Bitchin' 6 on Pinkboard

That last Bitchin' Wall filled up fast. Here is a new one. To make this world a better place we have to learn to love one another. There is to much hate and intolerance.

Background: Venomous Species from the 1997 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade
Copyright (C) Pinkboard, 1998. Racism, sexism, libel and other offensiveness is not welcome. The views expressed in this graffiti wall are not necessarily those of Pinkboard or it's management.

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Did anyone go to Pride party ? Seems like all of Sydney was in Lismore for the Tropical Fruits party which was the best gay (& lesbian) party Ever.
Stony Chute - Sat Jan 3 10:24:08 1998

aunty merle says thank god for a new wall. Now would they start one called bigot wall where all those woman and man haters can really go for it without offending the rest of us. children, children, children, Now anyone need advice I am with you so ask away. I have been providing personal advice for decades And now I am willing to share my pearls with you.Just ask
Ask Aunty Merle - Sat Jan 3 11:47:55 1998

Ah at last a William free zone
Relieved - Sat Jan 3 12:25:27 1998

Firend of William, if you want to attack Dawn O'Donnell, you don't have to pick on her appearance, she's 70 years old for God's sake, I bet your Granny doesn't look as good as her ? She has done more for the Aids fight than you honey, I hope when you turn 70, you can pull people to your party to pay $100 each to help Aids sufferers. You think that all men are Adonis ? Take a look around you. If you don't like her business practices', then attack her for that, not what she looks like. This society puts everyone under pressure to be eternally young and beautiful, especially in the fickle Gay male arena, and one day you will be old too, I hope you can cope with people pointing and staring at you saying "Oh look at that old fag, he needs a testicular lift",or he needs "masculizing", because he has lost all his hair and can't get it up ! You're not happy when the girls don't get up and do anything, and you're not happy when they build an empire and supply you with venues...Are you ever going to be happy....?
Dawn's Pet Cat - Sat Jan 3 12:33:36 1998

I have been following the comments on the last bitching wall, and found them entertaining, and in most cases justified. I arrived here on the new wall only to confronted by hideous wallpaper of lesbians. It seems that William is right and they have really taken over. I will not be returning until that appalling background is removed! I hope that Will and his other Dyke loving friends do not see it..............................
Over it - Sat Jan 3 12:43:07 1998

I'd like to bring up some new bitchin topics. Dawn's Pet Cat is right the queer community is obsessed with youth, in fact all of society is. It used to be that the most respected, were those with expereince, but now if your over 30, young people screw up their unwrinkled little faces at you and say "Wow, how did you get so old" They think they know everything, but all they are really doing is regurgitating all the things we did in the 70's. I feel sorry for the "electronic" generation, as they don't have very good "people" skills. The Gay & Lesbian community condones this, via all the pretty fresh young faces it always splurges over everything, tight bodies etc..these things will fade, just as sure as the sun rises. Our young people are subject to a barrage of meaningless music in our venues, they may as well sit at home and turn the light on and off. This is the "me" generation in it's ugliest incarnation. Let's give some respect for the older members of the community, who really know what's gone down in the last 30 years. They are the ones who had to fight so the young can hold hands in the street, or meet at a "gay" nightclub. God Stonewall was only 30 years ago !!!
The Ancient One - Sat Jan 3 12:43:27 1998

Bugger off Over It.
Peace and Love - Sat Jan 3 12:45:47 1998

I just lurve those lesbians in the background, more please. PP
Dita Cobb reincarnate - Sat Jan 3 13:05:17 1998

Aunty Merle says that 'Dawn's Pet Cat' and 'William' are one in the same person. Same tune, same words, different gender reference. 'The Ancient One' haven't you heard of gay years? A gay year is the same as a normal year until you turn 30, then you age 5 gay years for every year after that. I am 35 which is 55 in gay years.
Ask Aunty Merle - Sat Jan 3 13:53:01 1998

*Dawns Pet Cat* says that you are full of shit. I take offence that you equate my comments in the same bag as that idiotic william. I hope that we have seen the last of the likes of him.
Dawns Pet pussy - Sat Jan 3 14:24:24 1998

William: Your last sexist, racist, ageist message has been censored. Take your hate elsewhere. You are no longer on Pinkboard.
Panther - Sat Jan 3 19:49:44 1998

Yipppeee! No More William! I have nothing to bitch about except for men who do not return phone calls!
Red - Sat Jan 3 21:51:03 1998

Thankyou Panther you pink angel cat you!! The Ancient One, I have to agree with you. This is the age of 'me' and youthful beauty. That is why it is so degrading for people who don't fit the image. These 'younger' people are going to have a hard adjusting to 'older' age and body changes.
Sun Jan 4 0:00:25 1998

This has to be a joke. Don't all old codgers look enviously at bright young things and wish they could shed 20 years? Go to it you bright young things! We're just jealous.
Damien - Sun Jan 4 0:59:35 1998

Well 'dawns pet pussy' such a turn of phrase. Charming!!!!!!!! Lets just quote some of your words back to you......... "fickle gay male arena" "old fag" "he needs a testicular lift" "he needs masculizing" "can't get it up" Oh thats right, you weren't being offensive but HE (who will not be named) was. Go figure?????????? Aunty Merle says "two wrongs don't make a right". We may have seen the last of william (thank god) but remember dawn is one lady (and a nice one) hardly fair for you to claim the credit for everything she has done merely because you are the same gender as she. I'm sorry but You have never supplied me with a venue but Dawn has. Now am I to be the target of your hate now? Just be reasonable and logical with your arguments and we'll get along fine.
Ask Auny Merle - Sun Jan 4 2:55:01 1998

