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The theme for this year's Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Sleaze Ball is Sleaze 2000 Degrees. The theme is all about extremes. To use the cliché that will be overused, it could be the hottest ever.

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ooo-eeerrrrr.I'm first on the board.I feel so honoured.Sleaze 2000 degrees.What a silly theme.Anyways,Im hoping for some dj's who may want to play a bit of melody rather than all that banging stuff we have had to put up with lately.It is actually quite annoying hearing one track of computerised noises after another without any vocal content.It takes the heart and soul out of a dance party,in my opinion.
Heart n Soul - Sat Jul 15 13:20:21 2000
I'm gonna get in big trouble for saying this,but,it IS my opinion.Capital Q say MG are bringing out an international DJ for Sleaze.Why ? Isnt there enough talent in this city to do our own party ? And before you guys and gals start accusing me of this n that,the answer to your question is NO.What is the question ? Are you a DJ ? I just happen to know a few of the excellent talent that are sydney dj's and I know they all feel a bit put out when MG go looking outside of sydney for these events.Sydney Dj's work in this city all year,they in my opinion should reap the rewards of being considered for the parties in the city that they work in throughout the year. Now i have just had my say,and i am expecting a whole heap of rednecks to come back screeming abuse at me.
In support of local talent - Sat Jul 15 13:32:39 2000
Oh let me say to Panther what a fantastic colour this wall is.I love it.(and no,im not be sarcastic),it really is kool !!
What do you call this,deep red brown ??? - Sat Jul 15 15:09:58 2000
Sleaze Ball 2OOO.....119 days to go
Sat Jul 15 18:05:11 2000
Dear In Support of local Talent, Hey ... I agree with you! Why spend a fortune going overseas for DJs when there are plenty of very good ones here! Mind you, I do not know the exact process that goes on for selecting DJs, but I have noticed that SGLMG have been advertsing for some weeks for DJs for Sleaze - so if local DJs don't send in demo tapes, then they only have themselves to blame for not being hired for the job. This does beg the question though ... do international DJs still need to send in a demo tape before being selected?
Enjoys the music and just wants to have a good time! - Sat Jul 15 21:16:42 2000
i can understand your concerns for our local dj talent, but maybe a little bit of knowledge will help alleviate your worries. actually no dj HAS to submit a tape, but it does help in the choice processes. just remember this - SGLMG has over the years begun the careers of most of our newer local dj's - luke leal being one of them. the other point worth mentioning is how do you know it is a "fortune" being paid to these international dj's? (you would be surprised). another point is this - our parties are of an international standard, so of course international dj's are wanting to play at them for the experience and prestige and of course the fun. i love the colour of this wall as well - terracotta goes with most things...
party on and on - Sat Jul 15 22:55:12 2000
How come at Sleaze if you are overweight or grey haired you get ignored but the moment you walk into the gents you can be ugly as sin and you get groped? Also why is it that some muscle boys leave the party with sad looks from not picking up while the plain janes have smiles on their faces?
Perplexed - Sun Jul 16 14:28:26 2000
Susan M for sure
Mon Jul 17 7:28:10 2000
Oh yeah right. Not David K for sure? Again again again again. Oh and by the way, Madonna is definitely confirmed too.
Mon Jul 17 13:14:31 2000
Danny Tenaglia in the Hordern
Jack Yo Body - Mon Jul 17 13:58:07 2000
A graffiti wall - 4 months out from a party. Is that some sort of a record?
Mon Jul 17 16:00:26 2000
It's to confuse us. By the time the party happens there will be so many conflicting 'confirmed' rumours, no one will have any clue what's really going to happen. Very clever strategy.
EC - Mon Jul 17 17:16:33 2000
Well I have it confirmed from MG office.DJ Selection is tomorrow night Tuesday 18 July.The number of submissions totalled a massive 90 or so.My god,every Joe blow playing blue light discos and RSL clubs in the suburbs must have had a hack at it cause god only knows we dont have half that many DJ's of reasonable standing in the scene!! With so many submissions to consider its little wonder they always Fu*k up the DJ selection,poor babies just get confused with all those cd's and tapes and probably lose interest after they have heard the 1st six or seven tapes,and end up bypassing some of the better submissions.Oh well at least MG must be happy,they now have 90 or so new tapes and cd's to keep their car stereos and walkmans in active use for many months to come.I Knew there was an alteria motive to asking for DJ's to submit a music demo rather than just go listen to the DJ play live at his or her venue!!!
Please MG get it right for Sleaze.....oh,i also support the above posting re the subject supporting local dj talent - Mon Jul 17 18:26:57 2000
sveta followed by danny tenaglia
i've been praying. - Mon Jul 17 19:17:37 2000
That's ULterior motive. And what a cynical suggestion, but hardly surprising given the endless parade of Mardi Gras conspiracy theories obver the years.
Mon Jul 17 21:07:54 2000
This red is awful - Panther, I'm gonna sue if you blow my monitor.
lovin' it - Mon Jul 17 21:17:49 2000
Lovin' It, aint you a red hanky kinda guy ? grrrrr
Light Blue Hanky, left pocket - Tue Jul 18 0:19:09 2000
Hey there party peoples! What date is Sleaze on, have the tickets been sold yet, and is kd gonna be there?????
Tue Jul 18 0:40:02 2000
mandy-sveta then danny tenaglia
Tue Jul 18 11:10:16 2000
LBH - maybe you can blow more than just my monitor, and I suspect that you work under another psuedonymn too. Hmmm.
lovin' it - Tue Jul 18 13:37:23 2000
mandy - mark murphy - nick warren :-)
Tue Jul 18 13:59:01 2000
Sleaze 2000 degrees...finally puts the sleaze back where it should be...I fully support MG in its move to bring in an international DJ. It is a party of a high standard that is recognised world wide and an international guest would help promote this. The appeal of the party would also be broadened for younger gays & lesbians, many of which have chosen in the past to go other parties in place of sleaze to hear their favourite international DJs (its a generational thing). Finally, local DJs can only benefit from playing along side teh likes of a Nick Warren or Danny Tanaglia. It would help give them a bit more international exposure.
5:55 - Tue Jul 18 16:57:50 2000
Well ladies and gentlemen,tonight is the night.Who will be the lucky souls to get the call from Glenn Horder and Co tonight.To be frank I think it will be a very bland DJ selection.This committee shows no balls at all when it comes to DJ selection,and its been quite a while since the majority of punters have been happy with a Party DJ line up.
In anticipation but expecting to be disappointed - Tue Jul 18 17:44:00 2000
Please, a majority has not been happy with the music since dance music started to move on from singalong songs with a disco beat. There was a time (long long ago in a galaxy far far away) when no one even cared about which DJs were playing what music at Mardi Gras. There was so little choice you were bound to hear your favourite at some stage of the night. Things have changed vastly and it will never be possible to keep everyone happy, least of all the large number of DJs competing for so few places. But with 3 main pavilions surely it's easy enough to divide the styles roughly into cheesy (fluffy, girly, camp, hand baggy, whatever), hard (trancey, hard house, electro whatever) and funky (garage, funk, tribal et al) and pick the DJs from there. It's worked before and reduced the complaints substantially. It's just a suggestion, don't hit me.
EC - Tue Jul 18 18:17:54 2000
The Party Committee has been given orders to come up with a DJ line up which will help ensure this year's Sleaze is a sellout (MG need the money). Wayne G in RHI will have the greatest pulling power. That's my prediction.
Tue Jul 18 18:49:50 2000
Ah, not sleaze but cheese.
Tue Jul 18 20:17:51 2000
And the results just to hand:
RHI: Dot Dingle, Kate Monroe, Paul Goodyear

Hordern: Paul Goodyear, Dot Dingle, Kate Monroe

Dome: Kate Monroe, Paul Goodyear, Dot Dingle

And a big thank you to all the unsuccessful applicants. We look forward to hearing from you all again next year.
Tue Jul 18 20:47:18 2000
Re The earlier posting about Wayne G.This DJ will not be playing at sleaze.He is unavailable for that particular date and has not submitted.
In The Know - Tue Jul 18 21:38:04 2000
If all the boys on this board who are In The Know were laid end to end I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Tue Jul 18 21:50:16 2000
DJ selection sleaze ball hot of the press:RHI Sean Manley,Stephen Blomfield,Marc Andrews(UK).Hordern Greg Boladian,Luke Leal,Sveta.Dome Steve Sonius,Mandy Rollins,Steve Alkins.Thats all i know at the moment !!
Thats a pretty fair DJ selection - Tue Jul 18 22:08:55 2000
I can dance to Sveta and Mandy Rollins without having to run back and forth between halls this time! Yahooooo!
Tue Jul 18 22:30:20 2000
What a line up and what a relief that there won't be another Sveta/Mandy clash! I just hope that Madonna and Britney won't be performing at the same time in different halls because that will really ruin things (a friend of mine who works for qantas has confirmed that they are both flying out here for Sleaze.)
Wed Jul 19 11:59:31 2000
About bloody time Marc got his cute arse down here.
Love Muscle - Wed Jul 19 12:15:42 2000
Britney has cancelled but La Bouche are confirmed to replace her.
Wed Jul 19 14:32:19 2000
Who the fuc*k is Marc Andrews???? IS this the international superstar DJ promised???? Never heard of him.
Wed Jul 19 16:00:42 2000
Let me get this right, Mardi Gras is deciding DJs in July for a party thats in November? Hello?? I suggest they continue their musical apartheid policy with Anthems/RHI, Progressive/Hordern, & Soul-Garage in the Dome, but could we have some real Chill & Hard&Fast somewhere too? Save money on international artists & DJs & have an even bigger choice between music styles. Peace.
Hard n'Chillin - Wed Jul 19 16:24:11 2000
well, you've heard of him now. are you a dj by any chance?
Wed Jul 19 18:27:10 2000
Oh My God.Who is Marc Andrews ? I'm Laughing so loud,you so desperately need to get out more.Marc Andrews just happens to be a higher profile DJ in the UK than Wayne G,and his music is similar to Wayne as well.Ever heard of "Love Muscle" in London ? Well thats who Marc Andrews is !
Wed Jul 19 18:47:35 2000
Ever heard of 'Love Muscle'...oh...that night at the infamous 'Fridge'in Brixton, didn't that close down nearly 2 years ago?? And I love the comment 'you so desperately need to get out more'- like Brixtons a stone throw away honey!!
Been there..done that.. - Wed Jul 19 19:42:33 2000
to the person claiming to know who the selected dj's were a few postings back, they were not even selected by the time you had posted your message. shame on you
party on and on - Wed Jul 19 19:43:19 2000
are those selections even 100% legit ? where's the official announcement ?
Wed Jul 19 20:09:03 2000
I'll bet the DJ line-up was another of Ula's little jokes. Come out Ula.
Wed Jul 19 20:16:36 2000
Odalee doodalee !! Whens Dolly going to make it out!!
Wed Jul 19 20:26:32 2000
While it would be nice to see Marc Andrews teaming up with Wayne G for the night. Junior Vasquez has won the event as a fore runner for his new club he wants to open in Oz as part of a franchise arrangement.
Has Madonna called yet. - Wed Jul 19 21:48:32 2000
oh please ! I'd choose a different line up than that one. (was that diplomatic enough for you ?)
Ula Sinclair - Wed Jul 19 23:08:05 2000
Hm, still lurkin out there I see Ula? Now tell us your line-up ... ;-)
EC - Wed Jul 19 23:56:10 2000
in the *RHI*: all live acts, no DJs. acts t.b.c. are Bardot, The Geoff Harvey Midday Orchestra, Karen Finley, Underworld, Marilyn Manson, Liberace, Bootsy Collins, Ike Turner, Biftek, Dead or Alive, George Michael. *Hordern* cant remember, but he's fat & from NYC. *Dome* a Roland 303 & a small monkey to turn the knobs back & forth. *Mens Tent* DJ Ryan Idol *Laydeez Tent* Kate Monroe (oh stop it !)
Ula Sinclair (& I'm sorry for that nasty Pride NYE incident) - Thu Jul 20 0:54:54 2000
hmmm, is Ula trying to tell us something ? subtle darling, really subtle : )
Tales From The Cryptic - Thu Jul 20 12:10:49 2000
Now that was funny. What was the NYE incident though?
Thu Jul 20 13:56:42 2000
Ula "announced" the DJ line up for Pride, but it wasnt true & a few DJs got excited/upset to see their names on the bogus list.
Chiclet - Thu Jul 20 18:24:18 2000
What about Mark Murphy? Please please don't ignore him this time.
TW - Thu Jul 20 21:36:46 2000
ok, I'll put Mark Murphy in the Hordern with the Fat Yank. any other requests ?
