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The annual GLBT Pride festivals are almost upon us. In many many cities around the world Stonewall Day is celebrated as the founding of the modern gay movement. Even though it is the middle of winter here, we still drag ourselves out for a bit of a celebration.

Brisbane Pride has a large festival planned culminating on 14th June with a rally, parade and fair day. They will also be partying on into the night.

Sydney's PRIDE also has an action packed week planned for later in the month. This year it celebrates the numbers 30, 25, 15 and 10!

I can't find any information on the rest of Australia. Tell us what is happening locally for you.

If it is post-party Tuesday or Wednesday and you are feeling a bit down, please refrain from sharing your depression with the rest of the readers.

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Tonight we'll be seeing gorgeous bodies dancing beautifully to fabulous music. Where? Why, at the Opera House at Underland!

Sunday night we're off to Lemonaid to party with the girls. Remember how I was partied out? Looks like I came good <g>
Evil Twin - Fri 6 Jun 2003 09:53:05

is anyone going to hear Tom Stephan ?
Chiclet - Fri 6 Jun 2003 12:44:08

Has anyone seen him out and about?
- Fri 6 Jun 2003 13:36:23

If you promise to work on your comprehension skills, I'll buy you a drink ;-)
- Fri 6 Jun 2003 13:39:00

Yeah about 2 weeks ago in Food Game sporting a silly hair do and carrying a rather large skatboard. He was much older and taller than I had expected.
Why Bother - Fri 6 Jun 2003 16:45:16

I've never found it too much of an issue, but I'd love to hear from anyone who can clarify what the "structural and logistic improvements" are.
have fun all!
nathan - Fri 6 Jun 2003 23:51:43

Getting in free before 11pm was a bonus. Finding the place full of drag kings and their supporters was added extra bonus. Then hanging out doing butch bonding by Sveta's DJ booth, watching really good shows, and dancing and grinding away made the whole night excellent fun.

We were only going to drop in for a look, so felt we could have put in a little more effort in the dressing up dept, and will do so next time we go, in full leathers :-) It was great to see a usually blokey venue like ARQ full of girly goodness. So with Bumpher Bar closing up on the 4th July, we have another place to go to on those non-Hellfire friday nights.
Evil Twin - Sat 7 Jun 2003 10:26:52

I'd like to express the mourning of a good friend of yours and mine that passed on from our community on this day exactly one year ago.

This friend was a reliable buddy who for a decade was always there for you and
me. Once a year we would celebrate with this friend and have the best of times.

Then we started taking our friend forgranted and because of this our friend went away.

We all hope that our friend can someday come back and have fun with us again but at the moment regretably this seems unlikey.

We all really miss our friend very dearly and the city of Sydney is poorer for the loss of this friend.

Our friends name was "Hand In Hand".

.
Joey (A good friend of Hand in Hand) - Sat 7 Jun 2003 14:02:16

Any party boy in this city worth his salt would be really noticing that something is missing from this long weekend that we all so eagarly looked forward to from year to year. Tonight just will not be the same, I think I'll stay home tonight
- Sat 7 Jun 2003 17:23:19

"This year it celebrates the numbers 30, 25, 15 and 10"

What the hell is that all about ???????
curious - Sat 7 Jun 2003 17:24:25

PS. Can some one tell us what the stuff up, mentioned above, was at the Black party...?

Xane
- Sat 7 Jun 2003 18:52:08

The fact that i am home tonight and not at hand in hand sadens me greatly.
- Sun 8 Jun 2003 00:34:15

Tom Stephan - yes, but will leave as soon as he's finished playing (hopefully back to his room at L'otel for a bit of Superchumbo action)
Twisted Australia - Sun 8 Jun 2003 01:04:39

Why couldn't Pride have just cut out Dome, cut back on bleachers etc and just
great music and reasonable lighting in the Hordern ? Sure numbers had dropped
but by cutting back on the budget a bit , surely it could still make $'s ???

Woke at 3am and knew I'd be in the bleachers/toilets powdering the face, got up at 7:30am and knew I should be just getting home waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Reconsider next year please ? A club just isnt the same.
Bring it back - Sun 8 Jun 2003 10:25:51

Xane
- Sun 8 Jun 2003 10:32:28

Xane
- Sun 8 Jun 2003 14:25:23

Its just not the same without a big dance party on this weekend.
- Sun 8 Jun 2003 15:03:51

It's great that you were having withdrawal symptoms when you didn't even know who was producing the party!
- Sun 8 Jun 2003 18:56:23

If they again have oversold - let them know.

They cant justify getting away with this party after party after party.
Protest - Sun 8 Jun 2003 19:43:31

The "crush" as other people call it was still there. It was mildly better than the last party but only just.

I actually did try to make these sorts of comments to staff on the night but gave up after one staff member very rudely said I should "stop complaining , get a life and "f--k off". Marvellous customer relations if I do say so.

In the end I spent 90% of the night in rooms OTHER THAN the main crush room and had a good time, but the point remains that the managers of queer nation have done little compared to the last party (nor do they seem to care).

Bedtime for me now. I should be up and about by Thursday lol :P
Greenie - Mon 9 Jun 2003 08:31:58

Maybe for you...

The organisers of those older parties didn't care, nor should they have cared, it was none of their business becuase they were private parties.

Xane
- Mon 9 Jun 2003 08:51:44

Yes they can! If the parties get sold out time and time again, they won't care about over crowding.

How much of a problem must "complaints" be if these same people still keep on coming to the parties time and time again?
Addicted to crush - Mon 9 Jun 2003 13:00:52

"Sydney's PRIDE also has an action packed week planned for later in the month. This year it celebrates the numbers 30, 25, 15 and 10! "

In reference to 30 , 25 , 15 , 10 - What the hell does that mean ??
- Mon 9 Jun 2003 13:23:40

Only complaint is that it's five bucks for a water and five bucks for a bloody coke.
redhead - Mon 9 Jun 2003 14:32:27

According to WHO... Numbers of people living with HIV / AIDS comparison between Asia/Pacific/Australia and Western Europe which has similar population numbers in 2000:

Western Europe: 520000
Asia/Pacific/Australia 530000

Western Europe has a relative free social structure in terms of alcohol/drugs/sex. Asia Pacific and Australia have a relative tight structure (draconian Laws) in terms of alcohol/drugs/sex. The arguement falls slightly in favour of a more free society and slightly against prohibition.

Draconian Laws = Shutting down Pinkboard because of content, drug sniffer dogs, no alcohol sales at Sex Premises , Marijuana laws, methodone programs, age of consent laws (fortunately not any more)... the list goes on.

Xane
- Mon 9 Jun 2003 14:44:48

Thanks Mum... I'll keep that in mind.
- Mon 9 Jun 2003 15:09:49

A more appropriate comparison would be to look at the percentage of sero-conversions in this country that had something to do with being pissed or high.

If being pissed or high wasn't a problem, then why does ACON devote so much time to distributing condoms at dance parties?
- Mon 9 Jun 2003 19:55:29

Liberation was so that we could live our lives openly with our partners. Not so that you could fuck anyone you liked whereever you liked.
Some of us are still decent - Tue 10 Jun 2003 10:29:10

Of course "being out of it" is high risk behaviour, but it's nowhere being THE explanation for the spread of HIV. A more plausible explanation is the fact that a significant proportion of HIV transmission in our community occurs via guys who don't know their actual serostatus and make assumptions based on a negative status they no longer have. The culture of 3 monthly testing is pretty much gone.

In Victoria, 40% of the new infections presenting in the recent infections spike were in guys who had never previously had an HIV antibody test. Anyone who is out there doing it in gay culture should be testing every 3 months. A guy who is himself in the process of seroconverting will be highly infectious - the virus reaches blood concentration levels at that point that it will never reach again.

But I think looking for a single causative factor for the rise in infections is pointless. It's about a whole range of factors.
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 10:42:45

Oh yeah... I'm crazy alright and aint it great? (Sounds like you get a bit crazy at times as well, and that's OK, nobody's business but your own). The point I am trying to make is that prohibition makes the problem worse not better. Research it your self and form an objective position, transcent the common myths served up to us by our parental governments.

Xane
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 10:57:55

ITS JUST NOT SAFE.

I would hate to see the day that some silly queen pushed himself too far in an environment like that got over dehydrated and died as a result. Home nightclub would never survive a possible lawsuit.

I think the managers of Home has to seriously look at ways of making that place a safer place to party. Right now its a disaster waiting to happen.

Having said that, I must admit I had an excellent time, but thats probably cause I was sensible enough to not party in the overcrowded main dance floor space.
My opinion - Tue 10 Jun 2003 11:09:37

Together with New Mardi Gras, PRIDE will be hosting a Sunday Recovery at Home Nightclub on Sunday 22nd June from 6.00pm – 2.00am.

On the Terrace you will be treated to the funky tunes of DJ’s Kate Monroe and Alex Taylor and for those wanting a harder edge, DJ’s Kelly Lynch and Chip will be servicing your needs in the Silver Room.
PRIDE & New Mardi Gras Members: $15 Non-Members: $20.
Tickets available through the PRIDE Centre.
This event is proudly sponsored by Queer Nation.
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 13:35:49

What will happen to the downstairs area? Hopefully, it will be unused and not full of incompatables. One hopes the Sunday crowd of families visiting Darling Harbour is not homophobic or else would be safely at home eating dinner and watching telly at that time.

