Pinkboard: Party Graffiti Wall 25

This came from the last Graffiti Wall:

Reflecting on all that's been said here over the last few days, I realise that you cannot pigoen-hole anyone of us. We are both young and old. Addicts and non-users. We are anything from bent to straight. We are all pretty smart. We are in many industries. We all usually know how to show sincere respect. Some are poor and some very weathly.

... and MOST of us meet and/or pass each other in clubs, pubs and bars and never really know who is who on pinkboard!
love to party -- party to love - Sun 20 Jul 2003 10:42:19

If it is post-party Tuesday or Wednesday and you are feeling a bit down, please refrain from sharing your depression with the rest of the readers.
Please be constructive with your comments and criticism.

Party Graffiti Wall 24
Party Graffiti Wall 26

Good thing I didn't tell the boss, in my excitement, to shove his job.
Not so honoured - Wed 30 Jul 2003 08:38:35

I know it can be a bit upsetting but at least the shift gets a few extra bucks out of it. The shift was simply overloaded that night. It is probably just a one-off. Good luck to the shift, I say. Don't worry, it is not a place they would keep on coming back to. Getting ignored by all those nice men would eventually starve their egos! And I DO mean that most sincerely!
Dr Maddox - Wed 30 Jul 2003 09:06:41

did the bi one not see it either?
Ms Golightly - Wed 30 Jul 2003 09:22:52

Last Friday I took two very good friends to the Shift with me (who both identify as straight girls) and i jokingly said to the bouncer downstairs....."I don't know these girls, I've never seen them before in my life", to which he replied "well if they're not with you, they are not getting in". So i would conclude the Shift's door policy is to allow straight girls in if accompanied by a gay man (oh my gawd - i feel so empowered saying that!).

Perhaps all their gay boy friends then dumped them there and took off to ARQ to pick up a bit of trade!
Ms Golightly - Wed 30 Jul 2003 09:31:39

Let me answer that by saying....

There are now 66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!! 66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!66 (clickety click) Days to Sleaze ball !!!
Does that answer your question ? - Wed 30 Jul 2003 09:55:25

What are you so insecure about. Are you afraid that your gay friends will turn straight? P L E A S E.

Most of us work in straight environments - we make straight friends. We may even have straight brothers and sisters and sometimes we invite our straight friends to the "gay" bar because we enjoy their company. If we can't party with our friends then what's the point in partying at all.

This city is so up itself for absolutely no reason at all.
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 11:58:53

I often find oxford street is so much less interesting now because of the gangs of straight hoons on a gentrification mission- no thanks- take it elsewhere. It's the lack of safety which keeps me away from O Street, not the hair flickers.
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 12:20:03

I thought those comments may stir everyone up - I concede I made some generalisations. However talking from direct experience, what I've come across lately is an increasing number of straight women who seem to forget that they've come to party in a gay club or think that they are worthy of special treatment for being there (ie. "superstars at the gay bar" as Brendon put it above). I'm not interested being told that it's "such a terrible shame" that I'm gay (try as I might, I can't take that as a back-handed compliment), or that only girls should be in the girls toilet and that I should leave, or that I should stand to one side and let 'ladies' go first or pass before me, or to listen to mobile phone conversations in which she's so shocked that there's boys kissing everywhere. hello! gay venue! Fluttering your eye lashes will not get you preferential treatment here! A lesbian turned to me the other night and dead-panned "are these girls for real?". I've met plenty of wonderful straight girls and women out on the scene, but if you're bringing a straight friend along just take a moment and ensure they know where they are going and what to expect. That's all I ask, so we can all have a happy time partying together.
nathan - Wed 30 Jul 2003 13:47:52

And this is coming from a straight guy who doesn't bring his partner to such venues. I don't mislead anyone: I'm there for the MUSIC & the gentle, intelligent and well mannered company that I only find in gay venues.
deep cover - Wed 30 Jul 2003 14:10:43

(clearly, that was a joke)....look, queue jumping is simply bad manners, however I would be hesitant to make a generalisation on one persons behaviour.

I can only speak for my friends, but I can't really understand why any gay man would invite straight friends to a gay venue if those friends acted all superior and condescending to everybody else, ie, they implicitly put down your sexuality. Who'd want friends (male of female) like that?

Anyhow, I'm glad you find the Shift gentle, intelligent and well mannered [i'm clearly dancing at the wrong end of the dance floor ;-) ]
Ms Golightly - Wed 30 Jul 2003 15:01:29

I read on a previous board that to get rid of the straight girls just say that they look good in drag
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 15:03:53

I have said it before and I will say it again: "Gay" clubs have MUCH more significance for GLBTQI-oriented people than straight clubs have for straights.

Straights have MANY places to go and they don't (need to) think too deeply about it. Queers have only a few places to go and DO need to be protective about their environment. It is where friends and lovers congregate to express who they are and WITHOUT judgement or criticism!

There is a big difference. Please respect the scene!!
deep cover - Wed 30 Jul 2003 18:20:07

Xane
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 18:33:25

Um... YEAH...!

Xane
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 18:34:25

You're kidding, aren't you? Dykes bitch about the straight girls at our venues. Especially the ones who persist in dancing "sexy" on the podiums as though they're the desire of all the dykes in the place. Reality check - they're not. But they're a good comic relief.
- Wed 30 Jul 2003 21:00:28

X
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 00:06:24

The straight women that go to the mens (from my experience only) should flush themselves down the loo! (will Panther let me get away with this one?)
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 09:44:31

X
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 10:39:16

I find I meet girls more in straight clubs now. My girlfriend is also a very pretty lesbian.

Just remember that next time you mock these so-called straight girls because more than likely we are NOT.
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 11:59:27

The girls I was referring to are self-identified straight girls who come to dyke bars with their lesbian friends or with their boyfriends in tow and then get up on the podium. If they want some threeway action, stick to the straight bars.
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 13:21:35

You could always scare them away by making a move on them.
- Thu 31 Jul 2003 14:17:45

Im a long-haired (and fairly cute;)) lesbian and I get attitude all the time from pretentious gay boys. I'm sick of having my sexuality challenged becuase I don't conform to any rigid sterotype.

No, Im NOT a fag hag, Im not looking for my boyfriend and I reserve the right to get the shits when I walk into the LADIES toilets and have shocked boys say to me "what are you doing in here??"

Im sick of my sexuality being challenged on the sole basis of my appearence.
dyke in high heels - Thu 31 Jul 2003 14:45:23

Hopefully the man will have learnt from the hideous mistakes that he made with that God awful set he played in the RHI at Sleaze 2000 when he got booed off by the crowd at the conclusion of his set.

He is playing on the night that Greg Boladian and Luke Leal play a trance set yet the American DJ's (Harris is American) plays tribal house. I hope Harris does a bit of reasearch and realises that he is playing to a trance Sunday night crowd and not a Saturday night Tribal crowd.

I think he would have been better suited playing Arq on a Saturday night. I hope he doesnt f---ck it all up like Sleaze 3 years ago !!
Boladian , Leal , Harris (pick the odd one out) !! - Thu 31 Jul 2003 17:40:46

Talk about milking the community dry. Barry Harris aint worth that much !!!
Barry harris aint worth $30 !! - Thu 31 Jul 2003 17:42:30

But you sound like an exception (that's a compliment)...and if you hang around the scene long enough, you DO get a feel for the trouble makers. We ALL have to stand up for our rights. And being misunderstood is an unfortunate part of it.
slipping through the cracks - Thu 31 Jul 2003 19:16:01

See you There -
Team Ruby - Fri 1 Aug 2003 13:25:32

Anyhow, i've been tapping away to Kim Wilde "view from a bridge" and Cameo's "Word Up" and Spandau Ballet's "Gold" and now believe I am ready for something a little bit more advanced like "DJ 101: Cap worn backwards or forwards!" or "DJ102: Is Carhart the only acceptable t-shirt to wear" or maybe something more technical like "DJ103 - crystal or G?, recognising what your putners are on!"

Anyhow kind DJ if you are still out there, i've got BPM's down pat and am now ready to actually MIX - please tell all! "remember my name, remember..remember...remember....FAME!"
Ms Golightly - Fri 1 Aug 2003 13:47:11

I do have the "smiling inanely" bit downpat though, so I feel i'm making progress. Anyways, many thanks and happy weekend to my very own arbiter of DJ style and knowledge :-) [loved the "i'm off to dubbo" line - may borrow that one)
ta ta
Ms Golightly - Fri 1 Aug 2003 16:29:37

Have you ever watched him? He works hard; listen to carefully. He likes to drop in samples from tracks preceeding and following the current tune, all very creatively. Very brave, as well--mixing up all sorts of great stuff.

He is one of my all-time favorite DJ's.

I haven't seen him for what seems like ages (maybe this Sunday?)
Dr Maddox - Fri 1 Aug 2003 16:45:43

Gawd! Check this out- psycho's invading the fetish scene in sydney- and private dicks on their trail...
- Fri 1 Aug 2003 19:53:56

BUZZ

dj's are baby bear,tim blanchard,johnny challis & doug james

at the 'russian accent' on taylor square
16th august 2003

tix can be purchased @ the bookshop on oxford st....(there will be no door sales)
thanx - Fri 1 Aug 2003 20:37:58

This IS after all where the factionists have split too! No?
The dj's are much better in Mudgee - Fri 1 Aug 2003 20:43:31

Jake Kilby is listed as playing in Vortex Bar at Arq's 4th Birthday on 10 August. See back page of SX.

Yet Fridae has announced that he is playing in Singapore on the same night as part of the Nation Party weekend celebrations.

http://www.fridae.com/magazine/ee20030801_1_1.php

Can someone shed some light please???
- Sat 2 Aug 2003 11:37:39

http://www.screamzteam.com/html/newz.html
Does "Anal Retentive" have a hyphen? - Sat 2 Aug 2003 12:20:42

Arq never bother to update their ads - as usual they are just damned lazy.
AntiArq - Sat 2 Aug 2003 12:33:08

It's a shame the Midnight Shift just has the one general space - I think people get bored of being in that space for too long and head out after a few hours......an idea might be for the Shift to open all floors after 4am - give us the run of the place....new scenery and all that.....
- Sat 2 Aug 2003 17:50:35

Firstly, they are *attracted* to GAY men because many are simply charming! Usually with excellent taste in music, being perceptive and witty, they make many straight men look like Neanderthals.

Secondly, everyone loves a challenge (no easy lay there, right?). Again, it's the straight women with huge egos and latent homophobia, that persist.

How to deal with it? Grab a good mate, give them a kiss and start pointing out and discussing all the great trade around you. They should soon get the mesasge.
If they don't, tell them that they are not pretty enough...
deep cover - Sat 2 Aug 2003 17:55:00

I haven't heard that this happens too often, are there women who actually believe they can hit on a gay guy and convert him? (I remember a Sinfeild episode) Watch out she might spike your drink with Viagra. Only happend to me only once in the many many years I've been on the scene, a divorced woman, no kids, 2 years older than me, talk about a Klingon...! Latched on to me with un un-natural interest in my cruising and sexual activities, so excited to come to the Shift. Hence my dislike of Fag Hags... c-r-e-e-e-e-p-y.

Oh... just for the record there is a significant difference between a straight female friend and a Fag Hag but I'm not sure how to describe it. I don't know if there is a definative description for a Fag Hag, I'm sure it ventures into philosophy. Some women who identify as Fag Hags see it as a positive thing which is curious given the tag is a combination of two derogatory terms. I fail to see any positive aspects bit I accept that I'm a bit old school. A too simplistic description found on google is a woman who prefers the company of gay men, also mentions "Fruit Flys" which is kinda cute. I think that there is subtly much more to it than this with self centered reasoning on behalf of the woman... borders on the patronising, the trendie, illigitimate use of the culture or what the gay community has created for themselves. I don't believe there is a male equivalent... is there...?

Xane
- Sat 2 Aug 2003 19:06:40

As a NHB virgin, I'm twitching in anticipation. Time to get the leather out and dust it off. If you hear no report from mne tomorrow you know it will have been so good that I don't want to share it.

Mutt
- Sat 2 Aug 2003 19:09:43

cute story.
- Sat 2 Aug 2003 19:28:55

T-Girl, that is..
Adam Q. Rot - Sat 2 Aug 2003 22:13:48

VORTEX:
My favorite residents are Paul Goodyear, Alex Taylor, David Whittaker (Baby Bear), Dave Smith, Jake Kilby and Doug James.

Roger Z has some personality problems (sorry, mate) but his mixing style is getting better all the time (THANKS, mate).

ARENA:
Paul Goodyear, Pete Farris and Neal Crawford

Suggestions?

Bring in Chip, Scott Pullen, Mike Kelly and Ben Drayton (if Stonewall, the Shift and Phoneix don't mind). I also *miss* Bill Morley's loungey stuff and I am a fan of Kelly Lynch. (It sounds like Queer Nation, I know..I know, and thanks to Emma Smyth for picking such a good team!)