Ula Sinclair - Fri Jul 21 1:10:12 2000
While chatting to some clubheads to the UK, I asked who was Marc Andrews. They didn't know. So what if he was resident at Love Muscle. It would be a little bit like using Paul Goodyear (SYD) at London Pride.
Fri Jul 21 7:56:02 2000
Oh don't be so f***ing territorial. If you were doing it for free you might have something to complain about. Since the DJs are paid, you don't. Mardi Gras can employ who it wants to employ. I find it hard to imagine DJs in London and New York or even bloody Melbourne and Adelaide being so precious. It's a job. You're good at it or you're not. No one owes you a living or a set at Sleaze. Grrr.
EC - Fri Jul 21 10:08:00 2000
Junior Junior Junior
Fri Jul 21 10:10:24 2000
Personal abuse deleted.
A history of Sleaze Ball profitability. 1994 $549025 1995 $594419 1996 $507128 1997 $628579 1998 $420950 1999 $289796 2000 ?. Guys & gals we need to get behind this party.
Fri Jul 21 12:10:50 2000
Well if they stuck to local talent instead of forking out large sums of money on overseas Shows and DJ's then maybe the profit margin would be healthier
Serves Themselves Right - Fri Jul 21 15:00:49 2000
Just a word of warning to all my friends out there. I have decided this year not to have vertical sex at Sleaze. I know it will cum as a shock to most of you.
Getting horizontal this time - Fri Jul 21 15:13:52 2000
dear "serves themselves right" how do you know the they pay overseas dj's and shows large sums of money. are you on the committee? are you on the board? no i did not think so. why not check your facts next time or just shut your mouth.
party on and on - Fri Jul 21 15:28:54 2000
to "serves themselves right" how do you know they pay lots of money to overseas acts and dj's? are you on the committee? are you on the board? no i did not think so. how about checking your facts before sprouting off next time
party on and on - Fri Jul 21 15:47:08 2000
that's all good & well, but who knows the **real** DJ line up ?
Chiclet - Fri Jul 21 17:40:35 2000
TW and EC seems to be best buddies (or one and the same).They jump to each others defence so often its scary !
Fri Jul 21 18:30:52 2000
Party on and on.Dont try to fool us.Of course MG pay money to overseas acts and DJ's and Of course its more than what the local acts and DJ's get.This I know for fact ! If we contained all this maxxing out of the MG Visa card with over the top overseas acts and DJ's maybe MG could keep their budget within its credit limit.
Collections Department - Fri Jul 21 18:36:10 2000
Actually I prefer lime to lemon in my drinks. I stand by my comment. I still think most complaints here about Mardi Gras giving spots to DJs from outside Sydney are made by DJs. When Sydney DJs are invited to play in Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide you never hear that sort of carping and bitching. Face it, the majority of punters do not refuse to go to a party because Mardi Gras is not supporting local talent (by having one 'outsider' - if we're to believe the stories). Sorry but TW and I are not one and the same and have never met. It's just that we've both been reading and contributing here so long we've heard every one of these gripes a thousand times. God is not a DJ. Hard as that may be for some of you DJs to believe.
EC - Fri Jul 21 19:09:33 2000
I heard a rumor that some of the OS DJs aren't even G & L!!!
How's that for irony - Fri Jul 21 19:39:35 2000
The last couple of years it has been extra expensive to use the Showgrounds because of all the building work. Hopefully it won't cost as much this year. Maybe the same sex spaces still have to be over the road though because of Fox's "pro-family" policies.
Fri Jul 21 20:12:49 2000
dear collections -i did not say mardi gras do not pay their overseas acts and dj's, i said they do not pay them as much as you obviously think they do. this i know for fact. one day i would be happy to tell you how it all works.
party on and on - Fri Jul 21 20:40:55 2000
Tell us now.
Sat Jul 22 8:25:17 2000
yes i agree.Tell us NoW or we shall just think you are telling a big whopper of a lie !!
Sat Jul 22 12:15:53 2000
What the hell...you are telling lies.
Sat Jul 22 13:24:26 2000
Which DJ so sure of their own lack of talent is spreading the rumour that 'some' of the 'alleged' OS DJs are not even G&L. Not much irony in bullshit, is there?
Sat Jul 22 14:45:05 2000
Isnt it simply amazing that whenever a negetive comment about DJ's is made everybody jumps to the conclusion that its another DJ bitching.This truly amazes me.Talk about lack of ticker
Not a DJ - Sat Jul 22 14:55:55 2000
John hands EC a glass of lemon and vinegar,meooooow !!
JohnBoy - Sat Jul 22 15:11:41 2000
I'm not a DJ - I'm a cabaret singer who knows how much the success of my career depends upon people assuming I am gay when in reality I am not.
Sat Jul 22 16:40:42 2000
Shame on you,you pretend gay boy you.Total shame on you.Get out of here you nasty str8 piece of work :) (Please see the humour here) !!
Sat Jul 22 18:56:04 2000
yeah, i was just wondering.....last year i saw in some gay newspaper advertisements for people to try out for being a dancer for sleaze and i decided not to try out but instead look to see what they do (as it was my first time) and now that i know what they do i have been looking in the papers and as of yet have not seen any such ads. am i too late? does anyone know? or are they still not out yet? i really want to be in it this year as last year looked fantastic.
eagerly awaiting response - Sat Jul 22 21:26:48 2000
trials for dancers in the shows will probably be in august but more than likely september
Sat Jul 22 21:44:46 2000
Mardi Gras doesnt care if you're gay to perform at the party. (Jimmy, Dannii, D:ream, Shirley ect..) Its all about connections sweetie. And forget new Aussie DJs getting ago - we have to copy overseas for our overseas guests
Whats Zoba got for us this year? - Sun Jul 23 1:38:11 2000
if you bother to check your facts (o great one) you will see that mardi gras has been the "big break" for just about all the local gay and lesbian dj's. some of you people are just so bitter and twisted it scares me.
party on and on - Sun Jul 23 7:08:50 2000
I don't know why MG doesn't listen to it's members when they are calling out for the majority of the DJs to be Gbtl local talent. It's not like there isn't enough talent around in australia to fill all the slots.
"sydney" "Gay" and lesbian MG - not "OS" "straight and expesive" MG - Sun Jul 23 9:18:56 2000
Those who think the opinion of the whingers on this board reflects the wishes of the members are truely egotistical.
Sun Jul 23 11:21:39 2000
Why do DJs & performers have to be G or L? Imagine if the straight world rejected G&L participants in their activities. We would be back to square one.
5:55 - Sun Jul 23 12:30:35 2000
in reply to the message dated "Tue Jul 18 22:08:55 2000" - this message is 100% untrue. selections havent been made yet. to the person that wants to dance at the party, keep your eye out for the ad in the paper that will apear later in the year.
the Fat Lady - Sun Jul 23 14:18:18 2000
Even if the party committee has made its Sleaze DJ selection already, it then has to contact the DJs concerned and sort a few things out with them. MG don't usually make an announcement until the whole DJ line-up is conformed. Re straight OS DJs playing at previous parties: yes, you are correct. Victor Calderone is straight. But so what. So is Paul Goodyear. The fact is, Victor Calderone, like Goodyear, plays predominently at gay clubs and parties in the US. Do the same people who bitch about staright DJs playing also bitch about straight performers?
TW (who is not EC) - Sun Jul 23 15:29:10 2000
thanks to those people who replied to my asking about dancing at sleaze. especially fat lady. i will keep an eye out and am keeping fingers crossed that i wont miss it !!!!
Sun Jul 23 16:28:47 2000
5:55 - Sun Jul 23 12:30:35 2000 - but you see this does happen all the time in the str8 world. I'm not saying you should treat str8 DJs with disrespect, but abit of affirmative action would be nice. Especially if OS DJs are being paid vastly bigger amounts of money compared to local DJs. Firstly the local DJs are being ripped off and secondly and more importantly the membership is being is getting a bad deal. The parties are fundraisers. The lower the expenditure for DJs, lighting etc, the higher the profit margin. Now you can't tell me that the DJ line up will make an iota of difference as to the rate of ticket sales for MG. Sleaze possibly, MG never.
A bigger profit margin for the membership please - Sun Jul 23 17:28:02 2000
TW (who is not EC) - Sun Jul 23 15:29:10 2000 - Dunni, Dunni, Dunni.
Yes we bitch about the performers as well - Sun Jul 23 17:30:09 2000
well i can see that this sleaze ball party wall is gonna be long, drawn out and very controversial.Whats new ? I LUV it !!!
Sun Jul 23 22:30:51 2000
Mardi Gras policy is to favour gay over straight djs, in all except the most exceptional cases, and local ( as in Australian) over International djs with similarly affirmative fervour. And even the most cursory examination of recent line -ups will confirm this fact. As for performers- these are dance parties- the pool of ' Australian-out-gay-live-dance-talent' is relatively small and the community, for all its good intentions, still expects Mardi Gras & Sleaze shows to be galaxy class. And to be made out of paper mache & good ol' ingenuity.But, really,we don't care if Madonna is a lesbian , we just wanna know when she's doing a party, and we don't care if she costs us the GNP of several nearby Pacific nations,we just want to know when this actually is going to happen so we can actually, like ,shop accordingly. And ultimately,all this brouhaha about who plays & who performs and where they're from, and with whom they orgasm, will pale into the most pastel of inconsequentialities, alongside the more telling factors of how are the current pills & did I meet someone with whom I can have sex soon? But God bless us all for just trying to be so Dick Smith Aussie brand-conscious. Peace.
Hard 'n Chillin - Mon Jul 24 0:27:03 2000
could somebody please get "Hard n Chillin" a publisher.His literary feats are simply going to waste on this board.
yawn - Mon Jul 24 12:04:55 2000
If the expenditure on MG parties was to be lowered, the quaility of the parties would be comprimised & this would affect ticket sales. The best way to increase the profit margin is for our community to get behind the party & buy a ticket. Numbers have been in a steady decline over the past few years and if sleaze is not making enough money then maybe teh board need to consider the structure of the party, perhaps even shrinking the size to say 8000 - 10000.
5:55 - Mon Jul 24 16:40:03 2000
MG has always sold out. They will never make any more money on MG unless they increase ticket prices (which they've done) or decrease expenditure. But agreed for Sleaze - smaller would probably be better.
Mon Jul 24 17:20:26 2000
Remember 1995 Sleaze. Please don't spend less.
Mon Jul 24 17:24:25 2000
Nah we don't enjoy the festival at all.
I've never read the commitment statement on my mebership application - Mon Jul 24 17:30:24 2000
David Smith, Seymour Butz, Mark Murphy. Give these lads a break MG. Just once.
Mon Jul 24 19:43:54 2000
I would give David Smith a break alright.All he has to do is have my love child !!!
Mon Jul 24 20:13:07 2000
Stella gave David a "break" behind the DJ box in the Beauchamp
I Spit - Mon Jul 24 20:55:10 2000
Too many DJs and not enough indians ...
Tue Jul 25 20:54:57 2000
Im an indian.Please pass the daal and a bowl of butter chicken
Wed Jul 26 0:48:44 2000
Indian was the theme for last Sleaze
Wed Jul 26 12:04:59 2000
Maybe less funding for that stupid festival would ensure the parties would be funded . . . .I mean who really goes to any festival events?
Oh Dear - Wed Jul 26 13:00:12 2000
i agree, the festival looses huge amounts of money each year, yet it is heralded as a success. maybe the festival staff could feature events which are not aimed at such a niche market, but try and aim for a broader g&l audience therefore selling more tickets and therefore making more money
Wed Jul 26 13:37:03 2000
Eskimo Lesbian Folk Songs at the Semour Centre. $49 + booking fee
Panties - Wed Jul 26 16:20:20 2000
According to the Mardi Gras Annual Report about 250,000 people attended festival events - free and paid. Ten times the number that attend the Party.
Reality Check - Wed Jul 26 17:34:35 2000
Imagine Sydney without the Festival Launch on the steps of the Opera House!
Wed Jul 26 17:37:59 2000
I'm sure that the number of tickets combined would be 250,000. I dont think it was 250,000 individuals.
Reality Cheque - Wed Jul 26 17:48:30 2000
I like the themes for this years party and I hope the party organisers follow thru with the extreme theme - the party has been too soft for too long.
Wed Jul 26 17:50:05 2000
Is Reality Check attempting to infer that Festival is more popular than the Party? I think our festive girlfriend needs to get a rather firmer grip.If it's so bloody popular why can't it even break even? Masses of people end up going to free, and paid,Festival and non Festival, MG and non MG, events in the weeks leading up to 2 things : Parade & Party. Thats what people come from overseas & interstate to attend. And while I agree that the Festival Launch on the steps is a highlight of the year, it, like Parade doesn't make an actual brass razoo in profit which means the good ol' financial backbone of the organisation, the Party,ends up with another, albeit loveable,mouth to feed. I acknowledge the importance of a Festival in the Mardi Gras equation but when its supporters attempt to imply it is somehow more 'popular' than Party, while it still can't even pay for itself, I'd suggest dollars rather than attendance as the more pertinent guage of popularity.