Aunty Merle, it's the same ol' same ol' Tall Poppy syndrome. Anytime anyone is doing well, someone has to come along & rip them to shreds. It's a bit like our ever-loverly Ian Roberts, he's a personality that's doing well & standing up for what he feels. The sad thing is that some of the "gay community" like to rip him to shreds as being an opporunits who's preying on the "pink dollar".... for god sake, if you do nothing people see you as being apathetic, if you do -something- you're seen as being opportunist. So Aunty Merle, I agree with you! Until people start using *their* $$ & resources to provide a venue, they should perhaps "grin & put up with it!" After all business is business (and stats show that nearly 70% of the gay community are professionals or business people)& no one's there to run a venue at a loss. There are plenty of venues that have run at losses & have since closed. Dawns are still alive & kicking (which kinda shows something). So, till the sun goes down, lets have Dawn as long as we can....
Aunty Merle's Purse - Sun Jan 4 3:59:25 1998

I just want to reflect on William for a brief moment. He started off trying to make a simple point about what in HIS perception is a lesbian invasion of the Shift. Then as he made more and more comments, the deeper darker and evil side of this petty minded person became very clear - my God to the point where Panther totally censored him. At the moment, the lesbian and gay community is debating a whole range of issues which in some form or another deal with exclusion (eg ticketing policies at dance parties, Mardi Gras membership, Lesbian Space Project). I am not suggesting for a second that these issues should not be debated and tackled. What worries me is that people like William are pushing a secret agenda in the various debates. Hopefully their views even if heard will not be actioned by the powers to be (Mardi Gras Board etc). Does someone like William see the ticketing policy at Pride NYE as some sort of a victory for their cause - it made the party gayer which is what he would want. However the decision had hopefully nothing to do with his extreme misogynist views. As the various debates progress and decisions are made, it is important that the reasoning behind each decison is made clear and statements also made as to what the decisions do not mean.
Semantics - Sun Jan 4 10:23:15 1998

Yes "semantics", William did start off by expressing his concerns in pleasant manner. It is my idea that he got a bit twisted because of all the outbursts to his opinion. Besides that a lot of people were on his side, but the gals just did not seem to get the message. I fyou look at the development of the argument you will see that it was the other side who was really looking for the shitfight and they stopped at nothing to try and taclkle him, even bringing up aids, dirty sex, sick childhood etc. This was not fair on William, who had valid views and stuck to them despite the viciousness of certain women who stopped at nothing to ridicule him, and wouls also stop at nothing to exercise their rights to take over the boys turf. Some places are sacred but they take offence and do not get it. So much for free speech, William has been censored! Of course we will never know what he said, but remember that censorship offends the person who censored the message! This is not free speach as we never got to read what he said. I will miss william, and his eloquent turn of phrase. He spiced things up and I know I am not alone......
Friend of William - Sun Jan 4 10:59:18 1998

Pinkboard has never been a place for free speech nor has it been promoted as such. Perhaps I am more tolerant of others views and prefer to change them by persuasion rather than by censorship. William's last message was racist as well as everything else and I decided that was enough. I welcome sensible debate on whether there should be gay or lesbian only spaces. I dislike debate which involves putting the other person down.
Panther - Sun Jan 4 11:25:55 1998

Aunty Merle's Purse: You said 70% of the gay community are professionals/business people. Depending on your definition of the community this could be correct, but I am sure that this does not hold true if you are talking about all homosexual men (including those not out). The people who have come out and joined the g&l community are the ones who have the freedom to do so. Money is one aspect of that freedom. If you are reliant on your parents you are less likely to come out than if you are financially independant. If you can only afford to live on the city fringes and don't have a lot of extra money for going out you will go to the local rather than Oxford St. Until there is no discrimination against gay men and lesbians within society then the statistics will be skewed.
Panther - Sun Jan 4 11:37:32 1998

very true pink panther!
Aunty Merle - Sun Jan 4 13:55:09 1998

Aunty Merle, Dawn's Pet Cat and Dawn's Pet Pussy, are not the same person. Neither am I William. Please read Bitchin 5, you will realise that I was responding to Friend of Williams attack on Dawn O'Donnell, saying she needs to be "feminized", or something like she is an old ugly dyke, I can't be bothered reading it again. Friend of William was the one, and William himself, that starting calling dykes names like "fat butted", "hairy legged" "ugly" etc...I was merely throwing back their comments and wondered how they would feel if they were told that they need "masculizing". William and his followers believe that all dykes are ugly and fat, and they have been extremely rude and vicious in relation to people's appearance. He obviously has never been to the other side or other lesbian venues (where he is most welcome I might add, if he behaves)and got a look at some very beautiful women. I think all the comments by dykes towards William, were merely turning the situation around, and seeing how Willy and his mates liked the abuse back. If you look back Williams first comments about banning dykes from the shift were not a simple request, he aslo whinged about how the "big fat dykes" want to push into Mardi Gras and the press, he was not making a simple statement about the shift. Go back and read his comments before you rip people up Uncle Merle
Dawn's Pet Cat - Sun Jan 4 16:16:32 1998