Friday nights needs Mandy Rollins and Fiesty!

There, that should keep everyone happy!
DJ l-o-v-e-r - Sun 3 Aug 2003 08:18:30

Some great suggestions, considering you mentioned most of the dj's on the scene I guess you couldnt go wrong!
I dont really care what they do with the upstairs music as "trance"seems to be the thing at the moment. But I wish they would put some house music back downstairs, starting with dj's like Scott Pullen, Chip , more of Alex etc. And how about the female dj's in this town- Junior B, Dj Renae to start with ( keeping in line with the house theme) Kelly Lynch could fit in upstairs if they let her!

It seems that there is no difference between upstairs and downstairs there anymore.

Any other ideas?
nevergoingback -maybe - Sun 3 Aug 2003 10:32:56

The interesting thing is ..I could'nt tell you if there were straight men or woman there...Or what drugs people were on...In fact I did'nt even know who the DJ's were until almost the end of the night.
I knew that it was gay.
I knew there were girls there. (Did'nt know there gender preference)
I knew there were drugs. (Don't know what sort)
I knew that there were DJ's playing. (Did'nt know who)
I could'nt tell you anything else because non of it occurred to me.
Four friends went out to a gay party and had a great night.
Then went home The End.
Levi (A gay man who went out) - Sun 3 Aug 2003 13:30:00

Its sooooooo obvious the people typing some of these posts are totally out of it from the previous night.

I always get a great laugh.
- Sun 3 Aug 2003 14:06:09

I like your DJ selection. All trance?, m'gawd-I haven't been to Arq for ages!
- Sun 3 Aug 2003 14:10:10

If you mean straight boys who like to hang out with gay grrls then there definately is an equivalent. We call them 'dyke tykes'.
dyke in high heels - Sun 3 Aug 2003 15:21:23

I know a straight couple that frequent gay bars looking for a boy to take home and 8 of 10 times they are successful.

Strange that. But most of their pick-ups are bi-men just hanging around the bars looking for a bit of action themselves.
Iq - Sun 3 Aug 2003 15:49:38

By some strange twist of nature, I am NOT gay (and many times, it would be easier if I were)
deep cover - Sun 3 Aug 2003 16:11:01

Mutt
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 09:31:47

Oh yeah, I do like Google probable the best search engine around.

Xane
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 09:53:01

Xane
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 10:09:35

But, I do hope the right poeple are watching the program and Courtney/Shane gets 'picked-up' for other work. He has a great presence, is funny and looks fantastic. Good luck to him, I really hope he gets somewhere.
Josh - Mon 4 Aug 2003 13:31:16

http://au.australianidol.yahoo.com/contestants/courtney_act/
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 14:40:22

I think we should all vote for her.
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 15:22:33

Xane
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 18:58:35

I haven't heard of 'dyke tykes', but I don't think I've noticed them either.

People want to belong to groups of thier choosing.
People don't want to be labelled.
Bit of a pickle eh?
Fireman Sam - Mon 4 Aug 2003 19:38:39

yes - funny just thinking the same thing today....
btw - have you ever looked up whilst in there? how weird is it to be in a superclub and have the same ceiling fitting as in most schools/offices... nice reminder of the grind hey?
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 20:05:06

I too have spoken to Ruby and i can tell you that Ruby is very upset that so many of the regular Ruby goers have missed out on tickets. the event is totally sold out and there wont be anymore sales.

It appears that the success of previous events has really caught on and that alot of previous Non Rubys goers have jumped on the bandwagon.

Lets just remember that the Shift isnt really that big. I mean it only takes about 600 tickets to sell the place out.

And we all know there are thousands on thousands more than 600 regular party goers on the gay scene.

I say good luck to the people who had the forsight to get in early.

Its a valuable lesson to the lethargic queens who party after party think they can leave it to the last minute to decide whether to go or not.
My motto - Plan ahead. (and yes I have a ticket to Ruby)........ - Mon 4 Aug 2003 21:13:51

flamingo is so right ...i love going to straight clubs with my boi and showing affection...i give the same atitude to straights in gay venue...its all about the individual these days..

what is bent @ manacle please ??
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 22:01:54

Xane
- Mon 4 Aug 2003 23:40:15

they have sold out.... maybe it is just popular??? as for the suggested publicity strategies, you are wrong in this case but yes it happens with other parties, and yes hype is pretty lame
congrats to ruby team - Tue 5 Aug 2003 00:05:27

I was not "abusing" anyone. As a lesbian, I just don't choose separatist spaces. I choose mixed spaces. In fact, inclusivity is quite the opposite of abuse based on sexuality, no?
Cath - Tue 5 Aug 2003 11:54:37

I get the impression from your posts that you've never experienced being hit on/molested/propositioned by men in mixed space. It's for these reasons - not separatist politics - that some of us like women only space.
- Tue 5 Aug 2003 12:00:18

You'll excuse me if I don't spend a whole lot of time worrying about it though.
Priorities, priorities... - Tue 5 Aug 2003 12:15:43

Firstly, congratulations and well done babe! That camera really does love you. I've never seen you perform live and have only before heard whispers of your name, rarely dipping into the drag scene...but on occassion a stunner arrives and lifts the bar and I'm impressed. Courtney hon, make that audience love you. Train that voice and practice every minute. Choose that song for you in that register that works. Androgyny is a beautiful thing, and it has worked for many a star. All I can say is never underestimate the power of glamour, and use it to your every advantage. Have a great journey and may it prove a long and prosperous. But remember, you better work!
Craig Ingrey (spookily becoming a fan of idol) - Tue 5 Aug 2003 13:00:08

What the hell is "straight" anyway? What is queer? Being gay or lesbian doesn't automatically make you queer. But being hetero and hanging around gay people doesn't make you queer either. What's queer to you may not be queer to me and vice versa.
- Tue 5 Aug 2003 13:09:49

To clarify, I believe completely in autonomous spaces for women's organising etc. It's just that I choose pan spaces for socialising usually. This is not to denigrate women's only social spaces.

I originally responded to the question about NHB. As a dyke, I didn't find it too het, too male, too female, too bi, etc. I just enjoyed it. the rules for NHB around consensuality were pretty clear. Everyone knew the rules and, in my opinion, it was a safe space. Others may have had a different experience of it. But a poster asked the opinion of lesbians- and I gave mine. I would never suggest I speak on behalf of all lesbians- it's just my own opinion.
Cath - Tue 5 Aug 2003 13:19:03

a new Sunday recovery sounds great
but - Tue 5 Aug 2003 12:46:48 sounds like a friend of the promoter as you forgot Phoenix

what will the Bent door policy be?
B - Tue 5 Aug 2003 14:42:57

Thanks for this, we're clearly not straight, but my GF may have a problem with this statement... my sexuality is not that easily boxed.

Sexuality for me is really not all that interesting - it's people I wanna play with, fuck, suck and watch... who cares what (or whether) they nominally identify as (and whether or not that bares any relation to their actual practices).

Regarding NHB - thank you to all patrons for making this the best party we have ever put on, or been to. In my opinion (and in the many thank yous we received) the balance was just right. I saw play from all quarters, and some even I couldn't put a label on. There were no complaints to security or us about any form of harassment, particularly from the way out numbered "heterosexual but not straight" men... (or from lesbians for that matter).

Safe spaces are good spaces, but what makes them safe is not always gender segmentation - we've found a formula that works based upon inclusion.

Thanks again everyone who attended - you made The Final No Holes Barred an event to remember.

Regards,
Ultra
No Hole Barred
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Tue 5 Aug 2003 17:59:06

THE CARD is your key to access BENT, the dayclub from MANACLE. Hold on to THE CARD, its the only way to get BENT.

THE CARD allows access for the cardholder + one guest. Door charge may apply ($5)

Sundays at MANACLE are mixed and as of this Sunday, Sista P joins Chip and Mike Kelly on the decks.

Get THE CARD from MANACLE or from any of the MANACLE DJs.
from "THE CARD" - Tue 5 Aug 2003 19:10:17

Thanks for the info on the two sound systems, but what's this about a kitchen?
audiodroid - Tue 5 Aug 2003 23:51:45

Some of us gals (whether, gay, straight or bi) just happen to have gay male friends. And none of the above agendas, but still get labelled faghags.
I like people without considering their social/political status first.
over the definitions/labels - Wed 6 Aug 2003 01:27:47

Does anyone know any that are free gay and happy?
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 07:53:01

We all like "people first" but I'd like to hear you acknowledge that you understand the rationale behind gay and lesbian people creating social spaces that are primarily - but not exclusively - about them, and why some people think it's quite important that we retain them.
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 08:26:58

perhaps she is a drug dealer? There are many drug dealers who identify as "straight girls". they are easy to befriend.....often it is as simple as buying them a drink with Midori in it.

ta ta
Ms Golightly - Wed 6 Aug 2003 11:07:20

Just a little job for you ... this poll is currently showing 93% of
people oppose 'gay marriage' .... in these increasingly conservative times a
loss of this magnitude could be really bad for all of us ... even if you don't
think that we should get married for whatever reason. We shouldn't be discriminated against just because of our sexuality, and remember the results of
this poll can be used in other ways ... so go to the ninemsn website
below, take the minute to complete it and send it out to everyone on your
e-networks.

Should same-sex marriages be legal in Australia?

www.ninemsn.com.au/sunday
Boogie Boy - Wed 6 Aug 2003 14:31:58

Yeah well, it's all very nice to view the world through these rose coloured glasses, naive as it is. I wont accept, trust or untag people until I know their social/political ...*and* sexual status. Too cynical? Damn right...!

Xane
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 16:40:10

Xane
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 16:43:12

Mutt
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 16:53:01

You're probably right Mutt but Sleaze and Mardi Gras aren't centrally about "pansexuality."
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 17:35:00

No you're right, not any sexuality anymore, sadly. Seems to be all about music, DJs and dance these days. That's ok, I like to dance a bit inbetween men and dark corner encounters. God, it's all too much fun. I don't think I could get my head around a NHB Sleaze.

Mutt
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 19:49:28

Mutt
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 19:53:11

Directions: cnr Pitt and Goulburn Streets, city (opposite the Civic Hotel)

The second Sydney launch for the new album, this time in the salubrious surrounds of the Mandarin Club
www.biftek.com - Thu 7 Aug 2003 18:35:17

REG:
What?
STAN:
I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG:
What?!
LORETTA:
It's my right as a man.

JUDITH:
Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA:
I want to have babies.
REG:
You want to have babies?!
LORETTA:
It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG:
But... you can't have babies.
LORETTA:
Don't you oppress me.
REG:
I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA:
[crying]
JUDITH:
Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS:
Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
REG:
What's the point?
FRANCIS:
What?
REG:
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!
FRANCIS:
It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
REG:
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
Wudolph the Wed-nosed Weindeer - Thu 7 Aug 2003 19:33:37

you are to funny - thanks for the lighten up of Pboards and the flashback:)
- Fri 8 Aug 2003 15:51:11

I think there's something in that for all of us... KKKkkkkkkkkkk

Xane
- Fri 8 Aug 2003 19:00:39

Gruff Tradey, hahaha, what a scream. I predict everyone will do everyone in the car before you get there.

(not allowed out tonight) Xane
- Fri 8 Aug 2003 19:04:09

George was right, "... guilty feet got NO rhythm ..."
Dr Maddox - Sat 9 Aug 2003 20:18:31

A little further up on the wall someone lamented the loss of the days when everyone was on good old e. But no-one actually knew what was - or is - in their good old e and the chances of it containing a lot of the same constituents as those that someone sells you as crystal, are quite high.

I think the message is: be sane and sensible with everything
- Sun 10 Aug 2003 09:06:24

Well there's yr problem. You gotta get out more, the world is bigger than that! ;lol;

++They're coincidentally the only venues in the whole metropolitan area where you're likely to risk being labelled a "faghag." ++

Not true it can happen on notice boards like this one apparently.

++We all like "people first" but I'd like to hear you acknowledge that you understand the rationale behind gay and lesbian people creating social spaces that are primarily - but not exclusively - about them, and why some people think it's quite important that we retain them.
- Wed 6 Aug 2003 08:26:58 ++

Of COURSE i do, chill out i'm not the enemy! I just said i'm over the labels, i think we go too far sometimes. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are some nice people out there, not all of whom are out to get you, whether you think they're faghags or not.
over the definitions/labels - Mon 11 Aug 2003 01:21:48

many of the people (yes Lol, new best friends) there had never been to Manacle or the previous Barracks before as they were too scared to go there, or, girls were not welcome. It may only be on Sundays but it was great.