~!@#$%^ - Wed Jul 26 20:46:32 2000
Some of this discussion belongs on the SGLMG wall.
Panther - Wed Jul 26 21:53:47 2000
DJ Selection for sleaze ball has been stalled.The meeting of 18/7 could not come to an agreement on the final selection.More meetings have been scheduled and the final choise is hoped to be available by August 4.It must be finalised by then because for the 1st time in many years the DJ names are being put on the poster which NoW explains why they called for submissions so early.
It all now makes perfect sense - Wed Jul 26 22:25:02 2000
OMG OMG OMG OMG , Not one single posting on thursday 27.7.00.What happened ???
Fri Jul 28 2:14:05 2000
whats wrong Sydney ? Not one comment for nearly 48 hours on this board except for the last one which me as well.Silence is golden (but not forever)
Fri Jul 28 21:46:30 2000
well since nobody wants to talk about sleaze ball,i shall take it upon myself to pick the DJ's.Is that alright by you guys ?
I am the DJ picker - Sat Jul 29 11:55:05 2000
do what you like. nobody cares anymore.
mr panties - Sat Jul 29 12:52:12 2000
panties.go back where you belong.Try the delta quadrant local RSL,you might enjoy it there.Be sure to order a replicator serve of T-Bobe steak n chips.Yummy.
Sat Jul 29 13:27:07 2000
I am the DJ picker - Sat Jul 29 11:55:05 2000 - Sleaze tickets must be going well if you have graced us with your prescence on the board here.
we ***have*** been talking about DJ selection. We took a few days out to make you worried that we are no longer interested in sleaze. (closer to the truth that a joke actually) And to get you to listen to us, because when it comes down to it, ticket sales count for a hell of alot.
I am now the nose picker - Sat Jul 29 16:54:43 2000
dj's have been chosen, just not confirmed yet - those international contracts take a lot of time to organise.
Sun Jul 30 9:59:42 2000
what is everyone going to wear to "sleaze 2000 degrees"? not much i hope...
Shaerin Magoodies - Sun Jul 30 10:10:57 2000
Re two posts back,All the more reason to scrap international DJ's altogether.Nasty contracts,red tape,alledged "name" overseas DJ's bringing their holyier than though "Im better than you" attitude not to mentioned the extra cost to Mardi Gras in air fares,accomodation and the higher rate of fee that is paid to "On Demand".I will say that Wayne G didnt fall into this category.Its widely known he was coming here for a holiday and paoid his own air fare and was paid the same rate as local DJ's.If an overseas DJ does this (pay his own way And accepts the same fee as locals) then and **OnLY** then is it acceptable.Please dont try to tell me that Calderone at MG 2000 paid his own way and was paid the same as locals.Anyone trying to tell me that is a lier.Furthermore,I think MG has a right to divuldge in its financial report how much it costs to bring and pay overseas DJ's **AnD** also overseas show performers.WE the membership deserve to know if we are getting value for money.But I digress.....What is so damn good about ***AnY*** overseas DJ currently in the world that cant be pulled off by one of Sydneys (or even an interstate DJ) ? I've travelled the world and I can confidently say Sydney has the finest collection of DJ's in the world that can cover all spectrums of music from handbag to progressive to any other style that could be called upon.Why waste valuable time and more importantly money on Dj's with bad attitude demanding this n that and hiked up fees when the locals could do it just as good if not better.PS,as critisism of DJ's tend to result in responces to postings labelling me as a disgruntled DJ let me state now,that No i'm not a DJ but I do know what I'm talking about having worked at MG and holding a position there in the past few years.
In support of keeping the MG budget in check but cutting back on over the top expenses - Sun Jul 30 12:11:04 2000
in response the the above lets work through some of comments... - none of the imported dj's have ever given a holier than thou attitude, most (if not all) have been very gracious and accommodating, as was Wayne G - mardi gras gets contra airfares for imported acts so there is no direct budgetary cost and accommodation costs are usually for one or two nights, so hardly a "budget breaker" - your comment regarding value for money is valid, But when you consider mardi gras offer four high standard shows, eight differing dance areas, the highest standard of lasers and lighting in Australia and 15 dj'sfor $100 and other parties offer one or at best two dance areas and one show for $65+ it is not hard to see the value for money. I think the fact that most people stay till the end of the party and have a good time also show a good represention of value for money. - lets talk about local talent. while i agree there is much local dj talent, there is many more who do not make the grade. i am sure you would agree the preference is for a dj who can mix and play good music to be at a party rather than a local dj who is not there yet in terms of ability. i have said it before and i will say it again - mardi gras has over the years been the big kickstart for many of the local dj talent and they have a policy of including a relative unknown for their parties. and finally - the only over the top expense is on safety and security. both of which have to be adhered to to make the party a law abiding operation. i hope you have a good time at sleaze...
Shaerin Magoodies - Sun Jul 30 14:53:23 2000
Dear Shaerin Magoodies.So If I wanted to know if i am getting value for money re the amount of money paid to oversaes DJ's and Overseas artist for shows are you trying to say that I would be allowed access to that information ? What I am trying to say is that I would like to know what the financial "deal" with Victor Calderone was.As a financial member of MG I think I'm entitled to be the judge of whether my membership money and my party ticket price is value for money.Now picture this...I stand up at the AGM and ask the treasurer to disclose the financial "deal" with Victor Calderone or any other international DJ or act.Do you think for one second that I am gonna have this information allowed to me.Get real !! MG's non-disclosure policy hides from its members the way in which MG frivells away money like they had an unlimited blank cheque book.Thats why i am against bringing in overseas Dj's,because we the members have no access to know how "OUR" money is being dealt with.
spend spend spend and dont tell mumma - Sun Jul 30 16:59:48 2000
please dont fudge last yeah with sveta and an International that can actually mix. Use locals Horder - your accouatable to nurturing this community.
Sun Jul 30 17:34:06 2000
in English it's "dont fudge it like last year" I guess
lol - Sun Jul 30 17:35:58 2000
Is Sydney the Disgruntled My-Tape-Was-Rejected DJ capital of the world?
Sun Jul 30 21:17:13 2000
See what i mean ??? I refer to the last posting.GEt A Life mate !!! Not everyone who critises on this board is a DJ.I wouldnt know one song title to the next but everytime i post something about music and DJ's and selecting Dj's i get accused of being a DJ.Well im Not.And you should put a sock in ya mouth and hide in the corner.Tosser !!
Annoyed because people try to censor my right to free speech - Sun Jul 30 21:32:11 2000
spend spend spend - I suggest that you ask this question with notice at the AGM. If you do not get a satisfactory answer then move a motion that the treasurer in future will report such matters to the membership and many not to sign secret deals. It is very likely that such a motion will be carried.
Sun Jul 30 23:00:33 2000
Annoyed because people try to censor my right to free speech - when where how why whom?
Mon Jul 31 2:31:01 2000
When people continually say that someone is a DJ just because they criticise the DJ lineup at an event, that is attempting to stifle free speech. I am sure some of the people who complain are DJs, but not all. To the people who complain - at Sleaze there are at least 3 halls. If you don't like 1 or 2 of the DJs then go to another hall. And remember that someone else probably does like that DJ.
Panther - Mon Jul 31 8:42:18 2000
Dear Panther - totally agree. 3 Halls luv's so if you don't like the DJ playing take a walk to the other Halls and have a listen. Will all the different types of music it is hard to cover them all and they DO do a great job. You cannot expect to be in your favourite Hall and also expect all the DJ's to play what you like in the one Hall. Have been going for 15 years and have had great dances just by moving around if the music didn't suit us and fantastic memories from all of the Halls. Try moving around next time and you might like it.
C - Mon Jul 31 11:53:54 2000
I would have thought that stifling free speech was removing or editing posts, not disagreeing with people. After all, if their comments are still here, then they have freely expressed themselves. Interesting.
EC - Mon Jul 31 13:09:51 2000
I agree with EC, but with a bit more sarcasm.
Panties, Mr - Mon Jul 31 16:39:55 2000
If value for money is such a big issue - just get rid of the DJ's. A couple of aerobics compilations would do the trick in the RHI. Throw on a Renaissance or Global Underground in the Hordern and anything in leather in the Dome. But for my money - I'm happy to pay for the music - but axe the S Club 7 dance routine shows.
lovin' it - Mon Jul 31 17:37:16 2000
Heck, a videoclip of Dannii miming would do for one of the shows ...
Mon Jul 31 19:40:53 2000
The problem with giving out information about how much international djs or performers get is that MG often gets a special deal due to its profile, its market and its not-for- profit-status.Releasing those figures simply lowers the market-value of performers who have done us a favour, and often there are non-disclosure agreements in place guaranteeing that confidentiality. If you really, really want to know how much anything costs - do the math. Entertainment budgets for MG parties are a matter of public record.Local DJs cost $250 an hour, professional choreographers,dancers and performers work for rate,(look it up, stupid) costumes are less than you'd think, show effects cost more than you'd think, and whatevers left is the terrifying figure you seek. Like a couple grand.Yawn.We make a Rolls Royce out of paddle pop sticks and you want to know why it can't be cheaper?Hello?
Do the Math - Tue Aug 1 0:59:08 2000
Its a stock answer for MG to say that anyone doesn't like them is a rejected DJ - How easy. Very dictatorial no? On a brighter note, while every 2nd queen works on the 5ringed circus, Ministry of Sound will take over the old showgrounds the original weekend of Sleaze ball. Expect major uk dj action plus local signing to the Ministry label Stephen Allkins (congrats Steve!) plus a health mix of the citys djs (No cocktail swigging needed dj's - talent and experience only needed!) Sleaze will be on in November - with the dyke space now featuring live bands (that the boys aint allowed to see - thanks!). Anyway, will be interesting who will get a gig with "extremes" being bandied about. Mark Murphy, Lanny K, Friendly, Biftek, dj Gemma maybe?? No, try a mixture of Arq and Midnight Shift djs... There's the juice.
walls have ears, drunks have tounges - Tue Aug 1 1:44:24 2000
Drunks can't spell tongues though.Given there are only 9-12 places for djs, that is a lot of room for disappointment among the bitchier-than-hairdressers-sorority of wannabe djs."Live bands the boys wont see" indicate your ears are rather closer to your rectum than the facts, ma'am.Nice try.How many fingers am I holding up?
Math - Tue Aug 1 2:26:54 2000
Five?
Walls n ears n drunks n tungs - Tue Aug 1 2:30:25 2000
No, not how many fingers has someone got... oh forget it. The answer was one.It's sign language for casual contempt.
Math - Tue Aug 1 2:36:51 2000
Yawn...more stock answers from the the sacred cow. Don't you know "walls have ears" that free speech, in dissent, ain't allowed? "Math" and his office cronies will never allow that... Even using creative quotation while dissing your spelling! Very Daily Telegraph. Very Fox corp. Very Mardi Gras
oh thats right, they're one in the same now! - Tue Aug 1 3:00:52 2000
There's a point there, somewhere...Is it a conspiracy against illiteracy? God forbid! Big Things, Bad Things, Mean People & Office Workers are unquestionably ganging up against you in some hellish union to keep your pathetic whining to a dull screech...
Lachlan Murdoch - Tue Aug 1 3:19:46 2000
shouldnt the last five or six postings being on the SGLMG wall??I dont see much to do about sleaze here.
Tue Aug 1 9:59:29 2000
Sacred Cow! Now thats the perfect title for 'em! My money is on extreme being an extreme misnomer. But remember the ol' saying "There is always Mardi Gras next year." Heard that one before.... See you at Ministry on the real Sleaze ball weekend.
Tue Aug 1 12:42:44 2000
So if it's all so bad and Mardi Gras are so evil, why do you so desperately want to play there? Oops, silly me, assuming the people being ripped off by a community organisation at a mere $250 an hours are DJs.
Tue Aug 1 13:13:24 2000
Susan's flight has been booked.
Tue Aug 1 13:36:04 2000
Filthy Filthy sarcasim.When will you people learn that not everyone talking about DJ's on this board is a DJ ? Get over it @%$$#$@@@$@!@@!@%^
a DJ not - Tue Aug 1 14:22:26 2000
Susan Harben? Is she performing at Sleaze?
Tue Aug 1 16:01:09 2000
In support of local talent - Sat Jul 15 13:32:39 2000 The International DJ's play much better music for the International tourists. Glenn is getting some very big names for us to winge about. So save your made in Australia Speach for some other time. I guess the best of the local jocks will allready be chosen, and you haven't been included.
you little ripper - Tue Aug 1 16:02:52 2000
you little ripper,fool that you are.If you had taken the time to read thru my posting (which you clearly havent) then you would see that im not a DJ,but an ex office bearer at MG.Next time you wanna crap on get your facts straight.
in support of.....yeah yeah !!! - Tue Aug 1 16:22:50 2000
There is a David in the DJ line up. That's all I know.
