Pinkboard: Party Graffiti Wall 30

With this graffiti wall we reach the next decade, the 30s.

Some people claim that this is too old, over the hill in gay years. If you aren't young and gorgeous then you just shouldn't party.

There are many of us, however, who have reached that magic number (and even one or ten numbers beyond it) and are still partying. We still turn up looking great, take our shirts off and dance the night away. Others, though, do turn away from the late nights and choose a more stately existence with maybe the occasional foray to the "scene".

Gay life doesn't end at thirty, nor do Pinkboard's Graffiti Walls.

Party Graffiti Wall 29
Party Graffiti Wall 31

As for too old (maybe in dog years, but certainly not gay years [omg...internal contradiction - are the two mutually exclusive ?!?!]) Madonna is looking pretty good (at 45) in the press picy's for the re-invention tour...which proves a point...you're just as young and gorgous as you tell dr botox you want to be!

by the way...this wall doesn't seem the same without "new wall, yay" by "it's all about me" starting it off. whoever you are, I hope you're ok!

ta ta for now
Ms Golightly - Thu 25 Mar 2004 23:17:15

Hey pretty confused... In the words of Christine Aguilera:

You are beautiful no matter what they say,
Cause words can't bring you down
JS - Fri 26 Mar 2004 07:48:29

You found your way to Pinkboard, you're on your way! Truth be known, we all lack confidence sometimes and some even use aggression as a way of masking it - if you don't, you're a winner already.

I treated my confidence problem by talking to ALL and sundry. Like your exercise regime, it can be applied to socialising. Just get yourself out there.

It does get easier with practice; it's a numbers game.
it's them, not you - Fri 26 Mar 2004 10:03:50

It will be encouraged, not just ok!
- Fri 26 Mar 2004 11:30:03

Defence lawyer Prutti Kuranon told Reuters on Wednesday that Connell had escaped a death sentence by confessing and would appeal against the life term.

Connell was arrested in November at Bangkok International Airport for trying to smuggle in two moisturiser cream jars stuffed with the tablets, which fetch 1,000 baht (14 pounds) a piece on the streets of the Thai capital.

Connell told police during interrogation he was unaware that the jars he had bought at a department store in Manchester contained the pills and said they could have been switched during his stopover in Dubai, a court statement said.

The Customs Department, whose officials arrested Connell, said in November the ecstasy pills, estimated to have a Thai street value of 3.4 million baht (50,000 pounds), were wrapped in plastic inside the jars and hidden in his luggage.
- Fri 26 Mar 2004 13:40:17

try stonewall on wednesday - malebox is singles pick up night. you don't have to walk up to anybody, you can send them a note and not have to deal with face to face rejection, plus you may get other offers yourself. bear in mind that people are genereally attracted to those who look like they're having fun, so go out there and have some.... btw your confidence will come back when you enjoy yourself again, so enjoy you - you're probably fun:)
shaggony aunt - Fri 26 Mar 2004 13:43:01

Honey, quite simply, it has nothing to do with your body - well done on theose changes though, you'll live longer. It's more likely a mental block whereby, possibly due to being made to feeling unloved or worthless as a child (generally at the instigation of a parent or guardian), you have a block to feeling loved and lovable. Regardless of what your friends say, you, deep down, still have this feeling.

Get some therapy aimed directly at this issue. It will bring up some ugly stuff from your childhood but better out than in. I just went through the process and it absolutely amazed my friends that I had those feelings - we are good at covering what we don't want us, or others, to see.
Good luck on the journey... - Fri 26 Mar 2004 14:37:29

Indeed, but some of the indifference in actions / interactions of some of the guys on the Sydney scene certainly can hurt and dismay...and I don't intend to sound or reinforce negativity in this statment.. just an observation and sadly a bit of a home truth in this town I'm sad to say... but good advise JS (and Christina A)....good on you for accentuating the positive....and as for yourself there "Pretty Confused" don't let the B*st*rds bring you down.
Roll With The Punches. - Fri 26 Mar 2004 14:43:54

As for childhood trauma well that is a different issue, I have been on gaydar and pinkboard for years and for once decided to say something,

I am now talking to all the people who used to be large and have done lots to lose the weight I am one of those but in your mind you are still big and I know it takes a while, But I refuse for the scene to dictate what I should wear or my attitude. I got caught up in once before and never again, I have done all of this for my self and no one else.

I am beautful and I do hae the amazing eyes and the biggest heart
pretty confused - Fri 26 Mar 2004 20:01:06

pretty confused
suggest you get out there. take some risks
get knocked back and work it missy elliot:)
- Fri 26 Mar 2004 20:27:20

speaking of 15 minutes - has anyone seen which ex-pop/soap "star" is now working behind the counter at body bronze @ taylor sq ? she did an ad for an Erectile Disfunction Clinic a few months ago, but I guess her contract finished.
just call me Roz - Sat 27 Mar 2004 11:02:33

http://fremantlefc.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=289391
gayboi - Sat 27 Mar 2004 19:46:37

Support the fundraiser
- Sat 27 Mar 2004 20:21:12

Then you have every right to report such puerile & insincere behaviour to the nightclub manager. Such behaviour is anti-social and makes a mockery of the concept. Next time it happens, tell us. They might think they have your number so make sure your get theirs.
it's a numbers game - Sat 27 Mar 2004 21:23:28

you were at the underbear party?????
- Sat 27 Mar 2004 21:32:03

Babe Ruth had the record for hitting the highest number of home runs in American Baseball ?he also had the record for the highest number of strike-outs. On each and every pitch he? swing with the belief he? hit a home run.

If you are committed to dating and finding that special someone, don? let your past setbacks stop you from believing you can hit a home run each and every time.

If there isn? an event or party that you think is appropriate for singles to mingle, perhaps you could organise one? There? bound to be interest in the community and help is easy to find. If you want to take this on, you can count on me to help you with whatever you need to make it a success. What do you think?
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Dan Murphy - Sun 28 Mar 2004 23:37:47

I have to agree about the Underbear party. It was a fantastic night and by far the best underbear party HCBears have put on. Hopefully they will do another one at the Shift later this year.
- Mon 29 Mar 2004 04:54:21

1. I have never played football
2. Never been to Fremantle
3. The only exciting thing about football is Matthew Lloyd (No.18 Essendon), Brad Symes (No.23 Port Adelaide), or our very own Mark Powell (No.29 Swans)?ho might I say did very well on Saturday night against the Lions for such a young player?is online fan site details that he sleeps in the nude, in black sheets, listens to Eminem (can be forgiven/educated), 88 kilos full of solid rock muscle - what more could you ask for.
4. I know nothing about football.
5. Have I mentioned Matthew Lloyd?
Ryan Murphy - Mon 29 Mar 2004 11:38:19

Ian Thorpe RIP.
- Mon 29 Mar 2004 12:28:07

The event covers two fetish filled floors - Kick'n us off in the basement bar are some of your underground favourites Dj's: Feisty, Sveta & Mark Murphy. And in the funk'd up lounge you'll find ample seating to relax, chat, play or dance to the funky new beat of Dj's: Dayla & Doctor Jane.

PERV at live performances from Zoo: Temple Whore, a hot surprise act for the boyz, Image Projection by Garth Knight, roving performances, go go boyz & girlz, "play stations" and a whole lot more!

While PERVdance encourages light BDSM e.g. flogging/spanking, bondage, discipline/role play etc, under the Licensing laws of NSW full nudity or penetrative sex is NOT allowed.

Tickets available at Karnal Leather, Sax Fetish, Gallery Serpentine & Reactor Rubber.
$40 + b/f or $45 on door.

Fetish Dress Code Applies
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We'll also be accepting PERVplay membership applications on the night and tickets will be available for PERVplay on Saturday 1st May.

To print off your membership application form - use the following link
www.pervevents.com/membership_form.htm

For the full low down visit www.pervevents.com
The PERVteam - Mon 29 Mar 2004 12:37:04

Tell us more ... was uncertain about a SLPA event being held there but great to hear it went well.

Anyone else have thoughts ofn the night?

What was the mix of crowd like?
Scaredy Cat - Mon 29 Mar 2004 13:48:58

Leather pride should be encouraged to repeat these events but they need to be a bit bigger in size. The Lava bar is a good venue and was busy enough but some people started to lose interest from about 3am on. I believe the main reason was that by then everybody had cruised everybody and realised that their options where limited. (Sex is an integral part of this scene.)
If both floors had have been used and the crowd upped to 300-400 it would have kicked on longer. A bit more lighting and some stronger bass speakers would help also.
See you at the next one...
- Mon 29 Mar 2004 16:28:55

If you are committed to dating and finding that special someone, don? let your past setbacks stop you from believing you can hit a home run each and every time.

If there isn? an event or party that you think is appropriate for singles to mingle, perhaps you could organise one? There? bound to be interest in the community and help is easy to find. If you want to take this on, you can count on me to help you with whatever you need to make it a success. What do you think?

Dear Dan Murphy,
Thanks for your advice, when advice comes like that from a cute dj like you is a big compliment, But you also know how the scene is very up them selves but every now and again you meet a bunch of nice people who accept you for who you are and not what they can do for you. I have freinds who work in the scene who are very real person and who I consider very wise. Just to let you know I went out on friday night and sort got out of my comfort zone and got a lot of confidence. But as I still am working out at the gym every day I am getting more confident. Will let people know how things go, but the one thing I have to do is stay away from Gaydar and Gay .com is does your head in some times and there is a lot of wierdos on there. Look forward to hearing your next set Dan,
pretty confused - Mon 29 Mar 2004 16:41:21

Carnal was pretty bad though... The system kept turning off during Neal Crawford's set, and the crowd was like walking with dinosaurs... at the phoenix by 2am, the shift by 4
- Mon 29 Mar 2004 17:48:34

music always gets better in the cooler months::WINTER, WHERE the **** are you?
cool - Mon 29 Mar 2004 23:05:10

Because he's part of Sydney's gay community, regardless of his own preferences, and, probably, because he was the right DJ for the job. Straight guys hanging out and forming friendships with gay guys should be encouraged surely?
Luke Leal - Tue 30 Mar 2004 00:31:34

If a stage 11 style party was to be held in a suburban venue like a leagues club or an RSL nightclub, featuring 2 or 3 DJ's maybe even all or some of those from Stage 11. Throw in lasers, cheap priced RSL drinks etc and a moderate cover charge to cover expevnsise like the sound, lighting and DJ costs. Would you travel to that suburban club to support it?

Only reason I am asking this is because it seems the Newtown and Oxford street clubs are either not interested in taking a chance on something like this or they are replacing thier DJ's with jukeboxes. So if the traditioonal gay areas are not interested in catering for us anymore, maybe it's time to find some new places in the suburbs where there are some great rooms going unused.

Please feel free to discuss.
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 05:37:47

A suburban RSL club will never work for the G&L Community. Theres too much stigma attached to venues in the suburbs to get the support of the G&L Community
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 06:13:32

But when I see all the space allocated to entertainment, I imagine it packed to the rafters with all my party brethren BUT then I remember what the club is all about--it's in remeberence of past defence force personnel and their families.

keep looking
lest we forget - Tue 30 Mar 2004 08:15:32

It would probably rest on your definition of suburban. @Newtown is actually the old Newtown Branch of the Petersham RSL done-up to do exactly the sort of thing you're talking about. You could conceivably see it happening at close-in" RSL's - Paddo, Randwick, Marrickville maybe, but can't see it being viable any further out.
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 08:49:36

Did anyone look into that for an option? I think a new venue other than stage 11 could have been used??
think outisde the box... - Tue 30 Mar 2004 08:51:15

That's certainly the basis on which they were set-up but they long ago stopped being just about Returned Servicemen. The average age of surviving World War II vets is about 85, they've had to broaden their marketing base to survive. Out in the burbs, many of them have become mega-entertainment and pokie palaces and, believe me, they'll book any function in order to meet the bottom line. I can't see loads of poofs and dykes descending in the average RSL, way out west but some of the inner suburbs places are possibilities - including @Newtown.
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 10:33:41

Nana Blade is a Sydney grrl who has been DJing in London for the past 6 years at events like the notorious "Girls On Decks" parties & the "Smartie Parties" held at the Ministry Of Sound in London.

These to DJs lovely craft an ecclectic set for your lazy Sunday afternoon.

Both of these girls are poised to take a big bite out of the scene, & will be joined by the guy who rocks the terrace at every Queer nation, Scott Pullen.

All welcome.

$5 Coronas * $5 Vodkas *$5 Entry

Sunday 4th April
5pm - 11pm
East Village Rooftop
234 Palmer St, Darlinghurst
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 12:19:59

@ newtown would be a great place as it as got away from the rsl concept, a RSL unfortunately wouldnt put up with the G and L, as a service man, I do understand where there small minds come from. But in the straight world retro nights always go off. When I was in london there was a club called Gay at astoria and it was on every weekend and always played the camp music and the songs you can dance too. I believe it would be good but like a once a month thing you dont want it too get too tired, but then isnt that what the dance party GAY is all about
pretty confused - Tue 30 Mar 2004 12:26:22

When @ Newtown opened they pretty much gave it to us on a platter as a new Gay venue in the inner west. They advertised in the gay press, hired gay staff etc.
On my first few visits there was a substantial gay clientel but this has been diminishing with each further visit.
If the old Ceasers crowd had discovered it we could have filled it every Friday and Saturday nights but that didnt happen.
Its still a great venue and would be perfect for one nighters. Someone should make use of it...
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 13:13:08

The attitude of the security at the venue was totally wrong and alienating to gays and, especially, lesbians. Not surprised it lost 'our' crowd. Cheap drinks and pool tables do not replace gay/lesbian friendly security.
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 14:38:50

I agree the venue is great... The securtiy has on all occasions been very friendly, and I even got checked out by one.

Did you go on a Tuesday, and maybe you were a little precious from a big weekend??

On all dealing I have found the club great, maybe a little under advertised but hopefully it will get there.
Love a new place - Tue 30 Mar 2004 16:12:28

I think the scenario must have changed since your experience. Us little Ear Pimps ran a Christa Hughes album launch at @newtown two weeks ago and all the bar staff/security were notable dykes-around-town, who treated Christa and us and the crowd wonderfully.

We even emailed the venue afterwards to specifically thank their security and bar staff for being some of the best we have encountered in more than a decade of running events in this town - and yes, bEATKID, it is a great room!

I hope @newtown is encouraged to join the meagre ranks of smaller, queer-friendly venues - and be in the good company of Icebox, Phoenix & 77 etc - that encourage nights to move beyond the formulaic gay-male oriented programming typified by Arq etc.
Craig - Ear Pimp/Hellfire/Octopussy etc. - Tue 30 Mar 2004 16:19:19

4 NEW RESIDENTS = 1 GREAT NEW LINE UP
KATE MONROE * TIM BLANCHARD * SVETA * SISTA P
with special guest STEPHEN ALLKINS

UP
Tim Blanchard 03/04
Kate Monroe 10/04
Stephen Allkins 17/04
with Paul Goodyear

DOWN
Sista P 03/04
Sveta 17/04
Neal Crawford 24/04
Kate Monroe 22/05
with Mark Alsop & Paul Goodyear

Morning Club with PETER FARRIS

ATTITUDE FREE SECURITY WITH
KATHY PAVLICH

$20 from 11pm
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 17:44:53

**** SPECIAL LIVE IDOL PERFORMANCES BY ***

COSIMA - THIS SATURDAY 3rd April
PAULINI - NEXT SATURDAY 10th April
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 17:47:23

Just for your info everybody...

Around November last year, I was contacted by management from the Enmore Theatre, who are currently managing @Newtown on behalf of Petersham RSL.

They were keen to continue on and pick up where Caesars Bar had left off.

The meeting took place late January, and, like myself, they were very anxious to get the whole thing up and going.

After the meeting, I told them to contact me with an opening date.

A month had past, and no answer.

6 weeks later, I got an email from the management explaining that they had no free nights to cater for this "Caesars Bar" continuation, and that they would be having further discussions with me in June of this year to talk about an opening date around late June, or early July.

Having worked in this industry for over 8 years, I was no fool to know that clearly, the venue was going to cash in on the success of Caesars Bar to see them through the quieter Winter period.

I had told them what I had suspected, and that I was not interested in waiting 6 months for something like this to begin, and also, I could not guarantee them, that it would be an immediate success, once again, due to the Winter period.

They didn't deny what I had suspected. They then put a proposal to have it run just "once-a-month" commencing March.

I rejected this proposal, after I had received one of their program guides in their letterbox drops.

Their program guide, for those of you that haven't see it, basically consists of mainly mainstream interstate and overseas acts performimg for 1 or 2 nights, which is very similar to acts that appear at the Enmore Theatre.

Nowhere on their program did they allocate a night for Night clubbing, regardless whether it was a gay, straight or mixed event.

My opinion is that the current management of @Newtown lack experience in the Club industry.

As a DJ, I cannot, and never have told an owner/manager of a venue how to run a business. However, I am convinced that the millions of dollars that Petersham RSL had invested, has so far, given them a minimal return.

Once again, this is just my opinion based on the dealings amd talks I have had with them.

I am anxious to see where this venue will head.
Justin Scott - Tue 30 Mar 2004 18:46:07

I agree. I saw a lot mention in the gay press about @Newtown and waited with bated breath for it to open with a bang. Nothing happened.

And I am still waiitng for them to put on a gay-themed night! The only thing I have noticed which is remotely gay/lesbian is "Dikes on Mikes". I was kind of hoping they would put something on around Mardi gras time, but in vain unfortunately. If you log on to their website, you will see that the crowd (I think) they are predominantly targeting is straight/cool/funky types, - regardless of the gay staff.

Its a shame because it really is a great space with a top atmosphere and friendly staff.

It'd make a great gay venue, but unfortunately I think it closes around 2am.

As for the old ceasars crowd...as far as I can tell they have dispersed...
- Tue 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48

surburban is the new black !!!!!

i'm there with bells on !!!
Ms Golightly - Tue 30 Mar 2004 19:03:44

I don't really care that every venue isn't a super-club, I like a choice.

Which pub in Petersham - Tue 30 Mar 2004 17:25:07 ?
la la la - Wed 31 Mar 2004 02:03:44

Cakeboy, I'ts safe to say that going to the Shift on a Saturday night regardless of a promotional title that you're bound to find a pack of people doing just that...
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 11:22:36

Is this a benchmark that can be applied in the ongong sex at parties discussion, ie sexual contact at parties is okay so long as it does not involve full nudity or penetration. Wonder how this will be applied at Inquistion???
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 11:44:26

The NSW Liquor Act doesn't have any reference to 'full nudity' or 'penetrative sex.' I assume that this is a boundaries interpretation that the party organisers are taking from the Act's only substantial reference to sexual behaviour which is a total ban on "indecent conduct," as follows:

Liquor Act 1982 No 147

125 Conduct on licensed premises

(1) A licensee shall not:
(a) permit his or her licensed premises to be used for the purposes of prostitution, or

(b) permit intoxication, or any indecent, violent or quarrelsome conduct, on his or her licensed premises.

The problem with the Act is not that it bans 'full nudity' or 'penetrative sex' as such. It's more that it leaves it wide open to the licensing police and the Court to establish "indecent" on the facts available to them, in each case.

For instance, the charges brought against Fox, following the Pride 2003 party maze episode, were brought under this section.

If PERVdance reckons that they can get away with flogging and fellatio in G strings on licensed premises, good luck to them I guess but if I were them I'd run it by the licensee first.
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 12:48:41

"we" prefer "uplifting" ? please dont speak for us
one mans uplifting is another mans annoying - Wed 31 Mar 2004 15:27:44

BACK ALLEY BEATS @ ARQ EVERY FRIDAY

STEPHEN ALLKINS & BEN DRAYTON

Enter via the back alley (just before the chemist)

9PM - 6AM

$10 from 11PM

$3.00 schooners til midnight
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 17:09:10

1. If Sydney Uni owns the building that Ceasars used to be in, then what do they use it for? What could they possibly use it for other than to rent out as a space for parties etc.? Why is it sitting there all boarded up and going to waste? It was an excellent space: 2 levels, dance area, pool table/pokies area, and a fabulously large beer garden to chill in.
To coin a phrase what a waste!

2. Perhaps somebody should draw Enmore Theatre and Petersham RSL's
management attention to this wall?

3. What did happen to Blu productions? Once again we were waiting, waiting
for the fab new club that never came..

For my two cents, its obvious that there is a market out there for this type of place, so why is it so difficult to get it up and running?
n!k - Wed 31 Mar 2004 17:13:07

ps - salvation was apparently great last time. but yes indulgence and qn are reliable winners too - indulgence my preference
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 17:27:34

Is this confirmed? Were charges actualy laid? If so, what happened?
Paul Diamondo - Wed 31 Mar 2004 18:04:05

Lil - I've emailed SLPA but they don't reply. Why does accepting new members have to stop 3 months before the end of the financial year? It makes no sense at all but will certainly make it harder for people to attend Inquisition. SLPA must be very confident of numbers. Hope they're right!
Paul Diamondo - Wed 31 Mar 2004 18:09:05

"Please don't touch GHB!!! I have had quite a few friends who have collapsed or have been so far out of it that their night has been ruined (and that of their concerned friends). I'm no wowser, and I use and abuse with the best (worst) of you. If you must try it ... do it without alcohol or other drugs!!!
Fri Jul 23 11:40:30 1999"

WOW !! G isnt a recent problem at all. Its been out there for more than 5 years now !!!
White Dove - Wed 31 Mar 2004 20:48:30

For my two cents, its obvious that there is a market out there for this type of place, so why is it so difficult to get it up and running?
n!k - Wed 31 Mar 2004 17:13:07

Actually, it's quite difficult to get a venue like this off the ground, and very expensive. Licensing regulations and procedures can be *very* tedious, in the best of times.

