it, where the air con works, and put the funk back in the Dome - maybe more appropriate to its lack of airconditioning
hopin to be lovin it - Mon Nov 13 14:00:34 2000
Three strikes you're out! Give it uo Glen Horder, you're hopeless!
Mon Nov 13 14:06:45 2000
It should be pretty obvious now that to keep the mainstream/commercial music crowd happy you have to provide DJs who have a knowledge of what the local scene is like. Should Glenn Horder be hung for trying? I doubt it. On the other hand, I hear there's still a queue outside the Dome ;-)
EC - Mon Nov 13 14:23:47 2000
Didn't really hear Barry Harris, but the bits of Gonzalo I heard were good. Horden was really comfortable to dance in most of the night though. Dance floors don't need to be packed. Ultra Nate's show in the Horden was my highlight. Please make this a regular occurence.
Arti - Mon Nov 13 14:25:31 2000
I'm sorry to have to say this but the Dome is a joke.Its a deathtrap waiting to happen.SGLMG are gonna be in for one hell of a lawsuit the day somebody dies in that cesspit from overheating.This situation *****must****** be addressed before MG2001.Are you reading this Glenn Horder ???????
Sahara Desert - Mon Nov 13 14:57:50 2000
I think the term i was thinking about but forget to mention is "Criminal Negligence"
Sahara Desert - Mon Nov 13 15:00:26 2000
While we are on the subject of criminal negligence can somebody please arrest Barry Harris and charge him with that crime as soon as possible.
What a shocker - Mon Nov 13 15:02:48 2000
Did the party organisers not realise that the heat inside Dome was actually dangerous. How many times are we warned, e plus heat plus dehydration = potential disaster.
PM - Mon Nov 13 15:06:25 2000
Just about any person who is feeling sick after spending time in the Dome on saturday night (whether or not they took drugs) would have a pretty sound case to sue Mardi Gras for negligence re the heat in that hall.Any company offering any form of entertainment has a moral and civil and legal obligation to ensure its paying customers are entertained in a safe and non life threatening environment.If i wanted to go to a sauna I would have gone to KKK !!!
Mon Nov 13 15:36:22 2000
I hated the party so much that I'm not going to another Sleaze until next year.
Mon Nov 13 16:01:19 2000
monday 13, 9;59;23 - signed as Jake. This is obviously a moronic imposter. Just because someone gets praised for hard work, you instantly think it is that person praising themselves. If you had heard the screams in the RHI during Jake's set, you would know that he doesn't have to praise himself and that the comments written here are from genuinely appreciative punters. You are a cruel and malicious fool for posting such garbage.
Mon Nov 13 16:02:15 2000
It's ironic isn't it that Paul Dillon who is a member of the party committee spouts off every week in the press about responsible drug use yet ignores the safety issues in the Dome. Somebody is going to get very sick in there one day and Mardi Gras will have nobody to blame but themselves, they've been told about this problem many times.
Frustrated Nurse - Mon Nov 13 16:06:44 2000
Dillon is no longer a director. He did not seek re-election.
Not his problem babe - Mon Nov 13 16:08:13 2000
Agree about bringing the Hard House back to Hordern. It
never filled and they were actually stopping people entering
Dome till some left......proof that it should me moved back to Hordern and Hordern music moved back to Dome. Hordern floor never filled ( and no reflection on the DJ's they have their
faithfull following but not 6,000 to fill the HOrdern ).
Remember at Alexandria they used to have these huge blowers
sucking in cool air from outside into the stadium. MG will have
to look at doing this if Dome does not have an airconditioning
system. Even though I didnt have a good dance as Dome was great but too hot, the constantly changing beat of the HOrdern not my
type of music, and that middle DJ in RHI was like how many years behind our scene ??????????? Congrats Glen on the lighting,themes etc the Halls all looked great. Remember with 14,000 you can't please them all.
Fanny B - Mon Nov 13 16:14:56 2000
Re the last post - the heat issue in the dome is a problem that belongs to the whole community.We must lobby MG to be more responsible and show that they are not negligent in their duty of care to paying customers.It would serve MG right if someone dropped dead in that heat and had next of kin slap a multi million dollar lawsuit on MG.Its time MG woke up to themselves and solved this problem before something tragic actually happens.
Mon Nov 13 16:18:24 2000
So what time is Wayne G playing at Mardi Gras?
Mon Nov 13 16:22:00 2000
Dear Glen,
I thought the Halls looked fantastic. Agree with others Dome
way too hot. You said you were moving the music style of Dome
into Hordern but Hordern never filled and Dome was overpacked
and even had queues.
Lastly would rather the monies spent on overseas DJ be spent on
huge laser/lighting effect. He was dull...............
Jack T. - Mon Nov 13 16:27:07 2000
the screams in RHI for Kilby = the screams made by school kids when Ronald McDonald is handing out free cheeseburgers
Jake - Mon Nov 13 17:13:25 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
Personal abuse deleted.
Only went into the RHI for shows because I'm not a real fan of handbag/anthem. Shows were great, although the last one was way too conceptual for my brain function at 8am. Ultra Nate in the Hordern was the best, with no production, just 2 dancers & that big beautiful voice.I absoloutely loved the Hordern, all 3 sets,& found it sexy and comfortable all night long. Thought the Dome looked absoloutely amazing & I love hard house, but the crowd and the heat were way, way too much for an enjoyable dance. Overall, a sensational party (I found my room and stuck to it!) but for safety sake, I'd agree that Hard house now belongs in the Hordern. And for a first foray into true hard by mg, it has surely proven itself as a sufficiently popular style (alongside handbag & garage) too warrant a permanent place in future parties. Must say though, I found the recoveries very disappointing, which is a first since they're usually better than the parties...
Jeff - Mon Nov 13 17:48:08 2000
Just got home from Sleaze, I think...
Great party! Great Music!
Can't wait for PRIDE New Year's Eve!! !!!
Mon Nov 13 18:39:56 2000
To Mardi Gras and its party committee - I think you guys are slowly getting it right.Might I suggest the following changes for Mardi Gras next year---(1) RHI - The Style of music Jake Kilby played is perfect and should be retained. (2) The 2nd DJ's position should continue in the style that Jake played , the RHI should cater to the mainstream for 2/3's of the night in my opinion - we dont need that crap that Thunderpuss played,it just bores everyone and brings them down . (3) Greg Boladian's style of Trance with slashings of some disco'y stuff towards the end is perfect and should be retained. (4) Whilst i cant stand the banging hard house personally it is clear it now has a large following.The Dome is now clearly inadequate and the safety issue of the heat in the dome concerns me greatly.(5) The deep house that Annabelle Gasper and Steve Alkins played should be transferred to the Dome - which leaves Sveta out in the cold cause she is suited to whatever hall gets used for the Banging hard house. (6) Bring back the Carasel room that was used to such wonderful effect at MG2000 and persist with choosing a DJ that plays cheese/pop/handbag to keep the trashy queens who like this stuff happy. (7) If the 4th pavilion that fox currently has under construction becomes available for Mardi Gras make it a mens only space.
If all of these suggestions were adopted I dont think anybody could ever complain again.
How do I get onto Mardi Gras party commitee ? - Mon Nov 13 20:36:09 2000
Am I the only person who thought that the volume of the music was down this year ?
And when are we going to get a new venue? Little people running around picking up every piece of paer, lighting by Spielberg in the toilets, guards with flashlights? Like Sleaze in Disneyland! Or should we just change the name to "Squaeky Clean" and stay at Foxville?
Owen - Mon Nov 13 20:39:21 2000
It's time to find another venue for our parties. The showground may be "tradition" but the security guards sure ain't.
Mon Nov 13 21:50:30 2000
To "Not his problem babe", Paul Dillon is still a member of the party committee, he did not seek re-election to the board, but that is a seperate entity to party committee, so it is his problem and if he believed all that stuff he writes about in the paper he should do something about it.
frustrated nurse - Mon Nov 13 22:55:44 2000
What do ppl think, was SleazeBall not that sleazey at all?
phil - Tue Nov 14 1:04:33 2000
after waking from my 14 hour coma, I'd like to give my review of the party :::: I walked around most of the night with drool on my chin. there was heaps of amazing 'talent' that I only see at the big parties (where do they hide for the rest of the year ?) apparantly there were more straights than ever before, but I didnt pay attention to them (except Rove McMannus) the stage in the RHI was good, but I only stayed in there for 5 minutes. the bad sound system & the awful music was doing my head in (my opinion) the lights werent as good as previos parties (my poinion) the sound in the Hordern was great. the music was average. the only highlights were hearing Green Velvet & Treaty (peace division mix) thanks Sveta ! Mr Allkins was suprisingly nervous before he went on & I think that it showed in his music/mixing/trixing. when he's good, he blows my mind, but on saturday night he didnt lock me on the floor. I dont think most people were getting into Annabels 'drum breaks/percussion extravaganza' but I thought it was quite novel. Dome .... hmmm not really my cup of tea. I didnt like enhaling sweat. I dont agree with some of you kids that Hard House/techno should be moved to the Hordern, for MG; take it to the City Live venue (behind Hordern) oh... shock horror ! I danced to one of Luke Leals tracks ! it was my first time ever (cheers Luke) I didnt see any long queues to get in Dome. maybe it was a queue of people trying to get out before their lungs filled with fluid ? The shows ::: Ultra Nate was good in RHI, but she rocked the f#ckin house in the Hordern ! no frills, but R.E.A.L talent ! we need more artists that can actually sing and work the crowd like she does. (I'm sure her dancers were high on crack. they were really edgy) I'm trying to forget the Tina Cousins show. the last show with Clare was confusing. a Xmas show at Sleaze doesnt make any sense (to the Seal/dancer that I abused after the show, I apologise. we really thought that you were Mr Hanky - the Xmas Poo). O/S Dj's - Glenn, dont get 2nd rate talent. spend the extra bucks & get Danny Tenaglia, Peter Raufofer, Tom Stephan, David Morales, Deep Dish etc ... Danny & Tom have both said that they'd love to do Mardi Gras. apart from that, I think you're doing a great job & dont listen to the crap that the Leesonettes are throwing at you. Can we have Moore Park sweeped of bat shit ? I ruined a pair of Alexander McQueen jeans when I fell over whilst walking home (I had the throw my shoes out as well) I cant think of anything else, but when I do, you kids will be the first to know. love you long time.