Tue Aug 1 16:47:09 2000
Wilkins?
Tue Aug 1 19:22:10 2000
Who is it that is obsessed with Susan Morobito (sp?) and David Knapp playing a Mardi Gras party? They are meaningless names to Aussies unless you happen to read these boards.
Tue Aug 1 19:38:36 2000
Dave (id) Seaman? Great music (Rennaisance)and a somewhat appropriate name. Oh, Susan Harben has been appearing at every Sleaze and Mardi Gras this side of 1996!
Mark and I'm .... - Tue Aug 1 21:47:47 2000
Well well Mark, long time no see. Must be a Sleaze party cummin up. Now Dave Seaman, there's a DJ I'd be happy to party to.
EC - Tue Aug 1 22:53:45 2000
A david...aka Baby Bear???
Wed Aug 2 7:34:40 2000
The DJ line up will probably not be announced till after the AGM.
A matter of etiquette - Wed Aug 2 11:10:22 2000
So what's Susan Harben doing these days.
Wed Aug 2 11:12:26 2000
DJ line up not being announced till after the AGM.Yeah riiiite,thats only to save their own sad backsides.Its easier to announce a dodgy DJ line up after you have just been voted back in for another 12 months rather than before an election.
Nasty Politics - Wed Aug 2 12:59:11 2000
Ministry on the real Sleaze weekend ? when / where please ?
Wed Aug 2 14:12:48 2000
to nasty politics - how do you know the dj lineup is not being announced till after the agm? yes that's right you don't know... surprise surprise yet another attention seeking queen bearing false and ignorant information. do us all a favour and go check your facts next time before you sprout off ...
Shaerin Magoodies - Wed Aug 2 15:27:57 2000
The endless conspiracy theories on the evil DJ-eating Mardi Gras monster. How Sesame Street. On the Ministry tour, it seems odd that such a big event is allowed at Fox studios when the reason Sleaze had to be moved is because no such events were supposed to be held during the olympics. Or did they mean just no gay events?
EC - Wed Aug 2 17:37:09 2000
drag queens on roheys, twinks on acid, muscle marys on ghb, leather queens on viagra, dykes on ketamine, all walking to recoveries at 9am sunday morning? S.O.C.O.G wont have a bar of that.
panties - Wed Aug 2 22:09:11 2000
The people who do big events are, unsurprisingly ,booked during the Olympics. That's producers, directors, coordinators,djs, technical crews, caterers, security, cleaners etc. The people who are left unemployed during this incredibly busy, well paid period,are, thankfully, available to work on things like Ministry!
Math - Thu Aug 3 1:21:34 2000
DJ line up for Sleaze Ball 2000: (RHI) In order of playing,Jake Kilby,Overseas DJ yet to be confirmed,Greg Boladian. (Hordern) Annabelle Gasper,Overseas DJ yet to be confirmed,Sveta. (Dome) Luke Leal,Mark Murphy,Baby Bear (Is this an Ice Party or SleazeBall ???).There you have it.Now comes all the bitching !!!
sleaze ball 2000 - Thu Aug 3 12:53:50 2000
sleaze ball 2000's posting: Are you serious? Is this an official posting? Mardi Gras or Party Director deny or confirm please!!
Oh Dear - Thu Aug 3 14:04:47 2000
if that is the official selection then i am ready to get going to sleaze. it appears they have tried to make just about everybody happy - including the endless supply of whingers. thanks to glenn and crew.
Thu Aug 3 14:50:06 2000
The sleaze dj posting is Spot On ! What you see is indeed the line up for the party.I know this because it has been told to me by one of the DJ's who has been picked.
Read it and weep !!!! - Thu Aug 3 14:50:29 2000
that DJ line up is hillarious ! I wont even start to tell you what is wrong with **that** line up.
Thu Aug 3 16:02:23 2000
Weep!? The line-up looks bloody good to me. The only change I'd make is to replace Annabel with Mandy. Oh please let it be true re Mark. No, I can't wait for an official announcement. I'm off to Reachin Records to ask Mark himself.
Nat (keepin' low) - Thu Aug 3 17:25:36 2000
That line up is fantastic! Just ask anyone who was at ICE a couple of weeks ago. Time for some new dancing shoes and a bed pan, coz I don't wanna miss a minute!
Omigod, and some Tina too! - Thu Aug 3 17:26:55 2000
Correction to the Dome line up - it is Luke Leal, Baby Bear, Mark Murphy in that order a-la ICE.
Thu Aug 3 17:33:08 2000
Luke Leal in Dome ? I'll give this party a miss (no offence luke)
Jack Yo Body - Thu Aug 3 17:35:09 2000
That can't seriously be the line up for Sleaze...I mean what the hell were they thinking??!!
NO, please don't let it be soooooooooooo - Thu Aug 3 17:37:55 2000
The Dome is definately Luke Leal, Baby Bear and Mark Murphy in that order. I am beside myself with joy. I'm off to buy my Sleaze ticket now.
Thu Aug 3 17:42:53 2000
"drag queens on roheys, twinks on acid, muscle marys on ghb, leather queens on viagra, dykes on ketamine" - these are a few of my favourite things Mr Panties. Is that R*E*A*L*L*Y the DJ line-up? Annabelle in the Hordern sounds kinda strange but then I didn't hear her submission I guess. I would have thought Luke Leal, Baby Bear and Mark Murphy should be in the Hordern. Still, here's to progress, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of girlie and camp in the RHI for those already dying a thousand deaths : )
EC - Thu Aug 3 17:50:44 2000
Dome lineup may be moved, intact, to another space, maybe the Hordern, pending ummmm... "developments".
Thu Aug 3 17:56:04 2000
TW throws his arms up in the air and yells for joy. He cartwheels across the room and finishes with a double back flip sommersault. He rushes back to his computer monitor and checks the screen to make sure he's not seeing things. He pauses and looks worried. Could this be another hoax line-up? He wants to believe. Even if the Dome line-up does just copy an ICE party, it doesn't matter; Mark is playing the last set. He also wonders why people are complaining already when they haven't even seen who the international DJs are? Are those whingers just DJ's who missed out? TW thinks that Danny Tenaglia would fit very nicely in the middle set in the Dome between Annabel and Sveta? That would surely please all the deep house lovers. And Marc Andrews would please all the handbag queens by playing the middle set in the RHI, even if most of them in their little suburban bungalows have never heard of him before. Sleaze should be something for all of us to look forward to he thinks. But what does he do to amuse himself in the meantime?
TW - Thu Aug 3 18:42:19 2000
The copyright owners of the "Dome" line up are very pleased indeed! The space is going to be wild!! There will be marching to and fro and Sveta space wethinks! Please let there be lasers in the "Dome"!
Ear to Ear - Thu Aug 3 19:36:21 2000
Hi EC, I sort of made a promise not to get into pinkboard until right near Sleaze (why - I can't even remember!)but have been dropping in and reading regularly for the last month or so. I've had to bite my tongue a few times on some of the other walls though in relation to some of the comments thrown around, but hey that's what it's all about. I've been giving Rennaissance a bit of a thrashing on the CD player lately and would love to see Dave Seaman have a set at Sleaze. Purchased "Power Of Love" single a couple of weeks ago and have hardly had that out of the machine as well, but $16 ouch! Hope you are well and have had a good winter.
Mark and I'm ..... - Thu Aug 3 20:35:32 2000
Does this mean there will be no need for a HomoEclectus party on Sleaze night? Apart from many of the punters wanting to see Mark at Sleaze, I'm sure the promoters and DJs would be very keen to see how the mainstream crowd reacts.
Thu Aug 3 21:17:16 2000
give Mardi Gras some credit. would they really have a carbon copy Dj line up from Ice ? nah, I didnt think so either.
the Fat Lady - Thu Aug 3 21:49:55 2000
Why not? Obviously you have never been to one, Fat Lady!
Thu Aug 3 22:05:02 2000
I'm with Fat Lady. Trying to capture the energy of Ice involves a lot more than just the DJ line up. But it will still be the best area! Move it to the Hordern, Glenn!
Thu Aug 3 22:31:39 2000
Whoever was the poster that said the RHI would cater for the mainstream handbag stuff,What were you thinking ????? Neither Kilby or Boladian have been playing mainstream lately and neither from what i hear got picked on a mainstream submission.That leaves us with banging in the dome for MG's interpretation of ICE,underground and banging in the Hordern and progressive in the RHI.So much for catering to all tastes in music when mainstream has been left out !!! Pfttttt !!!
a sad state of affairs (from a non DJ),i thought that should be pointed out :) - Thu Aug 3 22:39:13 2000
once again someone like 'sad state of affairs' is sprouting off without knowing the real facts. people please do us all a favour and at least try and check what you are posting is for real and not just some crap your bitter and twisted mind has made up to get attention...
Shaerin Magoodies - Thu Aug 3 22:49:00 2000
Good to see Alex Taylor who played to 40,000 people in the UK just over 2 months ago playing at str8 clubs now. 2500 people at 'home' night club every Sat night. Talk about an international DJ, talk Alex Taylor! We'll keep him thanks.
Thu Aug 3 22:53:45 2000
Good to see Alex Taylor who played to 40,000 people in the UK just over 2 months ago playing at str8 clubs now. 2500 people at 'home' night club every Sat night. Talk about an international DJ, talk Alex Taylor! We'll keep him thanks.
Thu Aug 3 22:54:24 2000
will the Hordern have tables & chairs for the cocktail music at the start of the night ? I'll have a martini thanks luv.
the what ? - Thu Aug 3 23:38:44 2000
Shaerin Magoodies.everything in my posting IS fact.it is not as you so bitterly say "crap your bitter and twisted mind has made up to get attention".Fact dear.Cold Hard Fact.
sad state of affairs - Thu Aug 3 23:39:35 2000
"Sad State of Affairs" - well you are checking this board on the hour, so you must be twisted! What is your agenda??
Thu Aug 3 23:52:11 2000
i dont have an agenda.im just working away and have left the pinkboard window open on my browser.Whats so evil about that ?
sad state of affairs - Fri Aug 4 0:00:03 2000
...and constantly refreshing? Perhaps this board is affecting your productivity? :) Why would an average partygoer with no agenda want to do that?
Fri Aug 4 0:17:44 2000
"mainstream" music is dead. if you wanna hear it, listen to 2dayfm
Jack Yo Body - Fri Aug 4 0:20:17 2000
Mainstream music isnt dead.All the major music production teams in UK and the USA getting all the remix work are mainstream at the moment.Look at Hex Hector ,Thunderpuss ,Club 69 in the USA.Look at DBop,Trouser Enthusiasts, Sleaze Sisters, Love to Infinity in the UK to name a few.These are the people keeping the dance music scene alive on the dance charts,yet we dont hear much of this music anymore at our parties.Work that out ?
Fri Aug 4 0:44:51 2000
Coz we get it at ARQ on a Saturday night!
Fri Aug 4 1:16:21 2000
Sleeze 2000 posting is correct, and I think it rocks. Well, the RHI definately sounds mainstream and the dome sounds very hard houseish........ I think this party will be great, cant wait to see who the 2 internationals are, there is a lot of talk about Danny Tenaglia.....???? The only thing I dont is the heat factor - as it is the parties are too hot, there is nothing worse than walking into the RHI and being hit by a solid wall of heat........ I hope Mardi Gras think about the heat factor and try to rectify or somehow improve on what could be a fantastic night.
hlg - Fri Aug 4 1:46:00 2000
Mardi Gras wouldnt pay the amount of money that Danny Tenaglia would command. as shitty as I think that is, it's true. Calderone did the party for the prestige. Danny doesnt need any more prestige.
Fri Aug 4 2:16:19 2000
You would hardly be hot with a solid wall of heat with the size of the crowd Sleaze attracts. The Dome is another matter. Calderaone did it for the prestige? Right, he would be a bit of an unknown. Just ask Madonna. Another DJ?
Fri Aug 4 6:52:11 2000
Fri Aug 4 0:17:44 2000 - Average party goers are so passionate about their music and the parties that they could very well do that.
Panther - Fri Aug 4 9:05:57 2000
Re the comment,"Coz we get it at ARQ on a Saturday night!" Fri Aug 4 1:16:21 2000 .If we get this style of music at arq on saturday night and arq is supposed to be the most popular club on the scene then all the more reason to support the argument that that style of music should be presented at the major parties.
it all makes sense,but then again MG committee havent been making sense since their brains imploded - Fri Aug 4 9:46:09 2000
Mr Panties - leather queens on viagra? You can do better than that. Luke Leal in the Dome - anybody could do better than that.
lovin' it - Fri Aug 4 10:41:50 2000
is Dome sponsored by Ice or Fwisky ? can I please have a medium McLeal Meal please ?
