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Or is it that Alan is not even doing the Melbourne party, as reported on Pinkboard last week? Now there's a major ****Up!
Tue May 23 18:29:52 2000

Gee wanker, the airlines are getting good if they can have you in Syd and Melb at the same time. Hand In Hand may start on Saturday but all but 2 hours of the party is on the Sunday and the Melbourne party is a daytime party starting at 8am. Read all the postings before spouting please!
Thu May 25 14:21:58 2000

Don't forget the last Ice for a while!
Thu May 25 14:24:53 2000

Yesterday, at a regular very small 'day' venue, of about 60 people, 3 overdosed on 'G' - ambulances, police rescue, etc. etc.

When are we, as a community going to put a stop to a drug that reduces reasoning in the user's mind, is so restrictive in what can and can't be mixed with it, and has sent countless hundreds to hospital over the last 18 Months?

The words of warning given by so-called experts are being ignored, young inexperienced users are falling, older experienced users are falling - it has got to stop.

Warning to the dealers - the drugs you are selling are screwing up our chance for some relative freedom of choice in our venues! How do you think the licensees of our venues are going to deal with this issue when their licences are at stake because of the crap you sell. Either personally supervise the people you are selling to, or deal something that doesn't need strict supervision. The three yesterday were younger girls who obviously had been given bad advice or were just plain stupid (or both). The dealers are responsible for this regardless - you sell the shit, you are to blame.

Time for some community action at a grass roots level - Lose that bloody letter "G" from the alphabet, there are plenty of others to choose from!
Maybe this may start a useful debate on this wall - it's a very serious issue! - Mon May 29 14:37:15 2000

Dealers need to change their supplies. Sell something that doesn't, on a regular basis, send people to hospital. If the users can't be responsible, the dealers must take the full brunt of the responsibility.

What about the cost to the community - how long should we, as taxpayers, have to pay for the hospital services used each time this happens? Some dealers have stopped selling G for this very reasons - others must follow.

G needs to become as socially unacceptable as Heroin.
Mon May 29 18:59:58 2000

The comment above regarding sleep deprevation is interesting but cast your mind back to what time most ODs occur - and its not during the day but mid way through the wee small hours at parties or venues.

Yesterday was a strange anomoly where the people concerned were at a known day venue where the management have made it plainly clear to the regulars that dealers or users of the almighty G, regardless of who they are, will be banned for life if caught. Wonder how they are feeling today knowing that the opportunies and security they have provided to our community have been treated with such disrespect? Venues have taken steps to stop this evil drug - it will only be stopped by a collective grass roots campaign against it - negative peer pressure is the only effective treatment of users and dealers alike. Time for action, not bloody apathy on this issue!
Mon May 29 20:24:24 2000

Let's have some comments from the dealers (if we haven't already) detailing what they will do to stop this happening again?
Mon May 29 22:03:38 2000

I had a fantastic time at the Mardi Gras party, drug free. I was working in the medical area for a while, and saw lots of people come in groaning and much worse due to drug use/abuse. I posted a url http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid%5F750000/750628.stm] a while back, which anyone bothering to read would soon understand makes clear that taking E's invites not only something bad happening more or less immediately, but the likelihood (that's *likelihood*, people, not merely a small chance) of their brainpower being permanently damaged, with reduction in memory function, cognitive and analytical skills. Funnily enough, those taking and advocating the use of E can't work that out and forget about the warnings. There are an awful lot of heads in an awful lot of sand.
Mon May 29 22:08:33 2000

It occurred to me that through all the discussion of Linchings, Bannings, Burnings and OStrasizings there wasnt Any discussion of the major problem of no-one wanting to tell the ambulance guys what the Casualties had taken.I would suggest that when we create an eviroment of fear or shame about drugs as is the greater beliefs outside the tringle we run a greater risk of encountering segregation or worse unessescary fatalities. It seems doubtful that banning anything is going to change a thing as it didn't work for homosexuality, pagan worship, prostitution, marajuana etc. When we start working towards educating without predjudice, caring without expectation, showing that we can have a life beyond drugs there might be less need to have our priceless children dropping of this mortal coil.
Tue May 30 10:32:07 2000

For somebody like myself that will not touch that vile blue shit i find this whole issue rather disturbing. Unfortunately i must say that the decision belongs to the individual and their ultimate fate is in there hands. I cant see much that can be done about it.If people wanna go down that road even a roadblock wont stop them.
Tue May 30 10:32:47 2000

I agree with your assessment of your feelings on this issue, especially as a major supplier of one type of this drug but when people fall like 'flies' in a very small venue that I, and my, and some of your friends, frequent regularly, where everyone knows management's opinion on the drug, the topic should be talked about.

The issue of backyard versus good imported stuff is rubbish - it is all backyard somewhere! Justifying one product over another is ridiculous - many have been taken to hospital using the 'superior' imported product. Maybe we can get some good advice from Mardi Gras Medical or abroad discussion groups on this topic? It's obvious that the topic will not progress whilst one supplier is trying to justify their product over another when all can, and do, put people in hospital.