A friend who never goes out anymore since arq opened and became the 'only option' mentioned it was like the good times of Annies Bar, though i don't quite think it was as debauched. loved dj sista p, seats, cheap drinks, and the leather decor (a fun change).
glad for a club with a friendly vibe on sundays again - Mon 11 Aug 2003 05:44:28

The Beresford closed and every venue, including Gilligans, is terrified that this crowd will come into their venue and create problems so screening is a little intensive after 5am to ensure the safety of everyone inside.

*problems = violence, excessive trashiness (not just trashiness) in a well lit space, and more....

also, since they never had an entertainment license and the authorities finally caught up with them, there aren't live DJs who tend to work towards vibe creation in fragile types needing a little mood elevation or direction
- Mon 11 Aug 2003 13:32:13

L A V I S H is back!!
.....and awaiting your assistance in transporting to the next dimension for
some more dark sexy Fetish Dance Party fun!!

All you Sci-Fi freaks and Fetishists get your imaginations out, it's nearly time to dress up and boldy and itallically come with us to, where no-one has gone (in quite this way)before!!

\~L A V I S H~/
Saturday, 20th September.
Candy's Apartment: 22 Bayswater Rd, Kings Cross.
10pm - Late
Shows: Sen Voodoo @ 1am, Lytex @ 2am.
DJ's: Kelly Lynch, Miss Yetti & Lanny K.
TICKETS ON SALE 14th August
$30 + b/f pre-sales or $40 @ the Door.
@ Gallery Serpentine, Wild One, Reactor Rubber, Karnal Leather, Sax Fetish,
House of Fetish, Baymen (Newtown).

*Can't think of what to wear? We have a Make-Up Body Artist On Site (provided by the very Sexy Galexy from 10pm - 1am, so get there early if you wanna be painted) for colourful torsos and other bits and pieces. Indulge yourself! (from $5)...
*Lavish does not have a strict dress-code, the theme is for FUN and not compulsory.... but if you wanna dress up we won't stop you! Come along and step into a new dimension in fetish.....see you in the parallel universe!

Info: brainchild@iprimus.com.au
New Poster, pics of last gig & review @
www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html
Miss Sam [end transmission] - Tue 12 Aug 2003 01:36:58

response 1: No - it's much more fun to watch others out of it and just pretend to be all mushy with them (cheaper too)
- Tue 12 Aug 2003 10:18:26

I think I was the only person I know who really enjoyed Barry Harris at Sleaze 2000 and on Sunday night he as in good form. Lots of vocal to start and then abit harder and tribally before making it really gay at the end. There was a couple of times when I thought it was turning into a madonna-thon but everyone seemed to like that. The music after the second show was just bizzare and lifeless. Should have shut upstairs and got everyone to groove to Paul Goodyear downstairs

The two shows we could have done without. The Blondie one was like watching Kath and Kim on stage and we laughed ourelves silly whilst the Ashley Swift one seemed to try and cram several songs that didn't go into 5 minutes. Frantic dancing didn't hide the pointlessness of it to me. Personally I think they should get rid of the shows all together on such a night.
- Tue 12 Aug 2003 11:21:33

We are all overweight, balding and very middle aged but love wearing our lycra shorts and bum bags bought nearly 15 years ago.

Watch us take over the dance floor and break into a Nut Bush City Limits inspired routine at 2.30 am.
- Tue 12 Aug 2003 13:40:49

and exactly how will that be different from the last ruby party?
Ms Golightly - Tue 12 Aug 2003 14:55:44

This month, YONI LUNEA (the 'hot but hard' doorbitch) gets her kit off - she's sick, broken and wrong. She did a shocking performance last Saturday at the Final No Holes Barred and whilst this one will be a lot cleaner, we know it still will be worth watching. All fetishes represented in both shows are the model's own!!!

Later in the evening, CAPTAIN WONDERBOI and the luscious HEIDI HOTPANTS play with knives. You like butch boi tops? Or perhaps dazzling femmes? This show will have something for everyone (and a few sharp shiny things to boot).

Our sexy soundtrack for the evening is provided by our resident pervy turntablists MANDY ROLLINS, LANNY K and MISS YETTI after the cheap cocktails run out at midnight.

Since our door bitch is performing, you will see the multicoloured RUSH ELECTRA on the door, taking your money and rating your outfits for that elusive discount... (please note, she is only able to discount to $16-00 so anything off the $20-00 is GOOD!!!)

See you Friday night

Cheers
Ultra & Master Tom
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Wed 13 Aug 2003 11:08:13

Our workplace is restructuring and we're all now working less hours. Knowing the life we lead, our colleagues decided to take Mondays off. Godda make the workplace fit the lifestyle.
- Wed 13 Aug 2003 11:14:19

The phenomenon that is Ruby soons takes the trekking to north of the border on September 27th with the launch of her now famous CD at the Wickham Hotel in Brisvegas. A regular at the Wickham, and die hard party animal, was quoted as saying, "We can't wait to have the old girl up here giving us the ultimate Head !@#$".

Meanwhile, there is the glueing, sewing, and painting going on in the Ruby Workshop getting the last minute touches together. "It's almost like late February" said Head Designer and Stick Insect.
Courtesy of PAA - Wed 13 Aug 2003 13:46:41

Which guy from Stripsearch was it?
- Wed 13 Aug 2003 15:09:56

Dark hair, mono-brow, tatts, ape-like. I only saw the show once or twice so I couldn't tell you his name but it was definitely him. He must have made it right through as I've seen him dancing tragically in a cheesy late-night ad for whatever the troupe is called. He grunted something about me moving out of his way as I was where he wanted to be. I didn't.

They made a big production of going for it against the pool table in the middle of a bunch of gawking queens. Quite strange really as I had thought that his girlfriend was cruising a mate of mine but perhaps she hadn't seen a dyke before.

Hideous.
- Wed 13 Aug 2003 16:08:32

That Amity is one lucky girl.
Green eyed - Wed 13 Aug 2003 16:48:08

haven't been to arq in ages, but if such a tawrdy display is truly going on every week, i'm back with bells on!
Ms Golightly - Wed 13 Aug 2003 17:05:47

http://www.fridae.com/community/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1542
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 11:53:37

It would be interesting to see who has what to say about the awards, and who
will probably receive them.

Categories include:

MOST POPULAR VENUE

MOST POPULAR SHOW

MOST POPULAR DJ

MOST POPULAR MALE PERFORMER

DIVA RISING STAR

SYDNEY'S FAVOURITE DRAG QUEEN

SYDNEY'S FAVOURITE DRAG KING

BITCH OF THE YEAR

ETC

Cast your unofficial votes here.
Diva Curious - Thu 14 Aug 2003 12:00:47

Arq is none of the the above, yet. It is a sensational venue atracting the best DJ's and an up-for-anything party crowd. But the seriously-fun people are moving on or missing. The dodgy element is getting dodgier and the crowd more hostile. Compared to the shift, it's harder to negotiate. I currently prefer the shift but have in no way given up on Arq.

Let's hope someone with influence at Arq reads Pinkboard, often.
Dr Maddox - Thu 14 Aug 2003 12:18:52

And I also agree about Arq's crowd, although at least nobody's been shot yet! Even if the Arq directors read this board, you have to wonder whether they'd worry about trying to change the crowd mix just as long as the cash registers keep ringing at the door. After all, Chris Curtis, Arq co-director, was interviewed in the paper way back in 2000 saying Arq was about 'big business' and his decision to open it was a 'business vision'...nothing about its situation in our community whatsoever.
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 12:46:50

As for Arq, I love it but think they need tighter door control. Mind you, I have no idea how they exercise that control and on what grounds. Difficult one.
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 12:51:55

BUT it'$ not all about money, is it?

Queers can make or break clubs like Arq. like DCM.
Bob the builder - Thu 14 Aug 2003 13:55:09

It sounds like you have a good heart and I know where you are coming from. But never under-estimate the hurt caused by disrespectful straights - these 'displays' are simply very unwelcome reminders!

Queers are a minority. Being territorial is human. Until homophobia dies, you probably won't win this argument even though I wish there were more like you.
deep cover - Thu 14 Aug 2003 14:41:35

moreover, it all comes down to an individual of couples decision on what is appropriate. I could not imagine a gay or lesbian couple "getting it on" in a straight venue...most probably out of fear for their own safety, they would recognise such behaviour as inappropriate.

A heterosexual couple should equally recognise that an overt display of thier sexuality in a predominantly gay venue is just as inappropriate.
come one, come all, but please...not on a pool table! - Thu 14 Aug 2003 14:44:40

PLEASE MEND THE DANCE FLOOR ARQ - I'm tired of tripping on the 'up-turned' parque !!
Josh - Thu 14 Aug 2003 15:00:05

Excellent opportunity here guys to sue the bastards for negligence :o)
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 15:44:44

I think very highly of Arq and what it means to me. I certainly don't want it to become another DCM. It's up to folk like us to speak out.
Don't Cry Mama - Thu 14 Aug 2003 16:27:12

FAV DJ: Chip!!!!!
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 17:25:10

Where is one slightly camp, but overly animated starlet to head in the morning?
Ms Golightly - Thu 14 Aug 2003 22:04:20

Thats the biggest piece of misinformation on this wall this month !

The Shift is now **packed** every Saturday night since the introduction of the "Queen" concept.

If your going to make such a rude and generalising statement I suggest you check your facts before making a total fool of yourself... Again.

Now you go suck on this :o)
- Thu 14 Aug 2003 22:50:15

What do you call two bi's kissing then? A bi guy and a bi gal? Is that offensive? Aren't they just as bent/queer as everyone else? But how will you tell? Define "overt"? No, better still don't.
- Fri 15 Aug 2003 01:20:55

Wish I was as tough as you but I am not. You win.
Givin' up suckin' - Fri 15 Aug 2003 08:26:49

Someone pointed out on this wall or another that in an interview given by Chris, one of the owners, he pointed out that this was a 'business venture' (obviously) and therefore they were in it to make money - I don't think they really care where the $$$'s come from - just as long as they do keep coming.

This is evident by the declining number of gays and lesbians who attend and the increasing number of heterosexuals.

Had ARQ made a point of being a gay venue, do you reckon the numbers in attendance would still be up there as they were a couple of years ago ? I dunno. Now that the Shift is making it's mark on a saturday night (and about time too - and it isn't all THAT bad) and also the Pheonix being popular, ARQ has a distinctive lesser queer feel to it, but it is still predominantly homo.

Just a thought.......
Josh - Fri 15 Aug 2003 09:33:03

what are you ON, sweetie? And where do I get some :-)
- Fri 15 Aug 2003 10:55:58

The problem is that the hip and cool crowd won't hang around when places stop being hip and cool - usually no more than 12-18 months max - and gay people won't hang around once the ambience starts to become ungay. But venues have to keep paying the bills.....So you either do a strict gaycentric policy like the Shift (whose smaller size means overheads etc are lower) and stay gay or you go inexorably downmarket over time.....Home, Arq etc.
- Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:18:33

Out is "special time", I want to see HUGE smiles on peoples faces (and mine) so I'm on this board to make sure my "investment" brings me smiles now and later.

No cool fags? See - - ya, later, then!
Alpine smoker - Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:45:28

Different words - same point !
Josh - Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:52:37

I've never objected to straights in our venues until the last couple of years or so when it has seemed so many of the really good fun, laid back, friendly straights who always knew how to behave in a gay club have been replaced by this tribe of morons many of us are so sick of. Who knows what the solution is, if there is one at all :-(
- Fri 15 Aug 2003 15:05:05

Interesting.....maybe we should start going to these and make them trendy and cool again, wait for the straights to return to their parties then leave to go back to our own party spaces...we might get 6 to 12 months out of it..........
Josh - Fri 15 Aug 2003 15:34:39

In the Show Department: Midnight sees YONI LUNEA (the 'hot but hard' doorbitch) gets her kit off - she's sick, broken and wrong. Then at 1am CAPTAIN WONDERBOI and the luscious HEIDI HOTPANTS play with knives, while ULTRA gets up to no good with one of her dishy girl subs.

As usual, there's $5.50 cocktails and low-volume loungey tunes between 9pm and midnight, plus the perfect pansexual crowd of the polymorphously perverse to play with.

More info? Go to http://www.hellfiresydney.com

The Hellfire Club
Purveyors of Quality Depravity since 1993
Master Tom - Fri 15 Aug 2003 15:35:19

Is that real or scalpers' hype?

We all hate parasitic scalpers, don't we?
- Sat 16 Aug 2003 12:15:45

If you have not got your tickets to the Magic and Mayhem Show at the Seymour Center yet then you really need to start thinking about getting them. Looks like the First Show on the Thursday night will be a sell out.

Info at Ticketek here:
http://premier.ticketek.com.au/Ticketek/pipeline/ticketselect.asp?nt=MAGICMAY03&sc=MAGICMAY03

Or

See their websites www.sherryvine.com or www.cashetta.com
Sherry Vine Fan - Sat 16 Aug 2003 14:03:46

The Shift isnt really that big and a sellout event would be about 500 people maximum.