As for the old Caesars Bar venue, yes owned by Sydney Uni, you should check the DA relating to this. Yes, it's no longer to be used as a licensed venue, and is currently being converted into office space.

Also, I have approached @Newtown in regards to hosting events there (I'm in event management, myself) and they not only informed me that Enmore Theatre held their entertainment license and hence management all entertainment, but they also signalled that any major events would be unlikely to occur there. As Justin Scott said before, I can't see that place going anywhere all that fast - unless they decide to change their tune a bit.

As for Blu - well I can't really comment on them, really, but something tells me we haven't heard the last of them. Bare in mind that a new club opening this time of the year would be suicide.
marshall - Wed 31 Mar 2004 21:06:27

My understanding is that the charges weren't contested - which means that a a court case is avoided. In a way it was disappointing. It might have been better from a gay community perspective to have seen the charges brought before the Court and finally have the debate about definitions of indecency, gay culture and partying out in the open. It's the test case we need to have.
- Wed 31 Mar 2004 23:46:54

I'd bet the Carnal party will return some time after leather pride week ... during the quiet winter months would be fun
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 00:41:06

my fingers did the clicking and the SLPA phone number is right there on the website - or are you too scared to disconnect from the net in case you miss a bitching opportunity
mum says wash your hands and come have tea - Thu 1 Apr 2004 00:56:01

How true. You only have to look at the problems currently going on with a venue just down the road from ARQ to see how fast it takes to get an entertainment licence. The process there is curently entering it's 3rd month with no indication yet from the council as to when or if the licence will be approved.
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 04:04:26

Surely part of the issue here is that SLPA is a community organisation and pepole should not be joining a community organisation for the sole motivation of access to party tickets.
Not Lil but an SLPA member - Thu 1 Apr 2004 08:00:12

I was walking past Taylors Square about an hour ago and there was a HUGE fire coming out of ARQ.

There were 3 fire engines parked outside and they were pumping in thousands of litres of water. I walked passed and apparently a huge explosion started off the fire.

This is a tragedy. Will we survive without ARQ ? This is horrible.

I'm in shock.
Andy Floyd - Thu 1 Apr 2004 08:17:26

Well, if a venue is persistant and they genuinely want a license, then most of the time they will get what they want, or not far from it - but as you said, it can take a long time (and hence lots of legal costs, solicitor and court fees). The cost of setting up a decent venue which people would actually want to go is expensive enough, let alone possibly adding tens of thousands of dollars to that cost - just to be able to open your doors and trade.

Also remember that you can't actually apply for a license until you have a signed tenancy agreement. So yes, you start paying for the rent before you have a license. No license for 3 or 4 months, or maybe longer? Dead investment, dead loss.

So unless you've got a few hundred thousand dollars to burn, and a strong capital backing to financially sustain the first hard months - it's not viable.
marshall - Thu 1 Apr 2004 08:48:23

At least make it at least believable.... very poor attempt at an April Fool.
Yawn!! - Thu 1 Apr 2004 09:39:46

Midnight Shift downstairs has a strong GAM presence on Friday and Saturday nights. If you like top 40 pop, then you'll be in heaven....
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 11:59:13

Firstly, just how discrete could the sex have been if it was witnessed...Secondly, Carnal was first staged at the Roof Top Kings Cross in 1998 when Craig Ingrey was Pres as there was an opportunity to stage more than one leather party a year which was pretty much the case at the time. When he left and started the Black Parties Carnal seemed to have stopped, except for one I recall a couple of years ago at The Dendy. Carnal could be a success if instituted back into the party calendar but it's all about being organised. As fror joining SLPA for the sole motivation for access to tickets, well nothings changed there. The main benefit of becoming a member is discounts and access to events. Let's face it, there's little else to gain bar be subjected to dull meetings and ghe occassional booze up.
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 12:31:46

You are so right White Dove. It was the end of May 1999 that Annie's Bar had that famous Sunday afternoon where Police Rescue, Ambulances, Fire Brigade and GD Police all were in attendance due to multiple G drops.

There is nothing new about some people insisting on threatening our venues. After the 7.30 Report last week, it's now very, very public and there is no way that our politicians can't demand action if the sad trend of ambulance fleets to hosiptals from our parties continues.

The sadest thing is that G has made it to the 'open' age parties like Two Tribes and Utopia. It's one thing for adults at our venues and parties abusing the drug but 13-17 year olds?
NY's Yogi Spy - Thu 1 Apr 2004 14:33:54

What other motivation would there be for the vast majority of SLPA members to join SLPA were it not for enhanced access to Inquisition tickets? Were there to be no Inquisition Party, I'd suggest that the SLPA membership would probably consist of 50-100 people at most
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 14:52:09

In this particular instance, it's an established club whose licence expired due to a clerical error. I know it's a stupid circumstance but renewing an existing licence taking more than 3 months? That is outrageous.
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 15:53:42

Seymour is very cute and one hell of a nice guy as well. Oh and he can DJ a bit too!!
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 20:09:00

I refer to the picture of DJ Seymour Butts on the front page of the April 1 , 2004 edition of SSO. I'm sorry but wanky photos of DJ's posing wearing their headphones just make me laugh so much. The photo appears to be outdoors as well which make the headphones accessory in the picture even more silly. The photo actually makes the participant look like a total nerd ! SSO gets a big zero out of 10 for that picture in this writers opinion.
White Dove - Thu 1 Apr 2004 20:45:40

Why is that so amusing? The headphones denote the fact they are DJ's. Makes sense to me, anyway.
- Thu 1 Apr 2004 22:52:45

Hi Everyone

Over the past few weeks we have received several emails enquiring about Blu and when it might be open.

Blu is hoping to still open. Just before Christmas 2003 an email was sent out advising that one of the investors had pulled out and that a new investor was needed. We sadly have not managed to find that investor to date.

We do however have every intention of still seeking out potential interested parties. And we know that people would prefer for us to open our doors in a sound and safe financial standing - so as to avoid any early demise.

We apologise for the inconvenience this is causing and also seek your assistance. If you know of anyone looking to invest some spare capital into a new and needed venture, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Hopefully, we will see you sometime 2004.

Blu Entertainment.
bah - i never looked good in blu anyways - Thu 1 Apr 2004 23:17:14

These sorts of pictures look wanky and pretentious. The article in SSO is about the person and if you read the article you'd know its about DJ's / DJ'ing.

Put simply the picture looks stupid and its an outdoors picture as well which makes it look stupider (is that a word) ?

Who goes around walking outside with headphones on the shoulders anyway ? Such unrealism !!
- Fri 2 Apr 2004 06:32:51

The crowd is a mixture of guys and girls from the hospitality and club industry who?e just finished work and are ready to party. There are also those kick-starting the weekend with a cheeky drink and free pool, and naturally the clubbers who don? let sunrise end their Friday night? partying.

Luke Fry and myself spin a mix of all things uplifting with dose of dark??irty added for good measure.

Come down for a drink, a dance and to check out our stylish host Eric Lewis?ever-changing chic creations.
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Dan Murphy - Fri 2 Apr 2004 10:16:51

Go P&T.
- Fri 2 Apr 2004 10:39:18

Does anyone else think the DJ shots where djs pretend they're catwalk models being shot close up are a bit much? I have noticed that serious "look into the distance with a little displaced menace" look all over dj interviews and nightclub event promotions over the past few years. It would be great to see some slightly out there people, or unpretentious looks on show. They are DJs first-up aren't they???
- Fri 2 Apr 2004 17:50:44

Alex Taylor special guest DJ with Kate Monroe, come and hear Sydney's favourite house DJ's at Odyssey House.

--- FREE entry before 7pm and Odyssey Lounge now has Tap BEER ---

Odyssey House
191 Oxford St
6pm to 1am
2 for 1 cocktails 6pm to 8pm
- Fri 2 Apr 2004 18:32:40

Cats....empty milk bowl....strong meow-like vocalisations. Seymour is a nice guy, a hot guy and a good DJ. How a photographer might choose to pose a subject is entirely over to her/him. Take it up with the SSO.
- Fri 2 Apr 2004 21:03:29

could not agree more. Seymour definately doesn't deserve the crap he's getting from this.

I thought the pic was great and he deserves all the exposure and success he gets. He is one of Sydneys nicest, most genuine guys and incredible to watch behind the decks.
- Sat 3 Apr 2004 18:02:43

As one of the posters you mention I guess I was is no way bagging seymour, he is ace, and yes a nice guy too as you have mentioned. didn't mean to give him crap if that is the way it came across.

was just giving djs grief for their slightly vacuous model-esque pics. anyway, i liked seymour's pic and didn't even notice the headphones as he looked sweet in the shot.... just responding the the discussion at hand - dj photography
- Sat 3 Apr 2004 18:24:48

Bought some for the next one as a surprise for the boyfriend.
His words, "we are to old for this it will be twink land".

I realise that all parties attract a mixture of age groups but could someone advise on the predominant demographic at the previous parties.
Cheers!
- Sat 3 Apr 2004 18:28:09

The 'wretched Monday work thing' equally applies to the weekend for some of us.
must - go - out - more - Sat 3 Apr 2004 19:22:58

I disagree there seems to be quite a buzz for queer nation but it is the big queer nation every one is looking forward to, with the horden, dome and city live. There are so many rumours going about big queer nation, looks like the old ways are coming back. But it is going to be a busy couple of months, with queer nation, Toy Box, Gay and then big queer nation a month apart, I hope there is not too many events before sleaze,
scooby - Sat 3 Apr 2004 20:01:31

SPACE is above Shark Bar. There have been quite a few parties there now in the last 4 months, but I haven't been to any. I have read that the venue itself is quite empty so the promoters need to work on decorations etc.
FiremanSam - Sat 3 Apr 2004 20:26:39

Even though I had a great time at NMG , I felt cheated in the Hordern. NMG advertised that they would split the Hordern style with the Dome style but can assure there was no typical hardstyle in the Hordern that nite, all tribal. No offence to the DJ's but if its advertised ( and it was on their website ) then I dont think its much too ask to have it.

I'm sure I'll get a few get a few good hardstyle sets from Big QN and some
room to move.........yeee haaaa.
Cant wait - Sun 4 Apr 2004 11:01:22

fyi - shark bar used to be the whole venue, then space (i don't know if it is another owner, or just a sub-club) is what the top floor of it became

trance IS daggy (but more like boring these days for lack of good new ideas injected into it) - must ask, did you really need a chic foreigner to tell you that? here's a good leading question - Do I Like This? think for yourself and develop pop-trend free taste for yourself. liking music because it is chic is pretty sheep-like, consumer-driven and daggy in itself.

trance lovers- love it. forget this post - music is for us all whatever our tastes!
- Sun 4 Apr 2004 11:33:28

Just wanting to know as I am still waiting, and it says on the website released on the 17 Mar 2004. Didn't want to email and complain if they had not been sent?

Any info?
Cant wait to check it out... - Mon 5 Apr 2004 10:38:42

Toybox regularly is attended by boys and girls from 18 to 50+. Totally wide and diverse crowd who love the music, the atmosphere, and leave the G at home. Definately not a twink party, although there are always some cuties for good eye candy.
- Mon 5 Apr 2004 12:00:02

Dear Can't Wait, I believe the City Live space will be the house room & a marquee is being set up for the retro/handbag sound...

Big Queer Nation will put big parties back on the map. Woohoo!
- Mon 5 Apr 2004 12:35:01

A very well put together party, and no... i'm not a promoter for it....
I'm no twink... - Mon 5 Apr 2004 14:56:03

If it's open this Friday, grab a quick meal, grab the brother and head off to HQ.
- Mon 5 Apr 2004 15:48:18

Date: Sat May 15

Venue:
Stage 11 (City Live - Fox Studio's) with marquee for 1000 people

DJ's (Stage 11):
Mike Kelly
Mandy Rollins Vs DJ Fiesty
Neal Crawford

DJ's (Marquee):
Sveta
Justin Scott
Sandy Hotrod

I think I have it right. If not, someone please correct me.
JS - Mon 5 Apr 2004 16:31:36

DJ Fiesty

Yes JS I think you have it right too - except perhaps for a minor detail. Feisty is the correct spelling for this DJ.
- Mon 5 Apr 2004 18:13:06

Oops! Thanks for correcting it :)

Someone should tell my English teacher that the saying "i comes before e except after c" doesn't always apply.

My apologies to DJ Feisty too.
JS - Mon 5 Apr 2004 21:20:10

Ben Drayton, Stephen Allkins, Feisty, Dayla, Mark Murphy, Mandy Rollins & Sveta.

10PM - 6AM> $10 Entry

PHOENIX -The Exchange Hotel -34 Oxford St. Darlinghurst.
phoenix posse - Tue 6 Apr 2004 00:53:27

No live DJ this time thanks to the council delays in renewing the licence.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 06:44:08

Any comments on lighting and security? These were the two concerns last year. And will SLPA permit new members if tickets remain unsold? Surely they want to fill the venue? This party has to be a success.
Paul Diamondo - Tue 6 Apr 2004 07:47:43

I like that line-up as well
deep cover - Tue 6 Apr 2004 11:23:36

If you haven't already had the opportunity to enjoy one of clubland's best kept secrets, come & check out Smooch on the rooftop at East Village (234 Palmer St, Darlinghurst), just a 2 minute stumble from Taylor Square.

Smooch has played host to the finest DJs this city has to offer, including Stephen Allkins, Alex Taylor, Junior B, Lexie Bradfield, Mike Kelly, Nana Blade & so on.

Cut & paste this address to check out the sweeping 360 view from the rooftop.

http://www.eastvillage.com.au/12.html

Add to this a friendly crowd, $5 Coronas & $5 vodkas & you have the ingredients for a great night.

Resident DJs Peter Fam, Renae Stanton & Scott Pullen.

Smooch is also giving away a lucky door prize of 2 Queer Nation tix for Easter Sunday!!!

$5 Entry.

SUNDAYS 5pm - 11pm

All welcome.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 12:36:50

Not too much info yet, but watch this space..............
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 13:03:38

According to Luke Leal's website, he's playing back2back with Neal Crawford from 1am-3am. I'd guess that it'll be Jake Kilby 10pm-1am, Alan Thompson from 3am-5/6am, and Alex Taylor from 5/6am-8am.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 13:31:45

why not. Inquisition has never been an exclusively gay/lesbian party.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 13:54:52

Kens at Kensington is open and has djs playing 5 - 10pm. Hot!
hot cross buns! - Tue 6 Apr 2004 14:02:11

Why the hell not??
Am I meant to be having sex up on stage or playing music?
Think about what you said as I would be interested to know what sexual preference has to with our music?
neal crawford (btw nealcrawford.com is now on line for anyone interested in hearing about up and coming events etc) - Tue 6 Apr 2004 14:20:50

I know of Ruby and his nights are AMAZING, but Is it true there is only Ruby who plays trance for the gay crowd?

I now tend to leave clubs where every second song is either Brittany, Whittney or Kylie.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 14:32:17

Probably because they play well.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 14:50:06

Has any party??
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 14:53:15

My point exactly... but we'll see the question comes again for MG and Sleaze and Azure and Queer Nation and etc etc etc...
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 15:29:16

this has been alresdy been discussed and answered by Luke Leale in an earlier posting
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 15:33:07

re:
I was Wondering if there are any Dj's that play Trance music in Sydney?????
I mean real trance as in Tiesto, Above & Beyond etc..

real trance is not limited to commercial euphoric trance babe. unfortunately if that is all you like, maybe see ryan murphy who takes a similar tack to ruby.

check out dj mark murphy sydney's best trance dj (nb he plays electro too so make sure you get him at the right party if you aren't into electro).

there are also heaps of psy-trance events on.

and, luke leal, neal crawford, chip, and others play trance -for the gay scene- go and check these guys out - you will be surprised at how good they are at it if you are only making an entry into the gay trance scene.

if you aren't into their musical diversity, walk up and ask when a trance bracket might be coming your way.... they're all quite friendly
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 16:22:10

This weekend there are 2 Trance nights.
Thursday night @ Arq has Matt Darey and Ruby
Sunday Night - Classic Anthems @ Space (Stephen Simpson, Ruby, Ric Dreske)

Then Anzac Weekend - Toybox is on the Sunday (Steven Hales, DJ Josh) <-- SOLDOUT
Then I believe the Shift will be doing a recovery to Toybox - Twilight (which dare i say it, will have more trance)

Unfortunately there isn't a regular weekly trance night, but there are still plenty of oppurtunites to hear trance.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 16:28:51

Maybe i'm curious. Think about that!
neal crawford - Tue 6 Apr 2004 17:37:39

Uplifting Trance Room 2 - Melodic, Progressive and Tech Trance
DJ Elemence (World Number 1 Bedroom Banger, Pulse Radio Resident DJ)
DJ Muli (Gods Kitchen - Sydney, Transmission, Halcyon, H2O)
DJ Scott Richardson (A Night of Trance Resident DJ)

The flyer is here http://trancetribe.com/images/advertising/nightoftrance5.jpg
Touch the Lasers - Tue 6 Apr 2004 17:51:09

Ignore him Neal. Sure he is entitled to his opinion but GiT said it all. Does
Baffle only queue at the supermarket for a gay Cashier ? or at a Store for a
gay server ? or when ringing a company ask for a gay receptionist/sales person ? the list goes on.............

If you dont like them purely because they are straight and not because the are loved by the community, go sit in the gutter for their set.
It really does make you roll your eyes :) - Tue 6 Apr 2004 18:55:30

I took Baffled's bemusement to be directly related to the fact that Inquisition is a tribal celebration of men who love men and women who love women, out on the edge of the poof/dyke experience. It's a membership-based party that quite specifically aims at a hard core of gay and lesbian people who take great pride in their distinct identity. It's got absolutely nothing to do with excluding people as such. It's more about focussing primarily on the inclusion of those who share the same values. To suggest that this automatically translates into some sort of anti-straight apartheid is a total misreading of Baffled's point.

It's not about normal life - queuing at the supermarket or demanding a gay receptionist, etc. It's about a one-off celebration of a quite distinct sexual/tribal identity. It's absolutely not unreasonable to be surprised that the focus at such an event would be on DJ's who weren't part of the same subculture. Inquisition is not just another 'gay party.' If you think it is, you shouldn't be there - gay or straight.
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 21:59:21

Sveta ain't straight......
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 22:08:40

I just need Lasers! hehehe
- Tue 6 Apr 2004 22:38:36

how funny you are "baffled". my bf will testify to the fact i am gay, as will sveta's girlfriend. seems like sydney is working on neal crawford's status, but don't worry neal, you are cool as you are
mike - Tue 6 Apr 2004 23:22:34

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sveta's WHAT ? gee her girlfriend's going to be surprised <g>
- hey honey, check it out, boys still get confused when a cool chick wears some lippy
mum says wash your hands - Wed 7 Apr 2004 02:04:30

They were quite relieved when I pointed out my partner shaking his groove thing out on the dance floor.

It really doesn't make any difference what the sexual preference of the DJ is, if the music is good simply enjoy the night.
Shanobear - Wed 7 Apr 2004 07:47:24

Happy Easter Campers!!
As mad as a Hatter!! - Wed 7 Apr 2004 08:18:51

When I enjoy a party the most is when I feel I can trust the DJs. Stop worrying, trust the DJ, it'll all be good.
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 09:27:17

However, the the posted statement re Inquisiton being for men who love men and women who love women etc is quiet wrong. Inquisiton is about celebrating diversity in sexuality and is an example of a lifesyle of like minded people who ultimately prefer to be referred to as Trysexual. Try anything once that is. It is all inclusive and non exclusive sexually and has very little to do with being gay or lesbian. It is a Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender organisation as stated by their constitution and I can assure you that the DJ selection has NOTHING to do with what hole they prefer but rather whether the individual can pull off a set to a crowd who have the highest expectations when it comes to music. Remember that it's a more sophisticated crowd both in age and attitude to your regular club experience and very demanding indeed.
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 11:36:08

Set times can be found on http://www.queernation.com.au/
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 11:40:46

i appreciate your concern that trance's totally inappropriate dominance of the main room at QN will be challenged, but as shown by lisa german's set at the last QN and the promoter's choice to again challenge the trance formula, perhaps trance is not all the people want. personally everytime i walk into that place and hear trance playing i flee upstairs in the hope that some great funky or tribal music will be played. no disrepect to trance lovers or djs, but do you really think trance deserves to solely rule a party's main floor, especially when the party is so packed you can't do much more than wiggle on the floor?

anyway, gripe over. alan thompson is a sensational dj whose style of funky house is super driving and i really hope you do comment on his set afterwards to let me know just how misguided your impressions of him are. yes he is playing peak time, so get over it, and go peak to him... wish i was there
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 12:03:24

what the hell is that meant to mean ?
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 12:12:11

Yes, you'll hear mainly commercial/cheesy vocal trance at the trance-dominated gay parties such as Ruby. Sunday nights at Arq are quite good if you like your trance slightly less commercial/cheesy. As for the straight scene, it's mainly hard trance (and I'm not joking when I say the trance is hard) or house/breaks. As for Tiesto-like trance, I think the best option is to go see the man himself at Home on 1st May....