Friend Of William, in William's first message he was not as you state "pleasant". Go back and read it "barrage of boobs" "butch gals hogging the downstairs pooltable". He also states he was sick of seeing "lesbian images" in the coalitionist papers CapQ and SSO, and why don't we "stick to our own paper" He also whinges about how "we let them into Mardi Gras", But now lesbians are "taking over". He put shit on our dogs as well. So go back and read it FOW, it was not "pleasant" If it had been, there would not have been so much outrage. All the women wrote, plainly, or sarcastically, that we could'nt give a toss about the Shift. It's your space, we don't want it. Most Lesbians don't like going to bars anyway, so what's the big deal ? William put all lesbians in one basket, and that was offensive. Tell William that people are individuals, tell him to approach the lesbians in the Shift and maybe have a chat with them, if he can't be friends with them, then deal with it on a personal level. Let William tell the very few dykes that frequent the Shift that he personally doesn't want them there. It's ultimately up to the management to exclude "individuals" from their venue, which they do frequently. Lesbians want boys to have their own space, and we want our own space too, and from what William said he had no sympathy for Lesbian club owners from Siren's who have to apologise to a male gatecrasher. He was more sympathetic to the straight guy. So things work both ways don't they ? Women's venues will continue to welcome friendly gay boys to party with us, plus have are own exclusive spaces, and hopefully boy's will welcome girls to theirs, plus have your Shift as a male only haunt. I think there is enough room for everyone don't you?
Kiss and makeup - Sun Jan 4 16:40:33 1998

Hey guys and gals. Get over it. William is not here due to censorship (for better or worse). I do think he was provoked though. My opinion - if I am allowed to express it. Just hope this years Mardi Gras Party will be 100% full of gay boys and girls!
Gay Boy - Sun Jan 4 21:05:08 1998

Yes well, you may be right 'Dawns Pet Cat', Yes well lets forget it.
Aunty Merle - Sun Jan 4 23:04:08 1998

Dear Gay Boy, you know Mardi Gras is going to be full os str8's don't you ?
Pessimistic - Mon Jan 5 0:43:23 1998

Pessimistic: If we all buy our tickets early, buy all our tickets and make sure that they go to gay men and lesbians and community straights *only*, then MG will be much better. If we all say "It's too straight, I'm not going." then there are more tickets for the non-community straights, the tourists. Lets all pull together.
Panther - Mon Jan 5 8:45:11 1998

I think it is too late for Mardi Gras to ever be a totally gay event ever again. One of the objectives of Mardi Gras I beleive was to develop wider community acceptance of homosexuality and the "gay" lifestyle. Well they accepted us, now they want to be part of the fun and they are not going to go away. Similarly to the problem of lesbians having no visibilty at Mardi Gras, and the solution of adding "lesbian and ..." in front of the word gay and giving them their own space so that they could see themselves at the party to solve this problem. Mardi Gras is going to have to come up with a solution for the straight involvement in the parties. A boys own space isn't the answer. If it isn't done the parties will burn themselves out. We will become dependent on the straight involvement but if there are no gays at the party not even the straight people will want to go. It is not a question of dominating the ticket sales. It is a question of accepting the straights acceptance of us.
johnboy - Mon Jan 5 11:10:41 1998

It is my view that the segregated spaces should be abolished. For a real sense of community to exist the party needs to be held in only one venue, not 3 or 4 separate halls each catering to a separate thing. This division commenced when the lesbian hall was created, and the boys were left to deal with all the straights in their space, as they could not, and did not want entry to the girls hall. This slap in the face to the boys really changed things and they will never be the same. The scale of the party is too large these days, this is why so many starights are attending. Cut the ticket sales in half, have one hall for dancing, that is everyone together, with no segregated spaces, and another for performance and chilling out and the problem is solved. The way the parties are at the moment feels like a night at Darling Harbour. There is no sense of community at a party in which eveyone is oblivious to what is happening outside their own hall. I am not against Lesbians or straights at the party, I am against the divisions in spaces. Scale it down and move it to the one hall! Perhaps things will then change. In addition to this, I am tired of people from overseas travelling all the way here, only to whinge about the same things as we all do. The party needs to get back to its raunchy, hot, reasonably straight free former self, without divisions. If change does not happen the party will just fizzle out even more.........................
There needs to be a solution - Mon Jan 5 12:08:20 1998

I have three points in reply to There needs to be a solution. Firstly to scale down the parties (without a further major increase in ticket prices) means a lot less revenue for Mardi Gras and a necessary scale down in the festival and maybe even the parade. Some people may think this is not a bad idea as well. My preference is for the festival to keep growing. It is the two parties which fund the whole Mardi Gras machinery. Any decision regarding the size of the parties cannot be made in isolation. Secondly, I can see absolutely no evidence that the parties are 'fizzling out'. Mardi Gras is selling out in record time !!!! There are still a lot of people out there still happy to be punters at either or both parties. Thirdly, I think your historical perspective on the Mardi Gras venues is a little astray. Mardi Gras was for a number of years held in the Manufacturer's Hall - a huge venue. However, because of noise problems (following resident complaints), the venue needed changing. As a result there was a necesssity for several halls to cater for the growth in the size of the parties. The split to several venues had already happened before a lesbian space was ever invented.
My first was 82 Mardi Gras - Mon Jan 5 13:21:02 1998

I've visited the sydney.sidewalk site several times since its inception. Definitely worth a visit. Under the gay & lesbian category, there is an option called 'flesh'. Each week a person is profiled and shown in various states of (un)dress. All those profiled to date have been guys. Why no girls (and I'm a gay boy)????
Politically correct - Mon Jan 5 14:48:08 1998

Well I received my first ever request by email for spare Mardi Gras tickets !!!!
It had to happen / The price you pay for being on a circulation list - Mon Jan 5 15:10:17 1998

"Politically Correct", if as a gay man why do you want to pages of women anyway??? If women want to see the pics of women then let them ask! This politically correct bullshit is just that! I am tired of peolple saying inane things like your comment..... Whose butt are you trying to lick??
I'm "so" openminded and politically correct - Mon Jan 5 15:59:31 1998