I think Ruby needs to look to somewhere else for future events. Maybe a day party at the Metro similar to the recent Toybox event ?

Thats a much better idea.
- Sat 16 Aug 2003 15:26:43

it isn't that hard to get the card, it just implies a little forethought. go past the venue or give them a buzz if you have a problem.

btw, considering the $5 max entry rate, it is a lot less exclusive than much of the competition - even for a dayclub.

try it, will be fun:)
- Sat 16 Aug 2003 15:46:09

I ********************STONGLY********************** suggest you do the follow things -

1. Write down this experience on paper or email, then send it post haste to the editor of Star Observer at mail@ssonet.com.au as well as the editor of SX News at editor@sxnews.com.au

2. Also produce a copy of this incident in hard copy and mail it to the licensee.

3. Seek immediate legal advice. I suspect you have an excellent case to sue the bouncer who rejected you as well as the owners of that establishment on more than one count.

4. Report this matter to the Police.

For far too long the bouncers at ****** have run rough shot over the Gay & Lesbian Community. Ive heard of some low act stories from them in the 4 years they've been open but this one takes the cake, and its illegal besides being discriminatory !!

Its time we started to prosecute bouncers who think they run the world. They deserve to be totally put back in their place - ie, Back on the unemployment queue.

.
So sick of bouncers who are dickheads - Sat 16 Aug 2003 17:14:39

The boys are in front with 2 to go tomorrow
- Sat 16 Aug 2003 19:02:55

I totally agree........it is about time someone stood up to these people. Give Marsdens a call. (I am not an employee!)
Josh - Sat 16 Aug 2003 21:46:33

Oh, so you liked it then? Fair enough, but it doesn't inspire me. What is the theme, the point? I don't get it from the promotional material. Flesh: Dressed Up, but then they say Dress Down? huh? As I said, pretty dull. I'm over big parties, they're all the same.
Ned - Sat 16 Aug 2003 22:57:03

again THIS SUCKS but please don't be disillusioned as life throws lots of crap at us, but is how we rise above it that makes us strong

virtual hugs
wish i had been there to slap him for you - Sun 17 Aug 2003 04:09:01

I hope you follow through with so sick of bouncers who are dickheads advice. Don`t let them get away with treating you so disrespectfully.
Bouncers for the dole Q - Sun 17 Aug 2003 12:24:03

Lots of people require continuing access to prescription meds when they're out - not just pozzies - and Clubs should have this understanding incorporated into search protocols as a standard thing. Certainly ACON et al should be phoning round the clubs and pubs on Monday to alert gay community venues to this requirement. You're absolutely not obliged to disclose any specific medical condition to security staff BTW and clearly commercially branded medicine in obvious personal-use quantity should be self-evidently OK.

Disillusioned: I'd make a point of writing - as politely and as unemotively as possible - to the venue in question outlining what occurred and requesting a response from them as soon as possible. I'd be very surprised if they don't respond with appropriate apologies and redress pretty quickly. I'd certainly give them a chance to do so before lawyers/petitions etc get involved.
- Sun 17 Aug 2003 16:42:39

Tell 'em that "... but unfortunately, this fruitless policy violates my basic right to the same quality of health of the next man/woman...". Should work (ask ACON)

What a lousy night!! Talk to them and set it right. stay calm.
Dr Maddox - Sun 17 Aug 2003 16:44:59

Xane
- Sun 17 Aug 2003 18:13:49

Popped over to bent at mannacle and....well, the downstairs room was pretty full, sista p was playing some funky tracks, had a few beers, played pool with 2 dirty big spunks, snogged an even bigger spunk, and went home about 11ish after a nice chilled morning. well worth a look!

btw...disillusioned, settle for nothing less than the bouncer's left testicle. that is just appalling!
Ms Golightly - Sun 17 Aug 2003 22:23:40

a new mixed gay cock-tail club every friday night

opening night friday 22nd august

with mandy rollins & kate monroe

v bar 111 liverpool street sydney (almost cnr liverpool & pitt st)

on the edge of the city @ end of oxford street

dj's - mandy rollins, kate monroe, sioux spears, garry tee, thao & mr flynn
9pm to 3am

$5 @ door
info contact

bumpherbar@bigpond.com

V bar 02 9264 9188

UPCOMING booby trap NIGHTS
Friday 29th August - mr flynn & mandy rollins

Friday 5th September - garry tee & thao

Friday 12th September - sioux spears & mandy rollins

Friday 19th September - mr flynn & mandy rollins
- Mon 18 Aug 2003 06:15:33

Please contact *** A C O N *** (they also have a great book that explains your rights.

Please keep us posted, Disillusioned.
- Mon 18 Aug 2003 13:08:25

Thanks for letting people know about your recent experience with your HIV meds.

We have sought a meeting with the nightclub concerned to discuss this matter, and will also make contact with other clubs to talk through the issues.

If you (or anyone else with similar experiences) would like to contact me ASAP so we can have all the information before these discussions occur, then please contact me at president@acon.org.au.

thanks
Adrian Lovney
ACON President
Adrian Lovney - Mon 18 Aug 2003 16:28:36

It was hot and sweaty and there was condensation dripping from the roof, but I can handle that.

Left there at 5 and met up with friends who had not gotten tickets for Ruby. We had a great time there. They didn't move us downstairs until after 11. And there was still plenty of people there when we left.
- Mon 18 Aug 2003 18:48:58

I guess this was a joke since it was waaay too bassy. On a couple of songs I thought they were going to bust the woofers. I could feel the strong bass with the hairs on my arms when I was sitting down at the mezzanine level. From 12ish to 5ish it was very tribal, except the occasional 80's song, then sort of moved to the normal uplifting style. Normally its the other way around. Didn't have a good as night as I normally would since I couldn't get into the vibe. I'm even more disapointed that I couldn't get a Ruby ticket.
FiremanSam - Mon 18 Aug 2003 22:22:40

On the topic of audio, and I am sure there are others at Arq, but I will say that Alex Taylor, BabyBear and Paul Goodyear are the DJ's that pay extra attention to the audio experience. They never drive the system too hard.

I have got to hand it to Paul Goodyear for achieving the best sound possible - such a perfectionist, he is.
fuzzy eyes, fussy ears - Tue 19 Aug 2003 11:47:09

Sure it was crowded, but thats because everyone's on the dancefloor. The venue is always sold to under capicity for the party anyway.

Can't wait for the next one, I'm sure it will sell out just as fast.
Fan of the music - Tue 19 Aug 2003 12:39:08

I think that "the boys" made that show very watchable...
... and I usually can't cope with those shows - Tue 19 Aug 2003 15:30:11

While John Laws and company might have had issues with Gav and Waz's relationship being broadcast at the "Disney Hour", I'm here to assure you that there are plenty of gay and lesbian couples who are soooo horrified and mortified at Gavin and Warren's on-screen antics that many are calling for them to hand back their "gay" cards.

Sure they clearly have a loving, caring, sharing relationship, but in case a lot of the general public are confused or concerned (history would indicate that the viewing public can be!), there are also a lot of other loving, caring and sharing same-sex relationships going on out there.. in the western suburbs, in the inner east, even on the North Shore, but we don't spend our days clad in nant but Calvins or serving BBQ treats with our butts exposed. Please don't go all crazy like you did when a gay guy won Survivor, or when Johhny From bigbrother was evicted.

Sure they pushed the ratings a bit... drama is what we do...but just in case some one tries to tell you... "the boys" didn't win NOT because they were gay, but plenty of people (gay and straight) wish that that was the reason!

Ben Wilson
- Tue 19 Aug 2003 16:45:02

Saloon (biweekly roster):
Garry T + guests
Mike Kelly + rotating guests (Sista P, Jay Walker, Bryan Win)
(9pm-4am)

Theatre
Dan Beaumont,Renae,Buck Naked
(11pm-very late)

Shows by Claire De Lune and Verushka Darling with the hot dancing boys
- Tue 19 Aug 2003 19:00:13

I think venues that are reliant on gay participation should have the integrity to acknowledge it and, at the very least, be questioned as to their apparent reluctance to do so. Without a gay crowd, Arq would risk sliding into the no-go zone in 6 months.
- Wed 20 Aug 2003 11:15:18

I believe it has a lot to do with Friday nights. At first, I thought the predominantly lesbian crowd would help but it has attracted a more, well "feral" crowd (NO disrespect to lesbians, NONE, OK?)

Some of those ladies look pretty scary, tough and rough. Not very friendly, as well. Their male friends seem to be the alternate types, sexuality irrelavent. Am I right? If so, drop the drag king show for a while and see what happens. perhaps...

Arq's owners would agree that they have to remove the dangerous element. I don't like being flash-photographed, make of that what you will.

Where did the Beresford set go? Some came to Arq on Fridays and Sundays (I can't comment on Thu/Sat). And some of the Imperial crowd came as well, whatever that means?

Arq security is the best around. The doormen are doing their job and in light of whats been discussed, I think they are working on the problem now - maybe casting the net a bit wide but dealing with it (patience!)

The problem is how to screen the patrons properly? Put yourselves in their shoes; how would YOU do it?

Or am I completely wrong?
Dr Maddox - Wed 20 Aug 2003 15:51:51

:} anyone can HAVE that reminder, 'cause I'm all heart :}
damaged goods - Wed 20 Aug 2003 21:05:03

As a dyke who attends the Drag King shows at Arq every Friday night, I like the fact that there's some space allocated to our interests. Not everything has to be marketed to the guys, although guys are welcome at our events. As for the "scary, feral" looking dykes and male friends who attend, not everyone is a steroid-monkey gay boy - we all have our own look and style. Let's encourage diversity!
Drag king lovin' lesbian - Thu 21 Aug 2003 14:56:17

It's not a look but an attitude that irks me. As I stated earlier, no offence intended.
DrM - Thu 21 Aug 2003 17:02:48

It has nothing to do with the Lesbians or Drag Kings BUT has everything to do with business. At the end of the day one persons money is as good as the next. And do you know why this rule wins out over all others??? Because .... no I'm not even going to say it.
Wake up and look at what's really going and has always been going on at Arq.
As far as the rougher, scarier element being seen out on a regular basis ??
Where have you been for the last 5 - 8 years?
Just have a look at Oxford Street on ANY given night.
- Thu 21 Aug 2003 18:06:21

20 years on and I am petrified at the thought of walking on Oxford Street at night. On the rare occassions I do go to a pub or club on Oxford Street I will catch a cab directly to the front door of the place I am going to.

What with beggers , thieves , bashers , drug dealers , thugs and over zealous police with sniffer dogs invading our privacy as we try to walk down a city street is it little wonder Oxford Street at night scares the shit out of me and others.

Quite frankly Oxford Street at night is as bad as Kings Cross.... You could even argue that it might even be worse !!!

We've brought it all upon ourselves.
Nathan - Thu 21 Aug 2003 18:32:31

Smart ass.
- Thu 21 Aug 2003 20:20:11

Oxford St has lost its gay and friendly side because we are now all too old and too edgy for it. It does not seem less safe than when I started going there ten years ago (when the authorities would beat you up, not the vagrants), it just seems more tired. Because I am, probably like you, tired of it. It hasn't got worse, we have just gotten older.

The good old days still exist in the eyes of the youth and I am definitely including those young at heart here.

Make fun and walk down dark streets if you dare. Don't be afraid as we are all out there. Please don't worry about yesterday as babe, it is gone. Make today a fun day and it will be so.

BTW, has anyone on the board been to a party lately? I heard Ram was quite good at City Hotel last week (off Oxford St and safe too)
- Thu 21 Aug 2003 21:01:58

I find that both sides of this debate - vagrants are awful and should be removed and - vagrants are lovely people as long as they remain colourful street features - are equally dispiriting.

To be frank, there's absolutely nothing inspirational about pyschosocially dysfunctional or drug and alcohol-damaged people. But nor is there anything to be gained from shunting them anywhere else. The fact is that several major facilities for homeless and D&A affected people lie within a kilometre of Taylor Square - Matthew Talbot, Campbell House, Edward Eagar Lodge etc. That's a major - and very practical - reason for their presence. But let's not pretend that there's something "lovely" about it.
- Fri 22 Aug 2003 12:53:10

- when I go to my front door and find them pissing over it
- fall asleep in my doorway
- inject drugs on the forecourt of my building and then vomit all over the place
- when they sort through the bins at 3am outside my bedroom window
- when they constantly beg for cigarettes or money and abuse me when I refuse

Shall I go on ?
Josh - Fri 22 Aug 2003 13:21:04

And as always, Ms Golightly nailed it brilliantly.
- Fri 22 Aug 2003 16:23:32

Thank you.... I guess the price for being honest about an opinion is to get 'bashed' for it.