Regarding sets in the main room at QN:

I don't have a problem with a well known funky house DJ playing the main room of QN. However, at present, house will be playing in three of the four rooms at peak time (main floor, classic house anthems in the old girls-only room, and deep house on the top floor). That's great if you like house, but for someone like me who goes to QN to hear some uplifting trance at peak time it's a bit of a let-down. It would make more sense to me to have Alan Thompson playing in one of the house rooms if he absolutely has to play at peak time, or alternatively making one of the other rooms a trance room for the night and making the main room a house room for the night....
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 13:43:54

every gay man i know is in LOVE with neal crawford. that's all:)
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 13:46:20

I think it means that any gay boy who has ever seen Neal C wishes he was a homo:o))))
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 13:49:14

Remember where you heard it first.
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 14:03:45

Saturday 1st May.

Due to the fantastic response to this forthcoming event, we will shortly be closing our membership list. So this is your last call to get your applications in now. Membership is required to ensure only like-minded people with a genuine interest in BDSM attend.

PERVplay is a new play/dance event with the emphasis on hardcore BDSM play, "limits on play are the ones you sensibility set for yourselves". Housed over 3 rooms in our new alternative underground venue "The Nuthouse" in Ultimo.

In the club room DJ's Sveta & Mark Murphy will take you on a deep, dark and sexy journey with live hardcore performances. The lounge room has ample seating to rest or socialise between playing sessions - alcohol available. Lastly our play room comes with a maze for you to explore with a variety of play equipment for your pleasure and pain.

Fetish Dress Code Applies

To obtain your membership simply print off your application form using the following link www.pervevents.com/membership_form.htm Complete the application form and return it to, P0 Box 408, Alexandria, NSW 2015.

For the full low down on PERVevents visit www.pervevents.com
The PERVteam - Wed 7 Apr 2004 14:12:00

THURSDAY
UK TRANCE DJ MATT DAREY with our own RUBY
Dan Murphy & the Disco Dollies downstairs
9PM - 4:30AM

SATURDAY
PAULINI (from Australian Idol) performing Live
KATE MONROE in the Arena with PAUL GOODYEAR
9PM - 8AM

SUNDAY DAY RECOVERY
Arena: Paul Goodyear & Luke Leal
Vortex: Peter Farris & Jimmy Dee
8AM - Close

SUNDAY
CHRISSY AMPHLETT performing live upstairs
PLUS: UP CLOSE & INTIMATE : Live with Piano - Chrissy sings some old and new material in a show direct from New York.
with GREG BOLADIAN, JOSH & LUKE LEAL
Vortex: DAN MURPHY, JAKE KILBY & PAUL GOODYEAR
9PM - 8AM

MONDAY DAY RECOVERY
Arena: Luke Leal & Neal Crawford
Vortex: Peter Farris & Jimmy Dee
8AM - Close
Chrissy Amphlett - Wed 7 Apr 2004 14:56:40

Please: about 0.05% of Inquisition attendees would "prefer to be known as "trysexual." Inquisition is overwelmingly about leather men who are into men and leather women who are into women. A fact which in no way, precludes bisexual and transgender people from being an integral part of the Inquisition tribe - nor should it. I think you're confusing Inquisition with pansexual fetish events like Hellfire etc.

I don't think anyone should have to declare their sexuality at the door but neither should we - in the interests of politically correct myth-making - have to deny the fact that a predominantly gay and lesbian leather crowd is the tribal foundation upon which SLPA and Inquisition is built. Anyone who can share in - and add to - the Inquisition tribal vibe should be able to participate but let's not deny the truth about who we are. It's perfectly OK to be a poof or dyke who is into leather. Really....
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 15:00:35

I think you are hammering to the wrong people seeing as Sydney queens can't even let got of retro yet, we'll see chessy trance for years to come!
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 16:51:20

Retro is fun. Why should we "let go of it". It was afterall the most successful and talked about space at mardi gras. I suspect they'll be more of it for years to come as well.
Get off your high horse music snobbery soap box - Wed 7 Apr 2004 17:24:58

Well, once actually. And "tribal" twice.
- Wed 7 Apr 2004 18:30:51

And top_u_hard - can you let us all know where it is stated that Trance is here to stay ? virtually no music is here to stay. All styles have their use by
date. Some like the Retro people still love that style from 10-20 years ago as will trance still have its followers. Who knows what the next style will be ? but it will hang around for 2-5 years and be gone and replaced and so on.

But more importantly - who cares ?

I hope Big QN keep the Hordern like they do main floor of home ie a harder
style of music as they have in the past which has always had the floor way too
packed. I'll be glad of some extra room with the Horderns floor. This harder style is often called Trance/hardhouse/psy-trance/acid trance/hrd nrg etc etc
and I love most of . Actually for the average punter they are hard to tell apart anyway.
Bring it on - Wed 7 Apr 2004 18:48:32

ARQ is $5 on the door Thursday night. Ruby will be playing the Arena from 10pm to 12, then Matt Darey plays from 12 to 3am, followed by Ruby again from 3am to 4.30am.

I reckon $5 for Matt Darey and Ruby is great value. Hope a happy crowd of uplifting trance lovers come along, because it should be a great night, even with the early finish.
jeffgg - Wed 7 Apr 2004 21:43:46

Hey Molly, it's about time you went talent scouting for DJ's instead of (source) musicians
now - going - out - more - Thu 8 Apr 2004 09:48:01

This makes me despair because I thought we had advanced beyond that. This must be a wind-up or perhaps you have misunderstood Mike Kelly's warmth towards his straight fans, maybe?

Mike Kelly is playing at the Civic from 11pm onwards and I will be there. Mike has a loyal fan base because he doesn't discriminate. It's a pity that YOU do, though.

It's not baffling. It's politically and socially sound. But most importantly, it's NOT DEVISIVE.
deep cove - Thu 8 Apr 2004 10:02:07

I saw Matt Darey last time a few months back at ARQ and he was fantastic!

Red Raw looks great.. I wish I could be there!
Craigy - Thu 8 Apr 2004 12:58:02

now that is a very wet mental image :O) hehe
- Thu 8 Apr 2004 13:48:02

Way too much info again ET
Ms RealityBites - Thu 8 Apr 2004 14:26:12

Are u going to go to Big QN ? cause if u are, this time we'll get Ms Golightly,
Paul Diamondo, Shanobear and other regulars who might be going to meet at the
beginning of the night. Trying to meet at 8am is way past my bedtime and others have either scored or lost their way by then.

Having a very quiet one on my own for the Easter break, maybe a movie or maybe
just the sofa.
T. - Thu 8 Apr 2004 15:21:04

No points for stupidity!
Craigy - Thu 8 Apr 2004 15:43:57

Unfortunately T, at this stage I'll be a no show for big QN. It sounds like brilliant fun and a great idea to meet some of the regulars early but it's possible that I will have commitments elsewhere that night.

If my plans fall through, then it could be my first time at QN.
Shanobear - Thu 8 Apr 2004 16:08:06

try calling the shift about indulgence tickets. they weren't quite sold out yesterday, but not sure how many they've sold today

good luck
- Thu 8 Apr 2004 16:16:00

I have now regained my post-Amphlett-news dignity. Pass the Bolly, I'm to the ballet!
Evil Twin - Thu 8 Apr 2004 16:18:49

2000-10,000? Surely I don't have to rush out for a ticket??
- Thu 8 Apr 2004 16:27:21

Euphoric Trance - Commercial euphoric Trance - Electro Trance - Psy Trance - Epic Trance - Uplifting Trance - Melodic Trance - Progressive Trance - Tech Trance - Hard Trance - Banging hard Trance - Cheesy Trance - Commercial cheesy vocal Trance etc...PHEW!

Average punter!! I challenge even RUBY to allocate a track to each of these styles....
Can't Dance to Trance - Thu 8 Apr 2004 17:23:13

by the way, don't forget (amongst others)
Deep Trance - It's Our Future (carl cox remix) - Awex - Plastic City
Minimal Trance - Out Here (original mix) - Ariel (A7)
Rave Trance - Are Am Eye? (commander tom 99 remix) - Commander Tom (Noom)
Tech Trance - Thrill Me (kid's nightmare mix) - Junior Jack - (Play It Again Sam)
keep going guys. can we add vocal and instrumental to all these categories too? - Thu 8 Apr 2004 18:04:45

Gee Shanobear, what else could be more important than BQN?
Oh, and by the way, did I mention I'm playing there?
*cheeky grin*
Justin Scott - Thu 8 Apr 2004 18:06:55

can't believe you would miss that LOL!
- Thu 8 Apr 2004 20:15:45

In that case Justin, I will definately be there if possible!

Will the glamourous Ms Bottom be in attendence that night? We had such a great time dancing with Sandy at Stage 11.
Shanobear - Thu 8 Apr 2004 20:16:22

anyhow, venturing to Salvation on Saturday night cause i liked the music at the last one (if i can just find where i left my ticket)...though Evil Twin's bolly and ballet idea sounds dreadfully tres chic...nothing goes with a ballet dancer's...ahem...support, shall we say, like a cheeky glass of sparkling...ta ta for now
Ms Golightly - Fri 9 Apr 2004 14:47:18

Thanks for the compliment - Greatly appreciated :)
As you can see, my Top 10 basically covers most music styles ie from Funk to House to Commercial to Vocal Trance to Hand Bag. It is made up of everything from dancefloor crowd-pleasers, to requests, and even some of my own personal favourites thrown in.

As for partying in Kings Cross, you shouldn't let that put you off. I get told by many Venus regulars, that these days, they actually feel safer in the Cross rather than Oxford St. Also, most Fri & Sat nights, the venue is filled to capacity, so I guess in some ways, it's worth the $5 cab far from Darlinghurst.

However, having said that, if you still feel unsure about the Cross, don't despair, as I have just finished negotiations to play for hwat will be a new and exciting gay Inner West venue due to open mid May early June.

As this is still under wraps, I can't say very much, except to say that it is a purpose-built Nightclub, and not a Pub.

In the meantime, if you can dodge the "working girls" and Strip Club bouncers, call into the Venus Room and say hi... I love a chat and a drink in-between mixes!
Justin Scott - Sat 10 Apr 2004 07:24:01

Justin, a couple of weeks ago I witnessed 2 acts of violence as I went to visit a mate in KX so I cannot agree with you on that one BUT it's probably just a case of bad timing; It is nice to know that others don't see it that way because the 'cross does have party potential. Especially Mansions - I asked the publican why he doesn't turn into a nightclub--he said the pokies make more money. Good luck with your inner-west venture and I hope to you soon
a FUDJ member (The United Friends of the Disk Jockeys) - Sat 10 Apr 2004 10:37:31

Paul Dillon's article in SSO [Drugs | Mushrooms], incorrectly states "... if you have a bad trip, you will just have to ride it out"

This is NOT always true. If possible, keep some Valium (Rx) handy if this is your idea of fun; it will bring you down from at least LSD [if you can find some], mushrooms & Ketamine BUT always do your research first and as PD says, Don't be blase etc.
Dr Rx - Sat 10 Apr 2004 12:18:15
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

self appointed DJ critic - Sat 10 Apr 2004 12:21:37
Checked out downstairs first and Dan had the place pumping as always I revisted down there a couple of times and the crowd was always thick and were lovin it. Upstairs the place was pretty packed as expected and Darey seemed to really nail it about 2/3 way through his set...finished with a beautiful classic ;-) and received a big applause. Then Ruby took over to finish the night off and started with some really uplifting tracks unfortunately about 4:30 the crowd started to thin a little bit so I headed outside for a breather. I was lucky because they kicked everyone out at 4:45 (I asked a friend who works behind the bar who said it was Good Friday rules) - and this resulted in a crowd of about 500 very confused punters on Flinders St.

Does anyone know what the ambulance was for that arrived when the place was closing? (~4:45am Fri morning)
Andrew - Sat 10 Apr 2004 12:35:57

Yes....but note of caution: if you think someone is having a prolonged bad drug experience - particularly if it's worsening - it's always safer to seek medical advice rather than just doing a Valium and hoping for the best.
- Sat 10 Apr 2004 16:23:22

Hmmm... No wonder gaydar was flat chat at 5am Friday morning :P
White Dove - Sat 10 Apr 2004 16:24:40

Is it all about following the latest trends from other countries? I think not. If the party people down here are enjoying trance then may it live on. I don't care what the rest of the world is doing if me and my friends don't enjoy it. Plus... I think you're mistaken - friends in Europe tell me trance is alive and well. Music styles and trends come and go... the only criteria people should have is if THEY like it and I pity people who go by anything else.
Campbell - Sat 10 Apr 2004 17:15:45

Sorry Sat 10 Apr 2004 10:38:00 I didn't know till I saw jeffgg's post that Darey and Ruby swapped more than once.....my apologies!
Andrew. - Sat 10 Apr 2004 17:23:21

Oh no! We're doing something in Australia that the rest of the world isn't? For shame! What a truly terrible thing.....
Cultural Cringe - Sat 10 Apr 2004 19:30:48

For eg I had the pleasure to go to Red Raw at the beginning of the year, Which is Melb big Dance party, I didnt like it at all the music was crap and keep on changing tempo but that was just me. I then went to the first raw hide the next day. It was so good, they had Neal Crawford, Luke Leal and Dan Murphy playing in seperate rooms at the same time and it was great, as you walked from room to room you notice the change in every thing, guess that is what the music is all about.

But you did notice when the Djs changed to Melb and Bris it was very different. But the clubs do advertise what Djs are playing and you should know by now what kind of music they will have.

But every one has an opinion which what makes the world go around. I have a few friends who are djs and I know that when they make mixes that is sometimes take at least 3 hours or more to mix one song. If you think they do that with a lot of there songs a lot of hard work to entertain us.
SammyD - Sat 10 Apr 2004 22:39:55

Should I go to Queer Nation or Arq?????
Dont want to waste my hard earned $$$$
Home is a huge venue so dont want to go if they dont fill it.
Any ideas????? Pls
LM - Sat 10 Apr 2004 22:49:06

Classic/Anthems Room
Shigeki 10-12.30
Jimmy Dee 12.30 -3
Chip - 3-6

Silver
Kelly Lynch 11-1
Mandy Rollins 1-3.30
Feisty 3.30-5.30

Terrace
Junior B 10-1
Scott Pullen/Renae 1-4
Kate Monroe 4-7

There you go :)
queer as - Sat 10 Apr 2004 23:08:53

The ambulance was what is known as an Arq Taxi. G whiz, need I say more.
- Sat 10 Apr 2004 23:33:49

Thanx for the advice mate........Sounds like the thing to do!
Just picked up my tix............BRING ON THE NITE!!!
LM - Sun 11 Apr 2004 13:37:53

Stay home with a good DVD and save some money (and your sanity)
Easter is supposed to be a holy weekend - Sun 11 Apr 2004 15:55:52

Ms Golightly, the ballet was excellent stuff, and the dancers worked really hard and beautifully. And yes, the boys were, um, quite lithe with supple strength and certainly had the attention of the two men at the end of our row. Next up, Swan Lake. It's always nice to get off The Strip for an evening and enjoy the rest of Sydney.

Could well get to ARQ tonight (fingers crossed) for Ms Amphlett, if we leave the suburban BBQ and egg hunt at a reasonable time.
Evil Twin - Sun 11 Apr 2004 16:20:51

Evil Twin - thanks for the review...may have to venture out in search of some foine kulcha myself
Ms Golightly - Sun 11 Apr 2004 19:20:53

We need a retro venue on a regular basis and I think you're the perfect person to lead the campaign.

I'm sorry but all these club nights over Easter do nothing for me.

I'm sorry I cant get my head out the previous decade. And Frankly why should I ?
Retro Man - Sun 11 Apr 2004 21:12:17

I say no less challenging as I have several reservations about it and though it may sound like sacrelige coming from me...well, basically, i don't think a retro night on a regular basis would work (disclaimer about zero organisational/promotion knowledge and exerience goes here) .

First, if I understand new mardi gras' objective in initiating the retro hall at MG was to attract a demographic that no longer attended the parties given a lack of familiarity with current music (a number of posters on previous MG walls raised this point as well). The key question is then, would this demo suddenly return to clubbing, nights out on the strip etc, if a dedicated retro night operated? The mix of punters in Stage 11 was surprisingly young and diverse, suggesting there may be a broader audience than that for retro, but i have doubts over whether numbers could be sustained on a regular basis.

Second, it is very hard to imagine one of the majors (clubs) departing from the largely homogonised friday/saturday/sunday night offerings. A possible model could be something like GAYSHA which is held on the final thursday of every month at the Shift, but i again have numbers concerns on a school night party. As for smaller venues, Eden (now closed down) attempted to ressurect (amusing easter pun) school disco - a saturday retro night - a year or so back and had mixed success

Finally, what made Stage 11 so special for me was that there was an enormous energy and vibe in the lead up to the night. This was entirely created by three very talented/passionate dj's establishing a dialogue with people like us and building up an incredible sense of anticipation for the night...and then delivering absolutely over and beyond all that. A regular retro night wouldn't have that magic for me.

I could be completely wrong on all this - these are just my thoughts. G.A.Y at the Astoria in London makes retro and glittering pop work on a weekly basis (and again, with a surprisingly young crowd).

I am impressed by the idea other p/boarders have mooted of a winter party at fox (between MG and Sleaze) based on a retro concept. I also want to ensure that the Retro concept will be offered at next year's MG and was going to send some e-mails to NMG along those lines. If you, or any other p/boarders of similar sentiment want to have a natter on that, you can email me at pookygolightly@mac.com

one last thing...retro rules! yay!
Ms Golightly - Mon 12 Apr 2004 01:31:07

GT you're right about Palms - it's got to be one of the daggiest venues on the strip, but absolutely unashamedly so, and it sure pulls in the punters. I've been going there on and off for ages when the mood for retro music takes me, and there hasn't been one Friday or Saturday night that the place hasn't been packed to the rafters and going off. What I find nicely different about it is not only the unbelievably camp music that Glenn the DJ whips up, but how varied the crowd is - from older bears to teeny twinks, all having the best fun in the same space. Come to think of it, I don't know if the Palms DJ submitted for Stage 11 at MG but his style would be perfect for the next retro space (which hopefully will be at Sleaze)
Vodka Martini - Mon 12 Apr 2004 13:00:13

Strict machine - Goldfrapp (Extended)
Fire - Mousse T (Club)
At night - Shakedown (Mousse T)
Can't hold us down - Christina Aguilera (Sharp Boys)
Senorita - Justin Timberlake (Thick vocal)
Milkshake - Kelis (X press 2)
Rocking music - Martin Solveig (Club)
Just a little more love - David Guetta (Club)
Superstar - Jamelia (Coco Snatch)
Flawless (Go to the city) - George Michael (Album)
In the middle - Sugababes (Album extended)
Confide in me - Kylie Minogue
Breathe - Michelle Branch (Chris Cox)
Left outside alone - Anastacia (Jason Nevins)
Hit the freeway - Toni Braxton (Hex Hector)
Love profusion - Madonna (Ralphi Rosario big room)
Some lovin' - Kristine W (Peter Rauhofer)
I must not chase the boys - Play (Thunderpuss)
Play your part - Deborah Cox
Just about had enough - Beathustlerz (Club)
Me against the music - Britney Spears (Gabriel & Dresden)
Clocks - Coldplay (Bootleg)
The one - Mariah (Widelife)
Pappa's got a brand new pig bag - Thunderpuss (Club)
Straight ahead - Tube & Berger (Extended)
My time - Dutch featuring Crystal Waters (Steve Murano)

Hope you all had a great night whever you ended up.
JK - Mon 12 Apr 2004 17:53:28

Serious music--i felt it
foxy music - Wed 7 Apr 2004 20:23:12

Wow queer nation was just amazing.. loved Jake's set, Papa's Got A Brand New Pigbag went down a treat hoorayyy :)

The Leal|Neil back to back (Luke Leal Neil Crawford) was great, was good to hear these guys playing off together, Ive been to every single Queer Nation party and that was one of the biggest crowd responses ive seen! Anyone remember "this is my religion"? Had to be the track of the night.

Not sure what happened to the music but half way through a big classic it just faded out and some pretty innapropriate funky track came on (dont get me wrong.. i love the funky stuff), i thought something had broken and they put on an emergency CD but it was just the next dj starting, sounded really unprofessional which is so unlike Queer Nation.