Chiclet - Fri Aug 4 11:47:03 2000
What's the matter Chiclet?? hubby not selected?
Fri Aug 4 12:35:36 2000
And the above line up is supposed to attract 15000 punters. Let's hope the 2 international DJs can do the trick - cause I'm sure as hell the local ones won't.
Fri Aug 4 13:35:12 2000
No one here has got the line-up 100% right. Or the venues. Or made any close guesses on the internationals. Closest have been (?) and "it all makes sense" who were, ironically enough, complaining about what we aren't getting!Some crow eating in store me thinks.....
Shhhhhh - Fri Aug 4 13:54:59 2000
So Manny men so little time.
A big clue - Fri Aug 4 14:11:10 2000
who the hell is Susan Morabito ? Hordern = chicksville ?
Fri Aug 4 14:26:15 2000
wow,it would be a first if the hordern was all girl DJ's ! imagine if it was annabelle gasper,then susan M and then sveta. woooo hooooo (sarcasim is my weakest point) !!!
Fri Aug 4 15:30:56 2000
So let me get this str8...Sleaze consists of the following - Ice in the Dome / Frisky in the RHI / Icebox style in the Hordern. Wow! That sounds sooooo original. I remember the good 'ol days when Sleaze/MG weren't just club rip-offs, and they featured an interesting assortment of dj's...this is pre-90's mind you, before the Glenn Horder era. Must have taken the Sleaze party board all of 30 seconds to come up with that line up. There are some really good djs on the Sleaze bill, but honestly, how about some forethought and creativity into the programming.
vaginal wish - Fri Aug 4 16:14:49 2000
the Hordern sounds more Bright'n Up Bar than Icebox
Fri Aug 4 17:52:14 2000
so let me get this right - now that glenn and co have delivered dj's which most people apparently like to dance to, now the big whinge is that they are not original. well maybe instead of whining about it all why not become a dj, then we can all share in your adundant talent and originality...
Ms Shaerin Magoodies - Fri Aug 4 18:04:11 2000
No, just a lot of people who stuffed up the mixes on their tapes bitching again.
Fri Aug 4 18:38:00 2000
go Susan go girl
Sat Aug 5 12:58:26 2000
Calderaone did it for the prestige? Right, try AUD $15,000
Sat Aug 5 13:38:32 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
I Beg Your PArdon ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? If Calderone was paid $15K Australian then somebody must query this decision at the AGM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What an Outrage - Sat Aug 5 13:52:54 2000
If the above figure of 15,000Aud is correct then that means he was paid $2142.85 per hour (or $35.71 per **minute**).This being in excess of a 1000% mark up on the local DJ pay rate.There is not a living soul in tis universe that is worth that figure,and if it is true I so dearly hope that it is exposed to the membership because it just might open a few eyes to the "closed shop/non disclosure" mentality that Mardi Gras has about the way "IT" thinks "OUR" money should be spent.
What an Outrage - Sat Aug 5 13:58:42 2000
once again lots of people quoting figures that are so wrong it is not even funny anymore - do us all a favour and check your information before posting it!!!
Sat Aug 5 15:01:25 2000
The last posting was brought to you by SGLMG.Our slogan "Plausible Deniablity"
Sat Aug 5 15:26:28 2000
Well Wayne G was paid about $200 per hour and was much more successful at the party, however $15000 for a party that size as an experiment which sold lots of tickets to Americans, created a stir and more focus on the party than any local would, it was worthwhile. The fact that VC played at MG will sell tickets to overseas visitors before the next MG line up is even announced. It is the overseas visitors that make the MG party the most successful fund raising event for our community. "Your" money needs to be invested in a business-like manner if it is to make more money for "our" community.
Mara Devlin - Sat Aug 5 15:49:37 2000
i wasnt aware that SGLMG was an investment group.I thought it was meant to be a non-profit organisation !
Sat Aug 5 16:16:19 2000
$15,000 is an outrage when sydney djs are getting payed are getting payed less per hour than what it costs to play one hours worth of music, (60min/5min track = 12 X ('average' vinyl/cd price per unit)$18.00 = $216.00 per hour).
Sat Aug 5 18:08:24 2000
Non profit organisation must be run under the same structure as profit making businesses. They must make use of their assets, maximuise revenues, minimise expenses, take a rational view of risks. MG's assets include goodwill and cash, and $15000 to VC made use of cash to maximise goodwill. As long as the $15000 spent created more than $15000 it is potentially a good investment. Did $1500 people buy MG tickets that otherwise would not have, and will they nextyear? Bet ya they did and will! It may have sold out regardless of VC, but would next year's have? Charities run this way are the most successful and self-sufficient ones.
God, some people are gonna realise who I am! - Sat Aug 5 18:25:44 2000
Sorry, "1500 people", not "$1500 people".
Sat Aug 5 18:27:39 2000
Oh yawn at all this crapping on about how much Calderone was paid. Some of you people have absolutely no idea. i think that $15000 for a international DJ of his standing is reasonanble.
TW - Sat Aug 5 18:56:53 2000
apart from the fact victor was extremely good, he was not paid anywhere near $15000. and judging by the response he got at the end of his set, he was very appreciated by the crowd, which was probably why he was brought out here in the first place...
Sat Aug 5 20:01:58 2000
and who said he got paid that much... it is quite scary to think that intelligent people will read something on this wall and instantly believe it without question. maybe it is the internalised hatred of sglmg that makes you want to believe everything you hear. if so then there is a far more serious problem out there then how much dj's get paid at a party.
Sat Aug 5 20:16:22 2000
The last posting was yet again brought to you by SGLMG.Our slogan "Plausible Deniablity"
Sat Aug 5 23:38:45 2000
internalised hatred of sglmg ??????? - only if we were board members of MG. (which I thankfully am not).
And yes we are concerned about how much an international DJ is paid - as members of MG we are allowed to be concerned about the decisions of the board and how they affect profitability of the organisation. Less money on international DJs means more more for other things that matter ie. the festival. Parties are MG fundraisers remember - they are not MG itself.
Sun Aug 6 2:15:04 2000
For you maybe, but not for a lot of other people. Reality check: most MG members joined to ensure that they could get tikets to the party. For most members, the party is more important than the festival.
TW - Sun Aug 6 9:27:54 2000
Every member signs a commitment statement which MG is aware of. It doesn't matter what the real reason for them joining is. MG has an obligation to listen to the members. Just like we have an obligation to sign the commitment statement in order to be able to renew our memberships.
Sun Aug 6 9:57:12 2000
Gee, you guys are sooooooooo serious.......
Sun Aug 6 11:41:39 2000
Yes, much better to be frivolous at fry your brains just to be able to fit in this high school scene filled with 40 yr olds.
Sun Aug 6 13:32:00 2000
what happened to the music ?
panties - Sun Aug 6 13:46:11 2000
some of the punctuation and grammar on this page is terrible. esp Sun Aug 6 13:32:00 2000
Mrs Crabtree - Sun Aug 6 15:37:39 2000
Congratulations to DJ Jake Kilby on gaining a set at this years Sleaze Ball. Jake has to be the best up & coming DJ in Sydney his Mardi Gras performance at the Fox & Lion was amazing. This guy really knows how to work a crowd... GO JAKE!!!!!!!
#1 FAN - Sun Aug 6 16:58:52 2000
but can he work the track ?
Jack Yo Body - Sun Aug 6 17:08:00 2000
Atlanta Georgia to close Sleaze Ball again! Her performance of missionary man last year was the highlight of the party.
The boys from the Imperial Hotel - Sun Aug 6 17:20:31 2000
TO Jack Yo Body: He sure can work the track....
# 1 fan - Sun Aug 6 17:28:59 2000
Mrs Crabtree - Sun Aug 6 15:37:39 2000 - Bad punctuation...... great come back! Now we're really getting somewhere in this debate
!@#$%^ - Sun Aug 6 18:10:30 2000
Ben Drayton can "work the track" most of the others cannot "work the track"
Chiclet - Mon Aug 7 0:18:45 2000
So, nobody still knows the line-up? What a bunch of losers you all are... Bitching about fees that were never paid, about line-ups that are incorrect, about financial mismanagement that hasn't occurred. This is like an x -file on ketamine. Double yawn.
Cynic - Mon Aug 7 0:59:04 2000
OK...well im gonna spill the beans.The Overseas DJ playing the middle spot in the RHI is American Barry Harris.Now before you all start going "WhO" I will fill you in.Barry Harris is one of the 2 guys behind the current remix production team known as Thunderpuss.If the guy can DJ half as good as his remixes then we could have another "winner" on our hands.I just hope he didnt get offered $15K to do it though ! (Steady girls,Im just joking)
thunderbirds - Mon Aug 7 5:22:20 2000
So whos boyfriend is he?
Mon Aug 7 7:22:22 2000
So.......can we have the actual list of who is DJ'ing ? Please.........
Mon Aug 7 11:57:57 2000
Mon Aug 7 7:22:22 2000 Barry didn't ask for $15,000 something less than US$8,000 plus business class airfares / accommodation i heard. Not bad really considering that Big Name Jocks in the UK and USA normally charge for an event such as the size of Mardi Gras US$20,000 for a four-hour set. Bargain price stop your winging, these talented DJ's deserve every cent. I consider my $100 well spent if I don't have to hear the same sad sounds on the big system. I can pay $17.80O (inc gst) any Saturday night at ArQ. The Dome Line up is sensational but what is it with Lucy doing Hard House, still to trance you do it so much better. On another issue work out this math�s; 18,000 tix @ $100 each = $1.8 Million for this revenue MG could have a talented Diva Not a robo Drag show for a change. Would you agree, somebody that can sing hold a note and not lipsink.
mardi gras member for cleaner bathrooms at Arq, Mr Demestos. - Mon Aug 7 12:54:39 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
Why can't we have Peter Rauhofer instead ???
Mon Aug 7 13:29:48 2000
once again someone not checking their facts - mardi gras are only selling 14 000 tickets to sleaze, get it right next time Mr Domestos.
Shaerin Magoodies - Mon Aug 7 14:46:40 2000
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The last posting was brought to you by Shaerin Magoodies on behalf of SGLMG whose ongoing slogan remains "Plausible Deniablity"
if in doubt deny everything - Mon Aug 7 14:51:52 2000
including that you're a whining DJ?
Mon Aug 7 14:55:44 2000
Pulease........as if that's the official DJ List. Some twisted queen sitting back and laughing at you sad lot. Like some else said earlier, never ever had a problem with the music as quite willing to move from Hall to Hall. Expecting to have your 3 fav DJ's play in your fav Hall will only lead to disappoint. Majority should be local DJ's but nice to have an International guest or two. DJ's like Rob Davis/Brent Nicholls/Alex Taylor have all played overseas parties/clubs. I could just imagine the bitching if some country/club banned Australian DJ's. Ease up on each other luvvies.
xxxx - Mon Aug 7 15:22:13 2000
Barry Harris has been a music junkie all his life in one way or another. He plays guitar, bass and piano, is an artist/songwriter/producer/remixer and club DJ. One who wears many hats! In the past 10 years Harris has (so far) been involved with 42 charting tracks on Billboard's Hot Dance Music "Club Play" and "Maxi -Singles Sales" charts, with 12 going to #1. The DJ career started in Toronto 1983 in the trend-setting gay bars, to the straight clubs and back again. When he moved to LA in early 1998 the DJ career was temporarily put on the backburner to concentrate on remixing, producing and songwriting with Chris Cox under the name Thunderpuss 2000. He's now back in action with New York manager George Dellinger (Manny Lehman, David Knapp, Billy Carroll) and DJ's around the world on weekends including New York's world-renowned club "Twilo." He's also just signed on with 4Play Records to have his first DJ mix compilation "Circuit Series 0.03" to be released October 2000. His latest record is a new club single titled "Beg For It" that was recorded under his own name and released June 2000. He's also collaborated with Pepper Mashay for the new summer anthem "Dive In The Pool." Both tracks are on Nervous Records. The artist/producer/songwriter career began in spring of 1988 with his very first effort "I Beg Your Pardon" by Kon Kan. The song became an international smash charting Top 5 around the world (#3 in the UK and #15 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the US) by spring of 1989. Kon Kan also won the Juno award (Canada's version of the Grammy) for "Best Dance Recording" for that year. In 1998 Barry moved himself and his production company (Beun Productions) to Los Angeles. He currently resides in Los Angeles and works with Chris Cox as Thunderpuss out of Thunderpuss Studios.
Mon Aug 7 15:51:18 2000
Rowena Wallace's bio on This Is Your Life was more interesting than that.