Mr Panties - Tue Nov 14 7:01:19 2000
oh, did I really hear Enrique Eglasias or was it an awful aural haluncination ? (shortly before the final "show")
Panties - Tue Nov 14 7:08:05 2000
what did everyone think of the sign language interpreters they had for the shows?
Tue Nov 14 8:05:50 2000
Frustrated Nurse raises an interesting point. Can a committee member ever be held personally liable for any event or outcome? Of course the directors can - but MG has insurances to cover that.
Food for thought - Tue Nov 14 8:14:44 2000
Boy am I glad majority agree re RHI guest DJ.Loved Dome music
but that sauna heat was dangerous. Agree Annabelles and Alkins percussion/bangity bang bang beats just lost me so went back to
RHI and the yank bought me down so far I went home early.
Great Party Mr Horder - you cant please them all. Think the
Dome to Hordern to Dome change didnt work but thats my opinion.
First 2 DJ's in Hordern just never filled it - no offence there
guys/gals. Would rather you saved the money on o's DJ's or spend
on fab lasers/vari lights.
Recovered - Tue Nov 14 9:00:58 2000
I had a great time at Sleaze, but have to echo the comments of many on this wall when I say that Barry 'Thunderpuss' played the most abysmal set I've heard for a long time. It makes me wonder why do we pay for these 'international guest DJ's' to come out to Sydney when they clearly have absolutely no idea of the type of music we want to hear. The music was well out of sync with both the theme of the RHI and Jake and Greg's music.......where were the vocals?? Proof of how bad it was was clearly demonstrated in the appluase (or lack thereof) that Barry got at the end of his set, and also the fact that as soon as Greg Boladian came on, the dance floor was packed again and the music excellent. Next time, leave the international DJ's at home, save some money and give the many local DJ's clamouring for an opportunity a break.
EB - Tue Nov 14 9:07:51 2000
What a wonderful party! Spent it all in the Dome - lost about 1 million brain cells and 14 kgs, but what an experience. 7 hours of stomping hard music, an up-for-it crowd, incredible decor - and unlike many of my friends I actively enjoy the heat - it adds to an otherworldly experience. Mind you, my leathers will never be the same again. Thanks to all the volunteers as well as the DJs - what a rocking party.
Hard 'n Banging - Tue Nov 14 9:59:54 2000
I have to express my appreciation for the talented production team who worked in the Dome at Sleaze2000. Not only were they damn brillant in utilising the space, but were possibly the most helpfull, friendly and attentive crew I've worked with.(Unfortunately this is not always the case in the bigger halls)Thanks guys for making my set a smooth ride.(Though I could have lived without the minute or so power loss around midnight!) And just as big a thanks to the awesome crowd. Not only did they have to queue up to brave beyond-insane heat inside, but were so incredibly responsive and vocal in their appreciation it was overwhelming. (But extremely satisfying!) For those who liked what they heard or werent aware, David (Baby Bear) and myself (with regular international guests)have our own hard-house night every Friday night at ARQ called 'Storm'. We would love to see some Sleaze2000-Dome-converts come in and help in increasing the popularity of a style/sound we are very passionate about. Cheers!!!
Luke Leal - Tue Nov 14 11:18:41 2000
Well for a first everyone here seems to have a similar feel. I don't really go to the parties just for the music so I won't comment other than the fact that if I had really liked one venue I would have stayed there but I spent the night wandering. I saw the first show which I thought was OK. Wish I could read sign language though cause I was having trouble hearing what was being sung. Spent the night running into lots of people I know (including a very cute boy I had been crusing at work who came and said hello, I had no idea he was gay but im glad my instincts are still there!!!)and looking after a few which is what friends are for. Saw the show in the Horden again it was ok but diddn't really grab me. Tina was good but the Charlies Angels theme was was nothing special. I always find the last show at these things abstract but it's my brain that is probably the fault here not the production, please just give me simple concepts that I can process :) Now to my gripes and I am pleased to say they are not the fault of Mardi Gras but Fox, I was annoyed to buy a bottle of water with a $20 note and be given the change all in 50 cent pieces, as I was wearing dancing pants at the time I diddn't really have anywhere to store it. The barman was not the least bit concerned and none of the other bars would change it. Yes the dome was hot and its my opinion that as Fox are hiring the venue out (and you can bet at top dollar) then it is up to them to make the appropriate arrangments. They know from many years of past experiance the type of conditions they can expect. My biggest bitch is the security breaking up the action at the back of the Dome. Why? No one is getting hurt, it is as discrete as can be expected when the toilets are lit like they are and there is no mens only space. I get the feeling Fox see the Studio site as being a family type area and don't want it to become known in the wider community what happens at these parties but surely a blind eye could be turned somewhere along the line. I thought the Stage in the RHI looked fantastic and should be done that way more often. As for recoveries the laneway was boring, I got up and danced in front of the mirror in the corner of the Flinders for a while but ran out of steam. Went to Bodyline which was packed and spent a great arvo with a very nice boy. Then did the orgy which was as usual up to standard (160 very cute men) and then went to Frisky. Music was great, lights were great, crowd was very down on usual but thats probably just the number of other good options out there that night. Tina was exceptional even better than at the party. Under the circumstances I had the best weekend I could possibly have had, now I just need to get rid of all the glitter that has appeared in my unit. God I hate glitter.
BND - Tue Nov 14 11:28:35 2000
Sleaze 2000 didnt come close to matching Sleaze 1999 (Homosutra) the Hordern was quite boring, but last year it was rocking ! cant remember the DJ line up from last year, but maybe we needed them instead of this years line up. I couldnt hear the music in RHI unless I went to the centre of the dancefloor (too sweaty) and Dome was putrid. reminded me of Ziggurat. sorry for the bitching, I'm coming down
Eccy Tuesday - Tue Nov 14 12:04:23 2000
that was a cry for help from Luke Leal to come & save the dying 'Storm' the crowd record so far is 59 paying customers (there was a bomb scare at the Flinders)
125bpm whore - Tue Nov 14 12:08:02 2000
This is the opinion of the poster,
The security at Sleaze were terrible, and it isn't Fox Studios fault it is the anti-sex attitude of Mardi Gras party committee and the producers. I can't believe these people run a party called Sleaze. If you don't provide a space for guys to get it off, the toilets will be jammed and guys will make their own arrangements. And that's your fault so don't treat us like shit.
Tue Nov 14 12:26:31 2000
125bpm whore - your information is incredibly incorrect. "Storm" may not be the success that Arq wants, and considering the popularity of that kind of music, maybe it is only due to the fact that many people do not realise that that is what "storm" ia all about. After the Dome's immense popularity, why shouldn't Mr Leal use this opportunity to invite people who whant to hear bangin' house to storm.
145bpm banger - Tue Nov 14 13:06:06 2000
And what was all that clap trap about a bomb threat at the flinders ? Can anyone please expanmd on that statement if they "really" know what they are talking about ?
Tue Nov 14 13:12:50 2000
Sleazeball was great!your music was unreal Luke,ignore the above post,just a typical jealous remark from somebody who wants to be you!.Jake was also unreal, but isn't he always!Only 360 patients at the First Aid Tent,alot of these from 'G'overdoses and too much heat combined with drugs(no doubt the heat in Dome).A real friendly crowd,some creative outfits and some fantastic shows.Thanks MG!
Sam - Tue Nov 14 13:48:34 2000
Dear 125bpm, I'm with 145bpm. Pity Storm is at Arq, hate the
venue.
Thanks Luke for your info, I hope Pride and MG are listening.
I have been a fan of hard house/hi nrg since it began and face it who takes things that slow you down? I remember a few years
back Brent Nichols playing that in the Hordern and it was going
off. Hope MG reverse their decision about moving Dome music into
Hordern, it just never filled. The heat was way too much for me so sorry Luke never had a long dance. MG had it right a few years back when Dome had your Alkins/Sveta type DJ's, Hordern
was fast paced all night, RHI cheesy/commercial.
Dont worry Glen you wont please them all but I think most peoples posts haven't been too bitchy, just reasonable suggestions.
Shaun - Tue Nov 14 13:50:03 2000
The wee patch of grass just outside of the Dome next to the medical centre was such a nice retreat. After 4 hours of eating hot, solid air in the Dome (fantastic music though) I allowed my semi-melted carcass to flow out of the Dome exit and find solace lying bare torsoed on the grass with some friends for some cuddles and well earned cigarettes. I felt like a wee pixie in a magical forest glade!
By the way, I thought that Wonder Woman looked absoultely scruptious.
Sleaze Casualty - Tue Nov 14 14:13:09 2000
Who's taller - Ultra or Kylie ???
Tue Nov 14 14:59:27 2000
Barry Thundershit Harris should hang his head in shame.Mardi Gras should also be highly embarrassed and feel totally ripped off by this con man.A question to Glenn Horder...Did you even ask this imposter what he intended on playing or did you just think "wow,this guy has does remixes of Madonna,Whitney and Donna Summer etc,therefore he must be good ? " I want 33.3% of my sleaze ticket cost refunded cause Harris's 1/3 of the party was a like the biggest con job in the history of DJ selections at any MG run event ever ! The guy might be an excellent producer , buy boy he aint got a clue as a DJ !!