Ive never had a complaint about Queer Nation but they seemed to make a big blunder going from big room trance to a funky house DJ at 3am when the club is usually going wild to trance. Not to mention the transition between the two styles which was about as subtle as a high speed motor accident.

Either way a really great party, funky was good for a change but the old music formula seems to still get the best crowd response.

See y'all at Big Queer Nation
Wurkinboi - Wed 7 Apr 2004 20:49:22

Cheers
JAD - Thu 8 Apr 2004 00:13:24

But in all Queer Nation had a great vibe. All the dj's were of a high standard and made the night enjoyable. Queer nation is still the one to go too and home is a great venue.

But he is a little tip these days. When you favourite dj is playing or you like what he is doing take the time to see who it is and put a face to a name, it makes it easier and then dont forget come around Diva voting go down and vote for you favourite dj. So when you vote and see the favourite dj category you know who to vote for.

Keep Dancing and Smiling
ScoobyD - Thu 8 Apr 2004 04:47:17

PS

Jimmy is playing at Big Queer Nation in City Live (stage 11) also playing at the up coming GAY on 22 May,
scoobyd - Thu 8 Apr 2004 04:52:32

I just cannot believe they put Alan Thompson on in the main room at that time?a few friends even left because they couldn? stand it. I also see he is signed up for Big Queer Nation. Well?I guess that? one party I can skip. I think his music ?if he played upstairs for example ?would?e been great and appropriate. Most of all though?I was sincerely surprised at the song/mood selection of Alex Taylor? What a downer, I expected him to be really good. I heard maybe 2 upbeat songs in his whole set. Would love to hear other comments ?if people agree or disagree with my opinion.

I liked the fact that it wasn? as crowded as usual (I believe it sold out so they must be selling less tickets).
- Tue 13 Apr 2004 09:37:33

QN certainly did NOT sell out this time around.

I agree with 'expected a bit more - Tue 13 Apr 2004 10:43:21' .... but it was a very sexy crowd compared to a regular saturday night at the Shift.

Any news from the Anthems party at SPACE on Sunday night....i've been hearing reports of a very very very poor turn out....
Josh - Tue 13 Apr 2004 11:11:57

take CARE with the EQ, less TOPS [bottoms are OK], particularly when loud. Louder isn't always better. watch for patrons sticking fingers in the ears - a good clue...

Good repetoire, sequence needs more thought. All in all, a good job.

My vote for the best 1st-time guest set goes to Neal Crawford a few QN's ago, BTW
slef appointed critic - Tue 13 Apr 2004 11:21:10

I found a few holes this weekend - a variety of them too:)

Loved Indulgence... the vibe was not as electric as the MG one, but it seems like a better night than anyone has described above so far. Great crowd of very sexy men, fantastic music, especially by the middle DJ, and did I mention sexy men?
WOOF - Tue 13 Apr 2004 11:49:18

BIG QN may be the resurrection of large parties outside MG, Sleaze. So, it stands to reason that some of us will wait until then.

Me? I wanted to see what the other DJ's were up to that night. I still feel stranded there and also find it harder to make mates there than at any event (apart from the DJ's, naturally). It's a bit of a pity because Bill Morley's & Scott Pullen's sets always get me started
- Tue 13 Apr 2004 12:08:42

When the guest DJ (Alan Thompson) came on at 3am, things really went downhill. Having listened to the whole 2 hours of his set (since I didn't find any of the other rooms to be any better), in a relatively clear state of mind, I can say that he is technically an excellent DJ. He played consistently and his mixing was very smooth. However, the style of music he was spinning (funky/deep house) was just totally inappropriate for peak time given what came before. Having been to DTPM in London, where they play funky/deep house in the main room for the whole night, I know he'd be a good choice to play peak time if the main room was a devoted house room. But it just didn't work coming after a solid 2 hour trance set. I waited (with most of my friends) for Alex Taylor to come on at 5am, thinking that things would pick up a bit, and I must say that it wasn't worth the wait....

Overall, a very disappointing QN. I hope the promoters are reading the comments on this wall, because many of my friends are thinking that they'll give Big QN (and future QNs) a miss if they don't make some major changes to the line-up and playing order of the DJs....
Anonymous Punter - Tue 13 Apr 2004 14:34:21

That was a brand new DJ for Sydney, DJ Joel K. Considering it was his third play out ever, I think he did pretty good, and I'm sure he'll learn more about the EQ's and sequencing over time. I will pass on your comments to him this week, as I'm sure he'd love the constructive criticsm you've offered.

For others intereted, you can catch him at Spin (Stonewall cocktail bar) on Sundays doing the last hour or two (usually about 2am onwards)
MK - Tue 13 Apr 2004 15:29:05

Firstly, the only style of music playing at QN from 3am onwards was house. There were four rooms of house to choose from (albeit slightly different genres of house), and I'd hardly call that diversity. If you like house music, then that's great. Pity for the rest of us though!

Secondly, there were only 2 hours of trance in the main room at QN (1-3am). The rest was house or progressive house.
- Tue 13 Apr 2004 17:38:19

How did the melb gig go?

Also I'm curious about the musical tastes of the Melborune crowds. How do they differ to a Sydney crowd in your opinon?
Shanobear - Tue 13 Apr 2004 20:09:56

Also saw posters for Big Queernation around. Main one I remember is Victor Calderone.
Arti - Tue 13 Apr 2004 20:20:21

Thanks for the response Luke.Based on the Melb punters I have met I would probably agree with your assesment but I wasn't sure if that was the general situation down there. I've not played anywhere in Melbourne yet but there is a slight chance of me picking up a one-off show down there and I was wondering what changes I might need to make to what I usually play (if any changes at all).
Shanobear - Wed 14 Apr 2004 07:05:09

Yes true but whether QN can make a profit from big QN remains to be seen...

You never know what another venue could pull out of their hat for the long weekend! ;-)
time will tell - Wed 14 Apr 2004 09:41:00

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH JOHNNY

Look , I'm a big QN fan and Ive been to most of them and i'll probably go to Big QN too but lets all look passed the sugar coated hype of this event and realise that its a group of straight people putting on an event for the Gay community in an effort to make a shit load of money at a venue that is traditionally not theirs. The sheer reality of this event is that Home making the move to Fox Studios for Big QN is all about G.R.E.E.D and a substantial lack of morals.

I too also fear for Sleaze Ball if Big Qn is a success.

I PRAY that every gay person who attends Big QN does the right thing for OUR community and also attends Sleaze Ball.
In Support of NMG ! - Wed 14 Apr 2004 09:48:11

Because Johnny:

Big Queer Nation is a collaboration between ACON and Queer Nation aimed at securing a much-needed fundraising stream for ACON Services.

ACON ran a party in the old Showgrounds at Queen's Birthday for 12 years (called Hand in Hand) which ceased two years ago under the weight of ever-increasing public liability and increasing competition for partygoers.

More people can attend at Fox than is the case at Home hence potentially more revenue for ACON plus QN shares overheads. And ACON has traditionally staged a party at Fox every QBW

Dozens of events/parties - gay and straight - take place at Fox every year. Mardi Gras and Sleaze are just two of them. As discussions on this Wall have endlessly pointed out, the facilities at Fox are pretty much the only queer game in town if you want to maximise your chances of getting several thousand g&l punters along.
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 10:12:52

If it can be done, without too much dilution, then I, for one, will support it.

What is the entry fee? Are they going to offer an 'early-bird' special? AND Home have a an excellent reputation for duty-of-care with the ambo's ready to take you off to your own private G-taking area - the hospital
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 10:18:34

Yep, you are wrong.

Sure a "part" of party profits from Big QN will go to ACON which is admirable but lets not forget that Home nightclub will reap in the MAJORITY of profit from this event. They aren't going to do it soley out of the kindness of their hearts are they ?

And lets not forget that it was Queer Nation that was the main reason for Hand In Hand going down the gurgler in the first place.
Forgive but NEVER forget - Wed 14 Apr 2004 11:20:03

This money is desperately needed by ACON to continue the valuable work that they do.

Some of you people need to have a good think before you start judging people on their sexual preference.

Get over it!
We are one - Wed 14 Apr 2004 11:30:40

I suspect that you'd be much more likely to get away with discreet sexual activity at the Shift than you would at Fox. It's still illegal under the Liquor Act but the Shift has been a dedicated gay venue for many years, is gay owned and managed and the punters are unlikely to be shocked/horrified/complaining.
While I wouldn't wish it on the Shift, we probably need a case to be brought under the Act in order to test the law in respect of gay venues in 2004. I expect there's a good chance that indecency charges wouldn't succeed in this particular context because the police would find it hard to convince the court that people present could have reasonably found discreet gay sexual interaction, "indecent." They'd also have to finally confront the challenge of defining what exactly "indecent" is in gay-specific circumstances.

Fox is different. It's not a gay owned or managed venue and a significant proportion of onsite staff aren't gay. They simply don't want the hassle. It's a lost cause in terms of challenging Liquor Act indecency provisions.
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 11:40:32

I'm hoping the "commom sense attitude" extended into the practice of safe sex, but I fear not. I am curious to know if this upstairs "rampant sexual activity" was at any stage roamed by safe sex sluts or if indeed adequate condoms / lube / gloves etc were supplied. To do so indicates promotion of sex in a licensed venue, to not indicates promotion of HIV/AIDS. I don;t mean to stand on some moral high ground but I find it highly insulting to refer to rampant sexual activity in our clubs as being representative of common sense.
Concerned. - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:09:32

You hit the nail on the head. All we have seen that Big QN is being held "In association with ACON".

For everyone that supports Big QN for this reason (ACON) needs to ask HOW MUCH is being donated. Until I see a poster stating X% or a dollar figure of profits will be donated to Acon I will remain skeptical.

And if its coatcheck proceeds like regular QN nites all I can say is yay
(note sarcasm)
remember what makes the world go round... - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:10:40

it's also about sensible "problem" management - tolerance on these matters is a good thing. But let mefinally remind you that we are in public domain, here {nudge, nudge}
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:21:59

Was it? I thought it was because people like you didn't get off their butts and go to HIH instead....
Hmmmm.... - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:25:18

QN was not the reason for H in H going down the gurgler. Numbers had beeen dropping for a quite a few years because the party was not providing what people wanted in terms of music and shows. H in H became stuck in the past.This is why the crowd moved to Queer Nation and other parties. Time moves on.That Acon has the chance to combine with and use QN's good name can only be of benefit in producing a party, because chances are it's going to be good.
Barryt - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:26:15

What exactly is the Big QN Line-Up?
Where can we find it?

Was it on the posters at the Easter QN?
Please Help... - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:27:04

I'm not sure whether that's actually the case but even it was, it makes pretty clear sense for QN, ACON and the punters to collaborate and share the return. Kind of a win/win rather than loss all round, don't you think.
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:32:10

DJ Chip will be bringing his magic & making his debut at Smooch on the rooftop of East Village (234 Palmer St, Darlinghurst) this Sunday 18th April from 5pm - 11pm.

DJs: Chip, Renae Stanton & Peter Fam

For those of you that haven't yet had the pleasure of attending Smooch, it is a very relaxed & social evening with spectacular sweeping views over the city skyline.

Check the view:
http://www.eastvillage.com.au/12.html

$5 Coronas $5 Vodkas $5 Entry

Smooch welcomes DJ Chip.
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:54:21

remember what makes the world go round... - Wed 14 Apr 2004 12:10:40"

It? $5 per ticket you cynical hetro-phobes. As far as I know that is equal to or possibly more than Hand In Hand were able to raise. And QN didn't kill Hand In Hand! Anyone who reads a newspaper knows massive increases in insurance premiums contributed to the downfall of many a large event worldwide, including Mardi Gras and many local parties. Why did that happen? Mainly 9/11 (remember that?) So if you wanna blame someone for not looking out for the gay communities interests, blame Al Queada. I'm sure they're really sympathetic.
KidRocket - Wed 14 Apr 2004 13:08:27

That is a very simplistic overstatement. There is a view that successful recoveries such as Frisky, anything the Shift or Arq was hosting and Queer Nation might have undermined people's enthusiasim to attend the main party of he weekend. Perhaps a greater reason was the excessive public liability insurance ACON was faced with and most of all a product at the end of its natural lifecycle, (numbers for hand in hand had been declining for some years). Ultimately people make an informed choice and sadly this may mean that commercial events win over fundraisers but great if we can go some way to edressing this by suporting BQN.
Evil Twin 11 - Wed 14 Apr 2004 13:17:40

Well the percentage share in these circumstances is usually driven by how many people turn up - the more people, the greater the fundraising percentage available. ACON has some of the most experienced and on-to-it promotions people around. I would be very surprised if they've entered into an arrangement that won't deliver for them.

On the other hand, if no-one turns up, I can pretty much guarantee you that no-one will get anything.
Think About It - Wed 14 Apr 2004 13:20:07

Can I just say that with the level of interest and marketing and publicly open sex you can hardly call indulgence "underground". Also it aint about policing the gang bangs, more having the toold available to ensure that the public sex is at least safe sex.
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 14:06:37

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA !!!

What a fool you are. For the record I attended EVERY HAnd In Hand from 1993 to the last one in 2002.
Forgive but NEVER forget - Wed 14 Apr 2004 14:56:30

I agree totally... Indulgence was a wild party Thanks Joe and Tom from the USA, you showed myself how to party.... oops I have to named names.... Bugger must still be off my chops from my sexually drug explosion...

Bring on the next Indulgence.. Overseas people are so much more yummy....
What a great shagadelic party yummy!! - Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:19:37

What is the point of this comment? First commenter said it has been listed as a good event, and someone else says there is not much space there.

Advice to the second commenter, just get there early... and considering how much people complain about parties being not busy, maybe just be glad that this one will be.

Also, how is it that big QN can get The Dome (as dancing allowed space) and NMG and SLPA can't????

PS - Brad W, your post in ambiguous (though helpful:))... is Alan Thompson LIVE?
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:24:29

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The PERVteam - Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:26:08

Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:24:29

I'm only guessing here but I think the way Dome was used for Mardi Gras this year was a "test" to see if Dome could stand up to the riggors of once again becoming a full dance space.

I think Fox have only just approved it again, so lets cross ya fingers cause Dome may very well be once again one our Mardi Gras and Sleaze Ball agenda
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:42:24

Queer Nation have a proven track record for throwing popular parties for us. If they want to throw us a huge one and also donate some of the money to one of our charities, then good on them.

If you don? like the way they?e doing it, then instead of harping on about it why don? you do your own?
.
Dan Murphy - Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:52:11

Is this true? Where did you get this info?
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 15:54:25

Fine. HIH, Al Queada, global econimc forces - whatever - it's all a factor - the point was that it wasn't QN that 'killed' Hand In Hand, as others have keenly pointed out above. As Dan said "If you don? like the way they?e doing it, then instead of harping on about it why don? you do your own?" I'd love to see the look on your face when you realise the magnitude of what's invovled and the risk in putting on such an event.
KidRocket - Wed 14 Apr 2004 16:27:07

The point of Big QN is that it is a fundraiser for ACON who used to hold Hand in Hand at Fox on the June long weekend. THAT is why they are having Big QN, THAT is why it is on at Fox. Hand in Hand didn't seem to affect the numbers at Sleaze so I doubt Big QN will. There are a few months between the two parties.
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:40:19

thanks Lozza! It's guys like you who take the time to come up and say hi and say that you enjoyed a DJ's set that makes it all worthwhile. From the DJ box we can see if the crowd is digging it or not, but it's the extras, like having someone come up and say thanks, that really make you feel like you've done a good job.

Did you figure out what that track was that you wanted?
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:43:12

Agreed. I didn't play any trance this time round, and Luke and Neal were only on for 2 hours, so there was only 2 hours of trance, not 5.
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:45:17

Hey Shano! Must agree with Luke. Melbourne crowds are great. They have been heavily into trance for a long time and the guys at Raw Hide are trying to mix it up a little. We still play a lot of trance at Raw Hide, but the crowd there is up for being educated on some different styles too. If you get time, you should come down and check it out one time.
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:48:46

I'm glad you think it was good and that you were pleasantly surprised. The mistake many people make is shoving a DJ into a pigeon hole and assuming that one style is all they can do. There are a few DJ's out there that will only play one style, but there are many who love musical diversity.

I am best known for handbag and commercial stuff, and I'm not about to snub that off, but I have musical tastes that range far wider than that and can play whatever style is required for the situation. Diversity is the key.

When I read comments about how people think I am cheesy or too commercial, I laugh. It doesn;t effect me because I know that isn't the only thing I can do. It's nice to know that I can be a pleasant surprise to people from time to time.
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:53:21

I PRAY that every gay person who attends Big QN does the right thing for OUR community and also attends Sleaze Ball.
In Support of NMG ! - Wed 14 Apr 2004 09:48:11

Again, this is very uneducated. Big QN is a fundraiser for ACON. It is not about greed. If you knew the people behind QN you would know this.

NMG is going from strength to strength and I'm sure Sleaze will be a huge success regardless of Big QN. However, it all lies with the community. It is a case of the community choosing to support these organisations by going to the parties.
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 17:59:30

I know what is it with this endless squabble!

As for Big QN line-up, it will all be revealed soon. I believe the website will be up and running shortly. It's so exciting!

Speaking of websites, my lovely web designers have been working on dragging mine up to scratch. It's still a work in progress, but if you are interested at all, check it out at www.jakekilby.com

I promise this is my last post for the day!
JK - Wed 14 Apr 2004 18:06:30

damn .. i wish i lived in sydney so i could take you up on your offer brad ... would be so cool to see how all the technical aspects of a party get planned and fit together ... oh well :-(
technosexual - Wed 14 Apr 2004 18:21:23

Shanobear - everytime i've been to melbourne i've always found the crowds remarkably friendly. Make sure you visit the Exchange - lots of boys with fabulous hair not only pole dancing, but lip-synching and emoting all at once. Now that's what i call versatile!

ta ta for now
Ms Golightly - Wed 14 Apr 2004 18:24:13

Re Dome. BQN is the first party to be allowed to use the dome for dancing. Fox have just changed their mind on the situation. It will never be the same though as you now have to put down a false floor on the existing one, this cost in itself will be beyond many organisations. There are also sections that cant be danced on.... very confusing. We are meeting at Fox tomorrow to nut out all the new rules...
Brad W - Wed 14 Apr 2004 19:32:58

LOL @ the kristine w comment

But Mr Calderone OMG!!!! The place is gonna go nuts :-D
Andrew (excited punter!!) - Wed 14 Apr 2004 19:56:46

Come on love! Who was the prime mover behind PALQ, the group of gay community orgs that started NMG on the road to recovery? - ACON

Whose CEO was the first co-chair of NMG along with former ACON staffer Michael Woodhouse? - ACON's

Who loaned NMG 50 grand to get the new show on the road? - ACON

Who is partnering with QN in order to create a whole new g&l fundraising opportunity in the winter months when NMG has no events happening? - ACON

Which is the last commnity-based org in gay Sydney that would wish to see NMG put at risk? - ACON

How many months elapse between BQN and Sleaze? - 4

How many months will you go without attending a dance party? - 1-2 max

What is the problem?
- Wed 14 Apr 2004 21:54:38

Whats the answer this question - ACON

Whats the answer to that question - ACON

Whats the reason for this question - ACON

Whats the reason for that question - ACON

Geeze, Next thing you know you'll want me to sing A.C.O.N to the tune of YMCA.

Oh and don't forget the hand movements !!
In Support of NMG - Wed 14 Apr 2004 23:25:27

Well, then best you get yourself to Big QN and hear her belt it out live!
JK - Thu 15 Apr 2004 07:55:43

Big Queer Nation is just the new version of ACON's Hand in Hand with a different set of producers and marketing. I wish it every success and I'll be there.

Also remember Home only fits 1500 people and Fox has fit 25,000 people.
Arti - Thu 15 Apr 2004 08:38:21

No I was kind of wanting you more to focus on the great unlikelihood of ACON's BQN venture being planned to, in anyway, impact negatively on NMG. But if singing along to YMCA is an easier ask for you love, well, feel free:)
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 08:49:56

Sounds like the Exchange Hotel in Melbourne has the music in town if you ask me. I might even move !
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 10:23:23

No no no Arti, Fox has only ever and will only ever have a 17 000 capacity. The Old Sydney Showgrounds used to pack in 25 000, but that was at a squeeze some time ago..
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 11:22:36

SammyD - Sat 10 Apr 2004 22:39:55

Yes I agree.

A bit of trivia?

Both Jimmy Dee and Justin Scott used to play in the Cellar Bar (Downstairs Bar at the Imperial Hotel) to a packed dance floor every Thurs, Fri & Sat nights for many years, before hitting the major dance party scene. ie Pride, Sleaze, Mardi Gras, Queer Nation etc

These guys, together, single handedly, set the gay dance scene in the inner west by delivering uplifting music that everyone had come to enjoy, and had them coming back for more week-in and week-out. Venues also included Caesars Bar & Newtown Hotel along side veteran DJ, David Hiscock.

These guys are not overnight success stories. They both slugged it out in the early years doing weddings, 21st? and even bharmitsfar?! (Ouch!)

Without comparing them to their peers, these guys are worth their weight in gold. They have done their time, and now they are reaping in the rewards.