Blue magazine (aimed at a gay & lesbian market and from the same publishers as Black & White magazine) is prepared to show in each issue naked and semi naked photos of gays and lesbians in an interesting, stylised and tasteful way. I loved the article and photos of the DJ David Smith. The article several issues earlier on Kate Munroe was just as fabulous. It's great to see positive (and I dare use the word) images of both gays and lesbians (and let's throw in trannies too). I can appreciate both.
A good story is just that - a good story - Mon Jan 5 16:40:15 1998

Well, I'm asking, yes I would like some lesbians featured in "flesh". So what happens now I've asked ? Shall I receive ?
PC2 - Mon Jan 5 18:48:44 1998

I would like to comment on the insertion of the word Lesbian into SGLM Gs name. Originally it was the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras and included both gay men and gay women. Both women and men have been involved in MG since the beginning. During the mid to late 80s in Australia common usage of the term gay changed to mean men only rather than both genders. This change in usage has not happened in other countries. The name was changed to Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras in 1990(?) to reflect the change in language, not the change in involvement or membership.
Panther - Mon Jan 5 18:56:39 1998

Dear "there needs to be a solution. Mardi Gras will not change or scale down anything, they are a big enterprise capable of alientating most of the arts community, in favour of their "friends" or who they think is "in". They lost their community focus years ago. It's all a little network of "who knows who", and if they don't know you, then your not in...I mean festival events, arts funding etc. The only way to regain the glory of Mardi Gras is to take it back into the hands of the community ourselves. If we want a truly diverse festival we have to create our own. Mardi Gras is as boring now as any "institution". The Real Party will have to go underground, and refresh itself from meagre beginings, just like it started. I say "Fringe Festival and Party"...there are a lot of very talented Lesbian & Gay performers and artists who missed ou on being included into the festival because of Mardi Gras snobby up themselves attitude. They don't return your calls, or assist when asked for information or help. It is like dealing with a huge corporation who are now too "busy" being superstars in their own minds to worry about the little people. It's all got out of hands, money greed and power have replaced sharing caring and creating. You watch, in the next five years there will be an alternative festival that everyone will go to because it will be cutting edge and fresh....It's David slaying Goliath, got to bring down the monster before it gets too big.
Fringe Festival 1999 - Mon Jan 5 18:59:46 1998

A good story has a point about Blue, it is stylish, lots of meny to throw around on it. I do like the articles too, but I must say I am sick of seeing Kate Munroe everywhere. What's the big deal ? She's only a DJ. I can't see how Kate (however sweet she may be ) has done anything that important to be splattered across every gay & Lesbian publication all too frequently. I think publications should look for other dyke icons to represent the lesbian community. Ones who are truly creative and original. DJ's and canned music has almost killed any live/original music that existed in the community, why glorify a platter spinner, when you could help a real musician gain credit for His/Her original music ?????
Is is causr she's young and beautiful and American ? - Mon Jan 5 19:07:48 1998

Darling, I love the term "platter spinner"!! It reminds me of the time I told a rather famous drag queen that she wore frocks that do not flatter he but splatter her. Pets, I am back and on the lookout for all my old admirers, specially the Gals................. I am not "smoochin snatch", but I like Kate Munroe, whom I met at the wrap party for free FM at, you guessed it Darl, at the Shift, on Sunday night. You see Darls, this space can be mixed at appropriate times, and this was one of them! And no Honey, I did not kiss any butt to get back on Pinkboard !!! Later, Daaarl !
William - Mon Jan 5 21:10:42 1998

I absolutely agree with "is she.........." What is the big deal about the person who changes the records, I will never forget the first party i went to when the music stopped and everyone clapped, i had no idea who they were clapping and collapsed with laughter when i realised that they were clapping the one that puts the records on. How ridiculous! Art has descended to paintings and sketches of dicks and bums literature has descended to Mills and Boons but with two boys performance, well noone goes accept at mardi gras time or unless Sir Weber stole the (i mean wrote) the score ( or unless there is nudity) It isn't just gay people (well gay men really) but the whole of society that has lost its culture and its intellect.
Aunt Merle says - Mon Jan 5 22:01:33 1998

My god, William is back. I thought that this stuck up little troublemaker was banned?? Do we have to listen to his whyning again? Take your self back to the Shift with all your fem hating mates you idiot, Darling, pet, sweetie, loser!!!!!
Lesso Power - Mon Jan 5 22:29:03 1998

I think that as a Gay man I've just become a Lesbian as my partner and I now own an esky.
Welcome back William Wish Wellingtons - Mon Jan 5 23:35:40 1998

How Butch! Just the perfect accessory to keep those stubbies of VB cold at the Satdiy Mornin womens touch footy match, or all day softball tournament. To feel even more galmourous why not paint the Chanel logo on the side, and flash it off to all those jealous Dykes as you are cycling in on your hot little Kawasaki 200CC ? Just remember, always use linen napkins, not paper towels stolen from the tea room at work for those nasty spills.
Appearance is everything - Tue Jan 6 0:08:52 1998

Is it possible that the fabulous Kate Munroe changed William's views about women when they met up in his precious shift? Perhaps all he needs is to chat over a coffee to get him to see the "other side". And no I am not volunteering to do it ............
I love Kate - Tue Jan 6 0:53:16 1998

There are two messages here that are stereotyping lesbians. You gay men would object if the lesbians did it to you, so don't do it to them.
Panther - Tue Jan 6 8:50:24 1998

I'm off to see David Morales from New York this Friday night. He is a master at what he does - truly creative, entertaining and gifted. He is an artist. David Morales is a DJ !!!!
STC and Belvoir St Theatre Subscriber - Tue Jan 6 9:11:29 1998