Fuc*k overseas DJ's - they dont know what sydney wants ! - Tue Nov 14 15:30:24 2000
Didn't go this year. Read the posts here. Really Glad.
Tue Nov 14 15:36:08 2000
Agree with the posts about the Dome - the heat was waaaay too much to bear - please fix this MG/Fox!!
Steve Allkin's played some really great stuff in the Hordern to offset Barry Harris, but it did seem as though the spunky boys were missing from the Hordern (plenty in there at Mardi Gras) . Missed Ultra Nate's show in the Hordern..and completely missed Annabelle and Sveta 'cos I couldn't leave the RHI thanks to Jake and Greg (and a cute boy I met during the front of stage crush at the Tina Cousins show - hi Jason!). RHI stage design was great and the last show - somewhat puzzling..
Tina Cousins' performance at Frisky was sooo much better than Sleaze..three great songs and everyone went off!
All in all had a great weekend...thanks to all the friendly people out there in partyland and the dj's that really got me moving...
kxr - Tue Nov 14 15:37:03 2000
Well done Glen on a good Party did not hear Barry H so can't complain Only heard Gonzalo for 15 mins as I was goona keel over from the heat.. !! The best dance I had all night was bout 6.15am when the Dome was not hot and Mark Murphy was playing I had the most intense dance of my life and no I wasn't in a K Hole.. Well done Mark pity you only had 2 hrs.. Well done to the preformers in the last show as you have all put in heaps of effort for nothing and only a time cost to yourselves.. But Party committee the theme was a bit .. mmmmmm weird for that time of the morning.. !!! I found the music to loud in the Hordern and one point and was ear slittting .. !!! Looking forward to MG if we stick to home grown in the other halls and have 1 or 2 internationals not that we need them for the hard house.. stick to home grown.. i reclon as they deserve the recognition and also for the people that dont go out every week .. so they dont get somethign unexpected and not have a good night... No flames ..
Cubb - Tue Nov 14 15:59:12 2000
And as for the heat in the dome - i cant wait for somebody to keel over and die of heat exhausting.Wouldnt this look on the front page of the Herald and the Telegraph "Gay Mardi Gras lose multi million dollar lawsuit for neglect re overheating death/s".
Time for some attention to be paid - how much can a few dozen mega movie studio blow fans actually cost ? Given Mardi Gras's enormous profit margains - (excuse me as i collect my $115 Mardi Gras 2001 ticket) i cant see why the dome should ever be like burning in hell ever again - and the RHI could do with some air as well !
Jason - Tue Nov 14 17:07:28 2000
hmmm i'm not very impressed cos i just lost all of my last posting cos i used a swear word! hmmmm ok I loved Sleaze on the whole, though its not a sleaze ball anymore. You can't call an event like that a sleaze ball when it has lost its in-ya-face sexualty and eroticism. None of the shows 'pushed the envelope' or caused me to shudder or squirm...but thats part of what i would expect of sleaze. No boy's or womens-only spaces where a different, more overt sexual vibe can be creaed; security guards breaking up what action did take place; and overly-lit toilets a sleaze ball does not make. And is the rumour true that troughman was asked to leave the rough? Infact the most 'sleazy' image I saw all night was the image of two guys [substitute a euphamisim of your choice cos i can't use the word or my posting will be erased again] on the cover of the condoms I was handed at the beginning of the night. But having said all that, I had a brilliant time..it was full of little moments of magic, like having a smile returned by some cute boy who I wouldn't have thought noticed me - thanks Trevor but where did you go so soon after the last show; meeting 'slut-girl maree and her friend from changing rooms; checking out the wonderful bulges straining against lycra and cotton; losing myself in some piece of music; so many things to remember. Apologies for being so cheesy. I think we speak about mardi gras and sleaze and the other important events which make our lives so much richer like children in a way: we criticise the hell out of em but still love em to death. Thanks everyone who was involved with this year's sleaze!
kev the slut boy, aka keanu - Tue Nov 14 17:50:00 2000
Sleaze 2000 degrees. Amatuer, negligent, offensive and plain dull. Potential there, but not the talent on the party committee. Glenn Horder is clearly the most sexless party director in Sydney's history.
Dodger - Tue Nov 14 17:53:30 2000
countdown boy has landed to let you all know that there is 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go 1O9 Days to go
Tue Nov 14 17:56:26 2000
Glenn Horder. Pleeeeeeeze, get a blow job and then try directing a dance party. Abolish the party committee. Abolish the executive producer. Appoint an artistic director like Craig Ingrey (Black, Inquisition V & VI etc) and give us a safe, sexy party.
wannasexierparty - Tue Nov 14 17:58:47 2000
I'll just bet that Glenn Horder and some of these DJs who get character assasinated here would love to see some of you nasty queens running the party and doing their jobs.
EC - Tue Nov 14 19:09:47 2000
Dodger - Tue Nov 14 17:53:30 2000 You forgot to add:
Sleaze 2000 degrees - as tacky as countdown queens boring rants
maybe it was an omen! - Tue Nov 14 20:09:12 2000
EC - The Only character assasinations going on this board are how pathetic Barry Harris was.Take away that appauling effort and I thought Sleaze and all its DJ's - (except Harris) were truly outstanding !
Just My opinion - Tue Nov 14 20:10:14 2000
re; hordern not full [6000 capacity] and dome too full [1300 capacity] I really doubt that hard house/techno is popular enough to fill the hordern. as a genre, house if far more popular than techno. *fact* I agree with Mr Panties that techno/hard house should be moved to the CityLive venue in Fox (it has airconditioning !) make Dome the sleazy sex pit that it was at Mardi Gras (the music had something to do with it too)
Shave - Tue Nov 14 20:11:40 2000
I had a great night at Sleaze. The RHI was fantastic for the first and last sets, but have to agree with so many posts on here that the second set with Barry Harris was an absolute turn off. Let's hope that future parties stick to using local DJ's who have proved that they know what we like and want. It was a relief to have Greg Boladian start playing! My energy levels went back up again after I nearly left during Barry H. I certainly won't be attending future parties if they continue to bring in overseas DJ's who have no idea what we want!!
Keep the overseas DJ's overseas!!!! - Tue Nov 14 20:46:08 2000
ok ok ok ,it seems obvious that Barry Harris was awful from all of these postings.Its all well and good venting your opinions on this board but are we all man (or women) enough to vent our opinion directly to Mardi Gras ? I have,there are varying email addresses to write to Mardi gras to give your feedback on sleaze.
No more USA DJ's !!! - Tue Nov 14 21:41:07 2000
The Dome wasn't too hot at all. What are people talking about. I stayed there all night. It's worse at MG believe me. And I missed the guards too. I've never seen more sexy sexy action. Loved it...
PaulD - Tue Nov 14 21:50:17 2000
PaulD,what sort of an alien creature are you if you thought the Dome wasn't too hot ? Are you Klingon , Ferrengi , or Bajoran ? I would have to say (and this would be confirmed by one of the lighting opps who i have discussed this with) that the temperature in the Dome during the peak of the night would have been in excess of 60 degrees celcius ! Now *That* is dangerous !
Tue Nov 14 21:56:49 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
So the Dome was hot. But it was good hot sexy fun. Give me more.
More sex at the parties please - Tue Nov 14 22:41:41 2000
Rock the Cazbah, excuse spelling. Allkins you are a God
Tue Nov 14 23:38:44 2000
The horden was perfect, the dome is always too hot, but so is the RHI, it is a safety issue and needs addressing!
Tue Nov 14 23:52:21 2000
I had a great party, and a fantastic time, until I was physically assaulted by a straight guy while his bimbo girlfriend looked on.
It was horrible. I was kissing my boyfriend on the dance floor when a straight guy towing his female along behind him started pushing through people like they were trash. I just ignored him and I was the unforunate person he decided to stand behind on the dance floor (and I do mean stand, he was hardly dancing). Next thing I heard was "what is that!", then some scornful laughter (directed to me kissing my boyfriend). I thought it was some queen who's drugs went the wrong way, right up until I heard the next comment which was "how can fags do that!?"
Next thing I knew, he shoved the back of my neck and head with his arm (I couldn't really see what he did as he got me from behind), and we were pushed into other party-goers who started to clear the area around the straight guy and his bimbo girlfriend.
We left, and looked for a security guard, couldn't find one close by, and by the time we saw one he was long disappeared into the masses.
Pretty sad that I was homophobically assaulted at a supposed "gay and lesbian" dance party by a straight homophobe who had probably been dragged along to sleaze to "look at the freaks in the zoo".
If I was seriously injured, I would have certainly taken further action, as I think we deserve a safe atmosphere to party in away from gay bashers, and mardi gras most certainly has a duty of care for it's patrons.
I've written a letter to the sso about it, who knows whether it will even get printed.
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only person this gaybasher(s) assaulted that night.
It's time mardi gras got tough on the issues of straight at our parties! All hetrosexual contact should be banned, and people caught indulging in such offensive behaviour should be immediately remove, with force if necessary. If this is the only way we can be safe at our own parties, then so be it.
J. Frederickson. - Wed Nov 15 0:02:40 2000
Not much review on Gonzalo? How was he? What about some words on all the recoveries?
Wonderer - Wed Nov 15 0:08:54 2000
I think Sleaze Ball was really dull and I think that Glen Horder and his party committee are a bunch of amateurs who don't know what they're doing. I agree with the person who called for an artistic director to be appointed, the parties are too important for a bunch of office workers to be making decisions about dj's and performers.