Mrs Crabtree - Mon Aug 7 16:46:57 2000
My prediction - Thunderpuss 2000 will produce next year's MG CD
Tue Aug 8 7:43:04 2000
My prediction - there will be no MG CD next year 'cause it's always middle of the road crap.
Tue Aug 8 12:53:51 2000
You people can't predict what the dj's are going to play at sleaze ball. The wonder of Sydney dj's is that all of them play various different styles for various different venues. To categorise Luke Leal as a trance dj is insulting to him. He has had enormous success with hard house and also with funky shit. To say that the RHI is going to be like Frisky? Only one of the dj's in that hall have played at a frisky, and only once at that. Don't presume what style the dj's are going to play at sleaze ball 'cause you don't know what they put on the demo's that they submitted and you don't know what has been discussed between them and the SGLM party committee. I think there is going to be perfect variations from hall to hall, keeping everybody happy. A great selection of local and overseas talent. The line up rocks!
happy chappie - Tue Aug 8 19:09:11 2000
happy chappie - Tue Aug 8 19:09:11 2000 If I pay $100 for a Party I expect the DJ's to play the style I might already know them for! Really as if I would go and see Kylie do Pink Floyd. Steven Alkins do handbag (as if) Go figure! Please note I am also very happy with the line up, some sections not really keen on, but I expect all these DJ's to play what style they are well known for. We are only buying our tickets now that we finally know who the line up is. Glad to see the usual DJ suspects not selected for a change.
Tue Aug 8 22:29:59 2000
Mon Aug 7 15:51:18 2000 Sean you can Cut n Paste! Well done Girlfriend. Nice Rap, Baz will love this.
Love ya work! Can I have an offical Barry Harris Membership badge with number 002 - Tue Aug 8 22:39:06 2000
party on and on - Fri Jul 21 15:28:54 2000 Facts from Victors Agent in NY. Smarty indeed! Still a reasonable rate me thinks!
Tue Aug 8 22:42:57 2000
"sydney" "Gay" and lesbian MG - not "OS" "straight and expesive" MG - Sun Jul 23 9:18:56 2000 At Least on of the OS DJ's are Gay and not that expensive. We need internationals DJ's cause they help lift the party international status of MG ensuring our festivals future financial existence. Plus we here new music, Plus the added bonus is the local DJ talent get breaks internationally (Look at Robbie Davis always OS in the States doing parties for US promoters) Guess what? The circuit queens ask for him by name! Well done Audrey drag us into the next century kicking n screaming just disregard the STR8 Gay separatist crap and put on the best Sleaze in the Parties History.
a DJ that didn't get selected and who is not bitter! - Tue Aug 8 22:56:00 2000
Shaerin Magoodies - Mon Aug 7 14:46:40 2000 Based on this crowd capacity the funds raised adds up to nearly 1.4 Million based on an average $100.00 ticket price. What happens to all the money, a mate told me that profit is used to fund the festival. I guess this business doesn't change its product line if it's not selling. BTW I am not whining but saying constructive comments that many in the community feel. What most don�t understand is when Madonna sings at some US or UK Gay Pride they don�t have far to travel and they normally do it for free as it�s considered an ego fan attack day out, with entourage. Do you work at the Mardi Gras dream factory? If so please note that disappointment by some DJ�s is different to slanderous bitchiness, which I can never get my head around. Sleaze will be just perfect. Scorching blistering sizzling fiery house music all night long.
Iva not shaerin magoodies, including my Domestos. - Tue Aug 8 23:20:35 2000
The Toilets at ArQ are still dirty!
Domestos on sale at Clancey's for $2.30 inc GST - Tue Aug 8 23:22:02 2000
who is playing in the mens tent ?
I Spit - Wed Aug 9 0:03:14 2000
I think I have a pretty good idea as to what Mark Murphy will play - and I know I'm gonna love it.
TW - Wed Aug 9 8:17:16 2000
dear iva, although i am not an accountant, it appears from the financial statement a lot of the money sglmg makes from its parties gets distributed into administration and staffing costs, rents, parade, festival, parties, community disbursements and so on.
Ms Shaerin Magoodies - Wed Aug 9 8:30:26 2000
dear i spit, there will be no mens or womens tents at sleaze. there will be rhi, hordern, dome and possibly the new "music venue" if fox can get it finnished in time. it has been booked for the olympics but i don't know if it will be ready.
party on and on - Wed Aug 9 8:41:30 2000
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Dear "party on and on".Of *course* there will be no mens and womens tent at sleaze.Why so ? Because Glenn Horder and co have put all those finanacial resources into the 2 overseas DJ's.So now we miss out on the tents to pay the way for not one but two DJ's who are getting a better "deal" than the selected locals (some of which are far more talented).What i cannot get my head around is this.Why do we need TwO O/S DJ's at Sleaze Ball ? I can understand the importance of O/S DJ's for Mardi Gras as this party brings in 1000's of people from different countries.Sleaze Ball attracts little if any overseas tourists,in fact I'd say we get more visitors from interstate than overseas for Sleaze Ball.To me using two O/S DJ's for Sleaze is a waste of time and very much so a waste of money which has cost us the non availabilty (and non affordabilty) of the mens and womens tents for Sleaze this year.Glenn Horders heart is in all the right places,but his common sense rates very poorly indeed.
SGLMG Visa card is now over its credit limit - Wed Aug 9 10:42:30 2000
This is the opinion of the poster.
Panther Can you start a Poll that people can vote only once from each Cookie, that asks the party members "Do you agree with International DJ/s at Sleaze and Mardi Gras" "Do you believe it is money well spent" ? What do you think.
Local DJ who loves international they keep us on our toes! - Wed Aug 9 11:18:33 2000
Ms Shaerin Magoodies - Wed Aug 9 8:30:26 2000 Time to get a top Admin person someone great with money, a penny pincher, with investment experience and willing to crack the whip harder reducing carefree spending!
Iva not shaerin magoodies, including my Domestos - Wed Aug 9 11:25:18 2000
RE: Overseas dj's. As a local dj, I like the idea of every dj position at our parties being open and available for us. However, the use of international dj's not only heightens the exposure of our local talent (as expressed by so many already, it also heightens the exposure of our parties and our scene. With international dj's involved, we can better market an overseas crowd, and that is good for the economy of our precious community as well as the country. I don't know who they are in negotiations with for the hordern at Sleaze, but I think Barry Harris (aka thunderpuss 2000) is a fantastic choice for the RHI. Vocal hits that every one knows in the RHI. A darker sound in the Hordern. A harder edge in the Dome. Isn't that covering most areas? People may not fully agree with all of Glenn Horder's ideas but at least he's trying new things and not giving the job to all his friends like a certain previous party director. It's good to see some of Sydney's younger and more looked-over talent in this line up. I'm happy for all the successful applicants. They deserve it.
A non bitter dj. - Wed Aug 9 11:55:49 2000
Who needs seperated mens and womens spaces anyway? Isn't it all about us coming together??? I wanna boogie with my dyke friends wheverever I please. Not have limits as to where I, or they can go. Seperation of spaces also unfortunately means the female dj's only get represented in the female space. Yay for the girls in the Hordern!
Wed Aug 9 12:04:23 2000
Here here. End the separatism.
Nat - Wed Aug 9 12:31:28 2000
dear visa card, instead of stating as fact that glenn horder has spent the mens and womens tent money on overseas dj's, why not simply ask him where the money has been spent. i dont know where the money goes either but it would seem the sensible thing to do if you are so concerned with the money going to waste
Shaerin Magoodies - Wed Aug 9 12:33:25 2000
Glenn has a Commerce degree. It's all in good hands.
Wed Aug 9 12:56:51 2000
Is the RHI and Hordern now part of Fox Studios? I thought they were controlled by the Centennial Trust.
Wed Aug 9 13:04:08 2000
Yes please end the separatism.....always hated the male and female only spaces and yes I know there are those who can't cope with the opposite sex but this is about coming together as an earlier poster said. And please you can't hope/bitch just because your fav DJ's are not all in your fav Hall. Move around a bit, you mind find you enjoy it.
T - Wed Aug 9 13:13:10 2000
I have to object. I spend time in all areas of the party and I love nothing more than wandering through the Womens tent, having a perve and taking in the aroma of a women only space. Then I go back to the RHI or Hordern before heading over to the Dome. I am not affended that I cannot go into the mens tent and my male friends don't mind being rejected from the womens.
Wed Aug 9 13:32:26 2000
The single sex spaces are not about separatism - they are about choice. You can ***choose*** to party in the male/female only space or your can ***choose*** to party in the mixed spaces....... or...... gasp...... you can ***choose*** to move between the two throughout the night as your fancy pleases!
Here's to a world where there is no choice but heterosexuality missionary position once a year on your wedding anniversary whilst you think of the motherland! - Wed Aug 9 14:44:42 2000
So where's the Sleaze in the DJ line up - seems that the DOme and Hordern DJ selection are in the wrong venues. Annabelle Gaspar is fab, but not at the start in the cavernous Hordern. The middle DJ in the Hordern had better be funky.
Wed Aug 9 15:35:25 2000
You may find that venues will be changed around
Wed Aug 9 18:19:23 2000
Wed Aug 9 14:44:42 2000: "Here's to a world where there is no choice but heterosexuality missionary position once a year on your wedding anniversary whilst you think of the motherland!" Ever heard the term 'overreaction'?
EC - Wed Aug 9 18:26:39 2000
MG I assume provide a separate space so that we as individuals can choose what is comfortable. We choose what we prefer by gravitating to one or ther other, or if you're like me you find both facinating. It is not separatist. If you dont like mens/womens only spaces, choose to dance with friend/family/strangers of the opposite sex. It not a problem unless you make it one.
brian - Wed Aug 9 19:45:47 2000
EC - Wed Aug 9 18:26:39 2000 - Listen to brian ..... oh and ever heard the term "relax - it's only a joke".
Missionary - Wed Aug 9 20:01:34 2000
To whoever said that I don't play commercial music anymore, where have you been? Obviously not where I have been playing.
Jake Kilby. - Wed Aug 9 20:37:33 2000
A DJ speaks and signs his name. Be very careful signing your name in this vipers den. Just ask Gavin.
TW - Wed Aug 9 21:51:40 2000
Dear Jake,I love you dearly and I'm extatic you are doing the RHI opening (I know I'm gonna get lots of requests,including my #1 song of all time) but beware of all the wolves on this channel.Be careful what you say.
circa taxi club 1995 - Wed Aug 9 22:53:31 2000
Wait till you hear who is playing the middle set in the Hordern, between Annabelle & Sveta, the biggest and best name of the lot....and it's a local!!
Shhhhhhhhh - Wed Aug 9 23:41:02 2000
"Lovin' It" is the middle DJ in the Whoreden.
Ula Sinclair - Thu Aug 10 0:35:10 2000
and a DJ that freely admits to playing commercial muisc too ! hahah
Jack - Thu Aug 10 1:21:07 2000
God, some people are gonna realise who I am! - Sat Aug 5 18:25:44 2000 Who ever you are you have the right outlook god I hope your envolved with Mardi Gras.
Thu Aug 10 2:59:38 2000
When party budgets are set down, the operating figure is then futher allocated into seperate budgets - Production(lights, sound etc,) Entertainment, Scenic(decoration),Security, & Site Costs. While people may or may not like the dj lineup, its composition would have no bearing on any decisions regarding same-sex spaces. It may have some bearing on other entertainment costs, like shows & staging, but not on site or venue related costs.Thats not an argument with any one, it's just how the budgets are structured. The party director, and committee, have control over how Entertainment,and to some extent Scenic budgets are spent.The lion share of costs, as any quick read of the budgets will reveal, is on production and site costs, all of which are significantly GST affected.Just thought I'd offer those verifiable facts into the discussion.
dull accounting type - Thu Aug 10 11:50:48 2000
It would not cost 1.4 million to throw a party, but personal desktop Macs and desktop publishing colour photocopies and wasted admin resources really do add up. The entertainment budget would not blow the expensive of a party into the red. The S.G.L.M.L profit-eating monster must be identified and captured. Seven can you send out some borg nano-prob's to search for the creature.
Thu Aug 10 13:07:56 2000
I have a question & I want a serious answer *Not a rumour!* Q - did Victor Calderone get VIP treatment when he was here for Mardi Gras ? was he in the VIP viewing area to watch the parade ?
Panties - Thu Aug 10 13:50:58 2000
Yes he did, and Wayne G did not!