It seems that maybe we are all becoming a little too cynical. I admire people who are good at what ever they do and if they get recognition as well then that's great. Some may become role models and even icons. Whether they are politicians, community leaders, community volunteers, professionals, tradespeople, artists, researchers, news readers and dare I say DJs - it really does not matter. I'm happy to cheer a good DJ at the end of a fabulous bracket and not feel stupid !!!! The likes of Lexie, Gemma and Kate get my recognition and admiration.
I do not spend my life in dance clubs - Tue Jan 6 9:37:42 1998

artist and dj in the same sentence,LOL. You may go to the STC and Belvoir St but if your mentality is at DJ admiration level, are you sure you understand what you see at the theatre or is it just to give youself more 'cred'.( you tried it with me and it failed darling) You also give yourself away by having to state that he is from NY, well if he is american he must be fabulous darling!Wearing your Nike baseball cap are you?
Aunty Merle says - Tue Jan 6 10:27:09 1998

'I do not......' yes it does matter what they do, a politician, an author an artist and even a good trades man (read person)do actually create something and have a talent, a DJ puts someelses work on a turn table for gods sake. Ever heard a good musician, actor or singer live, there is a huge difference. Using the same logic we should all stand and clap the projectionist when going to the movies, ignore the talent on screen but praise the one who opens the curtains and dims the lights.
Aunty Merle says - Tue Jan 6 10:34:41 1998

Aunty Merle, I'm actually a theatre critic for a large circulation daily newspaper (honest truth). I hope you have a fabulous Friday night; however you choose to spend it. I'm looking forward to mine. Best wishes for 1998.
STC etc - Tue Jan 6 11:14:07 1998

Yes and I'm whoopi Goldberg! next!!!!
Aunty Whoopi(oops i mean Merle) - Tue Jan 6 12:38:01 1998

How quick some of us are to judge. In the case of David Morales, I have no hesitation in using the word artist. Having risen through the ranks in New York's nightclub scene, he is in fact a well respected producer of music. His creative skills were acknowledged in his nomination at the American Music Awards for his production of the Mariah Carey song 'Fantasy'. Also as an out gay man from a racial minority, I also admire him. Like STC, I'll be there Friday night to appreciate the artist.
Semantics - Tue Jan 6 13:27:13 1998

well if he is a producer i can at last agree, sorry but he was described as a dj, sorry no talent required to 'spin a disc', but yes i appreciate the talents of producers. so point taken will you also be worshipping at the temple of "coca cola, mcdonalds and nike" too.
Tue Jan 6 13:49:50 1998

oh and yes you will be appreciating the artist, he must be playing all his own music or be actually producing music on friday night. that would be the only way you could appreciate him live. Otherwise he is just playing records
Aunty Merle - Tue Jan 6 13:52:37 1998

Oh Goody, another topic to bitch about, Dj's versus real musicians, I love it ! Boys please leave the snipes about lesbians and eskies/softball out, you have made your point. Let's get into some serious critique here about what ART really is and whether the G&L community are getting it !!!No their not! We are not getting cutting edge G&L music created here in Australia, by Australians..we are getting overpaid DJ's dictating to us whta miusic they think is "hip and "cool". Ever wonder why we dont have a Boy George or Mellissa Etheridge here? It's because Mardi Gras imports all it's acts, and DJ's don't even play local dance tracks. It's a vicious circle, no airplay, no sales, no artists. Makes sense. You don't here American saying "Oh what Aussie act can we bring over for LA Pride". We are suffering the cultural cringe badly. Kate Munroe may be a lovely person, and very rich by the amount of work she gets, but she is not "creating" anything. It's like warming up leftovers someone else cooked. Maybe if the DJ's actually played Aussie stuff it wouldn't be so bad, but dance music in general has killed the live scene. If we want to have a progressive culture, and G&L's always pride themsleves with being cutting edge, we have to start supporting local live original acts. It is the only way that they can get the exposure and experience to become the next George or Mellissa. The average musician makes very little for performing, hardly even covers costs, where DJ's can rake in huge amounts for standing there programming a CD player. Most of them have no audio experience, so what gives them the background to know what is good music ? Most wouldn't know one end of a guitar/bass/drumkit from the other end? How do they know if a track is well contructed, or arranged ? Real musicians have to study and slog for years to learn their craft, with little compensation, it's not as easy as it looks, and harder to get recognition and airtime, even if you are brilliant. Typical of this are so called G&L radio stations. We hear the same old DJ's on them as we hear at the clubs, all free play is monotonous dance music, and they are all 23 years old and have little perspective or knowledge of music history. Until venues start providing facilities for live music, and not just crappy DJ turntables, we will have to fall back on our overseas G&L music crusaders to carve a path for original queer music.
Live Pink Noise - Tue Jan 6 14:58:40 1998

Is STC Stephen Dunne ? He is the only gay theatre critic for a large circulation daily newspaper I know of. But then again Stephen would have ripped you up Aunty, with no mercy......
Bita Rosebutt - Tue Jan 6 15:09:02 1998

Appearance is everthing has a point...God arn't those sporty lessies ugly oooohhh, almost as bad as the Barbara Streisand Gay boys fan club. Stop categorizing lesbians into one small group. Sure there are lesbians who like sport and VB, so what ! Do they make you little world insecure ? Everyone has their individual thing, that makes them happy, appearance. Methinks you are trying to stir up the William venim, and start another gender war. You can't win, there are some pretty "crook looking" poofs as well, so let's not get started on it. Everyone is free to do what makes them happy, I'd rather hang with a happy person drinking VB and playing softball, than with a self conscious, opininated, insecure unhappy person obsessed with their appearance. Looks fade hon.
Give us a VB, slurp! - Tue Jan 6 15:17:09 1998