Wed Nov 15 0:45:34 2000
I dont think personal attacks on Glen Horder (ie: regarding him as sexless) are gonna improve the party.
if you are going to critisize go ahead.....but do it constructivley.
N.w - Wed Nov 15 1:27:53 2000
the issue regarding homophobic straights at our parties comes back to the members giving thier tickets to these people. your safety cannot ever be guaranteed at any event (gay or straight) and while the homophobic attack on this partygoer is deplorable, i do not know what we could expect m.g. or any other organisation to do about it short of assigning a security guard for each and every person. anyone have any suggestions as to what we can do?
Shaerin - Wed Nov 15 8:26:27 2000
Can do nothing Shaerin other than asking members who give tickets to friends that those friends are not homophobic and
not to on-sell the ticket.
Agree re moving Dome music style into Hordern. Agree Dome was
dangerously hot. Agree Mr Harris dull - sent me home early as I
came down way too early.
Steph - Wed Nov 15 8:54:40 2000
Audrey Hepburn was pretty sexy.
Wed Nov 15 9:04:40 2000
I think it is absolutely disgusting what happened to J Fredrickson & his boyfriend. I was one of the straight couples who attended your party but we were there to celebrate what we thought was a great party, with all of our gay friends. It makes me sick to the stomach to know these kinds of homophobic people are around and dare to come to a G/L event. It is 'your' night, 'your' party and no-one gay or straight has the right to do what they did to you. I hope you were able to enjoy the remainder of your night under the circumstances. To Luke Leal - you rocked our world, it may have been hot in there, but what could we expect at a party called 2000 degrees!
Bear - Wed Nov 15 9:57:58 2000
Re "Homophobic Straights" at the party. I am not sure what you can really do, as others have said it is almost impossible to stop members buying extra tickets and passing them to friends (who could then on-sell them). Friends and I have discussed this, and about the only solution we have come up with is to make the tickets be worn around the neck with a clearly visible ID No - thus if anyone is causing problems the person who bought the ticket can be identified, and held accountable. Thus, everyone who buys tickets would be held accountable for the actions of those people the tickets are given/sold to.
Just and Idea - Wed Nov 15 11:18:02 2000
The ticket would clash with the Pearls.
Gay or Straight pub/club/party/rave.......out of 14,000 so far
this is the only one reported. Even if another 10 report its
still a low number and certainly dont condone it happening but
it does happen now matter where you are. To be honest I think
Gay parties/venues have a much lower rate of this happening than
other straight parties/venues. There will always be a few who
go off their nut for whatever reason. Realy sorry your night was
spoilt though J. Frederickson.
Cas - Wed Nov 15 11:28:35 2000
Fuc*k overseas DJ's - they dont know what sydney wants ! & to all the other people who are anti o/s dj's...Barry Harris may have been crap but cast your mind back to Wayne G, everyone loved him. In my opinion Gonzalo & Victor Colderone also delivered the goods. Its just a matter if selecting the right o/s DJs. Dave Seaman for MG please!
5:55 - Wed Nov 15 11:46:10 2000
Bear..its a shame more str8t party goers don't think like you.I remember bumping into a girl more then once(naked except for a g-string)& her boyfriend who did nothing but parade around sucking eachothers faces off & posing for pictures,although I have alot of str8t friends & wouldn't usually find this behaviour offensive I have to admit that on this occassion I did.I felt that they were deliberately trying to create a reaction from people by openly showing their affections & making it as obvious as they could that they were str8t and didn't give a shit whos party it was. I really wonder if this is the type of behaviour that str8ts put on at their own parties or is it the type of show they save for our parties so they can rub people up the wrong way?! Being the accepting community that we are I think sometimes str8ts think this gives them the license to be offensive and disrespectful.On the occassions I saw this happening,and believe me it was on more then one,I turned to the girl and said in my most sexiest voice"show me your pussy"...as you can imagine the bf didn't like this!
Save it for your own parties! - Wed Nov 15 11:51:30 2000
Sleaze has become a mini-mardi gras party. It doesn't have its own vib anymore. It should be sexier and raunchier - we're queer after all and get hot for same sex action. The shows are stupid and sexless and if that is what the director and party committeee come up with they deserve criticism. It is starting to feel like a high school reunion. The sexy edge of Sleaze had been stripped away and the mardi gras security behaved like the sex police. Last one I go to - please someone produce a sexy alternative next year.
Wed Nov 15 12:09:25 2000
After reading all of these (very valid) comments, I can only say that Sydney is clearly moving towards wanting smaller, more focussed, better produced parties catering to the demands of its (gay and lesbian) audience. The groups behind funkier, sexier parties like Homo Eclectus, Black, Ice, etc are becoming seriously successful because they think of their audiences safety, comfort and sexuality first and foremost. I believe MG is catering to the straight and narrow and is scared to create something specific to the Sydney queer community. How about 2 tix per member in the future and give the party some panache.
bored and want better - Wed Nov 15 13:15:47 2000
I've read some crazy comments, but the idea of MG being sued if someone dies from drug use in a hot venue is just dumb. Everyone, but everyone, who takes a drug that can cause serious bodily damage (and all of these, E, K, GHB, whatever, do cause damage, to varying degrees) only have themselves to blame if they are ill or worse as a result. Whatever the circumstances. Unless they are mentally retarded. If you want to have a great time, don't take drugs!
Wed Nov 15 13:36:11 2000
Dear Barry Thunderpuss Harris,
Thank you for accepting Sydney's Invitation to play At Sleaze Ball 2000
Thank you for accepting a free reyturn air fare for you and your manager
Thank you for accepting a fee that was more than the other 2 DJ's who played in your hall combined
Thank you for playing music that sent everyone to sleep
Thank you for playing music that brought everyone down in the middle of the night
Thank you for spoiling the night for Sydney.
On a more serious note I want to sincerely thank the other two Dj's in the RHI who were great.Isnt it funny that the local boys could make the boring yank look so bad ?
I think theres a message in that madness dont you think ?
Troyboy - Wed Nov 15 13:37:25 2000
re this comment - Wed Nov 15 13:36:11 2000 - the heat issue in the dome is **NoT** a drug debate.The heat in the Dome is serious enough to kill a person who is not on drugs !
Wed Nov 15 13:40:01 2000
Barry Harris had a gig in Houston Texas on Sunday 12 November.
bye bye must fly - Wed Nov 15 13:47:37 2000
Barry Harris had a gig in Houston Texas on Sunday 12 November.
bye bye must fly - Wed Nov 15 13:47:37 2000 ...well that shows you his "care factor" for the lack of performance he put on.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Wed Nov 15 13:49:35 2000
Sleaze Ball 2000 was the best ever
Juan Antonio - Wed Nov 15 14:15:14 2000
i rate Barry Harris's performance right up there with Eric the eel at the olympics
sad - Wed Nov 15 14:19:15 2000
When's the ticker tape parade for all the volunteers ???
Wed Nov 15 14:20:53 2000
Personal abuse deleted.
I think we've got the message now kids about Barry Harris and his lack of talent on Saturday night.Can we talk about something else P L E A S E!
Bored with the same ole same ole! - Wed Nov 15 14:47:13 2000
what else is there to talk about on this board when this board represents a past event ?
Wed Nov 15 14:55:47 2000
Re above comment. I agree that WE have all got the message regarding Barry Harris.........I sincerely hope that SGLMG has too though. Has everyone who posted a message here also posted on to the MG site????? That's when we might get some action.
EB - Wed Nov 15 15:06:51 2000
While I agree that the Dome was too hot, I stayed there almost all night, going out occassionally to cool down and hoping that I would be able to get back in again. The atmosphere, music, crowd and decor in the Dome was the best I have ever experienced at a MG or Sleaze party. I spent just 20 minutes in the Hordern all night (Sveta of course) and 3 minutes in the RHI. Luke, Gonzalo, baby Bear and Mark Murphy were all brilliant. The que's to get in to the Dome proove that hard house and trance should be moved to teh Hordern for MG, and deep house moved back to the Dome. As for recoveries, the Barracks was great (loved Mandy's bump n grind trance and tech house), and ICE was terrific fun - one of the best recovery parties I've ever been to. Baby Bear's set at ICE was awesome and "thrash dancing" amongst all those hot men was wild! I'm paying for it now, but it was worth it.
Nat - Wed Nov 15 15:12:47 2000
Well, Barry Harris definatly ruined my first Sleaze Ball, thank God for Alex Talyor who saved the weekend by making all my recoveries fantastic
Wed Nov 15 15:23:42 2000
RHI - lighting on a budget but fantastically executed. Harris was a poor choice - MG needs to do much more research on its audience and the DJs. I am sure he would work wonders in New York or Miami. The RHI bookends saved the day! Hordern, once again, two small room DJs chosen to play a big room, big mistake. Sveta is Queen of the Hordern and saved the day there. The Dome - went off all night, screaming, yelling, sweating, non stop appreciation - perfect. Shows what happens when MG use a proven format. ICE - fantastic new bigger venue, very busy, a repeat of the Dome with an extra helping of trance, and the hypnotic lighting and clear sound added a new dimension. The most exhausting weekend ever.
Maggie Kirkpatrick - Wed Nov 15 15:54:41 2000
Well I think MG did fine. I do agree with B Harris being a shit
DJ and Dome to hot and Dome music style be move back to Hordern
and Hordern style moved back to Dome but as an overall the Committee should be congratulated. You will never please them
all and by looking at posts majority are only complaining about
the Yank DJ and the too hot Dome
Princess - Wed Nov 15 16:05:00 2000
jesus christ ! every message says the same bloody thing ! please stop repeating what others have already written & write something different
Eccy Wednesday - Wed Nov 15 17:12:47 2000
chill out space - please give us respite from the horder 4x4
Wed Nov 15 17:13:07 2000
I want to place my comments on the mardi gras forum page but how ironic that the week after a party the whole mardi gras web site is not working ???????