Thu Aug 10 14:14:41 2000
The majority of profit made by parties is used to fund the organisation as a whole. Get a copy of the annual report. There isn't any missing money, or any extravagant expenses. Things like the Parade cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, as does the workshop, and administration which provide a service to both members and the wider community.It's really boring, but Mardi Gras actually gets an incredible amount done with quite a fixed income. Stop looking for conspiracies,and profligate spending and get a copy of the report. It is very dull reading.Computers, mac & otherwise, copiers,color & otherwise are standard equipment in every medium sized office Ive visited in years...try volunteering, like hundreds of others, and maybe from within you'll discover the missing millions....
dull accounting type - Thu Aug 10 14:40:01 2000
We are very proud to announce that the Offical DJ Line Up for Sleaze2000Degrees has now been released. The line up is advertised in the local papers and on our website: www.mardigras.com.au. Check it out!!!
Glenn Horder - Party Director - Thu Aug 10 14:53:27 2000
stephen alkins in the middle of the hordern.Well that should make for lots of empty space in that particular hall.
what a waste of time - Thu Aug 10 15:12:11 2000
That would be nothing unusual Mr Panties - though I wonder why Wayne G would not get the same treatment (assuming that's true) - but I guess the question is why him and not the other DJs. I don't subscribe to most of these conspiracy theories but the VIP viewing room for the parade has always been the place to start if you're looking for a good one. What was Helena Christiansen doing there one year for example? While I disagree with the paranoia from some parties here about overseas DJs, I agree that the locals should receive equal treatment and respect.
EC - Thu Aug 10 15:16:36 2000
He is only the most highly respected and enduringly popular dj in australia,ask any of his peers, but please 'what a waste', do everyone a favour and stay away,not just from the Hordern, but from the party, your time is too precious for us...
~!@#$%^ - Thu Aug 10 15:18:33 2000
PS. Four DJs in the Dome? Anyone else get the feeling the Dome is going to be way crowded?
EC - Thu Aug 10 15:21:10 2000
what a waste --------> (_*_)
Thu Aug 10 15:27:24 2000
Gonzalo for the Dome? The ICE influence continues...didn't he have his first Oz gig at ICE last year? Great to see, but exactly who is pulling the strings in the Dome? :)
Trade Fan - Thu Aug 10 16:37:05 2000
Its a shame the Dome DJs are not in the Hordern and for purely selfish reasons, Its a shame Sveta wasn't swapped with LL
Thu Aug 10 16:53:42 2000
dear audrey and crew, thanks for the good choices, cannot wait for the party and cannot wait for the rumour mill regarding performers!
Shaerin Magoodies - Thu Aug 10 17:21:29 2000
is Gonzalo the purple bird from Sesame Street ? he's funny !
Chiclet - Thu Aug 10 17:53:12 2000
There hasn't been any live performers at the last couple of Sleaze parties and there probably won't be again Shaerin.
The Phantom Insider - Thu Aug 10 18:14:51 2000
there probably wony (again) be live performances at sleaze because that money has been allocated towards overseas DJ's.We cant have our cake and eat it too.Its either Overseas DJ's OR overseas live acts.Take your pick.
bored - Thu Aug 10 18:23:49 2000
personally i'd rather have neither.Spend the money on local talent *duck*
bored - Thu Aug 10 18:25:10 2000
The trouble with the traditional Dome sound of deep/garage House remaining in the Dome was that it had become too small & way too hot for the crowds which that style of music was attracting. Given that this is the latest, and therefore potentially the hottest Sleaze ever, that was becoming an unreasonable risk.So,the clearly Dome-type line-up has moved to the larger & air conditioned Hordern. Putting MGs first-ever really hard line-up in either the smaller Dome or Live makes sense because its a reasonably unknown quantity for MG. 4 djs in 10 hrs is pretty common for that style, though...Comparisons with Ice, and Trade are a compliment.
Thu Aug 10 18:26:26 2000
I believe someone mentioned there was to be a crow meal at this point. Doesn't look like that will be necessary, does it? :)
Thu Aug 10 20:35:39 2000
Hot <RHI> Jake Kilby + Barry Harris + Greg Boladian
Hard <Dome> Luke Leal + Gonzalo + Baby Bear + Mark Murphy
House <Horden> Annabelle Gaspar + Stephen Alkins + Sveta
Thu Aug 10 20:43:45 2000
My job is done.
TW - Thu Aug 10 20:54:28 2000
OUR job is done thanks TW! :)
My Life Now Has Meaning - Thu Aug 10 21:23:23 2000
Can we envisage the hordern being the dome and dome being the hordern. Don't take K
The Doctor - Thu Aug 10 21:41:17 2000
Can we envisage the hordern being the dome and dome being the hordern. Don't take K
The Doctor - Thu Aug 10 21:41:20 2000
Oops sorry for that
The Doctor - Thu Aug 10 21:43:18 2000
No one from ICE has anything to do with MG. There are no strings pulled or attatched. MG strive to make the consumer happy, and seeing as hard house has become awfully popular here of late, they have incorporated it at the party. Who better to use than Luke, Mark and Baby Bear, who have defined hard house in this town. Who really cares if it is an Ice party line up? Ice parties are successful and MG sees that. As for moving the styles between the dome and hordern around, the dome has always been more male orientated and the girls seem to like the hordern, so why not cater to that fact? This years line up shows a great continuity between the dj's in all the halls, rather than cramming various styles into each hall, seperate individual styles into individual halls. Nice new blood in RHI and Dome. Well done, guys!
Thu Aug 10 21:49:14 2000
to jack: some people like commercial music, you know. just becuase you don't doesn't mean you can rain on everyone else's parade. don't like it? don't go to the RHI.
Thu Aug 10 21:55:01 2000
I agree. I'm not ashamed to play commercially. Hell, I'm hired to do it six nights a week.
Thu Aug 10 21:57:58 2000
dear chiclet, thank you that is the funniest thing i have seen on this wall... as for performers, i'm betting there will be at least one live performance, i can feel it in my waters...
Shaerin Magoodies - Thu Aug 10 22:26:17 2000
Actually, the crow eating was specifically directed at ? & 'it all makes sense..." (4/8/00)who were protesting an anticipated dearth of commercial/arq style at the party. ? actually mentioned Thunderpuss as the sort of dj MG should have considered. Greg Bolladian obviously plays at arq, and you have Jakes own word on his affinity with the commercial,and Thunderpuss,all in the biggest hall.Now, would you prefer your crow baked, or grilled? I bet you'd prefer to find something else to criticise, and that's ok, but at least admit when you get it wrong....
Shhhhhhhhh - Fri Aug 11 6:49:02 2000
o/s djs vs performers....give me the djs any day. i'd rather hear Gonzalo spin for two hours than the likes of Jimmy or Tina singing for 5 minutes. (and they difference in price is probably minimal)
Fri Aug 11 7:47:41 2000
And just what's wrong with small & way too hot in the DOme. It just causes us to sweat and get all slippery - I would define Sleaze as a room full of hot, sweaty, men.(although the resultant salt stains on the leather are unsightly the morning after) If the lineup is right, I want the whole Hordern line up in the Dome - as if not being in the Dome at Inquisition was too much to bear. Bring it back.
lovin' it - Fri Aug 11 9:08:05 2000
Lovin' It, those stains on arent salt. dont be so naive !
Mr Panties - Fri Aug 11 10:50:18 2000
from mardi gras with love - xxxx our annual fundraising party Sleaze takes on a summer vibe this year. The party DJ line-up has just been announced and we thought you might like to know it! (RHI) Jake Kilby, Barry Harris (Thunderpuss 2000), Greg Boladian. (Dome) Luke Leal, Gonzalo (Trade UK), Baby Bear, Mark Murphy (Hordern) Annabelle Gaspar, Stephen Allkins, Sveta. RHI Jake Kilby plays the rhi for the first time - you may recall his hit set at the Cabaret Venue at Mardi Gras Party 2000. Barry Harris of the USA's DJ team Thunderpuss 2000 has mixed dozen's of legendary acts and tracks - including Whitney Houston, the Eurythmics, Pet Shop Boys, Amber, Donna Summer and Jennifer Holliday. More about him later. Greg Boladian is a resident at Arq on Sunday nights and opened magnificantly the Hordern at Mardi Gras Party 1999. With that line up try to keep your hands out of the air. Dome Luke Leal opens the Dome in a way you have never heard him play. Gonzalo brings a touch of London's supaclub Trade to intensify the heat, and Baby Bear (Inquistion, Harbour 2000 ) debut's at Sleaze and adds some fuel to the fire. Mark Murphy finally gets a gurnsey and promises a fierce and exhausting closing set. Hordern One of Sydney's most versatile DJ's Annabelle Gaspar takes on the Hordern and sets the pace (we can't wait). Hall of Fame DJ Stephen Allkins makes a warm and welcome return to Sleaze - expect a set you won't forget. Sveta who set the pace for Calderone with a phenomenal five hour journey at this year's Mardi Gras Party, rightly returns to pack more punch. There are limited tickets to Sleaze this year so think about booking earlier. You know the score - Ticketek Hotline = 9266 4222, Online from our Website www.mardigras.com.au or from outlets include Fish Records on Oxford Street Darlo and King Street Newtown.
marketing @ mardi gras - Fri Aug 11 12:06:51 2000
What I'm saying Mr Panties is that there'll be no stains this year. Dancing with Bruno & Maria in the Hordern. Damn.
lovin' it - Fri Aug 11 12:13:36 2000
Sounds good!!
Fri Aug 11 12:17:12 2000
People are already queuing to get into Dome.
Fri Aug 11 12:23:47 2000
Well I have heard Luke Leal play like he will be in the Dome at least 6 times!
Fri Aug 11 12:49:52 2000
dear mr panties,i still cannot even look at my mardi gras costume without shuddering at the thought of how all those "marks" appeared, most of which i do not even know or recognise what they are! (although the anal probe episode on south park does feel eerily familiar...)
Shaerin Magoodies - Fri Aug 11 15:39:34 2000
Are we all happy?
EC - Fri Aug 11 16:57:47 2000
Thanks for the email Mardi Gras. Quite happy with the DJ line up and quite happy to move from Hall to Hall. Can't wait...... Hope the lighting is again amazing - lots of varilights and lasers please..............
P - Fri Aug 11 17:17:21 2000
There are always lots of varilights. Mardi Gras has been using them since they were first created.
Fri Aug 11 18:25:36 2000
I'm happy. Are you happy EC?
TW - Fri Aug 11 18:44:28 2000
Last year at this time, I was aprehensive with the new Party committee and what they would do. I had a ball(no pun intended). The DJ line up this time, sums up what these parties are to me. Different and fun. Luke Leal in the Dome is worth almost the price of admission. I'm going, excited (even 2.5 months out) and ready. Hey, eveytime I see an elephant, it reminds me of homosutra! Come on, there are more positives related to the party than some of the drivel here indicate.
Mark and I'm...... - Fri Aug 11 19:25:28 2000
Oh I forgot. Who is doing the lighting. Surely someone knows the oh so important details here. Please AP, please AP
Mark and I'm wanting Alan. - Fri Aug 11 19:31:15 2000
OK, 3 in a row. See what sitting around with a good CD and a bottle of wine does! I was just thinking that Luke Leal will now have played in the RHI , Hordern and Dome at a MG party. Has anyome else done this????
Mark and I'm ... - Fri Aug 11 19:51:06 2000

Fri Aug 11 19:55:39 2000
There are many firsts for this Sleaze, some of which will be progressively announced between now and then. Congratulations to all the DJs and the party committee, and those who influenced them. Let's hope its the sell out it deserves to be!
Fri Aug 11 20:46:16 2000
Gonzalo R.O.C.K.S
Fri Aug 11 21:09:16 2000
The answer to Mark and im in relation to a DJ having played all three of the main venues is "yes".James Fraser Has played Hordern sleaze 1993,RHI sleaze 1994 and Dome Mardi Gras 1995.Sorry Luke,it aint a first !!
History lesson - Fri Aug 11 21:12:56 2000
Voices in my mind. Voices in my mind - all the time.
lovin' it - Fri Aug 11 22:09:44 2000
Lighting designers are: RHI- Alan Parkinson, Hordern- Steven Hale, Dome- Anthony Reid.
Fri Aug 11 22:59:32 2000
Has Stephen Alkins played in all three? And maybe Rob Davis?
TW - Sat Aug 12 11:18:47 2000
Cant recall if steve alkins has played all three venues.In fact I'd say he has never played the RHI at all because pre 1990 the RHI wasnt used,it was the government pavilion.And I know steve hasnt played RHI since 1991 so the answer is NO I'd say to steve alkins.As for Rob Davis the answer is yes ,i can remember Rob closing the Hordern Mardi Gras 1995 and of course he opened the RHI at Sleaze 1999,i just cant remember when he did the Dome,but I'm sure he has.
more history lessons - Sat Aug 12 12:43:34 2000
Miss Allkins has played the RHI - Rat NYE 1988 with Grace Jones
Chiclet - Sat Aug 12 13:08:37 2000
That doesn't count,we are talking about playing RHI for Sleaze or Mardi Gras parties,not Rat or NYE !!!!!
disqualified - Sat Aug 12 13:13:47 2000
I Want to know WHY there are no available options for sleaze besides the 3 main halls ? Forgetting about the single sex areas issue,what about the cabaret hall so successfully used at Mardi Gras this year ??? Saving and scrimping money to pay the two O/S DJ's ??