It is a good idea and will help those who want to work on Monday.
evening-clubber? - Tue 10 Jun 2003 15:21:09

true point, but even still, you have the window period where even if tested you cannot be sure. it is fair to assume that you can never assume you are negative until you haven't had sex for three months and get tested
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 16:51:21

Tue 10 Jun 2003 16:51:21 - you can go 3 months with having sex and never put yourself at risk of HIV. use a condom with lots of lube when you fuck, or just things other than fucking. Zero HIV transmission that way.
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 17:24:23

Thanks Mum... I'll keep that in mind.
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 20:16:03

No I hadn't noticed, Why don't they sell it then? They were giving it away last time I was there.
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 20:18:31

I just wish they would pick a date and pick it soon. I need to organise my social calendar & sex life so that I can attend. Interestingly they mention Alcohol Licensing Laws and Sex Spaces. A suggestion that the party be alcohol free so it would solve the Sex Space problem. WOW...! What do we think of an alcohol free Sleaze Ball...?

Xane
- Tue 10 Jun 2003 20:25:39

My apologies... I agree entirely...!
Xane - Tue 10 Jun 2003 20:30:55

The top floor upstairs of HeadQuarters used to be a cabaret licensed strip club. Don't think it is any more and may be part of HeadQuarters when they have a big night on.
paying attention - Tue 10 Jun 2003 20:34:52

I really agree with this.

The current batch of popular DJ's in this city all play the same American circuit party tribal music. There all as boring as each other.

Most Sydney DJ's 5-6 years ago were playing music that was coming out of Europe and now they are playing this awful souless American tribal house stuff. The main offenders in the production of this crap music are remix teams such as Hex Hector , Thunderpuss (AKA Barry I f--ked up my set at SleazeBall 2000) Harris , Club 69 (AKA Peter Raohoffer) , Victor Calderone and a few others that dont come to mind at the moment (thats how forgetable they are)

People slagg off commercial (cheese , handbag, call it what you like) music but quite frankly I think its on the way back. And about time too.

People dont smile on dance floors as much as they used to and its all because of this American circuit party tribal music that is dead boring.

The sooner we turn back to Europe for the source of our dance music the better in my opinion.

And lets correct one misconception - A Kylie / Madonna / Cher / Dannii track remixed by one of the above mentioned remix teams does NOT make the track a commercial release. A traditional "handbag music" artist remixed by a tribal house remix team still remains a tribal remix no matter how hard to try to promote it otherwise !!!!!

On a final note - i wish certain DJ's would pull their big heads in and stop playing dubs at Arq (mostly on Saturdays). Its bad enough having to put up with tribal house without resorting to the dub mix instead of the vocal mix ... ZZZZZZzzzzzzz
A Happy Commercial Handbag - Wed 11 Jun 2003 09:42:28

Sure it's fun to get messy sometimes, but it's also fun not to.
GiT - Wed 11 Jun 2003 11:18:25

well clearly....duh..... this party isnt for you.

please don't come
toyboy - Wed 11 Jun 2003 11:22:59

Hi all

PRIDE Week 2003 is just around the corner. Programs are now available week from the PRIDE Centre and the Colombian Hotel and will hit local shops, restaurants, cafes, pubs and clubs this weekend. The PRIDE Website (www.pridecentre.com.au) has full details of this year’s program.

Sunday Recovery @ Home

PRIDE & New Mardi Gras will be hosting a Sunday Recovery @ Home Nightclub:
Sunday 22nd June 2003
6.00pm – 2.00am
PRIDE & New Mardi Gras Members: $15 Non-Members: $20.
Tickets available through the PRIDE Centre & the Darlinghurst Toolshed. Members tickets only available from PRIDE.

On the Terrace you will be treated to the funky tunes of DJ’s Kate Monroe and Alex Taylor and for those wanting a harder edge, DJ’s Kelly Lynch and Chip will be servicing your needs in the Silver Room.

This event is proudly sponsored by Queer Nation.

2003 PRIDE Week Awards Night

To celebrate and acknowledge the work done by our community volunteers, PRIDE will be producing the 2003 Sydney Star Observer PRIDE Week Awards Night:

Sunday 29th June 2003
Starting 7.00pm
Paddington Town Hall

Tickets $20 with discounts available for group bookings (table of 10) available from PRIDE.

The evening will be a cabaret style event with special guest presenters, DJ’s, fantastic entertainment and a surprise finale featuring the 73ers, community and professional performers. Your comperes for the evening are Gillian Minervini and Portia Turbo, with direction and choreography by Ian Knowles.

Contact the PRIDE Centre on (02) 9331 1333 or check out our Website: www.pridecentre.com.au for full details.
- Wed 11 Jun 2003 13:51:01

"I never knew Thunderpuss & Hex Hector were doing tribal stuff, only cheesy handbag house."

Sorry to correct you but that statement is incorrect.

The above remix teams do tribal American House Dance remixes , they dont do cheesey handbag.

If you want cheesy handbag look no further than Almighty Remixes. They define cheese.
coon , cheddar, swiss - Wed 11 Jun 2003 15:24:59

"normal sunday" what exactly is a normal sunday?
thanks ....but dont tell me what i can and cant do on my sunday.
Its not my fault you fell that you have to go out on sat night.

"I don't like the idea of day parties really".....have you ever been to one?

I think they are way more fun.

"Clubbing isn't about being sensible and not missing sleep"...well for some people it might be.

"and have a restful night's sleep" ....its all about "moderation"
sorry to hear your not sleeping well.
spot - Wed 11 Jun 2003 16:18:33

PS. Redhead - I agree $5 is a bit steep for water, but Home also provide free chilled water fountains in the terrace bar where you can refil your bottle with chilled filtered water - i don't see that at Arq or the shift who charge only $1 less for their water.

A positive attitude tends to always leave me with a positive party experience - lets all stop the whinging and just try and enjoy ourselves for a change?
Born Again QN Supporter - Wed 11 Jun 2003 17:12:47

Xane
- Wed 11 Jun 2003 18:38:54

More often than not, whenever any new release from a major artist comes out the only commercially available remixes are by Hex Hector,Thunderpuss,Peter Raohoffer,Victor Calderone etc.

Very few major releases these days have mixes done by European DJ's.

Personally I hate playing a lot of hex hextor (they all sound the same) and Peter raohoffer. Unfortunately when my audience want ceratin songs and they are the only mixes available, I (and a lot of DJ's) don't have a big range of mixes to chose from.
Newbie dj - Thu 12 Jun 2003 07:30:59

Thanks to Thu 12 Jun 2003 11:59:36 for the kind comments :) I'm on each week at a club in the city but still shy about advertising where I am. Still finding my feet but having a wild time so far.

p.s. I have been known to delve into the Almighty remixes for some fun handbag :)
Newbie - Thu 12 Jun 2003 18:13:45

I gather it is done by measuring the total area of a venue - made up of the dancefloor and bar areas and timing this by a standard number of people in a square meter. Does this sound right?

I gather that the state legislation is probably quite old. The standard was fine when most venues comprised cinemas and theatres with seated audiences. And dancing meant two people doing a waltz etc just like everybody in the room. In the post Hordern age this view of a nice night out needs reviewing. Is there a standard number of people per square meter? Are the people “doing” anything ie dancing, moving, collapsing?

Or are the capacity numbers controlled wholly by fire safety regulations, gained from experience of getting people out of danger quickly.
It was interesting to watch the Mardi Gras Post Parade Parties grow and grown in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Once only one main hall was used. As others were added the number of available tickets grew. I think the biggest party had 22,000 patrons. Of course not everybody could fit into the RHI at once. An effective control to stop this was closing the doors when the main show started. This can’t be done at a venue like Home I gather. And staff keeping track of who’s going in versus who’s coming out wouldn't be practical.

I confess to not going out to clubs very much precisely because of the crowding issue. At the old Showgrounds you have the luxury of being in the thick of it and being able to escape outside quickly if you wanted to.
If there was a review of the regulations it would probably result in lower
numbers that would effect the commercial viability of clubs.

I don’t know. These are just some thoughts out loud. Anybody with any ideas?
David of Redfern - Thu 12 Jun 2003 18:59:34

Hey girls, ever had a Robot in the Boudoir? Zarjaz, you need it badly!
The biggest, longest, hardest, baddest Daddy of them all.
Grinding your booty.. Lordy Lord, halelujah!

More Man, than you can bear. Think you can take it?
Can you handle it ? You'll be on your knees, begging for it.
You want to be my b****? Give it to me, let it go, oh yeah
Heartbroken - Thu 12 Jun 2003 20:46:19

and no "confused" I'm not Mike Kelly.
newbie - Fri 13 Jun 2003 07:18:12

see you all there.
- Fri 13 Jun 2003 13:28:45

The issue of playing the 'imports' has also to do with economics. Most DJs, especially the younger ones, get paid an appalling $50/Hour (or less) and many imports can actually cost this or more so the cost effectiveness is a major consideration.

Then you get a few long established DJs, one assumes being paid well into the $100s/Hour, who play things like MPEGs (music ripped off the internet). Regardless of the reason for playing MPEGS, they are illegal for public performance. Venues pay a small fortune to APRA for having the right to allow DJs to play licensed music to their patrons. Venues that allow DJs to play MPEGs are breaching their responsibilities.