The good new (for me anyway), is that they will be re-united together playing back to back at Big Queer Nation doing the Retro set.

Currently, from memory (and I hope I have this right), Jimmy still plays at the Imperial, but has since picked up residency at ARQ to join the likes of Leal, Goodyear etc, whilst Justin has residency at the Venus Room, and has been booked for Big Queer Nation ?City Live Retro (ala NMG) and also Inquisition.

Congratulations guys?You have both earned it & keep up the good work.
OJ - Thu 15 Apr 2004 11:23:14

I haven't heard that anyone died at our community events (or post events) this weekend through G abuse so we should all be grateful that we had so many events in Sydney and Melbourne that went off well.

Brad, it's rare that an international DJ gets it right the first few times they play to an Aussie crowd - that's why we love our DJs so much - they know us and what we want....
Noisy Gypsy - Thu 15 Apr 2004 12:39:42

here's the chance for those with a interest in the furure of Leather Pride and its contribution to the party calendar to stand up and be heard.
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 13:42:01

can anyone help me with the name/artist of a song? it should be an easy one! it was a fairly commercial dance hit from a few years back (?) with the line "people get ready...get ready to run".

they've been playing it in the mix at the gym and it's driving me crazy trying to think of who the artist and song name is.
thank you!! - Thu 15 Apr 2004 13:53:23

I'm sure someone will beat me to it but those are the lyrics to BEACHBALL by Nalin & Kain. (Though I'm sure it's "..get ready to fly" not 'run'), originally a massive hit in it's original form in '97, it has been re-released a number of times and is currently in the clubs again with a rather pleasant Gabriel & Dresden mix and double AA-sided by the new vocal version/bootleg CRUISIN'(BEACHBALLIN' AGAIN) by N&K vs. DENNIS THE MENACE (what a mouthful!) which is a bit of a monster on the floors at the moment. Don't think the new mixes are available in this country but try LA based PERFECTBEAT.COM if your after it.
Luke Leal www.lukeleal.com - Thu 15 Apr 2004 16:05:52

hand in hand went down because of spiralling cost in production and insurance.

queer nation will be paying a motza to get this party up and running for all you.
especially the HIV/Aids recipiants who desparately could use any extra dollars to such orgs as ACON.

we should help them not destroy them.

pleazz think of others...

thank you QN
from a long term HIV person who needs such things as ACON.
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 17:45:52

The 20th Anniversary Mardi Gras party in 1998 was 25,000 people. It used the whole of the area we now use plus Bent St up to Arena.
Arti - Thu 15 Apr 2004 19:39:41

Victor Calderone wasn't exactly everybody's cup of tea at the 2000 mardi gras party if i recall correctly. I personally thought he was GREAT...and so much room to move, one could express oneself, so to say.
Ms Golightly - Thu 15 Apr 2004 21:14:37

There is a plan to have NSW clubs/bars smoke free by 2006.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/05/1081017105459.html

So far as I know ACT and SA already have or are committed to putting legislation through to this affect. In NSW I think it may still be a 'plan'...
- Thu 15 Apr 2004 22:51:19

Oh that 2am humour is just cracking me up Lorielle !!
gayboi - Fri 16 Apr 2004 08:09:18

The Stonewall crowd has been more vivacious lately and Peter Fam looked pretty happy, relaxed & now I know why he has a strong following: HE knows how to DJ and is a very pleasant, uncomplicated person. The only problem with the Stonewall crowd is that *some* (due to age/conscience even?) don't know which horse to back. anyway....

Sandi Hotrod, Chipper & Neal Crawford at Phoenix tonight is where I want to be tonight.
how about you? - Fri 16 Apr 2004 15:42:59

Well, he was recently asked to DJ by Danny Teneglia at his "Be Yourself" @ NV event in Miami during the Winter Music Conference.

His current Top 5 tracks are:

1. Astrid :: Rain Victor Calderone & That Kid Chris Mix
2. Goldfrapp :: Strict Machine Victor Calderone Big Room Mix
3. Victor Calderone :: Resonate Dimas Carbajo & Tkc Mixes
4. Wicked :: Fortress Chus & Ceballos Teklberican Mix
5. Eddy Airbow :: Tribal Contact

He has remixed a myriad of artists from Madonna to Beyonce, Bette Midler to KD Lang, Sting to ...Darren Hayes.

?ictor Calderone is immensely talented and quite amazing. He never fails to come up with fresh ideas. I love his work and I love working with him.?
- Madonna

Personally, I can't wait!
- Fri 16 Apr 2004 16:05:35

They have six 1/2hr manacle dj sets and a surprise (of some sort) before Mark Alsop plays his usual Friday night slot...

Sounds like fun
woof - Fri 16 Apr 2004 16:11:58

I think I know these people too Mr Leal. Shall we buy Braddles a chastity belt for his birthday to keep him safe?

On Victor Calderone, I think last time he played in Sydney, people expected him to play lots of music like the mixes he does for Madonna and the like. Not such a silly thing to assume, but unfortunately I don't think this is the case.

I missed him last time as I was playing in another hall at the same time he was on, so I am really looking forward to hearing him spin at Big QN. I would imagine he'll be doing a full on tribal affair, which is right up my alley. However, he may have changed his style a little, so I'm just going to be open and willing to enjoy whatever it is he does. If you go in with that attitude, I'm sure you'll enjoy his performance.

Can't wait!
JK - Fri 16 Apr 2004 18:03:49

What's the report from the Fox engineers Brad?
Bgrrl - Fri 16 Apr 2004 23:12:41

Snap!!

Twas my birthday also...
nealcrawford.com (like my name change?) - Sat 17 Apr 2004 03:52:49

I got an SMS from a friend around 4am telling me there was a shooting this morning at ARQ involving security. Can I anyone confirm/deny this?
- Sat 17 Apr 2004 05:44:17
Pinkboard is unable to verify this statement.

the Phoenix is looking a lot healthier these days and deservedly so - particular attention has been paid to the dance floor=the *best* spot for serious dancers [an oxymoron?]
It's the talc - Sat 17 Apr 2004 09:31:06

Got to choose your talent carefully there
DJ relay - Sat 17 Apr 2004 09:45:10

mike kelly
shigeki
rob davis
chip
sandi hotrod
buck naked

no one dropped the baton or stepped outside the lane:)

very good bunch of mini sets, and even liked the show
- Sat 17 Apr 2004 12:13:07

Check out:

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

This is a fantastic website describing all of the different genres of dance music, with sample tracks given for all of the substyles. Enjoy and hope it stimulates your interest in dance music!
Matt - Sat 17 Apr 2004 13:03:10

wow .. what an awesome site .. someone obviously has way too much time on their hands ... LOL
- Sat 17 Apr 2004 18:25:45

Wasn't there so I am surprised by the above statement. I associate Phoenix and Manacle with slower, deeper, sexy sounds and I have been missing that.
I love my House: Jazzy, funk, disco are all fine but as the night gets darker, I want my music to follow...

MIX IT UP - take me on a trip - DJ's that can switch styles from set to set make the best mood controllers, in my personal opinion.

I agree that we need to know what style of music to expect
[so we know what to pack] - Sat 17 Apr 2004 20:01:42

Or, could it be providing a venue with a style of music that is in demand, as shown by Mardi Gras? There is absolutely nothing wrong with copying what another party has done if it has been proven that it works and therefore is in demand.

I believe I remember when Mardi Gras copied ICE and used City Live as a hard house room with an ICE-like DJ line-up. No one complained that they were copying ICE, the people who like that style were just happy that MG had supplied it to them.

When something is in demand, you give it to the punters. No one entity has the rights to a concept. We all know NMG were the ones who went with the retro venue in the first place and I applaud QN for returning it to the community for another run, as I'm sure will most of the fans of the retro/classics venue at MG.
everybody else is doing it so I will too: www.jakekilby.com - Sat 17 Apr 2004 20:08:58

The scary part is I like the music called "STUPID". mmmmm
doh! - Sat 17 Apr 2004 21:00:11

Or, could it be providing a venue with a style of music that is in demand, as shown by Mardi Gras? There is absolutely nothing wrong with copying what another party has done if it has been proven that it works and therefore is in demand.

everybody else is doing it so I will too: www.jakekilby.com - Sat 17 Apr 2004 20:08:58

Hmmmm. I think he's just stirring you (and anyone else who'll take the bait) up, JK! :p
- Sat 17 Apr 2004 21:01:26

Too right, that was a fab gig! Though it was, believe it or not, in The Dome (not City Live) at Sleaze 2000 degrees. (The heat approached that temperature too!) The vibe in that room was phenomenal, one of the best I've experienced at a major party and more so enhanced by the fact that the DJ box was nice and close to the punters - not an impersonal removed distance like it can be in the RHI & the Hordern. It was more a homage than a copy though; the ICE boys were involved on a consultation level I believe. Mardi Gras nailed the zeitgeist by doing that and I believe BQN will do the same by having a classics & anthems room too. It was such an overwhelming success at Mardi Gras and clearly what a large portion of the community wanted and felt was missing from previous parties. Retro ain't quite my thing but if the people want cake...let them eat cake! ;-)
Luke Leal www.lukeleal.com - Sat 17 Apr 2004 22:47:32

OH COME ON LUKE, CUT IT OUT !!

Stop trying to hide behind this perception that to publically state you might enjoy retro would make you look "uncool"

I reckon I could play a little set of Luke Leal classics from your days as a young up n coming DJ from DCM , Flinders and *particularly* the Taxi Club that would have you boogying and screaming in the centre of the dancefloor throwing your arms around like a big girly windmill :-)
Never deny your retro history and never deny the opportunity to enjoy retro......www.luke really likes retro.com - Sun 18 Apr 2004 07:18:48

LOL - you're right, I would love that (though I question wether I would throw my arms round like a big girly windmill, that really doesn't sound like me...) but only if Greg Boladian & Jake Kilby were there too - we have a loooooong history from that era! I meant retro ain't my thing as a DJ. But never say never I guess...
LL (www.it wasn't retro back then.com) - Sun 18 Apr 2004 14:50:58

Sun 18 Apr 2004 16:01:55

Thats the dumbest thing Ive read all week.
ALL dance music has the beat generated from a computer. - Sun 18 Apr 2004 16:28:51

Thanks for the website. Will start my education pronto!
Musically chanllenged - Sun 18 Apr 2004 17:20:36

WOW!!!!!! What a coincidence.........
Thanx for the tip Matey..... Definitely getting my tix for BQN.
Lozza - Sun 18 Apr 2004 17:32:24

I believe DCM (back when it was gay) had a few of these. I think Luke Leal would be able to tell us about those events but from my recollection they were a bit of a disaster and the hassell of the clean up didnt warrant the money made.
- Sun 18 Apr 2004 19:18:20

What I meant was if you turn on your computer dance beat at home and play CD's of the 70s and 80s at the same time you will get the Retro. Don't need to spend a lots of time to remixed a proper dance track. That why the majority of well known Djs just don't do retro.
- Sun 18 Apr 2004 19:58:56

Please get your facts right before you post.......................we get sick
of mis-informed people like yourselves.

Big QN will be doing the weekend with ACON who used to do the Queens Birthdays parties for years so guess where some of our $'s are going ? also how many straight run gay bars/clubs/restaurants are there on Oxford St. Do you object to them ?

Johnny - I will be attending Big QN for the simple reason I hate the squash up at Home on the main dance floor. I went to all the parties that started at Home but gave up when they became too popular as just cannot stand to squashed on the dance floor.

And lastly those wanting to put the death knell to trance. Puh-lease.........all music styles move on and in 10 years trance will be Retro ! I just say to friends that I prefer hardstyle music which is one ( note I said one ) of the more popular styles doing the clubs here and overseas whether you want to call it hardhouse/trance/hrd nrg/whatever. I know more refined music lovers will be say how differenct these styles are from each other but each year the beats just seem to go up a notch and they seem to blend into each other at times.
Lastly with what most people "take" , most prefer a faster/uplifting/harder beat. But a good party always needs minimum 2 rooms.

Will Big QN take punters away from Sleaze ? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa
is all I've got to say on that one. They are almost 4 months apart..........
Reality check - Sun 18 Apr 2004 20:09:45

You havent got a clue what you're talking about do you? What a load of crap !

When people speak of Retro in the context of recent events people are talking of tracks that WERE ALREADY dance tracks in the 1990's and to a lesser extent the 1980's.

All dance music comes from computers, retro included.

Please feel free to come back and comment on something else that you actually know something about.
- Sun 18 Apr 2004 20:12:25

(Panther: see links for verification babe :)Interesting website & looks like updated very regularly.)

17, April 2004

1st article:
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/media/detail.cfm?ObjectID=6043&SectionID=media

Police are appealing for public assistance following a shooting incident at Surry Hills overnight.

About 1.53am today, an altercation occurred involving a number of men and a security guard in Flinders Street near Taylor Square.

During the incident, a firearm was produced and a shot was fired, hitting a 32-year-old security guard in the thigh.

Patrolling police immediately attended the scene, arresting a 21-year-old man and seizing a weapon.

The man has been taken to Surry Hills Police Station where he is currently assisting with inquiries.

A crime scene has been established and investigators are speaking with a number of witnesses.

The security guard has been taken to St Vincent? Hospital for treatment and is reportedly in a stable condition.

Anyone with information about the incident or the events leading up to the shooting is asked to contact Surry Hills Police or Crime Stoppers on 1 800 333 000.

2nd article :
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/media/detail.cfm?ObjectID=6046&SectionID=media

A 21-year-old man is due to appear in Parramatta Bail Court this morning charged over a shooting incident at Surry Hills overnight.

About 1.50am, an altercation occurred involving four men and three security guards in Flinders Street near Taylor Square.

During the incident, a firearm was produced and two shots were fired, with one hitting a 32-year-old security guard in the upper left thigh. He was taken to St Vincent? Hospital where he is currently undergoing surgery for several fractures of the femur.

Patrolling police arrested a man at the scene and he was taken to Surry Hills Police Station, where he was questioned by detectives.

The Marrickville man has been charged with shoot with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, possession of a loaded firearm, affray, possession of a loaded firearm in a public place, carrying a loaded firearm in a manner likely to endanger the public and using an unregistered firearm.
iceboy - Sun 18 Apr 2004 22:04:56

I just got back from downstairs at the Shift with the lovely Rodney Dean playing retro classics, and apart from playing "everybody have fun tonight" by Wang Chung, he also played the live version of "get into the groove" by madonna

Anyhow, after all of 3 seconds introspection, a "travelator" is an ABSOLUTE MUST for either Sleaze or Mardi Gras...straight down the middle of the RHI would be perfect...lots of 89 step aerobic moves will be de rigeur, and a "k breahalysier" will be mandatory before entry...i don't want to get mowed down by anybody in a different groove - or even worse, someone wearing MC Hammer balloon pants!!!

btw...hong kong is upgrading the mid-level escalators, NMG could probably get one on the cheap.

On a related topic, I think we should probably re-define "retro" to include "classic" as a sub-genre....the first time i heard Luke Leal (or is that www.lukeleal.com) play "embrace" by Agnelli & Nelson at Frisky...well, my knees went weak...moreover, madonna's "impressive instant" doesn't get played anywhere near enough these days

PS...JK's wesbite is the BEST!

ta ta for now
Ms Golightly - Sun 18 Apr 2004 23:40:14

"A place where we can boogie" - Kelly, you're right (recent SSO), it's a great song
life's a gamble - Sun 18 Apr 2004 23:40:32

Ah Ms Golightly, we almost meet again! I was at the retro tonight (as usual when I'm not working) and Rodney Dean has long been a favourite of mine. He is so consistent week after week while delivering some wonderful forgotten memories. I also remember him playing a sensational set the one and only time I got out to Ceasars.

I really enjoyed Wang Chung as well and I think I was the only person in my area who knew all the words to Abba - Bang-A-Boomerang!
Shanobear - Mon 19 Apr 2004 03:23:07

One of my fave memories, Mr Leal, is that cruise that you and Alex played on. Greg and I had been at DC's the night before and were feeling a little silly so decided last minute to join you. The promoters had stupidly put the DJ booth over the engine room and gears of the boat. Every time they changed gears, Greg and I would be there with our hands under the turntables lifting them up off the table while you or Alex were mixing to try and stop the records from jumping. That's what I call team work!
JK - Mon 19 Apr 2004 08:44:22

how can this be avoided? I thought everyone handed their guns back to the government
sarcastic Sally's unknown mate - Mon 19 Apr 2004 09:28:48

and just a *minor* correction to my earlier post, of course, it was the live version of "causing a commotion" not "get into the groove" which featured madd's and the travelator (Ms Golightly get's a bit vague after too much retro and/or VB downstairs at the shift)
Ms Golightly - Mon 19 Apr 2004 13:06:50

One of my fave memories, Mr Leal, is that cruise that you and Alex played on. Greg and I had been at DC's the night before and were feeling a little silly so decided last minute to join you. The promoters had stupidly put the DJ booth over the engine room and gears of the boat. Every time they changed gears, Greg and I would be there with our hands under the turntables lifting them up off the table while you or Alex were mixing to try and stop the records from jumping. That's what I call team work!
JK - Mon 19 Apr 2004 08:44:22

Oh my God! That was the cruise from hell...How could I forget it, yeah talk about team work, luckily you guys did decide to join us. Those were the days alright...I have many a fond memory from the DCM era.
Have a good week,
A.T. - Mon 19 Apr 2004 13:31:22

I can't speak for the others, but I played tribal, nasty breaks, tech house and one funky house number. is that too girly for you? lol!!
and to....

"MIX IT UP - take me on a trip - DJ's that can switch styles from set to set make the best mood controllers, in my personal opinion.
I agree that we need to know what style of music to expect
[so we know what to pack] - Sat 17 Apr 2004 20:01:42

did these two sentences really come out one after another? gotta love you for consistency of argument there (but hey both your points are valid)
mk - Mon 19 Apr 2004 13:36:13

:)
- Mon 19 Apr 2004 15:27:13

Yes, good times. In fact, GREAT times! Ah, the days of the Alex/Luke DCM mayhem...
JK - Tue 20 Apr 2004 15:13:39

*insert evil laughter*
Brad W - Tue 20 Apr 2004 16:25:39

Well my guess is Jake Kilby and Paul Goodyear in the main room, while Steven Hales and DJ Josh in front of the bar. Although from what I have read, I think I would like to have DJ Josh in the main room.
FiremanSam - Tue 20 Apr 2004 21:07:00

I believe Stephen Hales will be doing the opening set in the main room at Toy Box, followed by DJ Josh for the second half (YES!)
Jake Kilby and Paul Goodyear will be entertaining the front bar crowd.
This is gonna be one GREAT party!
And both after-parties look good too ?Matt Steer/Ruby/Luke Leal at ARQ, and Ruby/Neal Crawford/Ryan Murphy at the Shift. Both starting at 8pm and going well into Monday.
I presume Matt Steer plays uplifting vocal house and trance. Can anyone confirm?
jeffgg - Tue 20 Apr 2004 22:30:44

Two Time Grammy Award Nominee

Creator of #1 dance hits for artists including Janet Jackson, Celine Dion, Jon Secada, Michael Jackson, Gloria Estefan, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Grace Jones.

$20 from 11PM
ARQ Sydney - Wed 21 Apr 2004 14:12:21

After playing with your toys come play with us!

MATT STEER from Brisbane (Wickham, Rawhide, Ruby, Peel etc etc) from 8PM
RUBY
LUKE LEAL

with

JAKE KILBY
DAN MURPHY
PAUL GOODYEAR
JIMMY DEE

ONLY $10 ENTRY FROM 8PM
ARQ Sydney - Wed 21 Apr 2004 14:18:08

Jaymz has taken his unique style around the globe, from Pacha & Manumission (Ibiza), Yellow (Tokyo), Lick (Paris) to Body & Soul, Limelight & Save the Robots in New York City.

He plays some of the most beautiful & unpredictable music I have ever heard.

With local DJs Renae Stanton & Scott Pullen supporting him, & at only $5, I know where I'll be heading after Toybox...

http://www.jaymznylon.com/index2.html
- Wed 21 Apr 2004 14:51:28

Go Jase.
- Wed 21 Apr 2004 14:52:01

Please play Rippin Kitten Mona :-)
Yay :) :) :) - Wed 21 Apr 2004 17:09:08

kooky
77 william street
east sydney

featuring live Charlie McMahon
didjeridu & electronics
Charlie has recorded with PAUL MAC, WIM WENDERS for the film UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD and on albums by SNAKEFINGER, MIDNIGHT OIL, JANES ADDICTION, ED KUEPPER, SUNRIZE BAND
yeah, he's a legend!

plus DJ gemma and Seymour Butts playing music from waaaay out there.

only $5!