Note that when this type of drugs lead to ambulances, police rescue squad, local police etc. being in attendance, it does tend to dampen the general spirits within a venue - some people get a little pissed off at this sort of downer when they are trying to have fun relatively safely.

I am a little surprised that suppliers of this product are not a little worried at the moment - the attention to their product is not good for business.
Tue May 30 11:06:21 2000

Think about the effects on your friends if something goes wrong - a lot of us have scared the crap out of our friends through use of GHB or GBA!
Think of your friends first! - Wed May 31 13:40:42 2000

***No***

Please wake up now, anyone who agrees with the first paragraph. Get a life!

Constructive use of sarcasm - Thu Jun 1 7:12:22 2000

Knowing that e affects the mind permanently, anyone who takes it is has taken the decision to have their mind damaged permanently.

Knowing that g kills, anyone who takes it has taken the decision to die young.

Knowing that k is an anaesthetic for horses, anyone who takes it is seriously crazy.

Knowing that acid causes problems similar to schizophrenia, anyone who takes it has taken the decision to have their mind permanently damaged.

Need I go on? Party on, but no-one *really* needs the drugs.
Sat Jun 3 12:09:16 2000

TW, you say that you have no long-term problems, such as memory loss. But you can't remember if Ffierce is really finished or not. When you take e, you've said that you know you're going to feel bad.

E releases a store of seratonin to the brain, which would normally be released at the appropriate time, at the intended time. The physical body, the mental body - these are magnificent in themselves. Why do you think that playing about with them artificially when there is no need is sensible?
Sat Jun 3 15:36:42 2000

Blue has since become my party drug of choice. I do it on its own, or perhaps with a tiny amount of speed or LSD. I leave at least 2 hours between doses. I can go home and sleep after a party on Blue, I won't be suicidal on Tuesday and won't come down with an "ekky flu" that puts me off work for most of the following week.

I treat this stuff with respect/caution and listen to what my body tells me. (A party for me is an overnight event, not a weekend-long drug binge.)

What we really need is informed and rational discussion on the subject in a wider forum than here. It's fine to write "this drug will kill you", but if the community is full of people reporting euphoric experiences without the come-down, it's too easy to dismiss the "experts" as doom-sayers and the occasional person who passes out as a drug pig.

Blackbanning Blue and those who consume it is not the answer. The last thing we want is people mis-representing their drug consumption to MG Medical or Ambulance staff for fear of reprisals.

Please, more (substantiative) information, more (rational, unemotional) discussion.
*All* drugs are dangerous - Sun Jun 4 11:24:54 2000

I can get high without drugs, without any pleasure pain crap, without alcohol. Just the good feeling of having fun, either with others or without, of enjoying the time. I can travel astrally, at will. Anyone can do any or all of those things, if they put their mind to it.
Sun Jun 4 12:30:38 2000

With respect to various people who have tried to compare "apples to apples" after the Pinkboard Party Wall debate on "G" started, most recently, last Monday - The attempts to justify one type of a drug over another that a) convert into the same chemical in the stomach (according to medical friends); and b) delivery people (regardless) to the Casualty Dept, is just pure rubbish but..... what do you do!

I very much doubt that a commonsense solution to see the prominent dealers "push" something safer will be acted upon so really the only solution is to educate our 'sisters' of both sexes that feel the need to run the risk with this drug all too frequently. We can all do this at a grass roots' level by peer pressure and one-to-one education.

Safe partying at Hand-In-Hand and Frisky.
Mon Jun 5 11:45:42 2000

Made from: gamma butyrolactone (gbl) and sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide - basically it is degreasing solvent or floor stripper mixed with drain cleaner. When gbl or products containing it are ingested, ghb is produced in the body, that is why we refer extensively to gbl and bd.

Street Names for ghb: ghb, "g" (most common), gamma-oh, liquid E, fantasy, georgia home boy, grievous bodily harm, Liquid X, liquid ecstasy (is not ecstasy), scoop, water, everclear, great hormones at bedtime, gbh, soap, easy lay, salty water, G-riffick, cherry meth, and rrganic quaalude, jib.

ghb Precursors (analogs): (They turn into ghb in your body) gbl, bd, Blue Nitro, Revivarant, Renewtrient, gamma-butyrolactone, Revitalize Plus, Serenity, Enliven, ghre, SomatoPro, nrg3, Thunder Nectar and Weight Belt Cleaner, Invigorate, Firewater, Verv, and more.

Description: A clear liquid. Looks just like water. Can be mistaken for water because it is usually found in a small clear plastic or glass bottle, a water bottle, or even Gatorade bottles, which contains several doses. One quick taste, and you'll know it's not water. Not as common, but also found as a white powder. Infact powder use is on the rise! Note, sometimes blue in colour

Effects: Intoxication, increased energy, happiness, talking, desire to socialize, feeling affectionate and playful, mild disinhibition, sensuality, enhanced sexual experience, muscle relaxation, loss of coordination due to loss of muscle tone, possible nausea, difficulty concentrating, loss of gag reflex.