The legal issue aside, MPEGs are arguably the worst compressed format, regardless of post-theft equalisation (you can't put back what isn't there in the first place), leaving good sound quality, from even the best system, impossible to maintain.

Many of the young DJs today are buying 'real' music, whether on Vinyl or CD, not ripping it off. Good luck to them, support them. Effectively, because of their "pay" rate, they work for next to nothing but do it because they love the music and the buzz of entertaining us. If they are playing vinyl, it's obviously 'real'. If they are playing CDs, it's probably worth asking the question "Did you pay for this track?".

Mind you, you should be able to tell by the woeful quality....
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 13 Jun 2003 13:46:50

I agree with everything you say. I buy music from the internet but it is imported as vinyl. I don't download stuff and play it, although I do know some dj friends who do. I've also got some dj friends who get p###ed off when you dont "share "the music you've paid for buy burning it for them.

To anybody who wants to take up djíng, I always say- it's a great hobby, do it for yourself, not for fame and expect to spend a lot of money on it.

Playing MPEGs is a bit like cheating.
JB - Fri 13 Jun 2003 15:17:53

I try to use only original music if possible but for older tracks, remixes are usually not commercially available. If I could buy them I would gladly do so.

I generally only use downloads to see what a track is like, then I try to buy the original when I can. More often than not though I get the same response, "that's been deleted" or "we've had your order in with the record company for 4 months now and no response"

what's a DJ to do?
newbie - Fri 13 Jun 2003 15:50:28

BTW, I heard that -for the first time in history, more mixing gear was sold than guitars-!
food for thought - Fri 13 Jun 2003 17:41:59

what is Demon Leather? Is it a store/label???
- Fri 13 Jun 2003 18:18:48

"Sydney's PRIDE also has an action packed week planned for later in the month. This year it celebrates the numbers 30, 25, 15 and 10!"

What is it with the numbers ? Can ANYBODY tell me ?????
- Fri 13 Jun 2003 20:53:12
Have a look at the Pride site. There are links further up this page. - Panther

Fatboy Slim a.k.a is Norman Cook is an amazing Dj and producer. Probably a better producer. He started off with an almost raver sound, you might remember MR Pizzaman. His remixes are always floor fillers.
Sydney has some very talented dj's indeed-Alex Taylor, Mike Kelly and Kelly Lynch and Chip are technically fantastic. As far as putting a set together, you can't go past Stephen Allkins and Ben Drayton. Junior B and plays some of the most beautiful sounds you will hear on a dancefloor, if you like rhythm, percussion and vocals.Scott Pullen, not gay but we all know him,only plays tracks with some substance, and puts it together so well.Richard Weiss,likewise. Some great dj's coming through the ranks, Dj Renae, Calvin,Sistr P,. And that's just the Queer ones! Don't even get me started on the straight dj's in this town....Sydney has a great amount of dj talent, and the best time to appreciate it is when some international blows in and you pay $50 upwards for a ticket, and the local support act kicks ass!
pinocchio - Fri 13 Jun 2003 21:23:37

Could somebody who knows just tell me instead of me having to wade my way thru a web site that doesnt answer my question.
- Sat 14 Jun 2003 03:30:29
Try here.

Least-heard-but-most-enjoyed: Scott Pullen, Richard Weiss, Fiesty
Smoothest-and-most-versatile: Alex Taylor
Most humble: Alex Taylor
Best lounge: Bill Morley
Most original: Mandy Rollins
Maddest-sound: DJ Chip
Best-set-this-year: Tony Svehla at MG2003
OUR-Godfathers-of-House: Stephen Allkins & Paul Goodyear

Alex Taylor gets my vote for the smoothest sound.

Chip gets the most maddest sound
M.Y. Awards - Sat 14 Jun 2003 11:03:02

Please consider putting on a big party next year ? Surely just having the Hordern , no Dome/tunnel etc and basic seating etc but great music/reasonable lights, you can still turn a tidy profit ? So many people I spoke to were moaning about the loss of this great winter party.
Clubs are there 365 days of the year, but they can't cut with the Hordern.
Please bring it back Pride - Sat 14 Jun 2003 16:53:39

‘rock sucking hoes’ is a fun night out for the inner westie in all of us. Featuring freaky tunes, covering the genres that generally don’t get a guernsey at most venues. Very special guests will be providing weekly slots of musical mayhem. Live acts too!! Dress up as a rock slag/ hip hop player / pimp / gang banger for the chance to win giveaways! Expect downstairs to be intense / noisy and but most of all, fun smokin' dancefloor action.

STOP PRESS: Thursday June 19 special guest is the bad dog Ben Drayton!

Imperial Hotel, Erskineville Road
(the basement is @ tres kool klub!)
Thursdays - 11pm till 3am
$5 in and cheap beers all nite
3 minutes walk from trains – erskineville or macdonaldtown stations.
All 3 sexes welcome, would love to see you out & up for it!
‘rock sucking hoes’ - a club that really sucks! - Sun 15 Jun 2003 13:07:02

If you still want a Hand in Hand party on Queens birthday long weekend in the Hordern pavilion then ask yourself this question...

Are YOU prepared to have a 400% increase in the cost of your admission ticket ?

I didnt think so.
Its time to move on - Sun 15 Jun 2003 13:09:31

FYI - Mike Kelly in London:
Heaven (StarBar) SatJuly19, Playtime SatJuly26 + guesting at Finger Lickin bar (a very small venue) in between...

IE - not a Finger Lickin tour. Not quite sure where you got that info but not the case.
- Sun 15 Jun 2003 16:02:04

it is not that easy to do that place - haven't seen many other all night dance parties anything like the gay paties at Fox in years... rock concerts yes and day events no probs, but these are really very unique events for sydney. feel lucky when they are on

btw PLEASE go when someone puts on a party at a different venue.
- Sun 15 Jun 2003 17:00:52

It's worth pointing out that ACON reported doing a bit better than break-even with the last H in H, despite the low numbers. The bottom-line for ACON though was that H in H was a fund-raiser. The party-generated profit was disbursed in grants to lots of HIV/health based community initiatives over many years. The mounting costs and falling attendances obviously meant that this was becoming less possible to do. And there's not much point in putting your fundraising investment dollars in something that doesn't give you the funds at the end of the day.
- Sun 15 Jun 2003 17:11:50

The user (party attendees) has to pay for any associated costs with putting on a party at the Hordern.

Putting it bluntly you NEED a minimum of 4,500 - 5,000 at a Hordern party to make it financially viable. Mardi Gras and to a lesser extent Pride on NYE can do this standing on their heads, Hand in Hand in the middle of winter is a different kettle of fish altogether.

The people of Sydney showed in June 2000 , 2001 and 2002 that they are not prepared to support Hand in hand in the depths of winter in the numbers that ACON would find acceptable enough to take any further risks on future events. Hence the party is no more.

I refer you all to a letter that was published in SSO & SX this week by myself and I also posted on this board at Sat 7 Jun 2003 14:02:16.

Sydney took forgranted the Hand In Hand party. We stopped supporting it. It wound its operations up. We have no body to blame but ourselves.

Personally I blame the death of Hand In Hand on events like Queer Nation and Frisky who deliberately tried to woo people AWAY from community run events like Hand in Hand to privately run money grabbing events such as QN & Frisky. That is the biggest crime in this whole mess.

The biggest fools in this situation however are all you queens and lesbians who failed to support Hand in Hand but chose the after parties. Thanks to your thoughtlessness the whole gay and lesbian community now doesnt have a community run Hordern Pavilion Dance party on the Saturday night of the Queens birthday long weekend. It makes me so mad.
Joey - Sun 15 Jun 2003 18:42:33

Making the public liability insurance to cover medical only and not personal suffering would be another way of limiting liabity.
- Sun 15 Jun 2003 18:56:08

You are realy looking at a start price of $300k just for the pure hire of the halls for Mardi Gras.

I cant understand why we dont ditch it and go to a new venue like homebush. Much newer and more space etc.
Camo - Sun 15 Jun 2003 19:03:11

Your comments are naive and totally unworkable. Give it up.
- Sun 15 Jun 2003 21:38:10
This is the opinion of the poster.

The reason the bigger parties are dying is because they are no longer in demand.

These parties grew out of the 80's when comunity/hiv/aids,were much bigger issues.

Queer nation and frisky are not to blame,they are providing a different product for a different/younger audience.

times change thats life. :-)

I personally loved those parties, memories I will hold forever.
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 01:07:46

still not sure where your info is coming from, but no finger lickin' tour was ever publicised. as for propaganda - how many in the queer scene would even place finger lickin' (or like it)?
attempted clarification - Mon 16 Jun 2003 01:51:57

We've also got very short memories. H in H was frequently criticised for being too straight, too twinky, too whatever. That other partying options will emerge to meet demand in those circumstances, is as inevitable as night following day.
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 07:59:33

First you say "The reason the bigger parties are dying is because they are no longer in demand."

Then you say "Queer nation and frisky are not to blame,they are providing a different product for a different/younger audience."

WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS @!!!