All 3 sexes welcome. Straight Friendly too
wishing you a week of peace and pleasure

comming soon: the presets!!!!!
- Wed 21 Apr 2004 18:12:44

I have heard him at the mainfloor at Home BUT preferred his style HEAPS MORE on the Sleaze CD

an asset
Hints & Nundges - Wed 21 Apr 2004 19:32:03

Odd thing 2 write. Stonewall has bin rockin 4 7 yrs.
jason b. - Thu 22 Apr 2004 15:00:07

Hope NMG get Dome for Sleaze and make it the way used to be and loved by its followers.
NMG advertised Hodern was gonna be hardstyle/tribal for Mardi Gras but was Tribal all night. No offence to the DJ's and we did stay in Hordern most of the night as enjoyed it , but a nice trance/hardstyle set would have just topped of the night ( my personal opinion ). There is nothing like the Hordern with its hardstyle, just the purrfect venue just as Dome loved for by its Tribal followers.
Bring it on - Thu 22 Apr 2004 15:16:24

if you get this message, you play a Different Gear song on your Sleaze CD called A Little Bit Paranoid. Where the heck did you get it??? It is fantastic +++ and I have been hunting but to no avail (vinyl wanted if anyone else has it and doesn't love it). Let me know how to contact you if you have any tips on that please

PS - a great CD
- Thu 22 Apr 2004 15:31:49

I'm going on Friday night to see Alex Taylor & Scott Pullen & I'd like to know what this club is like...
- Thu 22 Apr 2004 15:50:23

Peter has played that track, again & again for the past 3 years - in fact it's now been a while since I've heard him play it. I know someone else who was hunting it and to no avial - your best bet is hard to find records www.htfr.co.uk, but good luck, it rarely comes in, I ended up selling mine to a friend. It has been around on CD, unmixed on a City Rockers compilation, out sometime late last year. How's that for helpful.
lovin' it - Thu 22 Apr 2004 16:54:36

if you get this message, you play a Different Gear song on your Sleaze CD called A Little Bit Paranoid. Where the heck did you get it??? It is fantastic +++ and I have been hunting but to no avail (vinyl wanted if anyone else has it and doesn't love it). Let me know how to contact you if you have any tips on that please

PS - a great CD
- Thu 22 Apr 2004 15:31:49

Try going to www.perfectbeat.com and doing a search they had a copy on vinyl a few weeks ago...
A.DJ - Thu 22 Apr 2004 17:24:37

www.residentadvisor.com suggests that: "the philosophy focuses on a strong music policy and the look is Studio 54 meets Paco Rabanne." Maybe. Personally, I thought it was more Jodhi Packer meets Shannon Noll when I was there but the typical Alex Taylor/Scott Pullen crowd-pull should create a significantly different atmosphere. Hopefully.......
- Thu 22 Apr 2004 18:57:10

This phenomenon will take place: Saturday 1st May at a private venue in Ultimo. From 10pm till 6am.

Open to PERVplay members only. Memberships places are now limited and will close 29th April. To find out how to get your application in on time: visit our membership page www.pervevents.com/membership.htm

Congratulations to the 150+ perv's who have secured their membership - Your going to have so much fun exploring this event.

Tickets to this event are moving fast from SAX FETISH @ $40 each, or by cheque: made payable to James Rennie, quote your membership number on the reserve side of the cheque and send it to PO BOX 408, Alexandria, NSW, 2015

Please Note: To ensure your privacy and that of others, no cameras or mobile phones are allowed in the club rooms, however designated areas have been set aside in the venue where you may use your mobile phone.

For the full low down on PERVplay www.pervevents.com/play.htm

I'm sure looking forward to this party!

Regards
James - Thu 22 Apr 2004 19:42:08

Sundays at Stonewall have been going for nearly 3 years with the same lineup. it is one of the longest running Sunday nights on the strip outside of Ben Drayton's night at Phoenix. I meant that every week has been increasingly busy and rocking this year... it never used to be this busy. But yes, Stonewall has been going strong for ages:)

PS - thanks to the helpers on the different gear song - I LOVE LOVE LOVE IT. thanks PM for introducing it to me
- Thu 22 Apr 2004 21:04:53

Ive checked out the web site and cant find anywhere that there are Concession tiks available for this event. Can somebody correct me if I'm wrong ?

If there are no Concessions I'd be a tad dissappointed especially since this event is for ACON and people like myself who use ACON's facilities and generally cant afford a full price tik.

I hope Im wrong and there are concessions available.
Luke - Thu 22 Apr 2004 22:32:30

hey that is such a cool track ... after a few listens it sorta has a Skatt Brothers feel to it
- Fri 23 Apr 2004 01:15:19

This is a party to raise money FOR ACON and for the people who need the services of ACON. To not be catering to the people who rely heavily on ACON's support would be very short sighted indeed. I know quite a few people who are HIV and "LWA" who just cant afford a full price ticket to these sorts of events and if not for a concession ticket price would be staying at home.
Please Big Queer Nation - Where are the concession tickets ? - Fri 23 Apr 2004 07:05:53

The Tunnel of Love was started because it's not all that safe to require half-naked people to wander around in potentially sub 12c temperatures. Particularly when their ability to make accurate assessments about stuff like outside temperatures and body temperature might be a tad impaired :)
- Fri 23 Apr 2004 09:01:53

I'll be singing it at Arq on Sunday night I'm sure.

Benny and Lou had nothing to do.
Nor did Ace and Sandy.
They had enogh of gum and the other ones that make a peppermint candy.
Along comes Larry and says "Hey guys what's with you?"

But what's the next line. I'm going crazy.

Is it "Tic tacs gets you out of the hole"?

Or is it "Tic tacs gets you out of the K hole"?
- Fri 23 Apr 2004 09:27:17

Some people who are HIV dont have the time or the resources to travel all the way into the city to specific places just to get a Concession ticket.

We dont all live in the middle of Darlighurst you know.
HIV Man from Campbelltown - Fri 23 Apr 2004 19:27:00

This may be very naive view of the world, but if the BQN party is to partly raise funds for ACON, then I would perhaps have thought that the people who rely on the services of ACON would gladly pay full price to attend, as a means of giving something back to this community organisation? Is the price differential between full price and concession tickets really that prohibitive when taken into context of other expenditure in attending a party? The world gets very skewed when it's all take.
suport those who support you? - Fri 23 Apr 2004 19:28:43

The REBOUND Boot Camp is on again tomorrow morning.

Luke Fry (aka Sergeant-Major HotLips) and myself (Dan Murphy ?aka Lieutenant-Colonel Klinger) will be your drill sergeant DJs to keep you dancing from 7am until we break for lunch.

All Privates are granted leave from duties and are requested to be in attendance at Manacle in Taylor Square - around the back of T2 and across the road from Arq.

Eric Lewis (aka Brigadier-General HawkEye) will take your names on the door and list any soldiers not present as AWOL - a suitable punishment will be determined.

For those Privates new to Rebound you can expect to find your hospitality industry comrades after they've finished up in their mess halls, a selection of Corporals down for a drink & game of pool and the Marines who've been hard at it all night and just have to keep going when everything else is shut.

See you there!

AT EASE!
Dan Murphy - Fri 23 Apr 2004 19:38:42

Yes my friend your comment is very niave.

People living with HIV (and my best friend and flatmate is one) are normally living on the poverty line. HIV combating drugs are not cheap and a night out on the town is a rarity and a luxury. These people they tend to scrimp and save every penny to attend a night out which for them is only about once every 6 months or so.

You say "Is the price differential between full price and concession tickets really that prohibitive when taken into context of other expenditure in attending a party?" - Again , this is naive as you seem to conclude that all people spend up big at these events due to the potentioal cost of drug intake.

I can assure you MANY HIV queens DONT take drugs at dance parties cause it mucks up their health. So a night out at a dance party for some HIV people could cost only the price of the ticket and a few drinks at the bar.

For the normal healthy working queen on $40K+ a year income who goes out clubbing most weekends the difference between a dance party ticket priced at $80 and $50 is totally un-noteworthy, but for my HIV mate (and others) that $30 makes all the difference between going to a dance party or staying at home watching TV.

I fully support the notion that Big Queer nation should be supplying concession tickets and I'd be keen to get some feedback from Brad W or anyone else involved with Big Queer Nation on this issue.
Please Big Queer Nation - Where are the concession tickets ? - Fri 23 Apr 2004 19:59:06

Lastly, make a request to BQN for concession tickets. Dont crucify them for initially not offering them. This is their first foray into event like this although it does escape me why ACON didn't insist on it in the first place.
But remember you get more with honey than vinegar :)
T - Sat 24 Apr 2004 08:12:07

I think this matter urgently needs to be brought to their attention.
- Sat 24 Apr 2004 08:52:55

I would normally ask you to join me but I'm not sure who I am these days...

PLEASE have a SAFE PARTY: leave the G(-uns) at home and WATCH YER MATES.

OH, and spare a thought for the fallen...
lest we forget - Sat 24 Apr 2004 09:40:20

Studies show a rather more mixed picture. Not all HIV poz people are reliant on welfare. Well over 50% of us are in ongoing paid employment. HIV no longer automatically equates to disability though for a proportion of us it certainly does, and less there be any doubt, studies tend to show that HIV poz gay men actually consume party drugs at a higher rate than gay men who are not HIV poz. The vast majority of HIV poz partygoers don't utilise concession tix because, mostly, we're not entitled to them. Some PLWHA do face significant challenges, many are able to manage life pretty effectively. I think it's important to get some balance into the picture. You can get a bit over being constantly referred to as some poor disabled sufferer coz of your serostatus.

Whether or not BQN should offer concession tix (and remember that concession'entitlement relates to being an unwaged recipient of government benefits - not any specific illness condition) is a good debate but it's not just about PLWHA.
- Sat 24 Apr 2004 11:07:07

Please note: In original arrangements involving ACON and HOME, concession tickets for people with living HIV/AIDS were determined mandatory. While all arguments for concession are valid, they have already been accounted for. The arrangements for their purchase are beng finalised at the moment. Details will be made public soon. Please watch for their availabiltity as soon as possible. Each and every year this joint venture occurs, there will be concession tickets available - rest assured.
Music is the Answer - Sat 24 Apr 2004 19:47:45

Pardon me for being sceptical but I just wonder if this issue had not been brought up in this particular public forum if Concession tickets would never have seen the light of day.

It seems very VERY odd to me that full price tickets were released nearly a week ago and concession tickets weren't to be seen. In my 20 odd years of clubbing I cant think of another example where tickets for an event have gone on sale and concession tickets have been added on at a later date to the full price ones as appaers to be the case with Big Queer Nation.

Its all well and good that these concession tickets will be made available soon (about time I say) but my theory is that -

(1) Queer Nation simply forgot to add Concession tickets , or

(2) Queer Nation never had any intention of adding them until this issue was brought up in a public forum.

Even if the above explaination from "Music is the answer" is true then from whatever angle you look at it the Queer Nation organisers have stuffed this issue up from woe to go and I hope they learn from this experience and if there is any future ACON/HOME collaberations that they have concessions available at the same time that full price ones go on sale.

Now lets move on and enjoy the pre party hype for this event. I can't wait.
Aiden - Sun 25 Apr 2004 09:10:38
This is the opinion of the poster.

Private Deep Cover reporting AWOL-by-proxy. Funds don't permit such movements. Your invite is, by far, the most inviting I have come across for a while. On the strength of that alone, it sounds like pure fun.
wish I was there - Sun 25 Apr 2004 09:19:20

Oh, and where's our Ryan?
Trance Trance Trance - Sun 25 Apr 2004 09:44:00

Playing devils advocate here.

The difference between the early bird ticket price and the full ticket price is $79 versus $99.

If when the early bird tickets expire and go up to $99 and they introduce a concession ticket at no less than $79 dont you think that will be a slap in face to concession card holders ?

I can only presume concession tickets will be less than $79 but lets wait and see before we open that can of pickles shall we ?
Aiden - Sun 25 Apr 2004 10:19:06

OK Aiden. Now pop the lid back on the pickle jar, would you please? :)
- Sun 25 Apr 2004 12:46:53

I know quite a few people (mostly gay) who have tickets to see Tiesto/Tong. After missing out on seeing Tiesto at MobileHome (where, from all reports, he was sensational), I think anyone who has any interest in trance or uplifting progressive house would be mad to miss it (especially since it's only $55)....
- Sun 25 Apr 2004 16:31:27

Yes, I must agree that BQN hasn't really catered for people who like a bit of trance at their big parties. Most of the DJ's playing in the horden (except Luke Leal and Neal Crawford, who are playing for 2 of the 10hrs) RARELY play trance, so it's a bit odd that they've advertised it as a trance/progressive hall....
- Sun 25 Apr 2004 16:46:05

And that's only an hour each trance lovers. Seems like home is trying to move away from a very popular & very successful main room format towards house, not unlike ARQ's very unsuccessful recent relaunch of Saturdays. What's wrong with these people? Is it because moving DJs around is the cheapest way to make it look like something different is on offer? Our local DJs are great! Why not just give punters something extra like the Toybox boys did today, cute toys, novelty keychains, hand fans, iceblocks, kooky non intrusive entertainment, etc... the music isn't the problem it's the lack of creativity by whoever is in charge of promoting the night and making punters feel welcome (though that's more directed at ARQ than home) Stop juggling your DJ line ups and wondering why that doesn't change numbers and put some effort into making punters want to be in your venue.
music IS the answer and so are the DJs - Sun 25 Apr 2004 21:03:17

Don't be joking about this! Are you serious? Where is it? Where can I get tickets??
I've been going through my old records lately... - Sun 25 Apr 2004 22:09:28

OK no concession tickets ( so far ) then contact BQN or ACON. If they say no then you can crucify them. Never assume.

Only posting I agree with is why BQN playing around with music styles ? I stopped going to QN at Home as the main dance floor was way overcrowded and even though I love the music style, you just could not move. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed VC in the main set of the night does play they style but from memory last time he was here and from checking him out on Kazaa and Soulseek it "seems" like a real change of style especially after our local boys. Overseas DJ's seem to be such a real hit and miss. To me its the overseas female DJ's who are better ? but you can correct me ( nicely ) if you
disagree.
Be nice. T. - Mon 26 Apr 2004 07:59:51

This is for real, it is on Queen's Birthday long weekend at one of the wharfs (which i always love). noticed a poster and then got handed a flyer so double confirmation that the party is real
gonna make u sweat - Mon 26 Apr 2004 08:07:53

Beyond details as follows:

The Beyond Boys Present

BEYOND

01-05-04 @ The Cage

HOT
SWEATY
SEXY
MEN

Neal Crawford + Scott Anderson
Each doing 4 hour sets in the Main Room
Rob Gilbert in the Backroom!
Lighting by Jamie Ivarsen

Lasers by Oracle!
No Attitude!

Recovery @ 2 Floors Up with
Peter Mac & Frisky from 7am

Check website for further details

www.beyondblack.com.au

Dress code applies
- Mon 26 Apr 2004 09:20:57

Less than 2 hrs to go before the official launch of BEAT FM 87.6!

Yaaayyy!!!

Tune in today at 12 o'clock (Midday) to hear the kick-start of Sydney's only full-time radio service for the Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual & Transgender community.
Justin Scott - Mon 26 Apr 2004 10:20:45

I don't have high bandwith and no matter how much I may try to bring that page up on the BQN website it won't let me!

It's really frustrating as I am trying to decide whether to buy a ticket or not, and I can't even load up the main piece of info I need

Many Thanks!
Please Help!!! :) - Mon 26 Apr 2004 13:57:24

STAGE 11

10:00 to 11:30 Jimmy Dee
11:30 to 1:00 Justin Scott
SHOW - Courtney Act
1:00 - 2:30 Richard Wweiss
2:30 - 4:00 DJ Shigeki
4:00 - 5:30 DJ Chip
5:30 - CLOSE Sean Manley & Greg Boladian (Back2Back)

HORDERN PAVILLION

10:00 - 12:00 Jake Kilby
12:00 - 2:00 Luke Leal & Neal Crawford (Back2Back)
SHOW - Kristine W
2:00 - 5:00 Victor Calderone
SHOW - Kristine W
5:00 - 8:00 Alex Taylor & Pete McNamara

THE DOME

10:00 - 11:30 Kelly Lynch
11:30 - 1:00 Coco
1:00 - 2:30 Mandy Rollins
2:30 - 4:00 Scott Pullen
4:00 - 5:30 Alan Thompson
5:30 - CLOSE Kate Monroe
JS - Mon 26 Apr 2004 15:48:24

DON'T be in doubt- WE HAVE the best DJ's on the plan/t
never ending party - Mon 26 Apr 2004 16:16:30

I'm glad that QN are trying to experiment a little with their DJ line-up. However, it seems like they are trying to squeeze too many DJs into three halls. This means that each DJ has only a small period of time to develop their set, so I'm afraid it's going to start sounding like a DJ marathon, with a bit of this and a bit of that, rather than a natural progression of the music as the night goes on. The other problem is that there are a few genres that are obviously over or under represented. As a punter, I would much rather have the choice of house, progressive, and trance. Make one hall trance, one hall progressive, and one hall house. Otherwise, say goodbye to the punters who aren't being catered for....
- Mon 26 Apr 2004 17:32:26

The one really bad and negative thing with so many DJ's playing in each hall is that I guarantee you will hear the same song and mix played two maybe even (heaven forbid) three times during the course of the night in one hall.

At Mardi Gras or Sleaze when you only have 3 (at most 4) DJ's playing a particular hall New Mardi Gras expects and demands (in fact its in the DJ contract) that the DJ's discuss track selection and ensure that NO song is repeated during the night and if it is repeated that its at least 6 hours between plays.

With 6 DJ's playing each hall at BQN and a few of those DJ's being overseas or interstate guests (probably with oversized egos to boot) I suspect there wont be much negotiating going on.

So unfortunately I'd say at BQN to expect some of the halls to be like AM radio with the biggest hits on high rotation during the night as well as the fact that constant changing of DJ's every 90 minutes will feel like a stop start affair.
- Mon 26 Apr 2004 17:58:13
This is the opinion of the poster.

Some like to nibble on this and that. Some like to chew on stuff for hours. Some like to gorge.

Music is like food, sex, etc.

BIG QN is doing something incredibly exciting, brave, entertaining and USEFUL.

it's going to be fun because there will always be the DJ you want to hear, at any time or shortly thereafter.

so how was your weekend?
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 08:31:13

I personally think Dave deserves a knighthood|is a prodigy but rock'n'roll just doesn't grab me
4/4 - Tue 27 Apr 2004 08:42:26

I have to agree with you about New York DJ, Jaymz Nylon, at East Village on Sunday night. Jaymz played a very rhythmical/Latin vibe that was very refreshing.

I think No. 2 DJ was Scott Pullen, (correct me if I'm wrong), & I can't wait to hear his set in the Dome at BQN!
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 10:36:10

When's the next one?
TJ - Tue 27 Apr 2004 11:50:39

So unfortunately I'd say at BQN to expect some of the halls to be like AM radio with the biggest hits on high rotation during the night as well as the fact that constant changing of DJ's every 90 minutes will feel like a stop start affair.
- Mon 26 Apr 2004 17:58:13

I have to disagree with you. I can't speak for the other halls, but at a regular QN, Luke, Alex and myself always converse about what tracks we are going to play. At the last QN, we did the same with Neal Crawford. A track is rarely played twice in the main room at QN and Big QN will be no exception.

I anticipate that we will also have email contact with Victor Calderone prior to the event and that he will let us know some of the bigger tracks that he really wants to play. In my experience, MOST international DJ's are very easy to work with and welcome the chance to discuss track selection prior to the party. It helps give them an indication of what gets played locally. However, if I am wrong about this, at least you can rest assured that there will only be 1 DJ in the Hordern that might repeat a track that has already been played.
JK - Tue 27 Apr 2004 13:25:23

No concession tickets will be on sale at the door.
No need for conspiracy theories. The delay was as simple mix up with Ticketek in the rush to go on sale last week.
David Wilkins, Events & Fundraising at ACON - Tue 27 Apr 2004 14:09:39

But I did notice, when moving through the crowd to 'have a listen' (no easy feat when it's full and going off), the incredible warmness of the crowd. It's you guys, the punters, who make a party work well and it really does make a huge difference when attitudes are left at the door and fun becomes the order of the day.

Finally, the message has got out there regarding G at Toybox - no major incidents and no ambulances (for a second time). Thanks everyone for being so sensible and careful. Let's hope all our events and parties can have the same level of maturity in party mode.

Recover well!
Noisy Gypsy - Tue 27 Apr 2004 14:11:59

BQN short DJ sets. Home and I are meeting with all DJ's tomorrow night to nut out who will be playing what. There will be NO doubling up of tracks, many of you are unaware that most parties of this scale (i think all parties and clubs actually) have to pay APRA a fee to play music. This fee then supposidly goes back to the artists. For this to happen we need set lists from the DJs so we can send them in. I think we are asking DJ's to preplan their sets and have the list ready for us prior to the party. Again there will be no doubling up of tracks.

Consessions. Perhaps speak directly to the club and or ACON, however as stated on this board before ACON have very little to do with the planning of the party.

Hope that helps.
Brad W - Tue 27 Apr 2004 14:30:25

I like how Brett & Andy have different DJ's everytime but can I make a suggestion?

How about Luke Leal & Neal Crawford? They both would no doubt play fantastic sets!!