My last word on the issue........
Josh - Fri 22 Aug 2003 16:56:22

Lipstick Porn Party II
Calling all sexy gals!
Complimentary cocktail before 11pm
Female erotic dance performances
Two rooms of fantasy
10:00pm to 3:00am
And we have not forgotten our single sisters, for you it's Candy Box - register, take a number and taste some candy (and make new friends). Candy Lips very own sexy cupid divas, the Love Police, will be on patrol for a night of arresting lipstick smearing corruption!
Dress: Sexy, Sassy, Seductive
No effort = no entry
All females welcome. No attitude party.
Date: Sat 13th Sep, 2003
Time: 10:00 pm
Venue: V Bar, 111 Liverpool Street, Sydney
City: Sydney
Cost: $25 (+bf) or $30 at door

This has been a community announcement...
InfoBot - Fri 22 Aug 2003 18:38:33

but

I'm pissed. For years Pride copped flack about ignoring partygoers comments culminating in last NYE being a disaster mainly because no one or the younger gen. did not know the DJ's etc so fled other parties. So because of their attitude the greatest venue ( in my opinion ) has gone down the gurgler.
And dont feed me the bullshit that big parties are passe. Big gay parties maybe but straight ones are getting bigger and my friends went to the Mobile Home party and said crowd was hardly any different to gay party, maybe a few
backpackers who were annoying but enjoyed the party.

So if Pride NYE is in a nightclub then they wont be getting my support. I hope
its a venue along the lines of a warehouse/Alexandria Basketball Stadium/
Technology Park etc.

Yeah I know this sounds pathetic but I've supported them since their inception,
filled out their questionaires etc and no one can deny their "we know better"
attitude of years past.
A great party "possibly" gone.
Could just cry - Fri 22 Aug 2003 19:10:52

Just over 2 weeks before the show starts!!! YAY
GayTours - Fri 22 Aug 2003 20:02:23

How is this "bashing" anyone, Josh? Now the word "disdain" becomes bashing? I haven't seen anything written on here in the last few posts that could be considered anything other than disdain for the homeless. I agree with you Henson.
Queeny - Fri 22 Aug 2003 21:10:16

i think the street worker, josh, pauline and ALL of you have nailed it

just congatulate each other for having differening opinions that add up to a thought rather than worrying about who is right.

we are all right or wrong in our own ways, and though i do get bothered by being hassled for cigarettes and "spare change" (like i carry spare money), i understand that these people who we morally spit on have hearts, minds and souls and deserve every bit of respect we can give them. if giving them money is your way... fine. if ignoring them so they can't make enough to eat or trash themselves then (in the hope that they might change their lives) fine also

just please don't bicker about this - and to clarify, i have not seen as many situations involving violence on the strip from vagrants as i have from opulent club patrons just having a bad day (for whatever their reason or chemical concotion is)

not trying to stop the debate as it is great people have responded with such honesty but remember we ARE all on the same team (whatever the sexuality or lifestyle)
thanks - sorry for the sap - Sat 23 Aug 2003 02:20:58

second laugh of the day goes to you:)

and vagrancy is a crime silly. if you don't have $10 in your wallet and you are caught on the street you are a vagrant... simple as that.
so the comment about people leaving arq on any given day is probably right

i think here vagrants are those who never have ten dollars and live on the street in search of it, so they can buy drugs/alcohol or less often "food"

homeless people are different and vagrants are not always homeless though often are. the oxford st vagrants tend to not sleep there in the doorstep huddle you see as characteristic of homelessness and are most often substance abusers who don't want to change despite the catch cry of "have you got any change?" sure i have change... come home with me, lets get you washed and loads of counselling and a job if you are up to it so you can look after yourself in the way capitalist sydney requires. would much prefer this than to keep handing over my "spare money" to people who seem to waste it much better than i can

and hey, reffos isn't in the same class of word at all. refugees deserve to live here as much as us and let's not hear any of that junk about my parents did this or that to make this country this way, because their parents tried too, they got stuck in horrible environments. siurely the whole concept of national borders is flawed

oh yeah, this is the party wall

um....... yeah when is frisky?
- Sat 23 Aug 2003 16:48:55

"You may not have noticed - and if you are over 40 you may not care - but the most influential cultural movement of the past two decades is drawing to a close. Dance music - the genre that revolutionised the way the British dress, speak, drink, take drugs and socialise - is said to be in its death throes. Trendy young things are turning away from electronic bleeps and thumping bass in favour of traditional rock. The vast "super-clubs" which sprang up when raving was all the rage are closing down. The "super-DJs" who once reigned like gods over these temples of hedonism are packing up their vinyl and limping into retirement."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;
- Sun 24 Aug 2003 14:33:29

What is happening though like what happened to our Gay parties here in Sydney is there are more and more of them competing for the $. So numbers have gone down from the days of 1 big Mardi Gras attracting something like 22,000 - 25,000 to 4 or 6 or more parties over that weekend. The nbrs are still there, just split up between more parties aimed at a particular music type.

For a large scale party like Mardi Gras and Sleaze and straight ones like
Gatecrasher the way around this is to offer at least 3 halls with 3 distinct music types - Commercial/Handbag in one Hall , hardhouse/trance in another and depending on which city you are in the 3rd Hall would have R & B or Retro or
Latino etc.

For upcoming long weekend in October pick up the gay rags , 3D ( straight mag)
and just look at what parties will be on - so far there is Sleaze and probably
Queer Nation on Sunday night and there is a big party at Homebush Bay on the
Sunday night - so between just these 3 parties nbrs could total 25,000 or
more.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings........................ - Sun 24 Aug 2003 15:36:26

Too much of ANYTHING (whether it kills you on the spot or years later) should be counselled against.
- Sun 24 Aug 2003 16:28:15

As I was reading this I thought G-Hater was referring to Crystal because of:
"At best, you will turn violent, possibly psychotic and not a nice person to be around"

I've never tried G and I try to be well informed about all party drugs for the sake of harm minimisation, but I don't recall ever reading about GHB, a CNS suppressant, having these effects. As with all party drugs, you should always be with a buddy who knows what you're taking incase things go wrong, but I wouldn't have thought you were in any greater risk as G-Hater states "When you are unconscious you can't protect your airway - you risk the possibility of stopping breathing" being in a G-Hole than would would be passed out drunk or if you are in a K-Hole. If you ever have someone apparently unconscious you should always follow the ABC's of Airway, Breathing, Circulation, and put them in the coma position so they can't choke.

Remember those dreary episodes of QAF where Ted spent days in a coma due to a G-Hole? Well I've never found any information anywhere that supports that this could happen. I believe in harm minimisation as well, but a major part of that is to be properly informed so that G-Holed partiers don't get rushed unnecessarily off to emergency just because their friends didn't know what they were taking and wigout when things seem to go wrong. If G-Hater can point me to some reliable source of information on what he is claiming I'd be very interested to read it ... in the meantime erowid.org seems to be the bible on all things drug-culture related.

Btw .. i hope this doesn't sound like a flame of G-Hater, it's not meant to be.

Cheers
Harm mininisation starts with knowledge maximisation - Sun 24 Aug 2003 16:48:55

Check this link out. It's local info and does in fact reinforce some of the things G-hater was saying. My perspective is- do what ya wanna do, as long as you know the risks involved. But I always want to hear the negatives too- I don't want to die.
- Sun 24 Aug 2003 19:03:57

Drugs are bad.

If you take them

You are mad.
a life lesson - Sun 24 Aug 2003 19:05:05

Here in Oz, we're not shocked and horrified at the fairly obvious reality that
people in our community will party with drugs and alcohol. Our aim is to acknowledge that through a harm minimisation approach. Thank God.
- Mon 25 Aug 2003 08:44:20

Mon 25 Aug 2003 08:44:20 - thank you for this correction. My information (which came from a medical practitioner who provides medical services at community events in and around the Castro) was that a major dance party, on Fire Island, was stopped half way through as a result of "drops" from the stuff (and there were fatalities involved. Can you imagine what that would be like at Mardi Gras? It would be a nightmare. But really, the details are irrelevant. The fact is the stuff is a curse.

"Harm mininisation starts with knowledge maximisation" - no flame perceived, however the drug does have that effect. It is a CNS depressant, however it has those paradoxical effects. I am always very cautious when about to insert an airway into an unconscious person who has allegedly taken the stuff - coz often they come up punching. As for psychosis - let me assure you it does happen.
As for support people, yes many people do have them around them. I feel very lucky to be a part of our community. The number of times I've been treating fallen people (regardless of the cause) and have had people who are total strangers to the casualty sitting there and supporting them. We do look after each other. But, hey guys, come on - the stuff spoils everyone's night/day/event.
G-Hater - Mon 25 Aug 2003 11:46:17

"if you're going on a g-had"...very good! :)
Ms Golightly - Mon 25 Aug 2003 13:37:14

The point about G - as with all party drugs - is that most people who take it don't experience the shocking experiences that you refer to. That a minority of people certainly do doesn't alter that fact. Clearly all drug use incurs risk but it's just not realistic to bang on about one drug as 'The Problem.' All drug use can be problematic. The aim should be to ensure that everyone is aware of all the risks, balanced with the knowledge that most people seem to manage, most of the time. We need to pitch the message - as far as possible - towards keeping as many people as possible in that sane and sensible use parameter.
- Mon 25 Aug 2003 13:48:32

THANK GOD. now those who actually LIKE the music and don't just think it is cool or that they can profit off its popularity will go away and leave the rest of us alone. Maybe small clubs owned by people who do care and try to support creativity will lose the capitalist conglomerate competition.

also, since public liability and the 1996 (or '97?) Code of Practise for Dance Parties, the GST etc, the transient/'fun before money'/unregulated dance scene is now an institution and an expensive and tiresome one. you practically need a degree to throw a party and by the time you've finished you are over the idea. regulations did have a positive side (like fire exits, drinking water etc) but they seem to fit more now within the network of government control

dance music is NOT dead, superclubs and super-profiteering is

also, also - G hater you rule! does anyone remember the film Total Recall (ofcourse you do as it has Arnie in it)? Remember the scene where he and fem partner are thrust into the Martian atmosphere and start to convulse, bubble and disfigure? I know of people even this week lying on lounges at oxford st clubs, frothing at the mouth and looking like a cross between this scene and literal death. twenty minutes later after everyone else had freaked out, left, or their drugs had worn off out of worry/shock, they are up and dancing again. what gives? was that fun for you babe? ten points for the good look. ditch the G for going out, it aint for clubbing, leave it to the bedroom where we don't have to watch you like that please. btw - out of interest, how many people have been ambulanced from arq just this year from G drops? bet they would be closed down if that info got out...
box surfer - Mon 25 Aug 2003 13:52:52

It is known that taking crystal meth does your body harm if you are taking it at least fortnightly for a few months in a row. Someone here mentioned before a support website for people who are "emotionally" addicted to this stuff.

People know about the dehydration and over hydration rules with E, but the only thing I have heard about G is ABSOULUTELY no alcohol on the same night
information wants to be free - Mon 25 Aug 2003 18:27:59

### To be smart, try not to drink any alcohol or take more GHB within 2 (T-W-O) ### hours of the last GHB dose.
Dr Maddox - Mon 25 Aug 2003 19:20:17

this is and would NOT be an advocation or encouragement to use drugs, but may help if i find someone bubbling and convulsing next to me again. it was so frightening to watch someone apparently OD and (especially having OD'd myself before on a drug cocktail) to not know what to do or how to help beyond calling an ambulance which is not always instantaneous.

as nightclub workers, we can arrive in court for not reporting such occurrences at dance parties quickly enough or at all (especially in the case of the dj who is often elevated and has the best vantage point in the room and a necessary voyeauristic tendency).

final point, can all k users please mark their bags with "k". since it is pretty clear it is a drug, what difference does it make if you get caught with it? it just helps when you offer a line of speed or coke to someone, get your bags mixed up and it turns out to be k.

for those who don't take k or like/handle it and have had this happen, as it does all so frequently, it is one of the most unpleasant experiences....

kind of like G in a water bottle, especially if you have been drinking and get the heart stop scenario
help me - Mon 25 Aug 2003 19:42:32

Everything has the propensity to do what you've described. I don't think you're hypocritical. But you mightn't be all that well-informed. People have been having bad experiences with substances for the entire 25 years I've lived in Sydney's gay community. Being safe and sensible with everything is far a better message to put out than one that just demonises G. Heroin for instance has taken more gay people out than G ever will, likewise speed. I hear you loud and clear but accept that people do use, will continue to use and most people will do so without major incident.
- Mon 25 Aug 2003 23:34:03

And it's not about being "politically correct" or inviting people into my home. It's about having a sense of responsibility for humanity- even when it takes a different form than my own.
- Mon 25 Aug 2003 23:49:20

checkout www.bluelight.nu for really usual info on all party drugs.

apologies to panther if the following is abit long, but it really describes what they are about:

What is Bluelight?