Major community run dance parties WOULD have a demand in this day and age if greedy private enterprise parties like QN & Frisky had not come in and put on an event in opposition to the community dance party. By putting up an opposition your saying to the community "you make a choice". As most queens and lesbians are fairly "tight asses" with their money they invariable go for the cheaper option (ie a $30 QN ticket instead of the big production $80 Hand In Hand tiK) - Hence the community fund raiser suffers - BADLY.

I have a radical solution which will never happen.

If QN / Frisky etc put on an event on the same weekend as a community fund raiser dance party then you are not allowed to purchase a tik to any over those events unless you also have bought a ticket to the community based dance party.

That should sort out the people who REALLY CARE about this community.
Joey - Mon 16 Jun 2003 09:03:53
This is the opinion of the poster.

what planet are you living on?

Get with the programme,young people don't care .
They want value for money
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 10:33:12
This contains a generalisation.

These big community parties were very popular ten years ago.

People do want value for money, but the spirit is no longer there.
I dont think QN and frisky are to blame.

Its all about choice....now
thats how the real world works.
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 10:56:10

Woah...slow down there Joey, you almost had a good point there,until you brought in the ridiculous sweeping statements.
Not a tight ass - Mon 16 Jun 2003 11:09:05

I don't think so......but this is a party discussion wall.
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 12:23:18

Such silly comments from one who obviously has only been around the block once....
Seen and not heard please... - Mon 16 Jun 2003 14:14:01

How would i enforce it ?

Easy.

You cannot buy a tik to the after party unless you buy a tik to the main event party first and you have to produce that tik to buy your QN / Frisky / Ice tik.

The tik number of the main event would be recorded by the people selling the after party tiks to avoid people using the same party tik to get a after party tik.

As I said , its a radical idea that will never happen, but at least Im thinking positive thoughts which is more than i can say for the moron who abused me at
"Seen and not heard please... - Mon 16 Jun 2003 14:14:01"
Joey - Mon 16 Jun 2003 20:16:56

You are probably right but what does the liability insurance actually deliver? Is it mandatory? And it's only for just for ONE night.

I worry about drugs and dehydration. I don't worry about stubbing a toe. Nor getting knocked out by falling mirror ball.

AND IF a person is under the influence of drugs could they really claim anyway?
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""Give it up for naive""! - Mon 16 Jun 2003 21:06:32

Also, is a massive day party totally out of the question?

It could still be at a venue with massive tent halls or indoor venues, but this would do wonders for making the party a lot easier to produce. it might also open up the possibility of using a whole range of unthinkable venues and make sound/security issues easier.

If such an event had cultural cred too (perhaps due to showcasing quality culture in addition to the existing dance spaces eg short plays/comedians/caberet/sexy exhibits etcetc), it would be worth $70-$110 for those uninterested in drugs, dance parties, yet still interested in community. might be interesting for those into dance parties too since the idea of a chill out zone is only really somewhere to sit and sip more liquid (with no realisation that the people in the chill out with you probably aint lookin so good either and that right now something visually distracting would be good).
- Mon 16 Jun 2003 21:59:33

I'll be at Home Sunday evening. Please visit.
Wherever I lay my hat,,, - Tue 17 Jun 2003 11:06:42

Also, I noticed that Frisky was nominated as a group that takes and doesn't give. Frisky has been one of the two main funds providers to the Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby since Jojo started arranging the parties. Without Frisky's help the Lobby may have been bankrupt years ago. SO by all means criticise QN but not Frisky.
Wombat - Tue 17 Jun 2003 12:29:54

And kinda agree with some points of Joey's but maybe the various organisations should really promote where the $'s go and besides there are plenty of times
when there are QN or alternative parties for fans to go to excluding these 4 weekends a year !
Just a thought - Tue 17 Jun 2003 18:04:54

I love daytme parties. As long as it's dark or has a large dark area with regular doses of dark music.
Darkie - Tue 17 Jun 2003 19:45:26

The Moore Park Supa-Centa - every gay man and lesbian this side of moore park heights (i mean gardens) knows where it is - we could use the car parks to get a real "underground" vibe.....so phoenix meets ikea - perfect dahling! and so subtle in the irony - really sticking it to those pre-fab gay-boys who dress up all butch but love nothing more than self-assembly shelving
Ms Golightly - Wed 18 Jun 2003 22:39:54

yep...

Come! Get together.
Let the dance floor feel your leather.
Step as lightly as a feather.
Let yourself go.
Irving Berlin - Thu 19 Jun 2003 15:53:13

Trouble is we have all been spoilt rotten with the venues at Fox even back in the mid 80's with the Government Pavillion then moved onto RHI/Hordern etc and even when they just used to throw parties in the Banquet Hall ( now Dome ) and then when it all became so huge, all the venues were just too conveniently close to each other , you couldnt help but have a great night.

Homebush is just too far and besides the trains wont be running at 1am or 3am or 5am so who is gonna hop a bus that far ?

Does anyone know why the parties were stopped at Alexandria Basketball stadium ? I heard because it was ruining the floor but with the $'s they go they could afford a new one every year !

Pity the old church opposite St Vincents cant be turned into one of those dark gothic type venues we see overseas but Australia lacks. Just where are all those old cinemas/community halls ?
Just me reminiscing - Thu 19 Jun 2003 19:48:49

Arrrrr, the good old days
- Thu 19 Jun 2003 20:20:26

The 3 people of the front cover of SX are ALL females, your comment -

"I have no idea who the other guy & girl in the pic is"

made me laugh hysterically.

The 3 in the pic of course are all female DJ's , the one I suspect you think is a bloke is DJ Many Rollins you clutz !
- Thu 19 Jun 2003 23:52:05

A very interesting letter in SX today.....

"I was invited out with some friends a week ago to a couple of Oxford Street
bars for a few post dinner drinks. After spending only about two hours in
two separate bars I went home to bed. Next morning I awoke with a really
sore throat and my clothes stunk of cigarette smoke.

Like most non-smokers I am offended at having to suck in passive smoke in
enclosed public areas. Many straight bars and clubs run non-smoking areas or
even have non-smoking nights in the whole of their establishment. There are
even straight places out there that ban smoking all the time in their
premises and still manage to have a very busy and profitable venue on their
hands. What joy I say !!

Why is the Gay community so far behind 21st century mentality in adopting
healthy environments for people to socialise in and why are smokers who are clearly in the minority catered for in gay bars against the majority of people who dont smoke ?

Its high time a gay club or bar took the initiative and created a
non-smoking place to socialise. Im sure there are thousands of others who feel this way.

I challenge any gay run bar or club to take on this cause. The first gay venue to show such an initiative will probably find a whole new group of clientele that most people never knew existed."
A worthy topic of debate - Thu 19 Jun 2003 23:57:41

Love your work.
I respect peoples rights do do as they feel but the idea of a smoke free policy in bars / clubs works for me. I don't pour my Bourben over patrons clothes, so why should i have to smell like an ashtray everytime i set foot in these places.

I have partied in smoke free clubs around the world and the difference is amazing. Breathing in clean air is so refreshing.
- Fri 20 Jun 2003 11:16:50

Just a reminder that PRIDE Week 2003 begins tomorrow. Kicking off the festivities will be the fabulously formal Aurora Dinner.

For those who like to party PRIDE and New Mardi Gras will be hosting a Sunday Recovery @ Home Nightclub. Just $15 for PRIDE and Mardi Gras members, $20 for non-members. Tickets are on sale from the PRIDE Centre and the Toolshed and at the door. DJ's Kate Monroe, Alex Taylor, Chip & Kelly Lynch.

Hope to see you all there. I'll be working on the door so if you get a chance, come up and say hi.

Happy PRIDE Week.

xxxx

Lou-Anne Lind
Co-President
Sydney PRIDE Centre
- Fri 20 Jun 2003 14:41:20

but i don't like your smoking
it makes me cough
100% Passive - Fri 20 Jun 2003 15:06:53

There'll be serious hula-hoop action at midnight courtesy of TRASH VAUDEVILLE & KIRA (Hula Deluxe) followed by some heavy-duty bloodsports from RUSH ELECTRA - not for the squeamish!
- Fri 20 Jun 2003 16:12:36

Toybox WILL sell out!

Last tickets at Comity or One Stop.

Good on you Sydney for supporting something Melbourne has been doing for years now.
Noisy Gypsy - Fri 20 Jun 2003 16:50:16

Today I have written to SX News as follows -

A huge round of applause for Stephen of Alexandria's letter in SX issue 125 about smoking in gay clubs.

For a number of years now I have been reluctant to socialise in any enclosed
gay bar in this city that doesnt have any sort of fresh air circulation and
any non smoker who values their health should follow this lead.

I also agree with Stephen that if any gay run establishment made its venue
non smoking that there would be a flood of appreciative non smokers who
would support such a venue with its patronage.

Does anybody think for a second that any gay bar in this city has the guts
to do this ? I'd say its unlikely as most gay venue managers tend to show a
lack of initiative and imagination when it comes to the well being of customers.

If you feel strongly about this issue please join me in writing to SX.
Hopefully SX can advise us of the number of letters of support this issue raises ?

Email SX at editor@sxnews.com.au
.
Joey - Fri 20 Jun 2003 18:05:23

Now for more coffee after a lovely busy night at Hellfire. Oh, and I hope you all appreciated the large hunky sailors we sent up to Oxford St. They were pretty :-)
Evil Twin - Sat 21 Jun 2003 11:11:19

I remember 'Cockpit' well, (on a site now occupied by apartments) the club was doomed from the start - and changed it's name later to 'Top Gun' so it didn't sound too gay when they were in death throws touting for a straight crowd.