Any Other bright ideas ??? - Wed Nov 15 17:27:13 2000
Sleaze was first created to be a gay and lesbian costume ball and major fund raiser for MG. It has succeeded for the past 17 yrs. Did anyone notice anybody in costume this year??? For that matter, did anybosy notice anybody looking particularly interesting, let alone interested...Bitch, moan, groan, cringe, compliment if you must, but all in all, this years Sleaze was seriously lack lustre.
more sexiness please - Wed Nov 15 17:34:28 2000
If MG can't stand the heat - they should get out of the kitchen
There are other ways of fundraising - Wed Nov 15 20:32:03 2000
MG in the kitchen ? They couldn't even boil an egg properly :P
Wed Nov 15 20:52:22 2000
Less than fabulous nobodies.
Wed Nov 15 20:53:24 2000
To Bear Wed 9:15.... I think it is great that you have recognised Sleaze and the Mardi Gras party as 'our' parties. When people do fully recognise that, we might be able to properly enjoy them without fear of any of the behaviour J. Frederickson et al had to endure. A few years ago, I saw an article in one of the Sydney or Melbourne papers regarding the Mardi Gras party. The onus was placed on straight people to make decisions about their attendance. The crux of the article was that straights who respected and had any understanding of our need for 'our' parties would, of their own accord, not attend. As a man, I believe women should, if they wish, have women only functions. I believe I have a responsibility to respect women's wishes for this, so I would not choose to 'push a point' by attending. In the same way, I believe that homosexuals n-e-e-d to have their own functions where straights do not attend. Instead of us having to force the issue, what about straights respecting the needs of gays and lesbians, and deciding themselves to stay away from 'our' parties. I sincerely respect your respect, straight friends.
Bear, let's party together some time at a function that has not been founded (albeit 17 years and much history since) on the basis of 'different sexualities', and where everyone's wishes are being respected. I do not support my straight friends coming to 'our' parties. I would like them to be there, but maybe other patrons do not wish that.
Mortee who loved Sleaze 2000 - Wed Nov 15 20:54:04 2000
Personal abuse deleted.
'Mortee who loved Sleaze 2000' - Like Bear I'm a straight who was at the party with gay & straight friends. We dressed to fit in (hot / sleaze), we loved the scenery, the music, the people, and we hugely enjoyed ourselves. Our gay friends invited us because we are friends, and we were there to celebrate diversity, support our gay friends - but most of all to have a party with a lot of like minded people. I know some gay people feel that the party should be exclusively gay - but many others, like our friends, wanted to party with all of their friends, not just their gay ones. Its not an easily resolved issue - where you might welcome us to dance together at another function, more militantly separatist gays have a problem with straights at ICE, or ARQ - where does the seperation stop?
I have no idea why anyone even slightly homophobic would want to go to any of these parties, and completely sympathise with anyone affected by their behaviour - it unacceptable. But I think at Sleaze there was only a tiny number of this type of incident, and my friends and I had a wonderful time, as did most of the people we talked to. I hope to enjoy many more gay & straight parties with my gay & straight friends.
Hard 'n Banging - Thu Nov 16 8:47:48 2000
Dear Mortee - I invite 2 of my best straight friends to every
MG and Sleaze and would have it no other way. They invite me
to "straight" parties and wouldn't have it any other way. You will not got rid of the problem. I choose to go with my gay and
straight friends. As Bear and Hard 'n Banging point out they are aware who's party it is etc. The day MG introduce a gay
only party is the day I look at the alternative parties.
Again remember my choice. Its totally up to members to not sell
their tickets to people they do not know or to make sure friends they have given tickets to do not on-sell. That is where the problem is not with people like myself or Bear or
Harn 'n Banging's friends who know how their straight friends
will behave.
Nicky - Thu Nov 16 9:02:17 2000
To the posting 'more sexiness please'-I wonder if you wore an outrageous costume,dedicated long hours to rehearsals leading up to the party or volunteered your 'sexy'time to helping with artistic flare in any of the halls....I very much doubt it!And god forbid anyone that tried to have an 'interesting'conversation with you on the night,with an attitude like yours they would have been sadly disappointed!Crawl back into your hole love....I had a ball,spent many a long hours beading my costume and taking orders from friends to make theirs aswell,I had many an interesting conversations with people around me due to the fact my costume attracted so much attention,I felt sexy,my friends looked sexy and the music in the dome was sexy. Better luck next time maybe!
Mind over matter... - Thu Nov 16 9:12:07 2000
Nicky-I think its great that you can invite your str8t friends to our parties and feel confident that they will have nothing but utmost respect for what it is,a G&L event for gay and lesbians, although I think the point that Bear & others are trying to make here is that not all str8ts think like this,unfortunately many don't have this respect & so ruin it for others.Continue inviting your friends if this makes you happy but also realise that its only natural that some of us would prefer to be surrounded by gay & lesbians only at a party that is dedicated to us and us alone. We put in the hard work preparing it,we volunteer our long hours rehearsing for it,we give up our evenings during the weeks leading upto this event to help with art design & orginising the behind the scence things that our str8t friends have no idea about. So yes, let them enjoy our hard work & effort but also let us feel like we have the right to have it all to ourselves too even if this will never be the case.
Love a martini.... - Thu Nov 16 9:26:51 2000
yeah packed on make up makes me feel soooooo sexy.... especially when i start to sweat when i get hot and heavy.
Thu Nov 16 9:44:14 2000
I didn't actually pack on my make-up honey,i'm not a drag-queen!
mind over matter.... - Thu Nov 16 9:51:17 2000
Mortee has a point..... I personally don't mind seeing some str8's at parties as long as they're there for the right reasons and realise where they're at..... and as long as they're not dominant. However, the newspaper article's point is that if they *Truly* understand and respect the significance of these parties to G&L's (being able to be feel totally safe and free, be ourselves.... after difficult teenage years and day-to-day non-acceptance etc.) then they would not be there. I don't think we can ever stop str8's at parties and I dont think I would like to really but it's definately a valid point that was raised to think about. Sometimes str8's there just remind you how nice would it be to feel like this all the time and then you realise that will never happen. IMO the less str8's there the better.... imagine if everyone going to the party invited 2 of their accepting str8 friends. The place might be filled with people who accept us but imagine looking around and seeing nearly as many str8's as G&L's??
In Moderation! - Thu Nov 16 11:02:26 2000
A below average night.
Thu Nov 16 11:40:34 2000
In reply to Nicky.Great,so your str8t friends invite you to their parties...are these anything to compare to the type that we throw for our G&L community?Are they run by str8ts for str8ts only? Do they attract international artists and have 3 large halls to cater for all music types? Do the costumes people wear leave you frozen in your tracks or the shows performed leave fond memories for you weeks after the party is over? Can you kiss your girlfriend openly and with no shame or fear? Its nice that you can share eachothers parties & that your friends seem to have an understanding of our past struggles to get to where we are now,but I wonder if they truely understand because I feel if they did,they would not be there at all. Ask yourself this....how many fundraising events to they attend throughout the year that support our community??Are they involved in any of our community projects to help with any of our causes or do they volunteer their time to any of our G&L organisations? Are they really understanding of our plight or just very understanding of just how good our parties really can be and just how much fun can be had!! I'm not against str8ts,never have been and never will. I just believe strongly that we deserve our own party to celebrate a fight that many of us battle each day,have battled in the past and will continue to in the future -I don't think this is asking too much.
I see pink! - Thu Nov 16 12:21:27 2000
Can we get our music styles correct and it what halls they were played. When you can get that correct then your comments can be taken seriously. sheeeh! Do you want some help?
Thu Nov 16 13:46:25 2000
Dear I see Pink - I see red when f..kwits like you speak up.
Actually they do volunteer work CSN/Acon/various other charitable events over about the last 11 years ! So yes they do
have an understanding.
Typical of people like you , you see one straight person and you label all other straights as exactly the same but as per your last sentence " to celebrate a fight that many of us battle each day" will the day ever arrive when the battle is over? No. Will there never be wars - No. Will there be no more disease - No. There is always something around the corner. I manage to live my life without blaming others for my problems(actually htere aren't any at the moment ).
I know yours - bring back the men only tents please. Thats about as close to being a 100% gay space you will get.
As for " I'm not against straights " ha ha ha ha ha.......
Nicky - Thu Nov 16 13:50:45 2000
Forget it Nicky. People like " I see Pink" will always feel
persecuted. I too have straight friends who get in and help
on a number of gay fund raisers etc etc but thats not good
enough apparently.
Remember Nicky, their your tickets to give to your friends.
MG and Sleaze will never be 100% gay and there is no way it could be policed. These people just live in la la land.
Dont get into an argument with them, just ignore it.
Actually come to think of it 2 of my straight friends do way more than me for the gay community especially fund raising etc
so does that mean I should stay at home.
Forget about them, its easier - Thu Nov 16 14:00:32 2000
Nicky~you need to cool down girl.Each to their own-you have some valid points as does 'I see Pink'.Remember,each persons experiences are different. As for the above poster,maybe you should stay home!
Thu Nov 16 14:46:55 2000
I hope all of this is archived. It will seem so quaint in 20 years time.
Thu Nov 16 14:50:13 2000
At long last a topic on here that doesn't have to do with the bloody DJ selection!!
Thu Nov 16 14:54:02 2000
No actually i was just gonna get back to echoing how bad Barry Harris was heehehehehehehehehehe !!!