The New Bluelight is an international message board that educates the public about responsible drug use (with a focus on MDMA) by promoting free discussion. We advocate harm reduction and attempt to eliminate misinformation. Bluelight is funded by private donations and maintained by a team of volunteers.

Bluelight does not condone or condemn the use of illegal drugs. Bluelight is a place for people to ask questions and educate themselves about drugs so they can make more informed decisions regarding their personal use. Other programs that advocate complete abstinence have had limited success, so Bluelight anticipates that people will continue to use illegal drugs regardless of the potential health or legal consequences. We want to encourage people to take personal responsibility for the choices they make regarding their drug consumption.

Harm reduction is the practice of taking reasonable measures to minimize the risks from drug use. Common harm reduction activities include encouraging people to exercise moderation in their drug consumption and to understand the purity or dose of the drug they are consuming. There is no such thing as safe drug use, but if someone is educated in the general principles of harm reduction, they increase the odds that their drug use will not lead to short-term disasters or long-term negative consequences.

Beyond harm reduction, Bluelight also seeks to educate the public about drugs by summarizing whatever information is known about a subject. Bluelight aims to deliver accurate information in an easy to understand manner that emphasizes safety. We also try to eliminate misinformation whether it exaggerates or understates the danger. If facts are unavailable, then honest anecdotal stories can provide useful information so people have an idea of what to expect.

Since Bluelight seeks to reach the widest possible audience, we take a balanced approach that allows the discussion of both the positive and negative aspects of drug use. We believe that education and harm reduction are more effective than using scare tactics or exaggerating negative claims. Anyone looking through our site will be able to find examples of irresponsible behavior, but we believe it does not glorify recklessness but instead reinforces the idea that people need to be more cautious. Everyone is encouraged to candidly discuss past experiences and ask any questions they might have.
Harm mininisation starts with knowledge maximisation - Tue 26 Aug 2003 01:23:09

I hope its not gonna be a club. Hopefully a warehouse or similiar - does anyone
have any idea ?
They ruined it - Tue 26 Aug 2003 07:46:35

I don't think any charity/community group has much chance of raising funds using the old dance party model.
Kitten - Tue 26 Aug 2003 09:06:23

Taking "recreational" drugs has been identified as a major factor in expose of HIV positive people to infections such as PCP. So why do people do it? (I am not saying that the person refused entry had illegal drugs). Many people are busy filling themselves with HIV treatments and then sticking immune damaging illegal drugs into their body.

I don't want to even get started on how people could be practicing safe sex when they are on something like G....
Why Drugs? - Tue 26 Aug 2003 09:18:45

...which makes G rather like smoking I suppose.
- Tue 26 Aug 2003 12:03:23

It easy to have a go at the people who use G, but I also know people who aren't content with taking one E at a time. I've been out with people who take 2, 3 and on one occasion 4 at a time. Needless to say the effect was not very pleasant for him, but also the people around him and looking after him.

G-Rocks !
- Tue 26 Aug 2003 12:44:30

The interesting thing about this drug is that you dont know that you came close to death, so for those who say they have never had a bad time on it, are you sure?
NotG - Tue 26 Aug 2003 12:58:14

I actually found the 2 following quotes the most interesting aspects of that article.

"About 22,000 people come to the Mardi Gras dance parties and out of this about 540 people present at the Medical Unit, that is about 1.5% of people get into some sort of trouble. The large majority of the community party well and party safely with drugs."

Followed by

"Young people who do get into trouble are people who fall outside of the gay and lesbian community, and who decide for some reason to party for that weekend. They will then take a lot of drugs with little experience and mix it with alcohol. Often they are in their late teens, young girls who think it is very ‘cool’ to come to Mardi Gras."

So, are the number of "drops" we see from G each week significantly greater than the 1.5% rule suggested above? Clearly, a g-drop is far more serious than "getting into some sort of trouble", but say, a 1000 people go through arq on any given saturday night, then 10.5 "drops" would be consistent with the incidence of problems with other recreational drugs.

I don't know...exactly how many are we seeing?
Ms Golightly - Tue 26 Aug 2003 15:30:32

and I believe Arq are cracking down on people who OD and have to be escorted from the premises in the way of a ban. Not sure how effective that will be really at the time most of the drops happen (after 4am?), different security personnel are on duty than when the club opens - and lets face it, if you've seen someone drop on G, their face contorts to something unrecognisable to what you usually look like - so how will they remember you ???
- Tue 26 Aug 2003 16:01:06

There has to be some kind of work-around. If insurance is so exxy , maybe approaching as a group ie NMG/Pride/Acon etc and see if can get it cheaper ?

If only there was a venue in-between the Hordern and Home/Arq without the
nightclub feel ie a big barn/warehouse ?

Oh well day dreaming I suppose.
Sigh - Tue 26 Aug 2003 17:58:23

Sweety, don't mean to get to the point but does it matter how many are we seeing anymore? We hear about stories of G deaths from the US but let's be honest, that never really changes anything here.

A young lad from Sydney's city gay party scene has died. A young cute local kid just starting out in the scene, learning from others how to have fun (such an ironic statement really). He went to Ruby, then on to Arq, then continued, as you do, with friends, well into the evening when it happened.

If you or your friends are taking G, just reflect on the current escalation of seriousness. The ambulance stretcher has been replaced with a coffin - fact, not some story from the US. G is a cheap drug that needs to be made socially unacceptable by those who have influence on the party scene. Most venues already have a Zero Tolerance towards the drug but this needs restating. Barmen need to identify and frown on its use, dealers need to take it off the menu (all of them), the community needs to be re-educated about this killer.
G Free Zone - Tue 26 Aug 2003 19:55:49

But the real reason apart from its cheap, its fun, and you have fabulous sex.

My imune system loves it.
(little to no come down and i can actually work on monday)

This is my experience with 'G' ...i hope this helps
G responsible - Wed 27 Aug 2003 09:47:25
Pinkboard cannot condone the use of illegal drugs.

(1) Uncle Swampy's Record Box - this Friday 29th September, 2003 at ICEBOX to hear Lanny K, Miss Yetti and Oberon play, and watch a show by Trash Vaudeville!

(2) Pickabox on Friday 12th September, 2003 at ICEBOX to hear Aunty Sylvia return to a set of decks in Sydney after too long an absence!

(3) Lipstick Porn Party II on Saturday 13th September, 2003 at V BAR to support Janine who wants to make a club where girly girls who like girls are prioritised!

(4) Biversity's Luscious Party on Saturday 30th August, 2003 at Candy's Apartment because it's a good cause - yay for bi visibility, and safe places where girls and boys can play together.

(5) The Hellfire Club <LOL well I am biased> on Friday 19th September, 2003 at ICEBOX to hear Mandy Rollins, Lanny K and Miss Yetti, and see MISS PETITE go Japanese in true Geisha style.

It's shaping up to be an excellent few weeks, I'm going to be very tired!
Here's to a great bunch of different promoters, putting together a bunch of interestingly different events!

XX
Ultra
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Wed 27 Aug 2003 10:59:43

The death of a young man is undoubtedly a tragic event that will give many people pause to reconsider their drug use and the consequences of it. Blatant labelling of a community as pathetic and misguided assertations that a community has hit rock bottom will not!
Ms Golightly - Wed 27 Aug 2003 15:11:06

Yes, everybody is entitled to an opinion...i just found certain aspects of your opinion unnecessarily broad. I can only speak for myself but my decision to take drugs has nothing to do with a lack of "coping skills" or an inability to "socialise in a public space and have a dance" without them.
Ms Golightly - Wed 27 Aug 2003 18:44:20

Hundreds of thousands die from alcohol and tobacco too. Lets outlaw them too.

In fact life is just too risky. Lets destroy the world.

The other option is to let people make their own decisions about how they lead their lives and what risks they choose to take.
- Wed 27 Aug 2003 19:26:49

thanks a lot - you don't need to post tv spoilers here
that was not relevant to this discussion
you wrecked my Wed night's viewing - Wed 27 Aug 2003 19:53:32

btw - i have OD'd on E. it meant a week in hospital with people dying around me... not fun.

it took me a long term to put aside all the other logical sub-reasons that caused the eventual demise of my kidneys and lungs, it was essentially an OD in the general sense of the word. making excuses and reasons does not help. blaming friends for not doing the right thing is no help. blaming the dealer for a dodgy batch does not help. blame yourself if you end up at poor G-hater's medic tent because you took the risk and you did it

alcohol is just as bad, and tobacco is worse because you don't even get trashed on it

risk city but what will we do? keep dropping em til we drop i guess
reality check - Thu 28 Aug 2003 01:36:39

and i personally want all those wretched people who can't handle going to a pub without the need to drink alcohol and listen to kylie to be put up against the wall too ;-)

"In fact life is just too risky. Lets destroy the world." ...

will this be the next justification for war by The Coalition of The Misleading are gunna wheel out when they still can't find those pesky little WMD's? ;-)

Lighten up guys .. "Don't fruck up someone else's night by fruckin up your own" is a good motto to take your dwugs by.
George Dubbya's WMD problem: Where's My Dwugs - Thu 28 Aug 2003 02:17:48

Thank You , someone on here with a brain. (finally)

much more realist advice :-)
- Thu 28 Aug 2003 09:23:43

I don't think this would make difference in the eys of the law should they be involved. Who would they have an 'influence' over ? If you mean the owners/managers of the venues, I doubt they would be stupid enough to leave a trail back to them if they are knowingly allowing drugs to be sold on their premises.....
- Thu 28 Aug 2003 18:48:32

Human beings have used brews, potions and powders since the dawn of time, in order to enhance the pleasure of the moment - and all of them carry risks. It's not the substances themselves that's the problem, it's our use - and misuse - of them.

We need to understand this and adapt our behaviour acordingly. A sane and sensible approach is far more valuable than hysterical screeching about a specific substance. What's more, it works. I think that the people who've posted here supporting a balanced, harm minimisation approach to substance use and abuse and way more grown up than you seem to think.
- Fri 29 Aug 2003 08:26:24

Uncle Swampy's Record Box returns for its 3rd big night TONIGHT Friday 29 August at The Icebox.

A lucky dip of ear kinks and eye screams, this outing includes live vocal performance by the very spunky SABA, some terminally weird shit by TRASH VAUDEVILLE and an eclectic selection of diverse DJ's including UXB, ROBERT LAKE, VOVANOVA, MISS YETTI and LANNY K.

It's a cheap n' cheerful ten bucks at the door, all cocktails are only $5.50 until midnight and there's no such thing as a dress code.

Uncle Swampy's Record Box is on the 5th Friday of any month that has 5 Fridays ... now that's regularity!
Craig/Tom - Fri 29 Aug 2003 10:42:10

If they want to start using G they should educate themelves, know the source and know the risks involved.

If you are prepared to take the drug you should be prepared to accept the risks.
- Fri 29 Aug 2003 13:04:26

Anyways, I might be going to Uncle Swampy's Record Box tonight, so who or what is TRASH VAUDEVILLE?
- Fri 29 Aug 2003 13:23:42

I saw this letter in SSO yesterday and thought it was hilarious ! I hope you find it as funny as I did -

I refer to your story in SSO 675 re the interview with DJ Seymour Butz.

In the interview he is quoted as saying "And over the loud speaker a Thunderpuss remix of Dannii Mingoue comes on... It's an instant soft-on".

Could Seymour please get in touch with me and tell me how to get a copy of a Thunderpuss remix of ANY Dannii Minogue song because I'm a big Dannii fan and I really want to hear the Thunderpuss remix.

For the record Thunderpuss has NEVER remixed any song by Dannii Minogue !!

Jason Boyd
Totally Funny !!!!!!! - Fri 29 Aug 2003 13:45:35

Hey, it's cheap anyway, take the chance ...
Craig/Tom - Fri 29 Aug 2003 14:00:32

Indeed, Ms Golightly almost frowned yesterday, thereby reversing the benefits of six (expensive) months of botox...(that's one dependency issue, i will put my hand up for!)

Anyhow, more of the old party wall, i say! Lets return to slagging parties we haven't attended, assasinating the reputations of DJ's we haven't heard, bemoaning the quality of trade we didn't get with, and describing outfits we would have worn if 2 (ok 3) sizes smaller [oh wait, that last one probably just applies to moi].

Fun and safe weekend to you all and viva-la-party wall!!!!!
Ms Golightly - Fri 29 Aug 2003 14:21:15

i wouldnt even get a soft on -
it would be a shriveller
one night in bangcock - Fri 29 Aug 2003 16:15:08

People won't educate themselves. They will rely on other people to educate them and then complain when they weren't told.