In what was originally an ethnic dinner cabaret lounge two entrepreneurs (Bob with a moustache and his tall friend) decided to give wee Dawny a run for her money on King street - at that time a bad idea.

They owned a gutted 4?-seater plane which they installed as the centrepiece of their new theme club. Bought some obsolete business class airline seats in working order and 'Cockpit' was born.

Monique Kelly was primary entertainment along with obligatory boys.

As a novelty it was fleeting and nothing the boys tried to get guys in the door worked.

I have to admit I was there often, got to know them well and even helped on occassion flyer drop on Oxford Street of all places.

I often think of them and what they are doing now - they gave it a good hard push but it never flew.
I was there! - Sat 21 Jun 2003 12:01:54

Particularly when the Newtown Hotel is the bleakest, dankest vision of gay culture imaginable.
- Sat 21 Jun 2003 12:55:56

people like you make this whole industry fun - thank you:)
- Sat 21 Jun 2003 13:17:53

Would love him to be black/tall/big'ish( but comfortable )/mid-late 20's with a beatiful smile and roots like a rabbit !!!
Just for me pretty please ? - Sat 21 Jun 2003 15:07:47

On another note I have been interested to see just how much Toybox has been promoted. It is sure to do reasonably well just due to the amount of advertising they have dished out. I hope most people are going to Home afterwards considering this is a community event. Spunk at the Shift so far has not taken off at all. I hear most nites they are lucky to get 30 people through the door (unless it's a 'special' nite). Arq still rules supreme on a sunday.

And I am definitely joining in the 'venue smoking ban campaign' and have sent my email of support to editor@sxnews.com.au
Stefano - Sat 21 Jun 2003 20:54:04

happy pride week ! (and hopefully bybye to any future toy box parties)
Glade Essence of Vanilla - Mon 23 Jun 2003 01:29:20

I think someone is being a little too sensitive - you're not the promoter of the party are you ?
- Mon 23 Jun 2003 11:45:05

That's what you get at a kiddywiddy theme party. Someone - inevitably - will need a nappy change....
- Mon 23 Jun 2003 11:46:20

I'd love to see a bar in Sydney have the balls to be a smoke free environment, I think they would be surprised at its success.
- Mon 23 Jun 2003 12:14:42

please post your buys. Lol:)
- Mon 23 Jun 2003 18:27:38

I couldn't agree more. Panther, could you please start a wall called Countdown so if we really are interested in being constantly reminded how many days/hours/minutes/sleeps there are until whatever upcoming party we can just pay that wall a visit????
- Tue 24 Jun 2003 16:23:52

Just a call that Back 2 Love: The 3rd edition is on this Saturday night. We hope to see you there for another dose of good lovin’. If you require a flyer or more info sent to you and maybe to invite not only you but all your fiends, please contact us at back2love@optusnet.com.au.

See you all on the dance floor
the crew - Tue 24 Jun 2003 19:04:42

Instead I urge people to make constructive criticism. If you didn't like it, tell us why: You didn't like the music. There were not enough/too many people. There was too much/too little sex. No one picked you up.

If you did like it, tell us what you liked most!

Parties are meant to ba about fun. Don't spoil other people's fun.
Panther - Wed 25 Jun 2003 08:21:46

I did NOT make the above posting.

Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y,
Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y,
Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y, Three days to G.A.Y.
the Countdown boy Mark 2 ( all trash and definitely no class and not going anywhere)i - Wed 25 Jun 2003 09:54:53

No matter what -- Alex, Chip, Kate and Kellie -- It was nice to be there. You will always get a big fat "THANK YOU" from me.

I suspect the time slot was a bit awkward but it was nice to have the club to ourselves, I thought... and THANKS, again~!
Andrew - Wed 25 Jun 2003 11:31:28

And yes i know i cant blame the organisers for this
- Wed 25 Jun 2003 14:16:20

ps - i find a shirt off at arq equally tragic - even though somewhat attractive it is just another set of commodities for the queen to ascribe towards and pretty dull.
let people be MR/MISS grown up - Wed 25 Jun 2003 14:47:52

There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
There are now 4665 minutes to go till G.A.Y !!!
countdownboys second cousins half brother in law - Wed 25 Jun 2003 16:31:27

suck eggs Sydney losers!!
- Wed 25 Jun 2003 17:06:45

While I am at it - Would the Mandy Rollins Fan Club please refrain from posting vicious disgruntled comments on parties they attended mistakenly. Not everyone lives in the jungle you know – That means you :Glade essence of Vanilla.
shock - Wed 25 Jun 2003 17:41:24

How many negatives can you put into one point?
If you were never a fan, why would you go?
When you say parties, i assume you went to a few?
If you couldn't figure out that Toybox was going to be alot like Frisky you must be plain ol stupid.
Why did you bother to go, or did you just need an excuse to get on Pinkboard and sound like an idiot?

Your opinion suxs
Duh! - Wed 25 Jun 2003 17:46:42

The crowd at G.A.Y is no different to a Frisky or a Ruby or a Queer Nation. The only difference is the fact that the music is very definitely camp. Expect loads of Kylie , Dannii , Madonna , Whitney , etc etc.

All are welcome. Im 40 next year and dont give a flying f--k whoever else is there cause I'm going to have fun for me and me alone.
Rhiannon - Wed 25 Jun 2003 17:50:47

As for shirts off person - have you ever tried it ? My friends and I dont do it for show, we do it for comfort. After a decade of partying beleive me its very appropriate and very comfortable.

Not every queen is concerned about making a fashion statement !
Just my opinion - oh and any sailor stories boys and girls ? - Wed 25 Jun 2003 19:05:10

haven't spoken to one person who didnt like it.
The people on here are full of it.....clearly they didnt go.
- Wed 25 Jun 2003 19:50:20

Whips and leather at camp Torquemada!
Adam Q. Rot - Wed 25 Jun 2003 20:51:06

I dont know why you're getting so worked up about "my" opinion of the party. if you're so confident your party was a success, then what I think shouldnt matter to you. I hope this hasnt spoilt your day.
Twisted Australia - Wed 25 Jun 2003 22:23:34

The love and the Wrath (also: the Inquisition!)
Adam Q. Rot - Wed 25 Jun 2003 22:35:09

Imagine a man's body while inside is
Gaia, Lucrezia Borgia, Cruela de Ville,
Medusa, The evil(tm) Queen and the wicked Witch,
Betty Taylor, mother Theresa, Bodacea,
Joan of arc, Hippolyte and the Nanny, all rolled into one.
Not a pretty picture is it? If it wasn't so
melodramatic, it would make you laugh..

Donate today and feel less guilty!
Adam Q. Rot - Thu 26 Jun 2003 02:12:36

No doubt, you would have all heard by now that The Lewisham Hotel has closed temporarily. It is expected that the hotel will re-open next week.

In the meantime, fortunately for all BITCH! regulars, the Flinders Hotel have come to the rescue by kindly allowing us to use their venue to continue the Lewisham magic by bring all the Lewisham crew to Darlinghurst for this coming Saturday night - 28th July

Below is a FAQ list to further explain in detail.

Q: Does this mean that the Lewisham Hotel's Saturday BITCH! night is moving to the Flinders Hotel?
A: No. At this stage, it is for one night only.

Q: Will the management of the Lewisham Hotel run it?
A: Yes

Q: Can I expect to hear my favourite DJ from the Lewisham Hotel, Justin Scott bellowing out his usual stuff?
A: Yes

Q: Will the talented Miss Sandy Bottom be hosting the evening as usual?
A: Yes

Q: Will Vida Las Vegas grace us with her presence at around midnight?
A: Yes

Q: Will Portia Turbo be injecting us with her wonderful performances?
A: Yes. She’s also bringing with her, her dear friend Miss Rusty Box.

Q: Will the show line up remain the same"
A: Yes. Shows at 11, 12, 1 & 2 o'clock.

Q: Will the same bar staff as The Lewisham Hotel serve me?
A: Yes

Q: Is there a dance floor?
A: Yes.

Q: I like podiums. Are there any there for me to show off my fabulous dance moves?
A: Yes. People are also invited to use the Bar itself to dance on.

Q: Will SX News be there taking pics for the papers' social pages.
A: Yes

Q: I'm broke. Is there a cover charge?
A: No

Q: Being the western suburbs queen that I am, what is the exact address of the Flinders Hotel?
A: 63 Flinders St, Darlinghurst. It's only a short walk from Taylor Square.

Q: The Lewisham Hotel closes at 3am. What time does the Flinders close?
A: 24 hr license on weekends

It is expected that this will be a huge night, as this is the first time the gay inner-west have moved to Darlinghurst, as a whole, under the one roof.

Please arrive early, as unlike the Lewisham Hotel, the Flinders Hotels capacity is not as big. We also expect to get bombarded with Oxford St regulars who have never made the cab trip out to the Lewisham Hotel. Bearing all this in mind, you may need to queue to get in if you arrive too late.

Kindly let all your Lewisham buddies know, who may not be on the Lewisham Hotels' BITCH! email group.

See you all on the night.