Live Pink Noise, you should talk to Dawn O'D and Bev Lange - all the problems are caused by lesbians in positions of power....
i just couldn't resist it given the whole tone of bitchin 5 & 6. - Tue Jan 6 15:28:17 1998

Dear I couldn't resist.......yeah you're right it is all their fault. Boring....just comment, be constructive, but give the stirring the bum's rush.
Live Pink Noise - Tue Jan 6 15:40:04 1998

An observation re the ticketing policies at dance parties. In June, Hand in Hand will be coming up. It is a party organised by ACON as a fundraiser for ACON. ACON is not a gay & lesbian organisation (AIDS is not just a gay issue etc etc). As a result I do not think it appropriate to consider Hand in Hand a gay & lesbian event and thereby adopt some restrictive ticketing policy. On the other hand, there may still be some sort of marketing solution. After all it is still one of the big 4 (along with Pride, Mardi Gras and Sleaze).
Food for thought - Tue Jan 6 16:48:20 1998

All problems are caused by anyone, female or male in power.
David - Tue Jan 6 16:49:50 1998

Dear Food 4..why not only sell tickets to HIV + people and no-one else ? No why not make it Free to HIV +, and charge everyone else double.
Wot a plus - Tue Jan 6 16:54:41 1998

Normally I am a nice person (a coalitionist at heart) - but something comes over me when I enter Bitchin 6. I just want to say nasty things about lesbians. Generally I resist the temptation, but every now and then ..... I have thought about blaming it on the 2 lesbians pointing in the wallpaper.
Therapy needed - Tue Jan 6 16:55:14 1998

Dance parties are for people with no friends to invite over to dinner.
Yum Yum - Tue Jan 6 17:01:46 1998

"Appearance is everything", Darling, I can let you know that Chanel stocks their very own picnic baskets wih removable esky, and super chilled amyl pocket. Looks fabulous in the back of my (rented) battered up old ute, the ultimate "straight magnet". Honey, drive one of these beasts, and the guys will be crawling all over you, indeed you will score more trade than the number of whiskers on Dawn's chin ! Just dont give it away Honey, hide the Vodka, chilled soup, and lobster tails.
William - Tue Jan 6 17:03:15 1998

I realize this 'wall' is primarily concerned with local issues,but I had to break-in to say "hi!".
bonzo...tampa,fla.u.s.a. - Tue Jan 6 17:03:57 1998

Therapy needed, It's just your inbred hatred of women that all men have in their genetic makeup. If you can't fight it, don't enter "6", seems to confirm us women's worse fears, that men do, generally are fearfull of women, and this turns to hate when they are pointed at. I think the girls on the backround are pointing a gun personally.
Bang Bang Goodbye - Tue Jan 6 17:06:36 1998

Dawn has 3 hairs on her chin only.
Dawn's Pet Beautician - Tue Jan 6 17:08:55 1998

Bang bang. I can see NO hatred of women on "6", at least things have cooled down from "5". All I can say is that if you do not like the comments, then find somewhere else. People have rights and if they dont like the goddam wallpaper then they can say this. Perhaps you over sensitive girls could start you own Pinkboard, ( you could call it Muffboard), and do not worry the boys will have too much class to even bother checking it out. What exactly is your problem???? Learn to let things take their course, join in or laugh it off, mix in or get the hell out!
Therapy needed - Tue Jan 6 17:20:15 1998

'live pink noise' i love you, i agree with everything you say, i've been searching for someone with a brain for so long (well darling i only have the poofs in this town to choose from). They just want soooo much to believe that they are groovy, clever and up-to-the-minute merely because of their sexual orientation and really most are just ordinary people with average intelligence. Real music, art and literature is dying and we can thank wankers that sell the "playing records is art and other innanities(bad spelling)" line for the demise.
aunty merle in love - Tue Jan 6 17:55:38 1998

We have a bit of an etiquette issue here. I made the original comment as 'Therapy needed' - aiming to take the micky out of us guys (The aim may not have been achieved). The second comment by 'Therapy needed' is by a different person. Can we have a ruling on the use of 'signed'. I don't want to suffer an identity crisis !!!!
Therapy needed No 1 - Tue Jan 6 18:15:20 1998

"Therapy Needed", you are suffering from a split personality. Both of the comments were made by you, If you do not like your original comments when you first post them, then dont post, again, and then again offering an explanation.
Therapy Needed No 1 & 2 - Tue Jan 6 18:25:18 1998

"Aunty Merle", dont they have some activities in the Nursing Home which you can indulge yourself in instead of boring us with your comments. I am surprised that you know what a DJ is ! Did they have nightclubs in your day ? Most people your age are making macrame pot pant holder and revolting cakes for their nursing home fetes, why cant you join them??
I hate oldies - Tue Jan 6 18:30:40 1998

I was going to go to David Morales also. But now I'm not. I'm going to take Merle's advice. I'm more of a Pepsi/Hungry Jacks/Reebok kinda guy - I won't fit in.
Your loving nephew - Tue Jan 6 18:35:51 1998

A certain sydney female DJ told me that she had indeed met a nice "chap" at the Shift on Sunday nights Free FM party. The certain person, who we all know and love, gave Kate his card. Kate accepted, and the card read William ********, B*****. Now William, pet, honey..........Is this true???? Your secret is out! Yes, we gals check and follow up our sources, DARL!!!
Busted "Sweetie" - Tue Jan 6 19:04:22 1998