Yes, this is a generalisation, but it does apply to many people. There is also peer pressure to take drugs.
Arti - Fri 29 Aug 2003 19:02:42

hi Folks,
just a reminder..... (tickets on sale now)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
\~L A V I S H~/ Goes Cyber-Freak-Fetish!!!
Saturday, 20th SEPTEMBER.
Candy's Apartment: 22 Bayswater Rd, Kings Cross.
(parking station opposite)
10pm - Late
Shows: senVoodoo @ 1am, Lytex @ 2am.
DJ's: Kelly Lynch, Miss Yetti & Lanny K.
TICKETS ON SALE 14th August
$30 + b/f pre-sales or $40 @ the Door.
@ Gallery Serpentine, Wild One, Reactor Rubber, Karnal Leather, Sax Fetish,
House of Fetish, Baymen (Newtown).

*Can't think of what to wear? We have a Make-Up Body Artist On Site
(provided by the very Sexy Galexy so get there early if you
wanna be painted) for colourful torsos and other bits and pieces. Indulge
yourself! (from $5)...
*Lavish does not have a strict dress-code, the theme is for FUN and not
compulsory.... but if you wanna dress up we won't stop you! (though we could have some fun trying to restrain you)! Come along and
step into a new dimension in fetish.....see you in the parallel universe!

Info: brainchild@iprimus.com.au
New Poster, pics of last gig & review @
www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html

Cheers
Mz Sam & Lytex
(aliens welcome)
- Sat 30 Aug 2003 05:39:43

You could offer your guests an out-of-Sydney experience and go up to Lismore for Tropical Fruits.................it's kind of like Darlo-on-sea in the Byron area during Xmas/New Year, but with a more laidback feel.
- Sun 31 Aug 2003 09:33:47

Surely the best way to advertise your event would be to put on an excellent show so that people will want to see more of you? Or is it not worth putting in an effort for a bunch of bisexuals?
- Sun 31 Aug 2003 16:17:04

Absolutely it's worth the effort! And with fliers, most promoters ask the nights promotor - or they should - whether it is OK to promote your night at their night. Most promoters allow cross promotion too.

I know regarding Biversity on Saturday night I asked the promoter (and birthday boy) about putting up Hellfire flyers in the toilets... and the reason I asked? We target a bisexual audience, so basically, yes, there is a reason to 'put in the effort for a bunch of bisexuals'! Anytime you want shows aimed at you -with effort-, please feel free to drop on by, we're on the third friday of every month at Icebox, and we're "so bisexual it hurts" as we jokingly said at Biversity.

Our next night, Friday 19th September, 2003, includes performances by: Susie Q (Miss Petite titleholder from the Miss Nude Australia Competition) doing geisha antics, The FireArt Fanatics (who do flame licking, pois and much more) and Master Tom who posts regularly on this board. Plus there are always spontaneous audience shows.

Regards,
Ultra
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Sun 31 Aug 2003 19:02:25

heya Craig,
yep, i sure will pass on your slap!
:)
Ms Sam - Mon 1 Sep 2003 00:58:02

hiya, i'll respond to this as Lytex isn't online. yes, you're absolutely right, the show did suck (with both lips)! though i've gotta say i always find it fascinating when people decide all the facts about something without actually knowing any of them. FYI the show started late becoz the dj was errr... "not ready" to hand over, or ease the tracks off etc... the lighting guy was rehearsed that afternoon, (so there was effort put in for a "bunch of bisexuals" of which i'm one, not sure what you mean by that comment) was ummm... nowhere to be found at the time the performance was supposed to start and apparently nobody had been instructed to step in or knew what to do. we were waiting for them to sort it out and then the track to the song Lytex was to perform started without anyone checking (all the "stage-management" factors necessary to micro-manage performers in a crowded noisy environment). Lytex, went on like the trooper that he is and tried his best. The track kept jumping (didn't you notice?) and the lights went on for 2 seconds then off again, all a bit of a mystery. there was really no point in trying to salvage what was left of a messy performance so Lytex left the stage, with dignity, despite the circumstances, i might add. meanwhile the dj had disappeared, hence the scramble of people to attend (finally) to the track playing (not the one even planned by lytex). the folks from Biversity asked Lytex to come and perform and we went there primarily to support them/their gig and also to support Candy's as we often do. Lytex only did the second (impromptu) show as a favour to the Biversity folks, as they felt badly about the lighting stuff up etc. he had not intended to wear that t-shirt on stage, though it sure was a bit of very cheeky blatant advertising on his part to wear it at all! *grin* but those who know and love lytex, really enjoy that side of his character, the ~inyourface~ approach? you failed to mention the trouble Lytex had gone to with his first costume, and no wonder as you couldn't have seen it in the dark! it was stunning, in the "Chicago" theme, to go with the song. never mind, shit happens! though i'm sorry it happened to Lytex, he deserved better and so did the crowd. the Biversity crew are a nice bunch of folks, who will have learnt a lot last nite, as did we. no real harm done, not even by you with your attempt to discredit Lyte and Lavish. we have no objection to others promoting their gigs at OUR functions.... that is a way we (promoters) can support each other. anything less is a wasted opportunity. though i can tell you the management were pretty pissed about people posting their flyers EVERYWHERE for events which were not even on at Candy's. they're nice folks, it would've been polite to ask first. in any case, Biversity went off and everyone seemed to have a great time, so it wasn't all bad. if you want to see the REAL Lytex do his thang, come to Lavish, where the show will shock you by comparison, to last nite's rather lame "kerfuffle". heheh if you don't believe me just ask someone who saw his show at the first Lavish back in July. (review at: www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html) there are many sides to Lytex. that's the point.
thanx for your comments.
cheers
Ms Sam - Mon 1 Sep 2003 01:48:33

Hooray !!!
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 08:45:54

But surely 'the facts' here are that it sucked. Bigtime. The punters won't be influenced by any management whys and wherefores when they're forming that judgment.
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 10:24:58

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Craig from The Studio - Mon 1 Sep 2003 11:01:13

Honey, you miss the point. When people drop on G, it affects us all, whether because it happens in our immediate vicinity, or we witness the rescue attempts by friends or ambulance officers. It screws up our night so the people doing it are being selfish pigs who have no consideration for others that will eventually have to pick up the pieces when they fall.
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 14:15:29

I'm not denying that other party drugs don't cause problems. Nor do I suggest that everyone who uses G will die. But the people who get rushed to hospital, have to be intubated and almost die are, in almost every case, G users. So let's stop kidding ourselves and recongise the true risks.
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 17:52:33

okay fine. you are entitled to your opinion, but at this stage it seems to me we ought to agree that everyone runs things their own way. personally i believe it's reasonable to look after performers and those who come to do shows at Lavish instantly become my/our responsibilty. not a big ask really. we don't consider that it's "up to them" to make sure the lights work during their act or worry about whether the dj is on the job or not. the point i didn't make, that i now realise i should have is this: Biversity is not a Fetish party and the kind of performance Lytex would do at a gig like that is nothing and i mean NOTHING like the kind he does at Lavish, which IS a fetish party! i can assure you there was nothing amateurish or cocked up about the first Lavish and there won't be at the second one... you'll just have to take my word for it won't you? i don't mind if you don't. that's cool. if you've soured becoz of your one experience of him that's up to you. he did a fantastic performance at Gangster One on friday nite, but you didn't see that. you seem far more interested in being right than seeing Lytex as a human being who under difficult cirmcumstances simply "had a bad nite". get over it. do or don't come to Lavish, the other approx 399 people who'll be there probably won't mind either way. simon's performance at biversity wasn't designed to make you want to come to lavish it was for Biversity and as i said tailored spefically for them. another fact you don't know is that he diligently organised two other performers for biversity that nite who's act went over really well and by then they had lights working. those performers were "looked after". get it?
in fact here's a real challenge: if you're up for it...come to the next lavish on us (i'll put your name on the door) and see if you still have the same opinion after that okay?
Ms Sam - Mon 1 Sep 2003 22:07:45

But surely 'the facts' here are that it sucked. Bigtime. The punters won't be influenced by any management whys and wherefores when they're forming that judgment.
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 10:24:58

why not? aren’t they intelligent enough to sort that out for themselves? I have not liked every performance I’ve seen in the last six months and one or two of them truly sucked, but I didn’t feel the need to go plaster it on a public list. keep an open mind mate, chill. there’s more than one way to skin a “fact”.
cheers
Ms Sam - Mon 1 Sep 2003 22:14:04

though i can tell you the management were pretty pissed about people posting their flyers EVERYWHERE for events which were not even on at Candy's. they're nice folks, it would've been polite to ask first.
Ms Sam - Mon 1 Sep 2003 01:48:33

So Ms Sam, reading, like lighting, is also a problem? She stated clearly (twice) that they did ask!
- Mon 1 Sep 2003 23:53:28

It's kind of like being caught between a G screeching rock and a Ms Sam hard place.....
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 08:25:22

Face it, you're just cranky because you got called on this.
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 09:04:49

Mr Biversity here. Well we had a little hiccup on the night but overall everybody seemed to have a fantastic night - I did. I started Biversity for bisexual people to be able to express who they are with a sense of freedom and absolute acceptance. I think we've achieved that. But I'm not a professional dance party organiser/promoter -I've just learned on the job. I asked Lytex and friends to perform on the night because I enjoyed what they did at Lavish and thought it would add to the party. Unfortunately I failed to get the lighting right on the night so my apologies to all for that. I realise that there are not that many parties around catering for bisexual people so I've given whatever support I can to Lavish, Hellfire, Emma Tom and sat-a-lite as they openly welcome bisexual people to their parties. There's no compulsion for people to attend these other parties, but I thought it would be good for bisexual people to know about them - so I invited the cross promotion.

let's enjoy our bisexuality, let's put it on display and make all bisexual people feel good about who they are.
Michael - Tue 2 Sep 2003 09:45:01

Heard that a young guy who used G on the weekend, who nearly got into big trouble (but didn't due to a guy he didn't know taking him under his wing until he got through the worst), woke up on Monday and made a positive decision to not use again.

What will work is Positive Peer Group Pressure against the use of the dangerous drug.
PPGP - Tue 2 Sep 2003 12:33:02

Speaking as one of the promoters of Hellfire, my problem with the two events being so close together is that it forces many people (especially those on lower incomes) to choose between the two. Many people could not possibly afford to attend both. If they were a week or more apart, then most people would be more likely to be in a position to attend both.

Hellfire has been on the 3rd Friday of every month for the last six months. Candy's Apartment isn't exactly booked up with regular Saturday nights, so why choose the same weekend?

Further, why be on the very next night using two of Hellfire's resident DJs? If that doesn't add yet another reason for people to choose between the nights then what does?

I would have felt much happier if the events weren't on the same weekend. I know many people who'd love to go to both, but just can't afford to. It will diminish both events quite unnecessarily.

Cooperation rather than competition is a much nicer way of operating. There is enough for everyone if we all just adopt the basic courtesies of trying, where possible, to program around each others events. Then both the punters and promoters win.

Forcing either/or scenarios seems so unnecessary when there are so many weekends when there is nothing on. I hope that this unfortunate situation can be avoided in future, as most people I know in the fetish scene like to go to everything.
Craig aka Master Tom - Tue 2 Sep 2003 14:09:19

it’s already been explained (read: previous posts by me). where are you coming from on this? I never said I was pissed off about other promoters flyers, I said the management were. I’ve already stated I think it’s fine to cross-promote as long as all parties have been asked first. I already agreed the performance sucked. what’s your problem? you don’t know me well enough to assume I’m “cranky”. I wasn’t called on anything. I volunteered info, i've been polite. so far. if someone slagged off your event on a public list perhaps you'd have some sort of response too?
Ms Sam www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html go there and see for yourself what we're into - Tue 2 Sep 2003 15:48:00

what about newbie dj
any hints on where we should maybe here you?
betty bigbox - Tue 2 Sep 2003 15:56:44

hiya Craig,
nobody's forced anything from where i'm sitting. there's a rash of gigs on around town every weekend that clash and double up. none of us are exclusive. i think why not give the punters lots of choices, it's a big world, full of possibilities. for example Marilyn Manson concert is on the same nite as hellfire and then the M.M. afterparty is on at Candy's . so what? Lavish isn't like anything else that is currently on, certainly not hellfire, so i don't see the competition factor at all. Lavish is a fetish dance party for around 400 people with a strong changing "theme" at each one. the whole of candy's will be totally transformed into a freakin spaceship/dark/sci-fi/playground on 20th september! does this sound like hellfire? i don't even expect it will be everyone's cuppa tea. you assume the same types who go to hellfire WILL be into lavish and vice versa. not sure lavish has been going long enough for those statistics to be realistic yet. anyone who really wants to come and cannot afford it is free to contact me and see if i can either put them on the door, give them half-price entry or they can help out with lavish in return for free entry. we're not into exclusion, we're into inclusion. there are almost as many options here in this situation as there are gigs on any given weekend in sydney. i think a little competition is healthy and it doesn't bother me who goes to hellfire or lavish, i think people can make up their own minds, and i don't believe many go to EVERYTHING that is on every weekend. the only people who knew that the dj's were doubling up at both our gigs were the dj's. i don't think it matters, i think it says that they're popular and in demand, good on them. and you're wrong, candy's is heavily booked up and we took the dates we could get, maybe you should be glad we didn't pick friday the 19th? that was available briefly. i think the only thing the two gigs have in common is fetish/bdsm content. i haven't had any communication from you or ultra although she has my email address and i'm very easy to find through many in the scene who know me. i am a team player and i enjoy collaboration, as do the many other promoters, artists and friends i'm working in with all the time. you are free to contact me any time to discuss your concerns, and i've told ultra you guys are welcome at lavish any time.... it's a little hard to go on and on about us even existing if you've never been to one of our events. i've supported hellfire in the past, i don't have any beef with you or ultra or hellfire (fyi - those on this board who would like to paint this whole thing into the "competitive promoters" corner. have fun all and play nice! we're not hurting anyone, we're just putting on some great parties and that makes us and those who come VERY happy! have the confidence to know people will come to your gig if they want to as that's how i feel, it's not complicated.
Ms Sam - email: brainchild@iprimus.com.au www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html - Tue 2 Sep 2003 16:30:51

lets do a poll: what's the first Oxford St nightclub You went to and what was it called then?