Bye for now
Juzzy - Thu 26 Jun 2003 08:10:19

Toybox DJ List -

Main Room was Ruby & Neal Crawford (not sure which order they played)

Smaller Room was Alex Taylor midday to 4pm , then Jake Kilby 4pm to 8pm (close)

The Metro does NOT have a 24 hour licence anymore. Any evening events held at that venue would need to close at 3am as has been the case for the last few years.

Question answered.
- Thu 26 Jun 2003 09:15:52

My point is that if you had been to "many" Frisky parties complementary or not and had never been a fan, then why would you bother going to to Toybox knowing it was going to be much the same style of party.

This is not about the party being a success, it's about your dumb ass going to it in the first place.
I'm far from trashy and or ugly( and yes i was there )
And yes i still think your opinion sux
Duh! - Thu 26 Jun 2003 10:57:24

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/24/1056220597879.html
- Thu 26 Jun 2003 19:08:56

Toybox utilised the same suppliers that Frisky did. Why? Pretty simple - they know the room better than anyone when it comes to creating that amazing Metro experience.

From their promotion: "ToyBox will deliver the superior production levels that you've come to expect from events at the Metro Theatre. As part of our team, NiteGroove will ensure an amazing production with the help of Lasers by Oracle, intelligent lighting by Concert Lighting Systems, sound by Norwest. All to create a ToyBox designed for maximum fun".

Toybox did not quite sell out but went within 100 tickets of doing so - not a bad result for a first time party. I believe the figure was around 1120.

Toybox did not pretend to be anything more than a hell of a lot of fun in the middle of winter - it succeeded in giving us that experience.

If people don't like that format, so be it - enough do!
Extremely Wrecked.... - Thu 26 Jun 2003 19:28:46

I loved the party.
When's the next one?
- Thu 26 Jun 2003 22:00:55

No.....they were the toybox partygoers......
- Fri 27 Jun 2003 14:28:11

Has anyone invented one yet?
who? where? WHEN? - Fri 27 Jun 2003 17:27:06

Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond the promoters control, a $5 cover charge will apply upon entry to the hotel from 9pm.

However, the good news is that your first drink is FREE!

The promoters apologise, and once again, we look forward to seeing you all there.
Juzzy - Fri 27 Jun 2003 17:41:36

This is going to be more twisted than club DV8... a real treat for the senses. The theme is Medieval-meets-Fetish get your best dress ups out and come along and check it out. for more info: www.pixelpusher.net/lavish or email: brainchild@iprimus.com.au
Sam - Sat 28 Jun 2003 03:13:37

Sam you are so off the mark.
The shift was the only ones that would open for the toybox crowd.
When preparty preperations were being done.

Maybe pride could start their organizational skills a little earlier next time.

Also consider the style of music......
and door charge........?
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 10:25:18

For those that dont know panther (like me) please I.D for us which pic in SSO is panther :)
curious - Sat 28 Jun 2003 16:41:04

stonewall, kinselas, lord roberts, phoenix and manacle were open
- manacle was amazing... maybe try one of the less glossy alternatives next time where budgets are spent on you rather than on adverts attracting you- they're usually all always free... not a discouragement from doing the shift
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 16:48:21

stonewall, kinselas, lord roberts, phoenix and manacle.

are these venues capable of taking 600 people?
because as i know it people want to stay together.
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 18:24:15

NO.
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 18:28:20

NO.
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 18:54:01

There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!! There are NO minutes to GAY !!!!

I'm off to check it out, hope you all have a good night !!
- Sat 28 Jun 2003 22:09:11

Makes me wonder why they dont slag all the Sauna's and Suckshops to put in a dance floor and music for them :)
Leave it as a party - Sun 29 Jun 2003 08:36:38

It's basically illogical to say that sex and parties don't mix. Says who? And who defines what 'sex'is finally? And against whose standards? People 'have sex' in a thousand different ways and degrees at every dance party - gay and straight. Dance parties are supposed to be sexy events that sexy people go to. You don't check your libido at the door.

There's a middle way here that has worked for many years. We need to make it work again.
- Sun 29 Jun 2003 13:42:34

there is... well in the eyes of the idiots who make the laws anyway. i didn't say i agreed with them, i just questioned the consequences of flouting them.

>That's why our big dance parties have - for the last 10-15 years - negotiated dedicated, discreet spaces in which sex can occur, with police/licensee approval/tolerance.>

yes, but that's impossible to do in the smaller venues. that was my point. as far as i'm aware, you can't ask the cops if they mind if you do that thang they've got laws saying you're not allowed to do... pretty please? can you? am i missing something here?

>It's basically illogical to say that sex and parties don't mix.

It's basically illogical to say i choose to exercise my godgiven right to have brekkie naked in my favourite cafe, despite what any silly law says. should i give that a go do ya reckon?

>Says who? And who defines what 'sex'is finally?

errrr..... apparently "THEY" do... whether we like it or agree with them or not. It's their standards we are unfortunately bound to either abide by or accept the consequences of what happens if we don't. I don't like it any more than you, but i like getting kicked out of parties and watching events go bellie up becoz of these issues, even less.

>And against whose standards?>

Well i'm an idealist, but even i can do the reality check now and then.... and as i understand it we'd need to work really hard to alter the establishment's standards to match our own....? (i'm not giving up, but i'm not holding my breath either)

>Dance parties are supposed to be sexy events that sexy people go to. You don't check your libido at the door. >

yes i agree... the sexier the better... but at what cost should i let my libido run rampant? seems a bit uncaring not to consider that, when we talk of "community values" so very very often. i may check my common sense at the door, to make sure i still have some. ~smile~

>There's a middle way here that has worked for many years. We need to make it work again.>

is there? what is it? i'd love to know. when did it work before? (at parties other than the really big ones, not everyone has the clout and resources of a Mardi Gras committee or an Acon organisation, smaller venues have to fend for themselves)

thanks for your thoughts.
busy bee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 00:53:52

On the same lines of your last point about "unattractive decorations", did you manage to catch the window display downstairs ? What a wasted opportunity. Up until the last day or two before the party, all that was in the window was a tatty bit of white material hanging behind the mirror ball. Then all of a sudden, a couple of pieces of black and white wrapping paper appeared.....hmm, come on guys, what happened to creativity ???? Did it get lost in the coat check ???

I missed GAY on this occasion, but again, echoing the comment above about two different dance spaces - DROP IT GUYS !! It doesn't work !! Leave the smaller space as a chill out area and open BOTH doors to the main dance space....
- Mon 30 Jun 2003 12:39:08

there isnt' much to choose from when quoting those laws, unless you want to post about 10 pages of legal jargon. i thought it was pretty obvious that those points i outlined are the main issues.

if you feel i've missed the point... then please tell me what you think it is. i am open to your feedback here. my point is to work together, not in opposition.
busy bee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:06:32

See what happens when you open your big mouth and make a comment about an event you didnt go to ?

Your comment "and open BOTH doors to the main dance space" is completely incorrect.

Both doors to the main dance space (unlike previous GAY's) on this occassion WERE open.... all night

Now who's the one with egg on his or her face ?

For the record GAY was OUTSTANDING !
.
Next time you feel like expressing an opinion at least make it an informed one - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:08:40

thankyou for that feedback.
busy bee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:16:05

heheeh, thanx for your (medical?) opinion smarty panties... i do not have sars. do you have asthma? ask another asthmatic if they get an attack when exposed to smoke machines. i'd be interested to hear the answer. or perhaps you could conduct a survey if you don't believe me.

have a nice day : )
busy bee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:22:13

yes, that's true... but have you noticed No Holes Barred has not been on for some time?... i went to the last one, i think it was 2 years ago. (maybe they've had trouble finding a good venue)? the place it was held was not the sort of place i'd want to go to again or hold a party at. each to their own. major factor: there are hardly any unlicensed premises you can hire that have any character or potential. perhaps we could start putting on fetish events in scout halls and get the rotary club to do the bar for us? ahh, if only it was "simple" like you suggest.
busy bee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:33:11

Of course i am! and aren't you clever, you've not only figured out that i'm the Promoter, but you've outed me too. that's cool... i wanted to be open anyway, but was concerned about putting people offside on this list. I did however, decide it was a good idea to go right to the source for this discussion and find out how people feel about this whole sex at dance parties issue and get the dialogue going. After the fiasco that took place at the last Club DV8 where at least 20 people were ejected for "obscene" behaviour (not my words) i am definately concerned and anyone who isn't is asleep. i want people to feel safe at my event and to be able to have a good time without fearing discrimination. The security guard who did most of the harrassing at club dv8 was definately a big homophobe, but he was also under instruction from a perhaps over-cautious management/licensee who was obviously not prepared to be fined or closed down. please understand that if i've stuck my neck out in this public forum, it must be important as i wouldn't do that lightly. i had no idea just how full on the clean up sydney's clubs campaign is when i booked this venue, so i'm working here on prevention, rather than cure, as that could be too little too late. i think that it's gotta be possible to go to a dance party and ENJOY yourself without getting or giving a blow job, (though that would be nice)... as far as i can tell, the only place it's safe-ish to do that in most clubs is in a toilet cubicle. why not just save it for those events that are structured that way. For those who can handle that concept, come along to Lavish and have a great nite out with us! for more info: www.pixlepusher.net/lavish or
view poster at: http://www.screamzteam.com/html/lavish.html
busy bee (aka Miss Sam) - Mon 30 Jun 2003 16:56:42

You guys cramp my mussels yet warm the cockles my heart and the souls of my feet.
A. dancing maniac - Mon 30 Jun 2003 17:07:10

I admit the medical degree which Mr Panties hangs on his office wall is slightly dodgy looking, but it's common knowledge that smoke machines dont cause respiratory problems. it's a synthetic "fog" not smoke.
Chiclet - Mon 30 Jun 2003 17:29:20

Im not sure if you were paying too much attention to the music given what you said.