Therapy Needed 2: Pinkboard is for gay men and lesbians. If you can't stand lesbians then it is you who should create your own Pinkboard.
Panther - Tue Jan 6 19:31:03 1998

it's not that I can't stand them Panther! It's just that I don't like them
therapy needed # 3 - Tue Jan 6 22:35:38 1998

interesting that you think i am old. I've never mentioned my age. if you don't like what i write, don't read it. Yes i do have a different point of view, thats democracy. Can't attack my point of view so lets try and make it personal by assuming things about me and attacking that. sad!! this is a bitchin wall so i bitch, what is it actually you don't like about old people, i think we can workshop that.
ol' aunty merle says - Tue Jan 6 22:37:04 1998

I hate that "old people smell", those buses from retirement villages that clutter the roads, their motor scooters, the chairs that recline and massage, their attitude that there is nothing else to do but move to the Gold Coast and fish and play the pokies at Jupiters, the way they proudly flash their concession cards in McDonalds to get a discount, or just "pop in" to get a cheap 30c cone instead of lashing out on a gelato and thus holding up the queue, the way they smile at little kids on buses, or make inane conversation in supermarkets because they are so lonely, the continuing presence of their sex drive, their "day trips" with 40 others to the beach, markets, the city, the way they always take a thermos with them on outings, their love of thongs and casual attire in beachside towns, the expression that "things are not what they used to be", whinging about the pension, politics and the young, their computer illiteracy, their fear of ATM machines, the way they thinktheir clothes from 30 years ago are still in fashion, pigging out at food halls and RSL clubs at lunchtime so they can save money by eating sao's and pal for dinner, their age spots, wrinkly skin, lisping from ill-fitting false teeth, their hip troubles, and whining about hospital waiting lists............................... Is that enough?
I hate Oldies - Tue Jan 6 23:14:10 1998

having just visited here for the first time, all I can say as a gay guy is that we, as gays and lesbians are the ones that have been persecuted over the years, and here we are with nothing better to do than attack each other. It saddens me that we are no better than those who attack us...
young and disillusioned - Tue Jan 6 23:25:19 1998

In regard to the above comment, this is, after all a bitchin wall. I am from New Zealand and have been checking out this site on a regular basis, love it, and just can't git enough of those bitchy comments. Dont let anyone attack you sweetheart, stick up for yourself, and perhaps next time you will have something interesting to say.!!!!
Kiwi Mick - Wed Jan 7 0:07:12 1998

My last post was not 'posted'. Is this because I said I understood 'some' of where William was coming from? I never ever stated that I 'agreed' with him though. Yet my last message hoping that this next Mardi Gras Party will be a true 100% Gay and Lesbian Party - never appeared! My pet hate is the fag hags and their little back packs who keep smashing them in my face. I was told at the last dance party by a straight guy and his girlfriend to "F, Off". Hey, who's party is it?
Gay Guy. - Wed Jan 7 0:50:39 1998

How many Mardi Gras committees does it take to change a light bulb?????
Wed Jan 7 8:53:52 1998

I once got vomitted over by a gay guy at a dance party. I think I would have preferred verbal abuse.
We are not all angels - Wed Jan 7 8:57:44 1998

To 'I hate oldies', I'm so glad you will be forever young. You are so vile that it is beneath me to retaliate. By the way I am not old, I'm educated and certainly not full of hate. Can someone tell me why people 'hate' so much and given the chance to air that hate anonymously off they go trying to offend everyone.
Aunty Merle says - Wed Jan 7 9:30:47 1998

A Positive Space at Hand in Hand - worth considering ???
Food for thought - Wed Jan 7 10:42:06 1998

Let's just assume that there was a change in fashion accessories for fag hags and shoulder packs were out. Would they then be welcome? Is the shoulder pack the real problem ???
Rikki Lake's sister - Wed Jan 7 10:55:04 1998

I have been following the straights at dance parties issue for sometime now - through the gay press, letters to editor, Mardi Gras policy statements, dinner party conversations etc etc. There now seems to be a new expression on the block, namely 'community straights'. What is a community straight? Describing someone as a friend of the gay & lesbian community, what does this mean? Are fag hags community straights? Are there community gays and lesbians as well?
Semantics - Wed Jan 7 11:06:53 1998

Busted Sweetie has in my view introduced an element to Bitchin which is unacceptable. If someone leaving a message wants to reveal something about their sex, sexuality, age, occupation, real name etc, that is their choice. It is not the right of anyone else to reveal (or threaten to reveal) any of these details. I think this principle should apply no matter how extreme someone's views may be and how upset other people may be in responding to the views. If William is a gay b*** in Sydney, then that is his business and noone else's on Bitchin. Please do not however interpret this message as condoning in any way William's views. Panther runs the show and I ask that he consider deleting Busted and this message. The choice is of course his.
Wed Jan 7 13:25:22 1998

Dear 'semantics', yes there is such a thing as a community straight. These are the friends and relations of people in the community who have given freely of their time during the aids crisis, i have been humbled by what some of these people have done for our community over the last 15 years or so, and sometimes for no reason other than out of human compassion, something that Bitchin lacks. These people have just as much right or even more right than some of us to blow off some steam and celebrate our lifestyle at our parties and festivals. These people are saints and are more than welcome. Even you probably would agree.
Aunty Merle Says - Wed Jan 7 19:08:13 1998

I'm with "i hate oldies", you are a twisted old fool, Aunt Merle, not to mention a chronic whinger. Don't they have any sedatives at your nursing home????????????
I Detest oldies - Wed Jan 7 19:33:30 1998