What do you all think?
Craigy - Tue 27 Apr 2004 14:48:04

There a pluses and minuses to more DJ's playing like BQN are doing. If the DJ is bad, then 1.5 hrs is not long to wait it out. If they're fantastic then you only have 1.5hrs to enjoy.
T - Tue 27 Apr 2004 15:54:15

Now that I think about it, the lasers in the main room did seem a little over the top.
TJ - Tue 27 Apr 2004 16:56:27

special guest dj Mr Flynn (bad dog, phoenix ect)

residents are dj gemma (club arak, gurlesque, subculture)
and seymour butts (sauna sessions)

its only $5, from 10pm

at 77 william street, east sydney.

comming may 9th: fluro-group-show~!
a kookster! - Tue 27 Apr 2004 17:23:48

Can rock my socks off any day!
Scrummy DJ admirer - Tue 27 Apr 2004 17:34:18

what is the go with big QN (commercial org) getting the Dome and Inquisiton (community org) having to deal with the crappy Stage 11? that is a bit wrong
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 17:48:18

Couldn't agree more: nice to have somewhere to rest up quietly (especially for people like me who aren't 20 any more!) without security coming up and assuming you've "dropped" and throwing you out
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 18:31:58

His name is Matt Steer and he's from Brisbane. Yes ... he is ... and he played a mean set too! A great night out ...
GD - Tue 27 Apr 2004 18:40:48

Actually, I thought he played the best set of the night. Lots of good quality (read non-cheesy) trance tracks, well mixed. He's a really nice guy too. Would like to see/hear more of him in Sydney please!!! Luke Leal, as always, played a good set. As for Ruby, well, his special variety of "Mc-Happy" trance (sorry to be sarcastic, but that's truly what it is) isn't really my cup of tea but kept many of the punters on the dance floor for the duration of his set. A few major mixing blunders, but I've come to expect that from Ruby....
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 19:45:51

Numbers and timing. SLPA's core crowd maxes out at 3,000, I'm not sure that Dome was available when they booked, but I don't think that anyone forced SLPA to use Stage 11 at gunpoint or anything....a lot of people urged them not to and they decided to go ahead on the basis that the problems encountered last year have been fixed - according to their website.

BQN is selling 8,000 tix for Hordern and Dome. BQN is a joint effort between QN and ACON (community org).
- Tue 27 Apr 2004 21:40:45

Did I hear the magic words, "Kay - Ell - Eff" ??? The JAMs in town?

*** All aboard. All aboard. Whoa ho! ***

Details! Details???!!! (frantically rushes over to Google)

(Oops. Damn! And I already bought my BQN tix. Might have to commute between the two if necessary.)
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 27 Apr 2004 21:55:44

'the sydney gig features wanda (dee), former KLF vocalist, performing KLF tracks. and despite a promoters billing which reads "one of the world's most controversial dance acts, the money burning, crop circle cutting KLF hit Australian shores ready to create a frenzy", the show does not feature the klf founders, bill drummond and jimmy cauty - who, as i'm led to believe, have not given consent for this show to be billed as "the klf".'

Perhaps she could just pop along to the Hordern and BQN for a couple o' impromptus?
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 27 Apr 2004 23:08:35

KLF are going to rock us!!
Brad W - Wed 28 Apr 2004 00:30:32

Sounds like it could be fun but how could they do Justified & Ancient without Tammy Wynette? Just wouldn't be the same.
Shanobear - Wed 28 Apr 2004 06:58:59

I get continually frustrated at the way my favourite DJ at QN parties (Jake Kilby) is forever being pigeon holed as the "opening warm up" DJ.

Jake's possibly the most popular DJ in town yet at every QN he gets stuck with the dead end slot having to start a party with an empty room.

Give the guy a middle or closing set please - He's been with QN just about since the start yet these other blow ins who havent been here 2 minutes get prime middle of the night spots. Its not fair.
Orange - Fair , NOT - Wed 28 Apr 2004 07:54:32

What do you mean by "re-buy" tickets? Is there opportunity to buy more than the 4 tickets allocated per member?
- Wed 28 Apr 2004 10:34:38

To echo Paul Diamondo's point above please suport the event despite last year's experience of City Live. The entertainment will be great and discussions have been held with Fox (as opposed to Playbill) resulting in lighting and an overall environment much more appropriate to an intimate leather party.

Hope to see you all at fairday and then City Live.
SLPA Mole - Wed 28 Apr 2004 11:02:33

Argh! You got my hopes up. Do you know if there will be tickets available to the public then? Or will there be tickets made available to other "like-minded organisations" such as members of Sydney Leather Men before public sales?
- Wed 28 Apr 2004 11:42:09

This Friday catch three examples at DiRTy at Icebox.

Cherry2000 at 11pm
Christa Hughes & MIchael Lira at midnight
SodomSonic Sound System at 2am

with dJ's Steve Sonius (Bad Dog), Lanny K's Mutant Lounge and a 'versus' set between Miss Yetti and Lanny K

Glita Supernova & Sex Intents from Gurlesque will also be performing at 1am.

All this for only $20 ... cheaper if you dress DiRTy ... fun starts at 9pm.
Craig - Wed 28 Apr 2004 12:28:38

Brad, was I at a different party? There was plenty of light in the Roma (Chill) Room and medical were watching people well. Regarding Lasers, I thought the balance of lasers to moving lights was great - perhaps you came a bit late (5 hours into an 8 hour party) to really assess the whole party?
- Wed 28 Apr 2004 13:45:24

An snnouncement will be made in his week's press. Think at this stage there should be between five and six hundred tix available for public consumption By the way in my opinion Beyond in Melbourne is by the far he hottest and dirtiest party of ts type in Australia, followed by Redemption in ID also in Melbourne. Our parties pale by comparison, making even more important to hold on, support and consolidate what we have, ie Inquisition, Indulgence Carnal etc
SLPA Mole (about to go into hibernation or risk expulsion) - Wed 28 Apr 2004 14:29:49

Point taken, perhaps we did arrive slightly late to asses the whole party..

Paul... re dome floor... approx $15,000 to re floor it for BQN... im assuming that cost will now apply to all organisation wanting to dance in there... its a much larger space than most think..!
Brad W - Wed 28 Apr 2004 14:54:31

Totally agree with this comment. Also gives the first DJ the chance to enjoy the rest of the party if they are so inclined.
Shanobear - Wed 28 Apr 2004 15:54:14

They are available from ACON Sydney office ONLY.
9 Commonwealth St Darlinghurst 10am-6pm M-F.
Health care card holders only. One ticket per card holder.
Concession tickets will be on sale from this Friday (30 April)afternoon.
David Wilkins. ACON Events & Fundraising - Wed 28 Apr 2004 16:09:15

I'm intrigued by the cost of dance floors. Aren't they just bits of wood? Why do they cost so much?
Paul Diamondo - Wed 28 Apr 2004 19:19:02

Jake's possibly the most popular DJ in town yet at every QN he gets stuck with the dead end slot having to start a party with an empty room.

Give the guy a middle or closing set please - He's been with QN just about since the start yet these other blow ins who havent been here 2 minutes get prime middle of the night spots. Its not fair.
Orange - Fair , NOT - Wed 28 Apr 2004 07:54:32

Thanks for your support and really kind words. It means a lot to me that people like you enjoy what I do.

At the very first QN, I was unable to do the opening slot due to a prior commitment, so the lin up was Luke, then me, the Alex. It was one of my favourite QN's ever, but that is largely due to the fact that it was the first ever, and it was just so damn exciting!

Another of my favourites was the QN when Alex was out of town and Melbourne legend Peter Macnamara played the middle slot. I did the closing set which gave me a chance to play a whole different style to what I do in the opening set.

Any slot at a big party such as QN is exciting and challenging in its own way. Big QN is going to be even more so. I really enjoy doing the first set, and like Shanobear said, if I get the work side of things out of the way early, then I get to switch into play mode and enjoy the rest of the night as a punter.

Luke, Alex and I have all been residents at QN since the beginning (as have most of the DJ's at QN), and we have a formula that seems to work. I think the formula would still work if the three of us were moved around, or if an extra DJ was thrown into the mix, as has been proven with Neal. However, I get my share of middle and closing sets at other parties, and I'm happy with the work that I am offered.

There will be times when things will have to be changed at a QN, for example if one of us is overseas at the time, but in the meantime, I love my opening set and I am just so happy to be involved in a party the calibre of QN.

Thanks again for your support. Hopefully I'll see you bopping away on the Hordern dancefloor early at QN AND hopefully there'll be a few others there to dance with ya.

See you at the partay!
JK - Wed 28 Apr 2004 21:29:56

But this whole thing with the twenty odd DJs is ABSOLUTE CRAP Crappy Crap Crap STRAIGHT DANCE FESTIVAL STYLE. It stems initially from the straight dance clubs splitting the DJ fee for a night among five to ten totally uderpaid struggling DJs who'll take any crumbs of exposure they can get instead of one or two like we usually get at the Shift or Arq. That way they get ten groups of friends and contacts coming through the door buying drinks and maxing profits for the night. With some of the straight dance parties that idea gets extended to the limit - look at Transmission on 29/5 at Homebush - 52 djs and MCs listed in the advert. Some of them are on for only 45 minutes. And sometimes that's "back to back".

Sound familiar? I know BQN hasn't quite got down to that kind of sausage machine yet but with Our Luke playing only 2 hours "back to back" it's getting darned close.

Ditch Calderone. Give us Luke Leal.

Or perhaps Calderone could play "back to back" for a couple of hours and "do a Craig Stevens" for Lukey.

Anyway - I suppose after 2am I won't really care that much but I sure as hell care now!
Trance Trance Trance - Wed 28 Apr 2004 21:46:11

Your point of view regarding :

"STRAIGHT DANCE FESTIVAL STYLE. It stems initially from the straight dance clubs splitting the DJ fee for a night among five to ten totally uderpaid struggling DJs who'll take any crumbs of exposure they can get"

Is completely unfounded and wrong at least get your facts straight before deciding to give everyone your point of view.
Me - Wed 28 Apr 2004 23:13:28
Pinkboard is unable to verify either of these statements.

This Sunday from 5pm - 11pm, Smooch will be playing host to up-n-coming DJ & grrl about town, GI Joe, (aka Jodie). Jodie plays a unique blend of uplifting, soulful house grooves, & will be supported by Peter Fam (Midnight Shift / Manacle) & Scott Pullen (Queer Nation / Colombian).

If you haven't been Smooched before, here is a link for you to check out the view:

http://www.eastvillage.com.au/12.html

..and a review of last week's guest DJ from New York, Jaymz Nylon.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?id=15135

Coronas & voddies are only $5

All welcome.
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 10:21:06

www.beyondblack.com.au

As has already been mentioned this site is occasonally slow to be updated but check he "box office" at SAX as they are the ony ticket outlet in NSW and know well in advance of future parties. The venue is always the same (wxcept for the recent November party), The Cage a suitably dingy 4th floor club (no elevator) in a laneway off Chinatown.

Well worth checking out for anyone heading south. Also, don't forget Melbourne's Leather Pride which runs for 3 whole weeks in September and is jam acked with interesting events.
SLPA Mole/Beyond enthusiast - Thu 29 Apr 2004 10:47:44

Web address is www.beyondblack.com.au
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 11:08:46

yactually there is an elevator or should i say goods life, which turns into a mobile back room at times! the recovery (Peter Mac and Frisky) is round the corner at "2 Floors Up" great venue complete with porn playing in toilets!
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 12:03:23

I mean wake up and small the bacon, these straight events are going from strength to strength yet big gay dance parties have suffered a slide lately.

A new fomula is needed for gay parties and this is exactly what it needs.
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 12:09:11

Sweetie there is more to life than trance..

Luke is one of my best friends and I too would like a bit more luke at BQN, however some ppl like more than trance, some like pop, house tribal etc. For a party of this scale there has to be more than one style of music and more on offer than trance. If it was just trance then it would be more like a Frisky, Toybox or Ruby party... its Big Quuernation, which is not all about trance.
Brad W - Thu 29 Apr 2004 15:14:30

The evidence is pretty clear. For a big night party at the Shift you get maybe three DJs playing a decent set each. At most of the promoted straight party nights there are loads more DJs - ususally for about an hour or 90 mins each (but often less) as far as i've seen. But if you know of some other better straight clubs then, hey, go for it.

Either way, I don't think it detracts from the argument that our queer parties have traditionally had only 3 or 4 DJs per venue for a 10-12 hour party. Putting them on higher 2 hour rotations starts to really impact on (at least *my* perception of) the sense of journey involved in a good party.

Frankly I'd prefer that sense of journey with 3 DJs whom I could critically appreciate (or, hey, even criticise if I want to) than to know I'd listened to every good DJ who was in town that night. But, as you point out, that's just my opinion. Not meaning to offend - just putting in my bid for less DJs and more journey.

Can't hurt to ask.
Trance Trance Trance - Thu 29 Apr 2004 15:17:44

the dj you're referring to is Joel K. he has been living in the uk for the past 2yrs, and just got back. he has been djing about 8yrs, but only just started playing out again recently driven by the sounds he found in london clubs like The Ghetto, etc.

Anyway, so far as i know, the only place you can hear him for now is at Stonewall on sundays in the cocktail bar, where he does the late set (usually sometime like 1-3am), though i am sure he will be out there lots more once others see him mix too.
MK - Thu 29 Apr 2004 15:21:08

nope! No deliberate promotion just sharing my opinion and the little information I have.
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 16:07:13

hear hear ... it's all about the journey for some styles of music in *my* opinion too ... that's why multiple styles/venues at parties are good to try and appease most ppl's quest for the ultimate journey, although the horden at MG could have benefited from at least one change of style during the night to introduce a new journey ... like Brad W's almost blaphemous comment earlier about "Laser overload in the main room" of Toybox ... you can have too much of a good thing .. it's all about balance
trancey pants - Thu 29 Apr 2004 16:34:11

Oh yeah - happy trance, uplifting trance, hard trance, funky get down and boogie with me trance. Need I go on?

Haha - Well as I said I do luv a journey, so I'm v happy to start the night with something more vocal and handbaggy. I'm even happy to have something chunky (AlexT) or even funky (Shigeki mwah mwah mwah) later in the morning. Hey, I'm an RHI kinda guy!

But bring on Luke Leal from 2-6 I say!
Trance Trance Trance - Thu 29 Apr 2004 17:22:11

when it wasn't there!!

kidding kidding kidding

luke and neal two BIG talents
but i still love my house sounds
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 17:42:21

let's wait and see. At this point, I am in total support of giving more DJ's a go. Everyone's attention span is being reduced in a world gone mad and maybe this is what it needs.

On the other hand, maybe an area is needed for the long-set DJ's. and maybe some DJ's are better suited to short sets.

let's discuss after
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 19:41:49

Sure, it's not all about trance. However, I don't think it's fair to say (or even suggest) that there are lots of different music styles on offer at BQN. Actually, there are only varieties of house music on offer, as far as I can tell (with 2 hours of trance in the Horden early in the night). The vast majority of DJs would be classed as funky house or progressive/commercial house DJs in my mind, with VC being tribal house. Maybe there are a few RnB or breaks or techno (or, god forbid, trance) DJs in amongst the list that I don't know about??? :p

As for the short DJ slots, I'd have to agree that it's just not enough time for a DJ to develop their set. I don't think it adds anything to the experience musically to have a DJ-relay, but is more likely (in my opinion) to be a strategy used by the promoters to get more people to buy tickets for the party.
- Thu 29 Apr 2004 19:59:18

Just stirring the pot - couldn't help myself. To the trance trance trance poster, QN is all about satisying th most popular tastes in music. obviously trance aint it anymore.
- Fri 30 Apr 2004 09:10:35

Queer Nation is an ongoing dance party event, produced by Home nightclub, and targetted specifically at the gay community. The HomeSydney website has the details.
- Fri 30 Apr 2004 09:21:55

I think a bowl of crazy has been consumed...

I know that the Colombian will be holding one of their infamous 'recoveries' after Big Queer Nation, but I'm told that Home won't be.
- Fri 30 Apr 2004 11:52:59

In short, Home stands to make such a truck load of cash from this event - a pecentage of which will make it back to acon. Dont be afraid of the straights - their money is the same colour as ours. Better to outsource some funds rather than just feeding on ourselves (again)
bEATKID! - Fri 30 Apr 2004 12:10:27
This is the opinion of the poster.

Good idea, it not already organised I would be doing that... Promoters?? Maybe call it Putrid or Big Queer Mess...lol

No seriously recovery would be FAB!!
just want to dance... - Fri 30 Apr 2004 12:58:44

Obviously? Really? Trance isn’t popular anymore? A quick visit to Toybox last Sunday would dispel that myth. But I guess that's just a sell out party at the Metro which is only, what? 1500 or more punters? I guess their tastes don't count.

Though home's big F-U finger to trance lovers at BQN is a real worry. I know for a fact that my favourite DJ, who was so excited about the party a month ago, has had his contribution reduced to one hour and is not impressed at all...
- Fri 30 Apr 2004 13:46:16

He/She has their own viewpoint on the many DJ's being offered. Fine if you disagree with that but be nice.

Personally I hope Victor Calderone keeps in tune with the way the main floor at Home has been in the past. After all hasn't it always been packed ? packed so much that people complain ? and to the knockers of this style of music , how can it be over/past it etc when the main floor is so obviously packed out ? every music style has its use by date but the main floor of Home, just like the Hordern at MG and Sleaze has always been extremely popular with its music style whether you wanna call it trance or hardstyle or one of the many other names , this harder edge style of music is very popular.
Just think before you post Sweetie - Fri 30 Apr 2004 16:06:07

I can hear the 18 year olds going "Eeuw!", the 25 year olds going "Hmmm yeah?", the 35 year olds going, "Oh, yeah suck it baby!", the 45 year olds going "uuuuugh oooh yeah baby - oops sorry guy!", the 55 year olds going "Need some air, it's too hot in here!"

Hehe - not saying where I fall in that spectrum. Somewhere in the middle between Luke Leal and Ryan Murphy - haha. (between their sets, of course!)
Trance Trance Trance - Fri 30 Apr 2004 19:21:44

lol - I don't think Luke would be invited to play another Nitegroove party - wasn't his jumping ship to Queer Nation the beginning of the end of Frisky?
- Fri 30 Apr 2004 19:49:18

If all we did was go experience it and not chat about it ths wall would be empty and V McBoring.

Och and besides, once it's over there's nothing to speculate aboot!
Hamish McTrance Trance Trance - Sat 1 May 2004 14:55:26

Indeed! Let's drop those crystal disco balls.
good advice, mate - Sat 1 May 2004 16:11:12

That's actually a good question. It's obviously been around in name at the very least since 91 and the Kopyright Liberation Front's White Room Album (hehe - Last Train to Trancentral). I expect before that in stylistic terms. Of course, the style/s has evolved immensely since then. So it's a growing, living beast with a pounding heart. "It's a-LIVE!"

So 15 years or so for a style these days ain't too bad and it's the biggest dance style in the world at the moment.

As are the trance DJs (Tiesto, van Buuren, Leal!)

I suspect it's got some legs yet.
Trance Trance Trance - Sat 1 May 2004 17:43:08

I think that Pinkboard has been able to provide some much-needed info about BQN in it's own inimitable way - The ACON/QN partnership,the evolution from Hand in Hand, DJ's ( when a Sydney queen stops dishing DJ's, it's time for a quick pulse check) concession tix etc. By my count around 90% of posts have been entirely supportive and positive, but if an individual post isn't your cup of Long Island Island Tea, then try whipping one up yourself.
- Sat 1 May 2004 17:45:07

btw - haven't heard anyone even complaining about REAL trance djs being absent anyway...
- Sat 1 May 2004 17:46:21

it's a tough one - I have a lot of respect for Luke, whatever style he chooses
Dance Dance Dance - Sat 1 May 2004 18:54:47

I'm sure APRA would just LOVE to hear about that one !!

After all the crap Jake Kilby has gone thru on this topic in the courts you'd think some people would get the message.

Some people however never learn. I hope APRA go after her as well to show some consistancy.
- Sat 1 May 2004 22:23:03

babe, she just made the mardi gras 04 cd (fully licensed). get over it, and stop trying to run the gal down
- Sun 2 May 2004 08:16:19

***IF*** it was the official Joy FM CD (note that I refuse to call it the Mardi Gras CD) and it was the properly pressed CD version and not burnt CDR copies of the original then that is OK as its a fully licenced CD.

If she was handing out CDR copies then that is just as bad.

Similarly if she was handing out a mixed CD demo of any sort then shes putting herself at risk of getting into deep shit. Just ask Jake Kilby.

So who at Toybox who got one of these "legendary" CD's or CDR's can confirm what they were given ?
Apra Man - Sun 2 May 2004 09:09:31

the most popular dance music for want of a word is Trance or similar harder edge styles. As Trance Trance Trance pointed out its changed greatly over the last decade and to me is heading to a harder edge style.
But very close to behind is house and commercial. Trance does not dominate the scene. What I have found in party areas around the world is during the day or sunset house music and commercial stuff is popular but when the pills go down and the sun goes down and people are really getting into it , trance styles go off.