I will however grant that it was a tad annoying moving from one space to the next and having to put up with the music from both rooms crashing together however that was easily avoided by moving swifty away from that area of convergence.

As for you comment on the music how wrong can you be.

There was so much girly music played between the two spaces and also so many anthemic tracks played from the 90's and even some from the 80's !!

I recall hearing artists during the night such as Old 1980's Donna Summer, Multiple Whitney Houston , at least 2 Kylie tracks , Danniis last 2 singles at least 4 Madonna tracks, a 1980's pet Shop Boy track, as well as other cheesy anthems of yesteryear such as

3 is family - Dana Dawson 1995
Santa maria - Tatjana 1995 *cringe*
Lets all chant - Pat & Mick 1989
Never can say goodbye - Communards (mid 80's)
Sing Hallelujah - Dr Alban 1993
Relight My Fire - Take That 1993
Losing My Mind - Liza Minnelli 1988
I Need Somebody - Loveland 1997
Rhythm of the Night - Corona 1994
Lets hear it for the boy - Denise Williams 1982 !!!!
You spin me round - Dead or Alive 1983
In the evening - Sheryl Lee Ralph 1995
Walkaway Lover - Toni Pearon 1995

On top of that there were so many anthems played from the present and last 12-18 months such as

I will love again - lara fabian
Joy - Staxx
Above the clouds - AMber
Just a little bit - Liberty X
The new remix of - Lost without you - Delta Goodrem
One day in your life - Anastasia
Dirty - Christina Aguillera

Honest to God how much more camp do you want it ??????

Some people are never satisfied.
Stephen Blomfield - Mon 30 Jun 2003 18:20:35

Re the licensing laws, why rely on second hand info from Pinkboard? Make a call to the Surry Hills police and sort it out with them. How hard is that? Then brief your own security properly on the night.

BTW, sussing out who is the promoter posting is common sport around here.
- Mon 30 Jun 2003 19:44:02

Not any that I've worked on. Where did you get your information from ?

If you wanted sex you went behind the curtains in Dome or the Hordern toilets
or back row of the bleachers.
Back then it was discreet, no dedicated area roped off and advertising the
fact. From memory the problem only started once dedicated areas were in place.

Venues are not interested in losing their licence by breaking the law no matter
how pinkboard know-it-alls interpret it.

They wont give up Busy Bee
I just wanna dance - Mon 30 Jun 2003 19:48:50

I suppose you were expecting to hear "Nutbush city limits" , "The Time Warp" and "YMCA" ?
some people have no taste - Mon 30 Jun 2003 22:16:50

Everyone still seems to be missing the issue - it is a harm reduction issue. If sex happens just anywhere (and it will) and condoms are not close to hand, then some people are more likely to just have unsafe sex. If there is a place with plenty of condoms available close to where people are haing sex then many people will make use of them.

HIV is officially on the increase again. We need to keep trying to find ways to stop it spreading. The Nancy Regan "Just say no" does not work.
Arti - Mon 30 Jun 2003 23:11:06

whatever. maybe you've missed my point now, but obviously you believe you're right and i'm not. have it whichever way you like. someone else suggested i must be "bored bee" not busy bee... can't quite see what is wrong with errr... responding. and umm this is work sweetie... its' all part of the project care and organisation of Lavish. call it a holistic approach. how many of you can say you've had this much input from promoters personally about your wellbeing and your nite out? i'm not doing this to sell tickets, that's not necessary.

>Scroll back through the posts. Sex on premises, sex on premises, advert for Lavish, sex on premises... hardly need to be Einstein here. If you wanted to be open, why didn't you say at the start?>

pretty sure i've already answered that. (see: read back) reason no. 2.. maybe becoz of people like you? i notice you remain anonymous :)

>Re the licensing laws, why rely on second hand info from Pinkboard? Make a call to the Surry Hills police and sort it out with them. How hard is that? Then brief your own security properly on the night.>

i'm not asking for info here, i've quoted the relevant legal info here. i did my homework. i'm here talking to people who actually go to clubs to find out if they understand the difficult position (rock & hard place) promoters and club managers/licensees can be in ? it's all feedback. didn't think that was so unclear. ultimately i'm here to find the best way to work with party goers and police.

>BTW, sussing out who is the promoter posting is common sport around here.>

i noticed that... and that you seem to get lots of pleasure from this sport. happy hunting, i've got nothing to hide... you did me a favour.. now i can speak directly instead of in the third person.

i also invite anyone who feels so inclined, to come up and say hello to me on the nite :) i'll be easy to find... just ask for the Hostess/Dommie Bitch *evil laff*
cheers
p.s... if anyone wants to ask me anything or take this off this list, please feel free to email me at brainchild@iprimus.com.au
Miss Sam (a busy bee organising lavish) - Mon 30 Jun 2003 23:32:22

hey there "i just wanna dance"... hehehe, neither will i..!
:]
bbee - Mon 30 Jun 2003 23:58:27

One of the recurring themes of Pinkboard is for people who know nothing about our community's history, to get on here and blather away reinventing an historical experience about which they clearly know nothing. Thanks for ensuring the continuation of that tradition.
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 08:14:51

Your posting makes it sound like we are "addicted" to having sex. Harm minimization to the point of supplying all needed equipment (in this case condoms) doesn't even happen for drug addicts who are physically addicted to very powerful chemicals.

Maybe the Nancy Reagan "Just say no" line won't work - but how about the "Please begin to behave like a responsible adult" is more appropriate.

We can't expect ACON to rush into the rescue every time some gay adult man can't do the sensible thing ie. bring their own condoms and find a loo in which to have sex.

If you look at the figures of who precisely is seroconverting it's the 30-39 yr old age bracket - not young guys who don't know what safe sex is - but a maturing population who are used everyone doing everything for them to keep them safe whilst they never have to think about anything except who they are next gonna lay.
A responsible adult - Tue 1 Jul 2003 09:32:02

"how many of you can say you've had this much input from promoters personally about your wellbeing and your nite out?"
On this board, all the time! Just usually (but not always) more openly and honestly than your flood of promotional posts.

"i'm not doing this to sell tickets, that's not necessary."
Pull the other one. Have you sold out already?
Darkmikel - Tue 1 Jul 2003 11:11:44

When I go out to party, sex is on my mind. How can it not be? Sexy people, Sexy music, not to mention catalysts.

But it's strictly for AFTER. Not just for privacy, but by planning it this way, avoidable risks become just that.

Some friendly advice, KEEP IT QUIET! You will eventually force licencees and promoters to cover their arses; why force it?
can of worms - Tue 1 Jul 2003 12:02:40

We now return you to our normally scheduled programming.
Adam. Q. Rot - Tue 1 Jul 2003 12:12:50

Sound advice, o can of worms! Speaking as a promoter who has spent a lot of time in court, you're dead right. Some things are better left unsaid, especially when they draw attention to stuff that's always been going on, but all have chosen to look the other way from. The more stridently people demand sex spaces at parties, the less likely they are to happen, as venue owners will be aware of the need for them to put into place anti-sex security strategies to 'cover their arses' as you so succinctly put it.

Sometimes a little British understatement can go a long way.

Also, I and many other promoters use this board regularly to promote their own events. If I am posting about mine (or anyone else's event) I always sign the posts, to make it clear that I have a vested interest in what is being said. May I suggest that all other promoters who post on this board do likewise, to enable us all to get past some of the nastiness that clouds this board from time to time. If everyone is upfront from the start, then nothing can come back to haunt you later on, and no accusations can be made about bad faith.

Think of it as Pinkboard karma. It works, and it can be good or bad for you - you reap what you sow.

Now let's all play nice ...
Craig/Tom - Tue 1 Jul 2003 12:42:27

and finally......

> I doubt that she will sell out, but you've got to admit that a Fagdyke Fetish Party that actively discourages sex is kind of a novel idea. Presumably Busy Bee is planning to sting anyone who tries it...
BYO insect repellent. - Tue 1 Jul 2003 11:48:47

wow! are you always this bitter? why not extend your repertoire to poofter bashing as well? which part of - i am trying to get your co-operation so i dont have to "sting" you - didn't you get? if you don't like the concept, don't come. isn't it up to you to check yourself/your behaviour ultimately and not me? food for thought. a novel idea?
see ya.
buzzy been there done that - Tue 1 Jul 2003 15:15:19

Xane
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 16:03:45

and ps - can people get over the sex in clubs debate? are you really all that desperate to fuck all the time in public? go to a sex club and let us dance - maybe we don't want to see it.
boring prude - Tue 1 Jul 2003 16:11:28

Here's a suggestion for next time. This is a new party, getting off the ground. This party has no track record, so people do not know what to expect with regards to music, atmosphere, vibe, venue, whatever. You have no "support" base, other than pitching it at a certain subculture. It's not easy, so don't make it harder on yourself.