me: The Exchange and Patches
you?
older than some of you kiddies - Tue 2 Sep 2003 16:31:30

you're absolutely right, candy's is fabulous and that's why i suggested to Biversity that they have their gig there too and happily passed on all info and contacts etc. i've been busy sharing the love around mate, not sure where you're coming from. amazing how people read invisible plots into everything. my agendas are clear, i can't speak for others and would not try to. if Biversity weren't bothered about Lytex wearing a Lavish t-shirt why should anyone else be? i think this board must be mighty sick of this whole rave by now, i know i am, sorry folks, really hoping it dies down soon and we can get back to LIFE. i have a gig to be excited about organising.... see ya.
Ms Sam - email: brainchild@iprimus.com.au review & pics - www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html - Tue 2 Sep 2003 16:55:48

First of all let Me state that ST is specifically a non political forum for ALL of Sydney's kink scene to showcase their events and functions...

We have extensive representation of both Hellfire AND Lavish on the site as well as many other events and I at no stage have ever shown any bias to one or the other...

The simple fact of the matter is the site is content driven... If something is news worthy and I am supplied copy and/or images to showcase the function then I will run the article as its presented to me... it is after all designed to be a community project BY the community FOR the community....

We do not claim editorial or bias on any content but still hold true our commitment to paint the local scene as non politically and positively as posible and to this end we will not run any article or feature that we feel may be in detriment to another promoter...

I can not see any bias or negativity in the article at all... I am sorry if anyone else would read it otherwise...

I am equally supportive on a personal level and from the position of ST of both projects... I consider Ultra and Master Tom and the promoters of Lavish MsSam and Lytex to be good friends...

We attend Hellfire every month, and also attended the last Lavish party... both events while similar in some aspects, draw very different crowds from what we saw... as do other events held in sydney such as CLAD, Kontrol, Vortex, Luscious, as well as the various parties held etc...

For Me personally I like the diversity of cultures that you will find from one event to another... Hey we are all kinked up but surely we dont all have the same kink?... lol

Take last weekend for example - there was Luscious, CLAD, Vortex and various other semi-private events all on the same night... I can only guess that while some familiar faces are found at each, the majority of punters at each would be totally unique to each event.

It may not be ideal for some punters to have a variety of events on the same weekend, but the kink/fetish scene also seems diverse enough to support them regardless...

The reference in the article you may be referring to I would suggest you re-read... it was simply a reference by Ultra to the fact that there are two very different and unique events running over consecutive nights.

Nowhere did she comment negatively on Lavish, the promoters or the event... Ultra merely expressed her hopes and encouragement for people to continue to support both events, rather than choosing one over the other given the close proximity of their timing...

Both events ARE unique in their own right, both ARE enjoyable and very professional... and both ARE worth attending... So go to both... we are!... see you there!

MT
www.screamzteam.com
Sydney's Own Kink MagEzine

NB... if anybody has any event they wish promoted on the site, they are welcome to contact me via the site to discuss this...
Mastertouch - Tue 2 Sep 2003 17:10:44

We're also a bit scared that our little club will pale in comparison to the "new" and "different" Lavish the next night, and to continue running, we really need YOUR continued support.

Maybe if you're going to Lavish, you'll come have a drink, see the shows and support us as well, because we really wanna stay around, and this REALLY IS THE ONLY WAY it will happen.
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 17:21:18

We're also a bit scared that our little club will pale in comparison to the "new" and "different" Lavish the next night, and to continue running, we really need YOUR continued support.

Maybe if you're going to Lavish, you'll come have a drink, see the shows and support us as well, because we really wanna stay around, and this REALLY IS THE ONLY WAY it will happen.
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 17:21:18

As MsSam said... amazing how people read invisible plots into everything....*rolls eyes* ... gotta love anonymous posts wherever they are ! I dont see anything bitchy OR competitive in that comment, merely a request for continued support *shrugs*. The bitchiness has come from here, and posts like the above - not from the promoters.

kharysma
kharysma (MT's slut :P~) - Tue 2 Sep 2003 17:43:07

Are you suggesting noone should organise a fetish event for the Saturday after Hellfire? Unfair competition might be holding something on the same *day*- but on the same weekend? That's a long bow.
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 19:14:06

Where is the crime in that? Grow up peoples!
kharysma - Tue 2 Sep 2003 19:18:07

yeh, can you stop taking up all the bandwidth now and let some others have a turn
over shameless blather - Tue 2 Sep 2003 20:39:11

"After all, one knows one's weak points so well, that it's rather bewildering to have the critics overlook them and invent others."

Edith Wharton
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 21:53:45

Nobody's stopped anyone having anything. Turn away..... to your heart's content. Blaming others for your silence is lame. Condemning others for their effort/words/thoughts is well... judgemental. (what's that echo in here? the sound of one conscience flapping)
- Tue 2 Sep 2003 23:40:05

one person's shameless blather is another's right to respond/express!
band width or widthout what is the question? - Tue 2 Sep 2003 23:56:24

Hiya Queeny,

My concern (and Master's) is piqued when such comments reflect badly on him as an individual or on the website he has worked his ass off to produce... a site that he strives hard to keep politics free and open to all members of the sydney kink scene, no matter their interest or kink.

That is my only interest in the above. Other than that, its up to inviduals how they conduct themselves.

kind regards,
kharysma - Wed 3 Sep 2003 13:12:55

Let’s get happy and let’s be friends
For tomorrow never never ends
And our world will be all new
Let’s get happy and let’s be gay
All our troubles they will fade away
And the promise i will send you
Hits you on a brandnew day

***
They didn't win. A song from Turkey about jilted love did. Prolly won't be featured in any venue at Sleaze, thankfully.

I'm glad the weather is finally fabulous. Makes the beer garden of the Lord Roberts on a sunday arvo quite pleasant. Cold beer, JuniorB, and lots of girls, yay for summer coming!
Evil Twin - Wed 3 Sep 2003 13:42:10

If you are going to criticise Hellfire, at least be honest - every month since they moved to Icebox they have had one or two new/different performers. I have gone there to see them. You clearly have not.

Lavish might be "new" but hardly fresh. Being fresh might involve Lytex not performing again at this party since he did the last one.

And anyway what's wrong with resident DJs - most clubs have them.
Mandy's #1 Fan - Wed 3 Sep 2003 14:27:03

I'll have what she's having...
- Wed 3 Sep 2003 17:25:27

<bitching>
at least you guys in sydney have a choice of where/what to do every weekend .. some cities are lucky to have 2 events in 6 months let alone 2 or more on a single weekend
</bitching>

lighten up and smell the jockstraps ;-)
not spoilt by choices - Wed 3 Sep 2003 18:47:22

The most depressing thing about the above statement is that the poster fails to realise that the club/drug culture IS part of our culture. You may not like it - but get over it.
- Thu 4 Sep 2003 13:56:24

Has anyone been to the bigger straight parties like Gatecrasher and especially
the Mobile Home parties at NYE ?

I read that Pride are downsizing so unless the venue is a decent size I wont be supporting them for the first time since they started. We just all love
the music,lighting,dancing.......not into cruising on those nights ( but I could be talked into "helping" out a straight boy :) ). And of course we
like a biggish venue. Was the NYE venue that Home had a good size ? Wharf 8
or something wasn't it ?
What are the parties like at Homebush ? ( although the taxi back worries me ).
Appreciate any news - Thu 4 Sep 2003 19:41:30

Use your imagination; Scary springs to mind. Support Pride.
- Fri 5 Sep 2003 10:50:20

In quaaludes and red wine
Demanding Billy Dolls
And other fiends of mine,
Take your time.

Boy, those were the days
- Fri 5 Sep 2003 11:19:48

This Wall has been totally stuffed by mindless bellowing about drugs for the last wee while and I doubt that anyone with an interest in "fun, enjoyment and parties" (as the Wall promo reads) will be all that keen to get into yet another
non-productive shouting match about it. It's been well and truly done.
- Fri 5 Sep 2003 11:20:02

Melbourne promises to deliver another memorable Day Party with a mixed line up
of quality dj's from Syd and Melb.

In the back room sexing it up will be NATHEN G(melb), PAUL GOODYEAR(syd) and KDJ(melb).

In the main room dj's ZAC CURREN(melb), NEAL CRAWFORD(syd) and SAMPLE G(nz) will be bringing things to boiling point.

Not to mention Oracle Lazers toying with our senses.
A great reason to get away for the weekend.

Magnitude Day Party: 11AM - 8PM
SALT NIGHTCLUB
14 CLAREMONT ST SOUTH YARRA
Presale tickets available now $55 + BF from ticket outlets below:

Hares & Hyenas, Bang, (South Yarra)
Bong-O-Mania (Chapel St Windsor)
Danish Blue (Fitzroy St St Kilda)
Lucrezia & de Sade, (Brunswick St)
Pervert Clothing - (Bridge Rd store, Royal Arcade City store
& Carlisle St store),
MCV Office, (Richmond)
Sax Fetish (Sydney)
One Stop DJ (Sydney)
Here's to meeting new friends.
www.magnitudeproductions.com.au - Fri 5 Sep 2003 11:27:34

Wonderful. Now we have to mark ourselves so that, because we are far too DF'd to communiacte at all, those picking up the pieces have some idea of what we are on.

Excuse me for thinking this is a seriously comment on "adult" behaviour in our clubs.
- Fri 5 Sep 2003 13:57:39

The problem is that there is no known ANTAGONIST for G. The scientists don't know how GHB really works in the brain. Until then, writing "G" or "GHB" on your hand sounds like a damn good idea.

The other option is to die. Mmmm... I wonder what is better?
Dr Maddox - Fri 5 Sep 2003 14:16:36

Thanks for the info, but you forgot the most important thing... What date is it on ?
Dont you feel like an ass !!! - Fri 5 Sep 2003 19:25:04

Date: Saturday 20th September, 2003

Venue: Stage 11 (Fox Studios)

Shows: They advertise 20 performers, including the recent DIVA Award winning SEXY GALEXY and DALLAS DELLAFORCE!!! The promoters say: "Some exciting entertainment is planned for this event - Devi & team will be dancing with FIRE hoola hoops? Jan and her acrobatic dancers will be entertaining you throughout the venue, Sexy galexy has something magic up her sleave (apparently!!!), hellmut and his team of musicians promise to take your music to new levels and of course the show pony's have a sexy new show to titilate and thrill you with!!"

DJs: Garry Tee, DJ Bella, DJ Josh and Mo Groove

It looks pretty new and exciting: "There are posters and flyers all over town, we have been featured in SX, Queer Tv and Now Bondi FM"

Wanna know more: www.directenergy.com.au

The fire performers look pretty excellent (and if you like fire, you may also like the FireArt Fanatics - performing at Hellfire the night before, Friday 19th September, 2003 - check out their website www.fireartfanatics.com)

XX
Ultra
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Sat 6 Sep 2003 01:24:17

Ultra
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
- Sat 6 Sep 2003 01:44:09

14th Sept
- Sat 6 Sep 2003 14:23:24

I'm sexy, I'm cute, I'm popular to boot
I'm bitchin', great hair, the boys all love to stare.
I'm wanted, I'm hot, I'm everything you're not
I'm pretty, I'm cool, I dominate the school.
Who am I? Just guess!
Guys wanna touch my chest
I'm rockin', great smile, and many think I'm vile.
I yell and I jump you can look but don't you hump, whoo!
I'm major, I roar, I swear I'm not a whore!
We cheer and we lead and we act like we're on speed
Hate us cause we're beautiful?
Well, we don't like you either!
We're cheerleaders, we are cheerleaders
Ms Golightly - Sat 6 Sep 2003 15:06:15

panther@pinkboard.com.au