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Sat Aug 12 22:16:00 2000
Derr! Maybe it has something to do with attendances at Sleaze not being as big as MG? And derrr again, you'll find Gonzalo is on a similar deal to what Wayne G was, i.e., getting paid bugger all coz he really wants to do it.
Stop ya f***ing whinging - Sat Aug 12 22:38:02 2000
that still doesnt negate the fact that the cabaret hall was a HuGE success at Mardi Gras and therefore should have been retained for this party !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop ya F****** abuse !!!! - Sat Aug 12 23:24:33 2000
The Fox & lion is a great venue,& it worked really well at Mardi Gras, but using it involves a street closure within Fox,($$$),and for a party of 14,000 it isn't money well spent.If the Live Music venue is available it will be used,probably for the Hard music, and Dome will become a Soul/Groove Bar.At Mardi Gras the Fox & Lion will almost certainly be used again.The dj line-up has nothing whatsoever to do with site configuration.Seperate budgets.
Sat Aug 12 23:38:38 2000
I dont understand that logic.That particular hall was "The Hit" of mardi gras.Why cancel your biggest hit from MG just to cut a few dollars ?? Surely the budget could be juggled around to keep a popular item on the agenda.Its like saying "Wow,Mardi gras was fab this year but we need to cut corners for sleaze so lets not have any lighting".Doctor Spock would think it all too illogical for even him to fathom !
logic never equals MG party committee !! - Sun Aug 13 0:06:50 2000
ye giveuth something good, then taketh away just as we are starting to enjoy it.So typical !
Sun Aug 13 0:14:09 2000
The Fox & lion was really popular,but it holds less than 600 people,total, on both floors, so describing it as "The Hit" of the party relative to RHI(7,000)Hordern(5,000)or Dome(1,800)is probably a slight exaggeration.Nobody wants to have budgetary constraints,particularly the party committee that works,all year, for free, to put on the best party they can within those unwelcome constraints.No matter where you cut costs,someone is convinced it is a really bad decision.But,c'mon guys,it's not a conspiracy to remove joy from your lives.Things cost money.And being able to put on a poster that 'the fox & lion will be open' probably won't sell enough tickets to justify street closure,extra Fox security,etc.Lighten up...
Sun Aug 13 0:37:40 2000
believe it or not it costs mega dollars to close off areas and have security at fox. and while i agree the fox and lion was fabulous at mg, i would rather see the very limited funds for sleaze go towards lighting and shows and dj's, both local and international. you would not believe what the production manager and party director have to go through with small amounts of money to make the parties as fabulous as they are.
Shaerin Magoodies - Sun Aug 13 15:58:35 2000
What about Drag Queens??? Sleaze2000Degrees, well who better than Farren-Height. Shes hot, gives 100% and can dance. Lets hope along with the great DJ line up we have some good shows, Go Faz!!
Sun Aug 13 20:12:28 2000
Drag Queens ? please, no more ! tired, tired, tired. never heard of Faren Height & I dont wanna see him miming to another Donna Summer song.
the Fat Lady - Mon Aug 14 1:36:14 2000
LOL fat lady..... I totally agree. Another drag queen - all look the same and perform the same to me. When I see an original one I might be impressed......
Mon Aug 14 10:55:29 2000
Farren is one of Sydneys best performers. If you haven't heard of her, she performs at the albury on tuesday and thursday nights and the imperial on friday and saturday nights. she also won last years "rising star" diva award. Drag shows at parties can be amazing when a full production number is put together. I agree that another plain donna summer number would be boring, but think moggi doing slave to the rhythm. 3D doing shine on with lasers and a mirror tile outfit. Farren is statuesque and commands attention. In a well thought out show, she could be incredible.
all for a drag show - Mon Aug 14 11:43:59 2000
mardi gras and sleaze are two very different parties. as has already been mentioned, sleaze does not attract the international crowd that mardi gras does and therefore does not need as much space or as many halls. although it is good to have variety, wouldn't you rather only have three or four packed and pumping halls than five or six half empty ones? the way they have lined up the dj's has given a great variety anyway so there is something for everyone. besides, the dj from the cabaret venue at mardi gras (the fox and lion hotel) is opening the RHI at sleaze ball.
Mon Aug 14 11:56:17 2000
Thanks for the good vibe about The Fox And Lion at Mardi Gras. It's nice to know we kept ya happy. Thanks to the Black Ena too for making it such a smooth running night.
jake kilby - Mon Aug 14 12:36:49 2000
"Mon Aug 14 11:43:59 2000 " look honey, I think you're doing a great job as his publicist (pffft), but I dont give a rats ass about drag queens. Me go to the Albury or the Imperial ? yeah right ! oh well, if DJs can fill this board with self-publicity, then I guess it's time for the drag queens to start doing it too. *subtle*
Fat Lady (I'm about to sing) - Mon Aug 14 13:33:15 2000
Fat lady,maybe if you actually got off your arse and came to the albury to see me perform you would know what i am like as a performer.P.S.as for the Donna Summer number i may agree with you on that,are you happy the drag queens have written on the pink board openly.
Farren-heit - Mon Aug 14 14:19:00 2000
ahhh, so it was Farren-Height that was plugging herself on here ! hmmm, reminds me of _ __ _ __ _ _ _
God Bless Australia - Mon Aug 14 14:38:50 2000
No it wasn't me doing self promotion.......I was informed by a friend.But hey whatever works...
Guess who? - Mon Aug 14 15:56:12 2000
Leave Faz alone you shmuck
Fazzies little sister - Mon Aug 14 16:57:38 2000
why is it that when someone is praised on this site it is automatically assumed that the person in question is praising themselves? I was praising Farren and last time I looked in the mirror I was not her.
all for drag shows. - Mon Aug 14 21:07:39 2000
To Fat Lady and any other computer nerds who live there life by Pink Board and spend months before and after community events bitching and complaining about what was wrong or what should have been done for these events, leave Farren Heit, or any other Drag performer out of your petty arguments. Syndney drag queens are among the elite in the world, and really dont give a shit about your opinions. They make a living dancing and miming to songs in pubs and the majority dont care less about self promotion, and the majority dont need to. As a Drag Queen, and best friend of Farrens I know that she is totally confident in her performing and doesnt need to get onto sone community bitch board to promote herself and try and get a Sleaze Ball show. If she wanted to put in a proposal for a show she would, she certainly wouldnt start speading rumours and gossip on the pinkboard, because I know that Farren cant even set the video timer, let alone find the pinkbord and self promote with out the help of someone else!!! She's fantastic at most things but completly computer illiterate ..............
Farrens best Friend........ - Mon Aug 14 21:15:16 2000
offensive message deleted.
am I a computer nerd ? I dont think I've ever been called that before. how rude.
Mr Panties - Tue Aug 15 1:11:54 2000
Congratulations to Glenn and the Committee on the current status of Sleaze. No doubt we will be surprised by further positive developments.
Tue Aug 15 8:31:05 2000
Drag = cheap Milli Vanilli
Tue Aug 15 10:53:19 2000
Waaahhhaaaaayyy go the Drag queens especially Farren you go girl!!!!!
go the drag...... - Tue Aug 15 13:05:38 2000
I love it when I meet a drag queen when they arent in drag. they're such ... ummm ... "handsome" fellas. bah ! I can see why they dress up in drag. it's the only way they'll get noticed.
how long until this gets deleted ? - Tue Aug 15 13:23:09 2000
Not long enough as i have just told most of the drag queens!!!! I bet your a sexy fella ain't ya? Nooooooot....... get a life!!!!
go the drag - Tue Aug 15 14:48:58 2000
And the only way you will get noticed is...........How?
me - Tue Aug 15 14:50:24 2000
Please, drag is the lowest common denominator of the gay and lesbian dance party. [runs away laughing and ducking for cover]
EC - Tue Aug 15 14:57:04 2000
Its sad to see that so many people out there have a bad opinion of drag queens. Most of the drags i know are good looking guys, im sorry they dont fit the mold of every other clone on oxford street. And besides, they at least get out there, do something for the community and have fun doing it...maybe some of you should go and try it once...see what lengths they go to and maybe have fun, or would that be asking too much?
bystander - Tue Aug 15 15:04:42 2000
Go the bystander!!!!!
Mrs Marple - Tue Aug 15 15:07:17 2000
Incase anyone is wondering why i am Mrs Marple and not Miss marple well i got married!!!!
Mrs Marple - Tue Aug 15 15:08:57 2000
Drag shows may not be for everyone, but a large part of the community still loves them, otherwise there would mot be so many regular drag shows around oxford street that still pull a huge crowd. I am confident that Glenn and the committee will give us a variety in the sleaze shows, just as they have with the dj's. drag shows, live performers and visual spectaculars - something for everyone. Don't forget, it was rumoured that two international live performers backed out of mardi gras at the last minute, leaving the committee little time to make other arrangements. I'm sure sleaze shows will be amazing.
Tue Aug 15 15:20:25 2000
Wow, a big fuss over drag queens and shows....Drag shows are fun to watch. Whether or not they have a drag show or live performers at sleaze, im sure it will be a great night, of which i will be one of the revellers....
Tue Aug 15 15:29:16 2000
I won;t be one of the revellers.......:( long story but i would love to go......
Mrs Marple - Tue Aug 15 15:37:06 2000
come on mrs marple, tell us....?
Tue Aug 15 15:39:57 2000
My husband won't let me .........but you never know........
Mrs Marple - Tue Aug 15 15:52:13 2000
I might become Miss again for that night only.......
Mrs Marple - Tue Aug 15 15:56:02 2000
E.C...why do you consider drag to be the lowest denominator in the community? they are a part of this so called community of ours that has many facets to it. It's no wonder that the scene is...well..lets look outside the bubble we live in for once.
bystander - Tue Aug 15 16:21:33 2000
It was a joke Joyce. But you've lost me on drag queens being 'outside' the bubble we allegedly live in??? Interesting though, in all these years of Mardi Gras and Sleaze walls drag queens have never really come up. I wonder why.
EC - Tue Aug 15 16:35:06 2000
No i meant not just drag queens but people in general should look outside the bubble they live in.Drag queens are as much in a bubble as everyone else!
bystander - Tue Aug 15 17:30:45 2000
I'm with you EC. Drag at dance parties is just that - a drag!
Nat - Tue Aug 15 18:14:32 2000
I don't mind drag queens. I just hate it when we have to treat them as if they are actually talented! They mime to other peoples songs for crying out loud, there's nothing talented in that.
Tue Aug 15 21:48:49 2000
Maybe TW would like all the debate about drag queens deleted for not being relevant to this board ??
Tue Aug 15 21:59:23 2000
no, just delete the crap about the free fm party
Tue Aug 15 22:29:50 2000
Drag is subversive: in a patriarchy it satirises the most sacrosanct of idealised qualities- masculinity.Some dykes feel it is a piss take on women,but I think it is a willingness on behalf of its brave,exotic practitioners to forfeit the holy grail of their own masculinity,for the most frivolous of reasons-entertainment & amusement.Drag & Sleaze belong together.
Marx Brother - Wed Aug 16 1:58:22 2000
I don't think you can say really(back a few message's)that drag queens are not talented ,they are as i far as i can see even though they mime they still put a hell of a lot of work into show's for everyone to see...Have you ever actually thought what might go into a drag show hmm????ie.costumes,make-up,corriographing(spelt wrong),rehearsal after rehearsel etc.i think you will find it is not as easy as it looks!!!
Mrs Marple - Wed Aug 16 9:07:49 2000
Have a look at one of Vanity's numbers and tell me that that is not talented. Bet you can't.
Wed Aug 16 9:57:21 2000
Mrs Maple - I think that you are as hi as the drag queens are when you watch their performances.
coreography??? Is that what that moving from side to side is? - Wed Aug 16 11:15:39 2000
It's Mrs Marple thank-you and no i am not hi i just enjoy it,it is good fun to watch!!!I would like to see you try dressing up in drag and then dancing in a pair of stilleto's while concentrating on the song...mmmmm
Mrs Marple - Wed Aug 16 11:52:27 2000
the Golden Age of drag is dead. Miss 3D, Strykermyer, Cindy Pastel, Theresa Green, Bernina Bod & Lady Bump - they were innovative, creative & talented. the drag that's around now is cheesy white-bread crap. they all look the same, mime to the same songs, wear the same clothes, bump the same K. *yawn*
Panties - Wed Aug 16 11:54:52 2000