Thu Nov 16 15:08:53 2000
Dont buy into the straight argument Nicky. Go back to previous walls and you'll see they are repeating themselves. Your right it will never be solved as will they never be happy.
Johnno - Thu Nov 16 15:36:36 2000
Yeah so lets all argue about something we all agree on - how really bad was that awful american dj ! :)
Thu Nov 16 15:50:59 2000
Enough about the fuc**#@$! American DJ already,its getting boring already,are you boys all really that mundane that you can't talk about anything else?
I wonder.... - Thu Nov 16 16:34:43 2000
Earlier this week I thanked a number of people for contributing to the success of the Dome. In my exhausted state I totally forgot to mention two people who are responsible for giving hard house/trance the exposure that ultimately led to the line up in the Dome. The ICE boys (Kevin Daly & Craig Payne)have not only constantly encouraged and promoted the ICE/Dome DJ's for the last year but provided support on the night all night just by being there in front of the box. A small thing but it meant a lot to me. Meanwhile back at headquarters...great to see my fellow Dolly-Rockers Jake & Greg getting the praise they deserve. Unfortunately didn't get to hear Jake's set cos' we were on at the same time but was totally impressed & proud of Greg's set! You Rock!
Luke Leal - Thu Nov 16 17:20:36 2000
An officer and a gentleman. And not a bad DJ either ... ;-)
EC - Thu Nov 16 20:15:15 2000
what's Richard Gere got to with this ?
Chiclet - Thu Nov 16 21:14:57 2000
Gees I diddn't know Luke did Headquarters too (wink). But I did spend half the night at Frisky perving on him.
BND - Thu Nov 16 21:18:58 2000
A Message to Panther
Dear Panther,We all carry on like total loonies on this board and yet never stop to think about the service you actually provide us on this board.
I want to ask "YoU" a few questions about "Your" Sleaze Ball.
What Did "you" do ?
Where did you hang out ?
What DJ's did you enjoy ?
What DJ's did you not enjoy ?
What did you think about the shows? What was your highlights for the night ?
What did you think about the party ? Did you meet some new friends ? Did you find a nice man to play with ? Are you even a man ? Gawd - who knows Panther might be a girl for all we know !! I have so many questions for our pinkboard host.
So tell us dear Panther,give us a run down of your Sleaze 2000 degrees night out ?
Countdown Boy - Thu Nov 16 21:22:35 2000
and as for luke doing headquarters well i've got a story to tell but I'm sure it would be deleted from this board rather quickly :P
Countdown Boy :) - Thu Nov 16 21:27:33 2000
Why? your other stupid rants didn't get deleted!
Thu Nov 16 22:12:54 2000
funny funny HA HA
Thu Nov 16 22:15:57 2000
I'm Panthers boyfriend and we had a fabulous time. Except for a few hours when we got seperated. I spent my time looking for Panther and when I finally found him he was danicing in the RHI. (I don't think he even noticed I was missing.) I loved Dome!
Thu Nov 16 22:46:32 2000
Hmm....as per everyone else, heat in the Dome!! Wow! Whats going on? Im going to want to read something in the press about the measures thay will be taking to ensure it will be cooler before I fork out money for mardi gras tix. Re the str8 thing. I roll my eyes in disgrace at part of the gay community - we want acceptance but we dont want str8s at our parties - have a listen to yourselves - I hope that none of my gay friends think like that, because I wouldnt be calling them friends! I had a great time with my str8 flatmates, I couldnt ask for better friends to spend Sleeze with, apart from my boyfriend. :)
They werent kidding with the hot theme! - Fri Nov 17 0:03:02 2000
Unwarranted personal attack deleted.
Wow ............
PaulD - Fri Nov 17 7:43:19 2000
God there are some miseries on this board! Luke - love your work! Your Dome set was a monster, and am now very keen to check out ICE - see you there one day.
Hard 'n Banging - Fri Nov 17 8:09:35 2000
Agree with you Hard 'n Banging, I'm gagging must have been Mr Nasty when he wrote that comment. I wouldn't know Mr Leal (or any other dj) if I fell over him/them, but I'm impressed by anyone on here who offers congratulations, and thanks others, for helping to make Sleaze and the other danceparties that happen through the collective talents and imaginations of our community such fabby nights. Call me old-fashioned, my mum does, but I like to see criticism balanced with praise....too often we are too quick to offer our (often very idiosyncratic) critiques without any thanks at all. See you at Pride.
keanu - Fri Nov 17 8:32:53 2000
Countdown - I did have a great Sleaze, thankyou. My favourite part of the night was Untra Nate's show in the Horden. I kept wandering around most of the night. Other than that I will remain pink and mysterious until I get hold of a good photo of my costume (I went to a lot of effort for it).
Panther - Fri Nov 17 8:40:27 2000
They werent kidding with the hot theme! - Fri Nov 17 0:03:02 2000 - I think the issue is getting confused (as it always does). It is **inappropriate** people at the parties that are a problem not straights in general. Posters further up this wall have detailed how they got abused and physically assaulted by people who shouldn't have been at the party. People who **happened** to be straight. We only have ourselves to blame though. Obviously some member (gay) sold their share of tickets to the highest bidder no matter who they were.
Fri Nov 17 9:06:37 2000
Not wanting str8ts at the party has nothing to do with our 'acceptance'struggle~I think this is a completely different issue.Wanting to feel safe,relaxed and non-threatened at our party is what its about.Yes, a great party,great DJ's and some excellent outfits but also I understand the G&L's fear of our parties being dominated by str8ts with no respect,not all,only a few that ruin it for the rest.
tiger - Fri Nov 17 9:28:23 2000
To "they weren't kidding" - thanks for that. Nice to hear from someone on my side. We want to be accepted but put conditions
on who we will accept. I too have straight friends who are just
as close and dear to me as my gay friends and love partying
with them and will continue to do so.
Over and out on this argument.
Nicky - Fri Nov 17 10:51:06 2000
The MG Promo said that Barry Harris was to be supported by local DJs Jake Kilby and Greg Boladian. Please never do that again - our boys, Australians, are equals, if not better, in our minds, and we want them recognised at such. We should never doubt, especially after the last few months, that we have awesome talent in this country and do not need to look elsewhere for anything more than a bit of variety on occasions. Great Sleaze - thanks to Glenn and his hardworking team.
Deep throat - Fri Nov 17 11:42:09 2000
Thats Hilarious (in Hindsight) !! Barry Harris was help upright by the outstanding performances of Boladian and Kilby.I think who ended up supporting who is now quite damn obvious !
Thunderpuss shooting blanks ! - Fri Nov 17 12:43:25 2000
Seeing Jake before he commenced his set and seeing him after will live on in my memory for a long long time. A very special moment. Congrats Jake you shold be very pround. Greg you certainly carried it home .... No comment on BH. Horden DJs lived up to their reputations ... Well done. Dome DJs LL,Gonzalo,BB & MM. All distinctive in their styles of Hard House but so complimentary to each others set. What a journey to experience. Great lighting and scenary as well. 8 out of 9 DJs ... Not bad . . . . . .??
software - Fri Nov 17 14:30:20 2000
I think the Thunder in the Thunderpuss pettered out to more like a Whimperpuss ! So Glenn Horder, shall we invite Barry Harris back ?
it wouldnt surprise me - Fri Nov 17 14:35:12 2000
I thought Barry Harris' set was the most amazing set I have ever heard. What a DJ. Let's have him back again for MG2001.
Give him a break you you you . . . . .
Barry Harris Fan Club - Number 3 - Fri Nov 17 14:48:43 2000
I'm Panthers boyfriend - Thu Nov 16 22:46:32 2000 - What ? What ? What ?
Panther has a Boyfriend ?
Well now I am truly guttered :(
Countdown Boy (all upset now) - Fri Nov 17 14:50:05 2000
Hi,i'm Panthers girlfriend and I just want to say that I was really pissed off that he wasn't home till 3pm Monday night to feed the kids & put the rubbish out.
The wife... - Fri Nov 17 15:12:29 2000
Im sorry panthers wife - he was way too busy feeding @%#@@^#$$@ to get home and bother about the kids :P
Fri Nov 17 15:26:58 2000
I just had communication with a friend who lives in Houston,Texas who attended Barry Harris's DJ gig the night after Sleaze Ball.It seems he flopped two nights in a row ! Which just goes to show you MG should in future insist on overseas DJ's climatising to Sydney before they accept a gig here.Overseas DJ's who wanna fly in and fly out within a 48 hour period (Calderone,Harris) grabbing our hard earned cash should be viewed upon with much much much sceptisism indeed ! Besides this point I had an excellent Sleaze Ball and I'm going to hit town this weekend cause I have all these leftover goodies from last week :) Who wants to share with me ?
tango fandango - Fri Nov 17 16:20:59 2000
Every year at every party I see them video all the shows, when do we get to see them? They must be available somewhere. Anyone?
Fri Nov 17 21:53:38 2000
I thought the music was great in the RHi all night, except at the end, just like last year with all that Whitney!Boring! Barry Harris was fantastic
Fri Nov 17 21:55:42 2000
The slickest stage-set ever in rhi with big *uck-you branding, sleaze2000degrees, across 30m of white-hot production. Ultra nate, Ms Cousins, and Clare pushing the envelope... severely. Some people will hate it, whatever you do, because what they want is that great party they had once, repeated endlessly. Glenn, thankyou for abandoning a formula that had become so, so stale and daring to inject modernity & humour and 21st century production values into a party that has gained a new lease on life thanx to you and your team. Take risks, avoid cliches, and ignore the ped-heads you read here. Thankyou. Muchly.
Fri Nov 17 23:01:25 2000
Thanks for all your support guys. Yes it was tragic that I was more or less "gay bashed" at sleazeball by suburban hetrotrash.