Of course people will argue the point, but just using Home as an example, the main floor which over-packed to capacity plays trance style so hello ? If you go to other superclubs/dance parties overseas or even the straight events at Homebush , *usually* the biggest hall is playing trance style.

I'm just glad we have a party back at Fox for June long weekend and that part of our $'s go towards ACON. Should the Home Recovery donate back to the gay community ? they should not have to just because it follows a gay event. Do all other venues that put on recoveries all donate $'s ? but I'm sure Home will do something even if its coat check.
Just busting - Sun 2 May 2004 12:14:53

Maybe Stage 11 is different for Inquisition (yay my harness gets another outing) but for BQN, surely, it's the Playbill venues that are the main game?
Trance Trance Trance - Sun 2 May 2004 13:31:40

DJs live in a state of perpetual dilemma because we are not allowed to do, that which we need to do to survive.

OK, consider for a moment that most DJs do not get ANYwork unless they're given a chance to show off their talents, also consider that promoters do not go to clubs very often to check out new djs, as they're working at and promoting their own.

It is ESSENTIAL that djs be allowed to be made specially exempt from this proposterous control mechanism you are placing on our industry.

most DJs actually play music that earns very little money (ie is not commercially release en masse) for the producer, and get very little exposure due to the mainstream interests of the various media monolpolies (whom create their tiered companies with media content companies included to be flogged on their media (tv, radio etc).

Surely then a DJ is actually unearthing and exposing the work of another, a creative enterprise long before it was a commercial enterprise, and shouldn't this be supported in a state where the Arts are designated a worthy site?

It is very disappointing that we are being warned here about the perils of recording a demo cd (a demonstrational device, and the only way of attaining work in an industry the govt now so heavily commodifies). If there can not be some waiver instated, surely the concept of a DJ demo license could/should be introduced.

If it would appease the men controlling my country, i would be happy to pay an annual blanket fee for demo production (to a set, specified volume), and to supply the artist's details to APRA or PPCA or whomever wants to know, so that they can get the money they deserve (instead of the nothing they get now because we can't afford to go and license cds for commercial release as we are totally unsupported in the dance music industry by labels - who are really just getting by themselves in a lot of cases, or whom are so commercial that creative enterprises come second to $returns).

I hope this "just woke up" message is coherent, and makes the points I wish to make:
-djs need demos
-music is appropriation anyway - check the era of art we're living in
-demos promote artists who would otherwise never get exposure
-can we have a DJ expemption on demos? or...
-can we have a blanket fee and copyright data information link between DJs and APRA for dj demos?

and finally,
fans never get a chance to hold anything real when they leave a club. some of the most amazing times of people in this subculture's lives have occurred at the hands of a dj. the music industry does not support local dj mix releases and the costs are also prohibitive (independant that is)
is this falling on deaf ears? - Sun 2 May 2004 14:45:02

quite possibly the smartest thing I've ever read on pinkboard

10, 10, 10, 10 !
Mr Panties - Sun 2 May 2004 15:22:43

who is the poster?
- Sun 2 May 2004 16:28:10

Gee that Pete Tong must have great taste having played Samantha Fox "Touch Me" at Home last night. Retro just isnt going to go away is it ???????
Retro Retro Retro !!!! - Sun 2 May 2004 17:38:46

OK, here's the facts (from the Fox website):

'The Hordern Pavilion and Royal Hall of Industries operate under the auspices of the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust and are managed by Playbill Venue Management, but are an integral part of the Fox Studios Australia landscape both visually and operationally.'

So the Trust owns the two buildings, Fox is the overall operater and Playbill is the manager for events purposes.
The Trust has no involvement with the rest of the site, all of which (including Stage 11) is on a 99 year lease to Fox from the NSW government. Playbill is the event manager for all of the Fox site party venues.
- Sun 2 May 2004 18:00:50

Luv, it wasn't Samantha Fox's version of Touch Me. I was at the Tiesto gig with my sister and her boyfriend. I would've fallen off my stool if I saw straight guys doing the two step shuffle to that song now. It would be like hearing Acadaca at Queer Nation. *touch wood*
Hudson - Sun 2 May 2004 20:51:49

and

Mr Panties, YES it was VERY well written and again reminds me that there are many exceptional people here.
who is the poster?
- Sun 2 May 2004 16:28:10

Thank you for your support, funnily 12hrs after the soap box rant I still feel as passionately. i would prefer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but thanks again for your positive words

ps - if anyone from APRA did read this, please let us know what you think???
MR PANTIES heard:) !!!! thanks mate - Sun 2 May 2004 23:43:04

Couldn't pick the token poof and dyke in the line up. Any suspicions?
- Mon 3 May 2004 10:48:55

lol! so genius!
- Mon 3 May 2004 11:04:17

What is it that brings people together to celebrate life & each other's differences?

Music is the answer!
- Mon 3 May 2004 13:20:47

:-)
- Mon 3 May 2004 13:28:12

I don't like to bring back an old topic but this has also been on my mind lately and it's something that is beginning to really bother me.

I'm referring to people's comments about dance floors being to crowded.

At the last 2 major events I've been to where I have had to pay $20 to get into the club and dance to my favourite DJ, it amazes me the amount of "space Wasters" there are at clubs!

It is really uncomfortable to dance your heart out to lots of uplifting, high energy club music while the majority of the floor stands arm in arm, lips locked together and insist on showing their complete disrespect for the DJ.

If you are not enjoying the music PLEASE LEAVE THE DANCE FLOOR!

I feel so unsupported by other gay people who give dirty looks at you while you try and have a good time but you have accidentally interrupted their pash fest by stepping on their foot or something.

I pay money to dance to a DJ I like and would like more respect from the people who use the dance floor as a quite social gathering.

I would also like to ask the smokers who dance with lighted cigarettes in their hand to keep them off the dance floor.

I have atleast 2 scars from dancefloor related burns which is totally unnecessary.

Thanks Guys!
- Mon 3 May 2004 21:09:27

I am commented on smoke free venues as well, I was in New York last year and smoke free venues was great, and it seemed no one really cared about it, bring it here I say

My belief only
SammyD - Mon 3 May 2004 21:24:03

It is a shame that Beat FM has limited range, but I'm hoping with success it may get a larger range? I don't know if this is a possibility though?!?

WARNING: shameless self promotion ahead!!!

If you can tune in to Beat FM, check out:

Cruisin' with Jake Kilby
Tuesday nights
19:00 - 22:00
87.6 Beat FM

Music, movie and TV news, scene gossip and some great giveaways care of Central Station Records and Markson Sparks!

Don't forget, heaps of Sydney's great DJ's have shows on Beat FM. Everybody seems to be getting into the swing of things and this station could turn out to be a great forum for our community. Switch on and support the queer airwaves.
JK - Mon 3 May 2004 22:21:59

Tune into BEAT FM 87.6
2pm - 4pm
Sunday's
for
Chocolate Sundae with
Justin Scott

Chat, special guests, and ofcourse lots of commercial Dance music with some Funky Sunday arvy tunes thrown in!

*awaits for Luke's plug*
Justin - Tue 4 May 2004 07:36:24

Not everyone lives on Oxford Street....
Think outside the pink square... - Tue 4 May 2004 10:32:34

- Sun 2 May 2004 18:00:50

Not strictly true, as Fox deny any responsibility whatsoever for operational policies relating to the playbill venues. Worse, they have apparently placed no conditions whatsoever on the conduct of the business in return for the continuing linking of the Fox name to the site. They are happy to receive the coninuing profile of parties being at "Fox studios" but claim to have zero influence/authority/responsibility for the conduct of the site business. When Playbill tried to sneak Livid Festival into Sleaze Ball's traditional booking last year, Fox were vehement (to me directly, which I copied to Clover Moore and others at the time) in their rejection of any capacity to influence the operation of the site. Out of their hands. Nothing to do with them. Hard to claim, then, that they "are an integral part of the Fox landdscape" operationally.

Centennial Park trust wouldn't even respond to requests for details of their conditions on Playbill, citing commercial confidentiality (for a government owned contract!).

It was only through the kindness and good hearted withdrawal by Livid's promoter (who had no idea of the underhanded deal he'd been drawn into) that Sleaze weekend was freed up at the showgrownds for NMG to hold what turned out to be a fantastic party.

Over recent years, the operation of the Fox venues at some of our big parties has become incrementally unfriendlier. Restrictions on provision of safe sex supplies at likely sex sites, intrusive security and onsite cleaners always poking around, odd price hikes for water and other things at times, restrictions on the setup of safe play spaces. I'm not a party worker myself but these are things I've heard such people talking about. The parties are forcibly becoming more sterile as the time wears on.

It just seems like Playbill management would be happier if we all went off elsewhere.

Fox can't have it both ways. Either they should accept some moral responsibility for ensuring the site's operations remain friendly to it's traditionaal queer community users or they should take their name off the marketing of future parties at the site. At present they get the kudos of their name on all our party tickets but give nothing back in terms of service quality guarantees.
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 4 May 2004 11:12:39

How can one find out the schedule of their shows?
- Tue 4 May 2004 11:48:27

It's licensed for Narrowcast which means it's deliberately restricted to a much smaller area than Broadcast transmission. Narrowcast services are specifically provided for "special interest groups" - in this case, poofs and dykes. The coverage is supposed to be Surry Hills, Darlinghurst, Newtown, Erskineville, Redfern, Moore Park, Mascot, Maroubra and the City, and an area from Pyrmont and Balmain through to Annandale. In reality, it seems much harder to pick up in the western part of the zone.
- Tue 4 May 2004 11:51:17

I personally can't think of a better way to show Gratitude to a DJ then expressing my love for someone to the beat of their music. As you want the freedom to wave your hands in the air, I want the freedom to express my sexuality on the dancefloor. We should all respect one anothers personal space on the floor regardless of how it's occupied.
- Tue 4 May 2004 13:30:13

At the risk of covering old ground, the NSW Liquor Act prohibits "indecency" on licensed premises. If you know of a suitably-sized and located liquor-licensed venue in Sydney where sex is permitted then let's hear about it. Fox - which had tolerated negotiated sex-specific, ACON-supplied spaces at gay dance parties for some years - was found to be in breach of the indecency provision following Pride 2003. Pride 2003 was under heightened police supervision because of the Gay Games Black Party in October 2002 where the organisers failed to negotiate any sex space arrangements with site management - with predictable results. Fox don't want to go there again and on one level, who can blame them?

It's the law that's the fundamental problem - and the Gay Games Black Party stuff-up didn't help..
- Tue 4 May 2004 13:33:34

one positive aspect of a arm in arm,lips locked together couple/3some is they occupy far less space on the dancefloor than those flayling their arms ;-) hehe

what i find quite annoying is having a group of 4,5 or more dancing in a "cirle" with this huge vacant space in the centre, and as more join this ritualistic "circle", they think nothing of pushing and shoving everyone around them further out of the way ... very inconsiderate :-( ... i'm probably oversensitive to this, but it seems that women and str8 couples can be the worst offenders, but that is probably just a massive generalisation :O)
land rights on the dancefloor - Tue 4 May 2004 14:16:35

and who is Trance Trance Trance ???
Ryan Murphy - Tue 4 May 2004 14:27:02

I don't mind squishy dance floors, as in most venues you can find spots on the edges when you need some space to move.

Buying BQN tickets tomorrow! Yay!
Evil Twin - Tue 4 May 2004 15:29:58

Sadly no-one you would know ;-( Just a fan, a punter, a consumer, a non-prominent community member with a heart, a lover of dance and especially of big parties, the Shift, Ruby, GAY and of drag, periodically a letter or email writer, ... (and, well, too much time on my hands over the last couple of weeks haha.)

Two weeks to Inquisition!
Trance Trance trance - Tue 4 May 2004 15:47:49

The advent of the 1st permanent community radio station is an asset to the community. I heard some rare music & minimal but discerning dance.
Signal - Tue 4 May 2004 15:58:10

Take yourself out. remember to dance & smile.
wasted in space - Tue 4 May 2004 16:40:15

The only downside to my City Live experience at Mardi Gras was fairly late in the night when a group of straight people invaded the dance floor and proceeded to stand between my partner and I. Even worse when they decided to all phone conference thier friends about the next QN party! But the clincher came when one of the ignorant girls actually shoved my partner out of her way when she wanted to talk to yet another girlfriend. I politely spoke to her boyfriend and advised if she shoved either one of us again, I would shove back. They retreated fairly quickly after hurling abuse at me for daring to want to dance on a dancefloor.

Second experience was a few thursdays ago when my partner and I made the trip to ARQ. Both of us were having a great time until an agressive group of punters sat at our table during the drag shows, then proceeded to push and bump us at every possible opportunity. We jumped on the dancefloor instead and found people there just as agressive, eventually being forced to dance in a corner near the stage with barely enough room to move our feet. As much as we loved the music that night we ended up leaving early due to these inconsiderate people.
Shanobear - Tue 4 May 2004 16:41:06

Ever seen a bunch of girls dancing in a circle with their handbags in the middle? HILARIOUS! I personally don't have a problem with people expressing love/lust on the dance floor. Though it is when certain bodily fluids are left behind in the aftermath that things get a bit uncomfortable for most. :-|

Oh, and I think Trance Trance Trance is googles of fun!
Hudson - Tue 4 May 2004 16:41:43

Welcome to the real world of intergration. Perhaps now you, and others, understand why supporting more truly gay friendly venues like the Shift, Manacle etc. is important. In those venues, agressive straights are spoken to and dealt with as deemed necessary. At Arq this just does not happen - it's fend for yourself. There is something about Gay Owned and Operated that makes sense.
- Tue 4 May 2004 17:33:40

Yes... at ARQ one Sunday night, girls dumped handbags in middle of dance floor, I decided to light just the handbags in a very narrow white beam, rest of room in black... the handbags were promptly removed from the dance floor... hilarous laughter came from DJ box.. ! :)
Brad W - Tue 4 May 2004 17:50:21

ps - not a dig on your taste, i love trance, just a reminder:)
- Tue 4 May 2004 18:08:15

hehe .. yeah, that's gotta be better than them having the handbags slung over their shoulders creating an arc of destruction as they wiggle them hips and flick the hair :-\

I personally don't have a problem with people expressing love/lust on the dance floor.

so true ... it's a euphoric moment as their tongues retract and lips unlock, they come back up for air and sheepishly look around, and instanteous smiles beam from faces at the shared moment ... but that maybe just an e-xagerration 8-)
land rights on the dancefloor - Tue 4 May 2004 18:14:32

Unfortunately it's not confined to straight venues. I've encountered the same downstairs at the Shift on a couple of occasions, once time resulting in a number of guys being thrown out by security. Another time being told by a certain group of guys to "f*ck off back to Manacle where the bears belong", and the last Ruby party at the Shift almost ended up in a fist fight with a few who couldn't handle thier drugs and got pushy and agressive.

It's all about consideration for others, something which is sadly lacking lately. If I accidentaly bump someone on the dance floor I always apologise to them (anyone who has seen me dance knows how unco I really am!).
Shanobear - Tue 4 May 2004 18:45:53

Hehe - yes but Inquisition has other compensations... Well, hopefully.

I've never actually really totally enjoyed Inquisition - because of the music - but hopefully the atmosphere will make up for that. It kinda did both times I've been but as you suggest I did eventually get a tad bit worn out by the unremitting tribal "Dunk di Dunk Dunk" and looked around for other ways to pass the time.

However I pin my hopes on Mr Crawford this time for even a slight sense of proportion. But in any case the main thing is the harness gets another outing. Le-e-e-e-e-erve the harness!
Trance Trance Trance - Tue 4 May 2004 20:33:25

yup
this year you get a choice of DJs

yay
10 sleeps to go - Wed 5 May 2004 01:50:10

Countdownboy - Back with Avengeance - Wed 5 May 2004 07:34:07

Some things you just can't do on the dance floor-

1. No setting of objects on the floor (glass, bags etc.)
2. No sitting on the floor
3. No passing out on the floor
4. No acts of malice on (or off) the floor

5. If you're straight, express the love OUTSIDE the gay venue. Straights have the rest of the planet to do this in so surely gay clubs can be given a miss?
- Wed 5 May 2004 09:31:05

However, I do agree that cigarettes should NEVER be lit/smoked on the dancefloor. I (and all my friends) have experienced cigarette burns several times from morons who accidently bumped into me. It is pretty brainless to think that holding a lit cigarette is at all safe when people are dancing, jumping etc on a packed dancefloor. It’s bad enough that non-smokers have to put up with the putrid stench and health impacts of cigarette smoke. All smokers should think twice next time and if they must smoke, get off the dancefloor and do it in an appropriate area. I have been pretty nice about it so far but I think if it happens again I am really going to say what I think about the idiots that do this.
TJ - Wed 5 May 2004 10:59:18

No longer shall I smoke and dance - it happens by accident (just lit one and then the DJ delivers - what is one
supposed to do?) I know, I know - put it out!
don't forget to keep your nails short - Wed 5 May 2004 19:30:19

He he he, thanks GT. This week was much smoother than last week. I had my co-host Tony Hamlyn there this week which did wonders for my confidence. He speaks well, is proficient in pop culture and I think he was a great choice for co-host, do you agree? Glad to hear you enjoyed it. We are having a lot of fun doing it and I hope to extend the giveaways and come up with some great segments over time to make it a better show.

In regards to the frequency, I think Beat FM are doing the best they can. I'm not sure of the logistics, so maybe I can ask some of the guys there to jump on board here and explain things a little better.

On a positive note, I have been getting pretty great reception in the car driving around where I live in suburbs such as Kensington, Randwick and into Bronte. I also get pretty good reception in the car all the way to the station, from Kensington through Surry Hills, Broadway and into Liechhardt.

I have found the reception clearer on a clear day, rather than an overcast day, and it also seems better during the day rather than at night. All in all though, I get a pretty clear signal most times. It's a shame that people are experiencing problems. Again, I'll see if I can get someone from Beat FM to jump on and explain things.

Try and hang in there and see if reception gets better.

BTW, if you are looking for the website, it's www.beatfm.com.au

To date, there isn't much on the website, but it gives you contact details. I'm sure if you contact them, they can help you with any info you need.
JK - Wed 5 May 2004 21:36:37

Are there going to be men there in leather ?
LEATHER 4 EVA - Wed 5 May 2004 21:46:28

I will be mixing up a set that will have a predominantly progressive tribal/house feel with maybe a couple of prog trance numbers slowed down and thrown in for good measure. Hoping on making it a sexy/dirty affair with a touch of oh my god i love this fuckin track feel about it!

I'm open to feedback as I want this night to be one to remember.. "remember this moment, Remember this night" Listen out for a few trump cards..But most of all just have a great time.
nealcrawford.com - Wed 5 May 2004 22:01:52

Well then, my ruling is it simply *has* to be:

Perpetuous Dreamer, THE SOUND OF GOODBYE, Armin's Tribal Feel.

Haha - the best of both worlds and surely nearly an anthem by now! (though, to be honest I haven't heard it on a dance floor in a while)

You can play it just for me!
Trance trance Trance - Wed 5 May 2004 23:34:34

Absolutely. There are leather men at every gay party.

Re Inquisition. I will be mixing up a set that will have a predominantly progressive tribal/house feel with maybe a couple of prog trance numbers slowed down and thrown in for good measure. Hoping on making it a sexy/dirty affair with a touch of oh my god i love this fuckin track feel about it! nealcrawford

Neal - sounds perfect. Were you ever in the Dome at 4am? That's what I want - whatever it's called.
Paul Diamondo - Wed 5 May 2004 23:59:17

as will the ace choice of Mandy vs Feisty as the main bracket

so excited!
9 sleeps until Inquisition - Thu 6 May 2004 02:45:57

Well, if a few do then please throw a Rain party.

(it rained at MG, matters less for BQN)
drought - Thu 6 May 2004 09:57:27

This allows us to focus on the Eastern suburbs but not much else. Unfortunately, there are black spots in the broadcast area which we are working on (Goulburn Street near Police station the most obvious) but by and large the majority of the eastern suburbs and Newtown can pick us up easily and clearly.

If you are having major difficulties in reception call us on 9550 0011 during office hours or email us at info@beatfm.com.au. We need to know about these problems and are open to any suggestions on how we can improve our service to you, after all, we are here for you.
Rod - Thu 6 May 2004 10:55:43

Junior B has supported a myriad of the world's best house DJs including Danny Teneglia, Miguel Migs, Mateo & Matos, Chris Lum & Jay-J to name a few.

Toasty new heaters have been installed on the roof & the space is quite cosy & intimate.

$5 Coronas * $5 Vodkas * 1/2 price Long Island Iced Teas
all night long...

A club is only as good as the people it attracts, so thank you to those who make Smooch so special.
- Thu 6 May 2004 13:37:39

I'm worried!!! I look pretty damn dreadful at 8am.
Paul Diamondo - Thu 6 May 2004 19:05:52

Bring it on and the leather ..... WOOF !
LEATHER 4 EVA - Thu 6 May 2004 20:24:34

You are probably right, at the moment, but hopefully enough of the community will support the station and tune in.

What do you have against Beat FM?
JK - Thu 6 May 2004 20:45:24

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