Instead of berating your detractors, invite them along to see for themselves. As a promoter, *promote* the event. Put forward the positives. Rising to the bait makes you look defensive and petty.
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 17:02:59

Both of your brief and yet still negative one liners saying GAY was awful , crap and the worst ever are a total disgrace.

How can you possibly make a comment without having the balls to actually justify yourself !

To my of thinking the fact that you didnt justify yourself means one of two things - (1) You werent even there , or (2) You dont have the intelligence to string together in writing more than one sentence.

It is my opinion that "one liner" postings critical of any event , person , or group that dont say WHY they/who are being critisised should NOT be published on this board (but this matter i will address personally to Panther in an email shortly).

If you say something is crap it should be mandatory to back up that statement with the reason you felt that way inclined for it to be published on this wall or have it face its deletion by a moderator.

In defence of GAY let me say this. In my opinion it was one of the best GAY's Ive ever been to (and Ive been to about 5). The DJ's were outstanding , the crowd was great and unlike the trend in previous GAY parties the majority of the crowd stayed right to the end and did not drift away at about 4am like previous events. At the close at 7am I would say the place was still more than two thirds full. On the crowd itself let me say that I have never seen so many gorgeous men in the once space at any given time (possibly with the exception of a Mardi Gras party). The only negative I could see was the issue that there were certain places in the Shift where the sounds of both rooms music came together in a mish mash type of way. It was annoying but all you had to do was quickly move passed those areas and once again you would only hear one song at a time. Not to hard a task hey ?

Anyhow thats my say and i've justified all my comments with reasons unlike spineless anonymous people who make one line smart assed wise cracks ! Time for a change of moderation policy to avoid these useless , and pointless one liners being published on pinkboard in my opinion.

GAY you rocked. Its now the only special event in Sydney that I feel excited about going to anymore. Congratulations to all the hard working girls who put this wonderful event on for all us queens who still appreciate fun handbag music. Watch out peoples, handbag music is on the way back !!
Stephen Blomfield - Tue 1 Jul 2003 18:29:56

I think if you ask around you will find that Paul Goodyear is out of town for up to 4 weeks doing a circuit party tour of the USA. Therefore You might find someone other than Goodyear in the DJ box for a few weeks to come. I'd suggest you ask around. Mind you it would be far easier if Arq actually had a phone number where a real person actually picked the phone up and spoke to you rather than that silly money grabbing 1902-240004 recorded info line. Good luck in your quest, let us know what you find out.
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 18:37:42

If it's handbag that you want you can't go past the Taxi club on thursdays, fridays and saturdays.Why pay a huge price for GAY when the Taxi is free to get in if you're a member and much cheaper drinks than anywhere else on Oxford st?

the three DJ's there play the best handbag you'll find.

It's just an opinion so if you don't agree that's ok, just don't start bitching cause I have a wild time there everytime I go. (and I'm not a drag queen, tranny or a chaser of them, I just love good fun music)
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 19:06:34

Thank you Craig/Tom and Busy Bee and Can of Worms but no matter how many times you quote the law they wont get it.

And to the #@@$@@#@!# who posted saying what about the gender specific spaces at past parties. Thats exactly what they were #$@%$@$%#%$#..... I never saw a fvck space at the Fox and Lion did you ? We are talking dedicated sex spaces and not matter where you go , if its a licenced venue and they are aware of what you want to do , they won't hire the hall. And the Hordern toilets were not negotiated as a dedicated sex space at ANY party I worked at.

The problems at recent parties only caused trouble as the dedicated space was shoved in the laws face. You won't get you sex space by hurling abuse at people on this board or bad mouthing promoters that wont give it to you.
Still just wanna dance - Tue 1 Jul 2003 19:49:27

Why not go to the taxi club ? Maybe its got alot to do with the fact that the taxi club is tacky and the Shift is a high quality dance club/space that most queens enjoy going to.

Clubbing isnt always 100% about the music, its about the people and the environment you are in. GAY + The Shift on a quarterly basis is the perfect equation.
- Tue 1 Jul 2003 20:20:26

This is not the first time I have heard these exact comments about the Taxi Club but I am still trying to figure out why people think it is tacky. Most of the people who make those comments to me then go on to say they haven't been there for years. I'm not saying that you haven't but in my experience it's people who haven't been there who just repeat the reputation of years gone by.

Just for the record, the decor in the nightclub area has been renovated and look good especially in the nightclub environment and a new lighting system has been installed only a few months ago.

I've always found the people a lot friendlier to be around than a lot of the attitude queens who attend other clubs. As an example my friends and I have had numerous fights at the shift with certain minority groups because we were standing in "thier" part of the nightclub when people who look like us should be at another part of the club with the rest of our part of the gay community.

I do love the Shift but for a friendly party atmosphere, it's still lacking comapred to the Taxi.

But I am seriously interested in what you find tacky about the club.
- Wed 2 Jul 2003 07:02:36

Most comments about it probably do relate to it's historical rep. It would be a loss if it changed too drastically. The Taxi Club is...well...the Taxi Club.
- Wed 2 Jul 2003 09:49:52

Surely they've got nothing better to do these days than fight for the right to fuck wherever we want and whenever we want!!

Parenting rights, relationship recognition, homophobia in schools and on the street should be left till later as we have much more important things to worry about in our self-indulgent lives.

I mean who cares that we can bring our own condoms and *** in the toilets of the horden. Who cares that we can take a boy back to our place and *** for hours. Who care that we can just pop along to the nearest sex venue and have the time of our *** lives with a hundred men in the dark room!!

I implore the people who are against fighting for sex spaces to please THINK about what it is you are actually dismissing. This is about our self indulged culture which we have a RIGHT (Damn it!) to defend despite the stupidity and childishness of it all!!!!!

...phew!!!
childish whiner with nothing better to do. - Wed 2 Jul 2003 10:55:33

Don't forget our vibrant town is forever changing. Hey, I visit Phoneix, Stonewall, the Shift, Arq, the Taxi Club, Mars Lounge, Flinders, Columbian and even Kinselas & even the Courthouse -- all within a fortnight. I just HATE to miss out on anything. You never know who you are going to meet. Or who to avoid.

Paul, I miss you. Cheers to Arq for slipping in fresh and talented DJ's in your absence. I don't mine the lack of warning; I don't tell them when *I'm not* turning up, after all! *smile*
Paul, come home soon! - Wed 2 Jul 2003 11:43:55

Respect that place, please because our earliest DJ's cut their teeth there; a true zoo of diverse, extreme types--all dressed up and once the ONLY place to go!
- Wed 2 Jul 2003 11:50:39

The "cardboard" DJ name tags at the taxi club where actually made of wood :P

I should know. I made them !
Another DJ who "cut his teeth" at the Taxi Club - Wed 2 Jul 2003 13:14:26

What would also bring new generations of patrons is if a gay run club had the guts to run its venue as "non smoking" as was discussed further up this wall.
- Wed 2 Jul 2003 13:19:44

If you email us, on octopussy00@ozemail.com.au we will send you an email with information about THE FINAL NO HOLES BARRED and an application form for tickets.

Our application form asks a variety of questions that give us an indication where you're coming from... (basically since we can't expect to have time to have coffee with 150 people before the party).

We will ask questions like: "tell us what the naughtiest thing you've ever done in public is"... and "what type of clothes would you wear to a party like No Holes Barred". We also try to get an indication of how you'd feel in a truly pansexual environment (one thing we love about our parties is the visual feast it provides by having gay, lesbian, bisexual, 'try'sexual and all manner of other sexual combinations and possibilities played out side by side, and we want to invite people who this excites too!)

I guess we are looking for an open mind, and a friendly attitude, and a clear understanding that these parties are a little more explicit than Hellfire or other events we do (like SUNDAY SCHOOL as mentioned recently on this board), so we know that you're not 'faint-hearted'.

Ultra
The Hellfire Club
http://www.hellfiresydney.com
email: ultravixen@hotmail.com
Ultra - The Hellfire Club - Wed 2 Jul 2003 14:39:17

"Wed 2 Jul 2003 13:19:44":
I agree. I had the smoking thing under control until I went back to the clubs. I don't mind a smoke but I get annoyed having to bring everyone elses fags (I know, I know..) home with me, and them having to wash them out as soon as poss.

NO-SMOKING zones would bring in more patrons but would be brave & tricky to implement.
Non-smoking fags? - Wed 2 Jul 2003 15:36:13

It's funny. All of a sudden I really want Sleaze Ball to be on (at the Horden), and soon. I have a bad feeling that there won't be too many parties being held there in the future.
Evil Twin - Wed 2 Jul 2003 19:33:00

I am SOOOOO going to make this my project with all gay clubs in this city and ensure they comply with the legislation.
My new project - Wed 2 Jul 2003 20:24:03

Try the website below:

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/communications/campaigns/share_the_air/

or if that fails, just do a search on the NSW government website:

www.nsw.gov.au

.... a few others who are advocating designated sex spaces might want to do a search on that website as well to see what they are really up against.
- Thu 3 Jul 2003 10:29:50

It's a notoriously difficult and shifting area to try and get legal clarity and add to that the long, documented history of backhanders and corruption in the NSW licencing industry that has meant one place being 'tolerated' while the next place isn't.
- Thu 3 Jul 2003 12:32:28

panther@pinkboard.com.au