I think it's very simple to stop this occuring, simply put up signs saying "this is a gay and lesbian event, if you are not gay or lesbian, we would prefer you do not enter, and you may be asked to leave". Warning signs against hetrosexual contact can also be put up.
J. Frederickson. - Fri Nov 17 23:21:52 2000
Honda Quaalude
Chiclet - Sat Nov 18 2:41:44 2000
J. Frederickson. - I didn't see those signs this time. They have had them for the last half dozen MG & Sleaze parties.
Arti - Sat Nov 18 9:14:53 2000
including "we would not like you to enter"???
Sat Nov 18 12:24:09 2000
In all this debate about Internationals, it has been overlooked that Gonzalo was f***ing brilliant at Sleaze. It is not the concept of Internationals that is the problem, it is just the choice of big names who look good on paper without being properly briefed that fail.
Sat Nov 18 12:36:02 2000
Personal abuse deleted.
where the hell is Lovin' It ?
El Panteez - Sat Nov 18 16:30:43 2000
I think it worth pointing out that Jake Kilby's set featured at least five Thunderpuss mixes (Barry Harris is one of the DJ's that make up this team). So the success of Jake's set partly lies in the fact that he played Barry's music. Maybe Barry wanted to test some new ground and thought you guys might like something new and fresh. In terms of international DJ's - Victore Calderone was awesome last year, so was Wayne G - remember boys? Gonzalo in the Dome this year, Warren Gluck 99 in the RHI. It's not about where a DJ comes from it's about how they are briefed and how they match up. If you say they shouldn't be at our parties you are also saying our DJ's shouldn't be at theirs. So much for a global dance culture.
Shoot the messenger - Sat Nov 18 16:33:46 2000
maybe, just maybe barry had a bad day and we were the unfortunate ones who had to live through his bad day
Shaerin - Sat Nov 18 18:41:34 2000
Shaerin - Sat Nov 18 18:41:34 2000 - barry didnt have a bad day - he had a bad weekend - i refer you to the posting at tango fandango - Fri Nov 17 16:20:59 2000
look learn and listen - Sat Nov 18 20:02:28 2000
i want to add to the posting at Fri Nov 17 21:55:42 2000 - You Must be lieing or simply you were *NoT* at the party at all.
I agree that Greg Boladian Did *NoT* play any Whitney Houston and I need to add that Barry Harris did as the posting at Nov 18 13:03:26 2000 play a Whitney Track.In fact he played TWO !
He played some awful version of Its not right but Ok and also a dreadful version of Same script different cast (a Whitney and Deb.Cox duet).
I hate people who come on hear clueless and factless !
Grrrrrrr !! - Sat Nov 18 20:08:23 2000
Shoot the messenger - Sat Nov 18 16:33:46 2000 Dearest "Shoot the messenger"...Let me shoot you for posting such tripe.I am sitting here looking at Jake Kilby's play list right now from last Saturday night and in his entire set he played only two Thunderpuss remixes.The first was "If you wanna dance" by Nobodys Angel and the second three songs later was "Above the Clouds" by Amber.To say he played "at least 5 Thunderpuss mixes" is a gross exaggeration and just a wild fabrication of the facts.I feel you may be mixing up the Thunderpuss remixes with the Hex Hector Remixes of which Jake played five.Whilst Hex Hector and Thunderpuss remixes can sound alike they are two very different identities altogether !
Me ! - Sat Nov 18 20:36:11 2000
Shoot the messenger:Thanks for enjoying my MG performance in 1999. As it happens, I was at Sleaze 2000 degrees, from opening to closing. Thank you Jake and Greg!!!
Warren Gluck - Sat Nov 18 22:01:27 2000
Loved Jake and Greg's sets in the RHI, all 3 show's in the RHI & really like the long stage on the right. Helps stop the floor from getting too conjested at show times. The Dome was too hot but enjoyed the DJ's in there.. maybe Hard House should be in the Horden judging by the popularity even with the heat. Thankyou Glenn Horder and your team!
Just a Party Boy! - Sat Nov 18 23:33:12 2000
Thunderpuss2000, Hex Hector, Victor Calderone - Cheddar, Gorgonzola, Feta.
Chiclet - Sun Nov 19 3:08:25 2000
My bf and I had a thoroughly good time at Sleaze, Laneway, ARQ and Frisky. Many thanks to all the organisers, and all of our friends who showed us such a good time.
In terms of music etc, we really loved the Dome, especially Gonzalo (but then we are Trade fanatics)..., but the over venues were great too. We really enjoyed the final hour in the RHI.
As for Frisky... well, amazing! Easily up to the quality of Trade re music, lights and people :) We Want More.
Thanks Sydney.
Bill & Jeremy (NZ) - Sun Nov 19 10:06:05 2000
I think that every American DJ that has been chosen for Mardi Gras and Sleaze Balls have been awful.As for the English ones well I feel they have been fine.Sydney's music is and always has been more European based and thats why the UK DJ's have gone down much better than the USA ones.The USA DJ's seem to play at extremes and never actually "hit the spot" with Sydney Crowds.
Warren Gluck was just WAY too commercial & cheesy (not that theses anything wrong with commercial).
Victor Calderone was just WAY too deep and housey and lacked variety.
And of course Barry Harris was just WAY too boring and tribal.
I think there in lies the problem.The USA DJ's dont play that sort of middle ground that Sydney expects in dance party music,whereas the UK DJ's do.
Thats my 20 cents worth ! Please be nice (and **constructive**) if you wish to disagree - Sun Nov 19 10:42:35 2000
And here's my humourous point for the day re American DJ's
If they don't know how to play decent music at a dance party how the hell can we expect them to pick their own President :)
Sorry about that :) - Sun Nov 19 10:45:47 2000
you people take it all to seriously....as long as you got laid, who cares what track a dj played.....lighten up girls!!
Sun Nov 19 12:02:37 2000
OH MY God ! Maybe thats the trick , cause i didnt get laid over the sleaze weekend at all ! Now I am starting to feel quite deprived since that issue has been brought up.
somebody pass me a dictionary,i need to look up the meaning of the word "sex" - Sun Nov 19 12:53:09 2000
and i blame the fact that i didnt get laid over the sleaze weekend on SGLMG for not supplying a designated sex area heheheheheheheheee !
Sun Nov 19 12:55:29 2000
Well Its One week after the event,the dust is settling and I am looking forward to the reviews and letters colomns in both Gay papers next week.In the meantime i think it might be appropriate to point out that there is 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go 105 days to go !!
Countdown Boy :) - Sun Nov 19 17:55:16 2000
Are there two gay papers in Sydney?
who would've guessed - Sun Nov 19 19:48:14 2000
As a sleeze virgin I found it to be great. The night can be done with out drugs. The mind and a positive attitute is the most powerful drug. I was there from 10pm to 7am, at which time the group I was with were comeing 'down' from their high, but I was still up there. As for the Dome and the heat, You guys on the committee must have great insurance, just get some air in the place. After being on B&S committe balls out in the country for the past 15 years, there is more to a party which makes guys come back.
Sun Nov 19 20:14:30 2000
is that similar to the TV ad where the boys that are drinking milk, dance all night & the piss-pots are passed out in the corner ?
Chiclet (lactose intollerant) - Sun Nov 19 23:10:37 2000
Ultra Nate is a goddess !!! for MG I'd like to have Lolleatta Holloway & Jocelyn Brown.
Chiclet (pt 2) - Sun Nov 19 23:13:43 2000
re my posting at Countdown Boy :) - Sun Nov 19 17:55:16 2000 I need to make a public apology cause at yesterday there was 104 days to go - now as at today there is 103 !
Maths aint my strong point D'oH ! - Mon Nov 20 11:14:58 2000
Right here I think Monseuir Panties. I have nothing to say on this wall as I wasn't there. Can only add that it's interesting that these walls were at their lowest point ever (in my opinion) prior to Sleaze - but now there seems to be a consensus about one event.
lovin' it - Mon Nov 20 13:19:55 2000
PS - Lolletta Holloway, now that would be sensational. It would be Love Sensational.
lovin' it - Mon Nov 20 16:13:15 2000
Honda Quualude?Eh? Is there a competition on the board for a new dragqueen name?
Tue Nov 21 11:37:51 2000
mark murphy in the dome was mind-blowing his ice set was better, his swarm set at the weekend was better. one of the best techno djs in Sydney. Don't forget your tape for mardi gras, mark.
Tue Nov 21 11:39:03 2000
techno is soooo 1993 !
Seseme's Treat - Tue Nov 21 11:41:20 2000
To all those people who are bitching about Barry Harris, why didn't you simply pick up your skirts and move to another hall?
There was plenty of good music played at Sleaze...but the RHI seemed crowded all night, even through BH's set.
Tue Nov 21 13:01:41 2000
Yes Mark, don't forget your MG submission. That also goes to Luke, David, Sveta, Mandy, Lanny and Thao. Let it rip at MG!
Tue Nov 21 14:00:04 2000
Probably it would be best to have a better understanding of dance music in 2000 before saying something as ludicrous as 'techno is so 1993'.
EC - Tue Nov 21 15:12:51 2000
techno was born in 1993 and died just as quickly
yawn (techno makes my ears bleed) - Tue Nov 21 16:07:54 2000
And your nonsense on this wall again makes my eyes red.
Nat - Tue Nov 21 17:12:18 2000
Just the fact that you believe techno was 'born' in 1993 shows your ignorance. Maybe you should stick to critiquing the Spice Girls.