Many people have bad reactions. These can include nausea, headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, amnesia, vomiting, loss of muscle control, respiratory problems, loss of consciousness, being conscious but unable to move, and death- Especially when combined with alcohol or other drugs.

Effects of large doses: Disinhibition, sedation, desire to sleep, rambling incoherent speech, giddiness, silliness, difficulty thinking, slurred speech, passing out, and death.

***Warning - if your friend passes out, always seek medical attention immediately, no matter what anyone else tells you.

Effects of overdose: Sleep or deep sedation from which you cannot be awakened by any means for about three hours, and in many cases, death. Passing out while on ghb is sometimes called carpeting out, scooping out, or throwing down.

Center for Disease Control: "gbl is an industrial and household solvent of acrylate polymers, and unintentional poisonings have been reported ... It also is marketed as a dietary supplement at health food stores and on the World-Wide Web under several trade names. Although labeled as dietary supplements, gbl-containing products are illegally marketed, unapproved new drugs that have been involved in .... reports of adverse events..."

"emedicine": "ghb is readily manufactured from its precursor, gamma-butyrolactone (also known as 2(3h)-furanone dihydro or gbl). gbl is a solvent found in floor cleaning products, nail polish and super glue removers. Saponification of the lactone with sodium hydroxide in the form of lye results in nearly quantitative conversion. This method is not without its drawbacks however; there are several case reports of caustic alkali ingestion from undissolved lye. gbl also undergoes conversion into ghb in vivo (by an unknown mechanism) and, accordingly, is associated with many of the same symptoms."

Your body manufactures enough ghb for it's normal metabolism. The only reason people take ghb at a party is to get high, not for their health. People are kidding themselves if they imagine they're taking a vitamin supplement or amino acid, even though ghb has been marketed as such. Just because trace, minute amounts of ghb are found in a human body doesn’t make the lab-created form of it safe to consume!

It has even been dubbed "liquid ecstasy." It's highly concentrated street form is available as a liquid in small plastic or glass bottles. It's very cheap as well.

This is ghb in a nutshell. Now, why would you want to drink this?
Mon Jun 5 15:21:18 2000

A vial of blue liquid is poured into a glass of Coke. A small group of friends pass the glass around, each taking a sip. Constant rushes ripple through their body, while others can’t get sex off their mind the rest simply can’t stop talking. All of a sudden the youngest of the group begins to have real difficulty keeping his eyes open and finds his right hand jerking uncontrollably. Fighting to control the twitching, which has now also extended to his feet, he tries to sit down but collapses onto the floor.

Thank you to the Sydney Star Observer - June 9, 2000

Party Safely This Weekend
Fri Jun 9 17:59:54 2000
The rest of the article above was deleted as it is copyright SSO. Please go to the SSO site to read the article.

There was a great loss recently in the entertainment world. Larry LaPrise, the Detroit native who wrote the song "Hokey Pokey," died last week at 83.

It was especially difficult for the family to keep him in the casket.

They'd put his left leg in and...well, you know the rest.....
Sun Jun 11 17:01:51 2000

.....but now that you brought it up, your comment was racist. Just like homophobic news reports go out of their way to tell the world that so and so paedophile was "gay" when it had nothing to do with the criminal being a paedophile. It doesn't matter whether they were "wogs" or not (just using that word is offensive, so don't use it again) - it had nothing to do with their abuse, there are plenty of anglo saxon homophobes, you don't refer to them as "anglo-saxon homophobes" simply refer to them as "homophobes".
Tue Jun 13 16:06:47 2000

Tue Jun 13 11:37:35 2000 - Thanks for catching those racist comments, but please mind your language.

I enjoyed Hand in Hand. The crowd was quite mixed and very friendly. The music kept people dancing most of the night. I enjoyed the shows I saw (though I don't get the meaning of the duck). It was a good night.
Panther - Tue Jun 13 19:37:00 2000

With these specific issues I felt that they had been dealt with adequately by other posters. In review I see that I probably should have done something before.
Panther - Thu Jun 15 10:12:05 2000

Most of the people using these boards do appreciate all the effort you put in to keep theses debates civilised, and I know how fortunate we are here, as opposed to some of the unmoderated newsgroups where homophobia and racism run rampant and completely unchecked.

I just think that if our coomunity is ever to be accepted by the mainstream, then we have to lead by example and that means that we must shout down prejudice wherever we see it, including in our own community.

Prejudice of any kind is not acceptable. It doesn't matter how much you may have been a victim of prejudice or how threatened you might have felt in a supposedly safe space, nor how bad your come down may be. There is no excuse for prejudice.

Again Panther, thank you for your help.
Thu Jun 15 11:08:26 2000

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