Tue Nov 21 17:24:55 2000
I personally think Sleaze was utterly dull, lifeless, music was so inconsistent, the crowd was ugly and not at all friendly and sleazy. I think it should be called Freak Expo 2000 or the ugly party. Lets have some consistency please
bitterly disappointedxx - Tue Nov 21 18:49:52 2000
Hm. On careful analysis I think you need to change dealers.
Tue Nov 21 19:51:55 2000
Well i think it shall be interesting to see the media wrap up of sleaze in SSO and Q this weekend.Its normally the second issue after a party where reality sinks in and letters to the editor get printed.So lets see what the press have to report.I think it will be quite interesting.
Reporter - Wed Nov 22 0:07:52 2000
Sleaze wasn't and isn't and won't be again.
14,000 sort of streamlinecd homogenised people turned up to a purpose-renovated Party Secure Zone, did drugs and attempted to connect with the music sufficiently to feelgood about themselves, their friends and,presumably, their dealers.
They could have had the same experience at any tinarse niteclub in town.P
The whole point about Sleaze was that it was a tribal celebration held in the Royal Ag Society showgrounds. Terrifying dykes and poofs invading a squattocracy sacred site and unleashing it. Purpose renovated party venues suck the guts out of anything and always end up being Darling Harbour, wherever they are.
Straights at the party? Irrelevant. It's whether or not the homosexual celebration ethos is understood and supported. Got the feeling that a lot of people there couldn't have given a big rat's about gay and dyke - including gays and dykes
DJ's? The purpose of a DJ is to align the beat with guts/balls feet and head to power the party vibe and lift the dance floor into a different dimension. Good DJ's are consistently able to do this. Great DJ's are few and far between and end up putting out crap like "If Madonna Calls" because they lose sight of the fact that a good DJ loves to make people happy. People on the other hand have better things to do than make record spinners and headphone feel good about themselves.
Glen Horder isn't responsible for this debacle. We are, for buying the tickets and allowing Fox to sanistise our celebration .
You want a gay and lesbian party? Tell me how the majority of you would be able to tell!?
Wed Nov 22 2:02:46 2000
The Last posting was brought to you by one very sad ,and one very very very very (say it another ten times) cynical individual indeed.Its blatently obvious this person didnt enjoy the night (thats his/her opinion) but "MY GOD" there must be more constructive ways of describing your thoughts.
Countdown Boy - Wed Nov 22 9:23:28 2000
Finally a coherent and reasonable post!
1st for pinkboard! - Wed Nov 22 9:27:21 2000
The one before that. Not countdown queens.
Damn that cable! - Wed Nov 22 9:30:21 2000
re Wed Nov 22 2:02:46 2000
I think its time SGLMG approached Fox and told them that we are going to build some temporary horse stables or erect a tent out behind the RHI and have them made available for all future MG and Sleaze parties for whatever we feel like doing in that tent area HMM !! We dont even have to have music in that tent so sound proofing costs wont be an issue.We should also make sure Fox keep there noses OUT of that tent / area as we wont be soiling one of their precious little movie studio halls.
That should put some sleaze back into our parties--- and at quite an inconsiderable cost to the mighty Gods who work their "magic" down Erskineville Road way.
Wed Nov 22 9:57:42 2000
If you wanted sleaze then you just had to go to the middle of the Dome.
Nat - Wed Nov 22 12:28:08 2000
Come on Nat, be real. Fox security have killed the real sleaze. A few mindless queens with their willys out on the dance floor (ever heard of speed shrinkage?) The immense popularity of hard house ("the new rock n'roll"Muzik Mag nov '98) meant too many hetro couples on the dance floor anyway. t
Backrooms for ever - Wed Nov 22 14:15:01 2000
Nat - In "that" heat i would have died.Just breathing in the dome was a challenge let alone any extra activities.
Wed Nov 22 14:15:45 2000
Maybe you should be more concerned about promotion of Fox products in the shows as part of the deal ... What a man, what a man, Charlie's Angels
Wed Nov 22 14:18:30 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
For all you silly, petty little queens - get your facts straight! Let me help -
Firstly as Fox owns/operates the venues (some on behalf of Cpmpt) they do not run, operate or manage the parties in any way. They do not provide any security for the Party and the only Fox personnel who can get into the Party are the Licensee, Technical Manager and Assistant, and the Event Manager and Event Coordinator - all for operational reasons only. They are the ones who escort in the plumbers (when the toilets flood) and the electricians (when there are power issues).
Fox also manages the relationship with the sub-contracted caterers and cleaners - hence their staff are also permitted entry to the Party (numbers of these staff need to be approved by sglmg).
sglmg is actually the 'client' and gets treated as such. Changes to the way security interfere with patrons having sex or peeing against the walls inside the venues (it happens) over the years have changed for a number of reasons. Yes, Fox - as the licensee - do have some say, but only because without them as the Licensee there would be no Party: no licence to play music for that many hours at that time, no ability to serve drinks, etc. sglmg cannot be the licencee itself.
Technically speaking, the Party could be closed down if there is sex on premises that is being 'endorsed' (i.e non-intervention = endorsement, by the terms and conditions defintions). This is against the terms and conditions of the Licence - which in itself is a special licence (a Governors Licence) with very 'loose' terms and conditions that was actually created for sglmg events.
Rather than fight Fox on this issue, sglmg have been trying to find solutions to 'allow' this kind of behaviour to happen without openly endorsing it (and lose the possibly of having the Governors Licence granted for the next Party: it is never guaranteed and must be applied for each time).
Security guards are briefing to only remove patrons from areas in which they may cause themselves injury or may cause damage on a more serious level. For example: in the Dome this Sleaze security did politely remove patrons who were having sex behind the drapes against the walls (in danger of knocking over the stands holding the drapes up, there are also high voltage power cables running behind there as they can't be 'hung' due to bad rigging design in that venue.
Patrons having sex on the dancefloor or up against the columns were not removed - as these were not considered to be a 'danger' to either themselves, others or equipment.
In this way sglmg can then claim to be not endorsing this behaviour,whilst still allowing it to happen.
Now, this might not be ideal. I, for one, can see the attraction of f%$king behind the drapes in a more 'private' space. But it can't be - legally. Unfortunately as some people see it, Fox do own/manage the venues that sglmg need to use in order to stage the events (which raise money to fund the Parade and Festival). This does impact on the way the parties can operate and have changed the culture of the events over the years.
The questions can always remain: where else could you stage events like Sleaze and MG?
The new Fox management has also brought about some good changes. But whether the community likes it or not Fox is there to stay (blame the NSW Govt if you will).
SG+LMG is currently campaigning senior management at Fox to make further changes to the venues - like ventilation and improved rigging in the Dome. You may have noticed that the gardens outside the Dome had been repaved, thereby removing the previous tripping hazards. This may be a small step, but it is still a step. Fox are slowly coming round and support our events - as much as they politically can.
Rather than get angry and p^$sed off at sglmg, I would suggest assist them in educating Fox about our community - that we can party safe and together: perhaps in ways that they can't even imagine (and may not wish to). Write constructive criticism to Party Production at SG+LMG - about what you liked and what you didn't like, rather than simply bagging the DJs and pointing out that the Dome was very hot (they know and have been trying to fix it for years!).
And I hope you enjoy next year's MG Party - party safe and party together: in whatever way you enjoy best. :-)
the above is the truth and is meant in good faith... - Wed Nov 22 16:26:58 2000
Bah Humbug ! I still say bring back the horse stables !!
Yee HAA !! - Wed Nov 22 17:05:36 2000
Potentially libelous comment deleted.
oh so very true ! LOL
Wed Nov 22 18:50:50 2000
Sleaze was a great party. For those of us who like our music happy and up, Jake was everythinh we could hope for. His set took me back to the days when I first went to dance parties and the DJs played to the crowd, without worrying what their peers would think. There is defintely a large crowd who just want to have fun- not be "educated" and taken on a "journey"-its a dance party, not a class room. I don't blame anyone on the pary committee for bringing out Barry Harris- I thought it was a great idea when I first heard about it. Like alot of people, I had heard their remixes and thought he'd be great in the RHI. What I hipe it that a lesson is learnt and that the committee ensure they know what style of DJ they are bringing out IF they choose to import a DJ- although I defintely think we have ample talent here. If the committee want to use a line like "You'll have your hands in the air the entire night" or whatever they said, they should either choose the DJs more carefully or give the chosen DJs a stronger brief. As DJs are artists and do not like being told what to play, the first choice is preferable. Before it even gets to briefing, the DJs should be chosen on their style. Obviously girly music is my thing, but I appreciate many other people like a harder style of music, and it seems from peoples comments that they mostly got what they wanted. MG are in a unique position-they can put on a party with many spaces-all they need to do is put DJs in each space to create three different soundscapes-RHI should be up and commercial for most of the night. There are people who only go to 1 or 2 dance parties all year- surely they should be able to hear Kylie or Maddies lattest hit etc and sing along with their hands madly abobe their heads. They shouldn't be subjected to hard music, and nor should those people who like harder music be subjected to crappy Kylie tunes. They should be given a separate space with harder music all night. How hard can this all be. I could pick DJs based solely on what I've read on these pages and through word of mouth that would suit each hall perfectly. Hopefully at MG they will iron out any wrinkles in the DJ selection process and finally get it 100% right (or close to it).
Little Sparrow - Wed Nov 22 23:48:28 2000
Now that the time has just clicked passed midnight that means it is now officially Thursday November 23,2000 and as such I the Countdown Boy,counter of all things Gay and Lesbian proudly wish to announce that Mardi Gras 2001 is now only.......... 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away 100 days away !!!!!!!!
Its so exciting isn't it boys and girls ????!!!!!!
Let the Countdowns begin !!!!!! :)!! - Thu Nov 23 0:01:40 2000
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