Aunty Merle has already stated she is 35 or 55 in gay years, 35 is not old, 80 is old. Keep it up Aunty M, the young can only get older, sure thing !!! Ask them in the year 2020 how they feel about being 40..ha ha..it will be a different story. We queers are like good wine and classic movies, that just keep getting better.
Live Pink Noise - Wed Jan 7 20:19:19 1998

Good work Busted sweetie ! Another fine example of lesbian intelligence, networking and ingenuity. Now to look up the Gay and Lesbian Business Assoc. Barrister list mmm..or maybe an ad in the star. Strange if true ? I thought lawyer were supposed to be intelligent and well versed. (Not) Let the lawyer jokes flow......
Judge Judy - Wed Jan 7 20:23:41 1998

If this is indeed true, it is appalling. Sure william said a few things that others did not appreciate, but this is no reason for a personal attack, especially when the person posting the information can remain anonymous. There are laws regarding libel, and in this case, a defamatory remark. This type of irresponsible behaviour not only reflects badly on the person who posts the information, but also people like you who cheer them on. I believe that Pinkboard should remove this remark immediately, including all the references to it. By the way Judge Judy, Barristers are not permitted to advertise their services, in accordance with the Barristers' Admission Rules, so I doubt you would have much luck in "really" searching him out. Do not credit this malicious attack on lesbian ingenuity, or the comments will start all over again, and we most certainly do not need this. It is instead a fine example of disrespect - your morals are in the gutter.
Take it from one who knows - Wed Jan 7 21:18:08 1998

To I hate oldies. Obviously you are not intending to get old. Or even grow up.
Felch Senior - Wed Jan 7 22:01:51 1998

aunty merle is resigning from bitchin, this forum gives an outlet to those with serious disturbances, nothing is ever discussed and if you have an opinion and state it , it gives these cronic sickos an excuse to launch a personal attack or at least try to. outlets like this merely feed some peoples baser instincts to hate and loath, it hurts to know that there are people out there who are so evil but gladdens me that i'm not one of them. So to the poisonous responses i get to this, my reply is "whatever".
seeya sickos - Thu Jan 8 11:42:08 1998

To one who knows...So what's so precious about a Barrister, they charge like wounded bulls, most are corrupt and few uphold justice. They are in it for the $$..is it more reasonable to expose a shop assistant or garbage collector ? William may be a Solicitor mightn't he, in which case they are easy to find. I would not want any of my friends going to him for legal advice, especially if they were lesbian, played sport, had facial hair or where over 25. So why expose anyone, let's keep all the assholes of the world under wraps...ssshhhh....I say expose the lot of them, better to know the face of the enemy. Franca Arena was right.
Judge Judy - Thu Jan 8 16:14:04 1998

Don't go Aunty Merle, we can talk about fun things like kittens and the way glitter sparkles on Xmas trees and the taste of the first "Gaytime" ice cream you ever ate, and rainbows after the rain, we can rename the board "Beautiful things 6", and you can only say really nice things on it. WOuldn't that be fun ?
Marie Osmond - Thu Jan 8 16:19:31 1998

Has anyone read "Take a walk on the wildside" by Paul De Koningin the Star Observer, 8 Jan page 10 ? Paul writes about meeting some "hot chicks" (presumably het chicks) at Sleaze who were as "filthy" as he was. He got "half hard" at the sight of these "hot people". He meets these "chicks" later when more sober and realises they are stille making his dick "hard", so while the boyfriend (hers) isn't looking he jumps her. What I found the most repulsive was his description of the sex.."She was so hot, the only reason I didn't piss on her was that the bitch wouldn't get off my couch....." Is this the sort of thing we want to read about in the Lesbian and Gay Press ? A gay man banging a "hot chick". He treats this "bitch" worse than any str8 man Iv'e ever encountered. He does say he "wasn't having sex with a woman, I was doing a really hot person". My God poor girl. Wh is this Paul De Koning and why is he writing this garbage in the Star Observer?
Disgusted - Thu Jan 8 16:33:47 1998

My new year wish has come true!! Aunt Merle and William have both left pikboard!! now for some sensible debate, as I am tired of the views of those twisted queens!!!!!!! Sayanora!!
Giiiiiiiirl Power - Thu Jan 8 18:52:35 1998

Aunty Merle Don,t go.....We will all talk butiful now. No bitchin, all butiful talk now. We will even spell properly. But then again this is a bitching line luv. If you can't stand the ehat then it's may be good that your out of the kitchen.
Newcastle Herald - the new regional Daily Tele..(with a deep sadness attached) - Thu Jan 8 21:29:19 1998

Giiiiirl Power, I agree, so you pick the topic.....?
Ready and willing - Fri Jan 9 6:23:51 1998

Looks like queervision are going to come out with a great sight Due in Febuary.
Camp Vista - Fri Jan 9 18:14:56 1998

Pinkboard is passe..............
Bye Bye - Fri Jan 9 23:18:12 1998

I'm taking my drugs to Mardi Gras this year in a vacuum flask.
Not to outdone by the Chinese - Sun Jan 11 9:34:56 1998

Well, Dear, I am hiding mine up my snatch.
safe and moist - Sun Jan 11 11:31:59 1998

Well, Dear, I am hiding mine up my snatch.
safe place - Sun Jan 11 11:32:29 1998

I hope the music at Mardi Gras is better than Pride. It got a bit too slow and down, half way through and didn't pick up again until the last 30mins and the drugs were already wasted. The crowd didn't roar or get excited like it usually does because it was crap. What did you think of the chairs at the sides of the Horden? I would have preferred a chill out area like hand in hand. By the way who's a member of my club?
*Stargirl* - Wed Jan 14 21:46:34 1998

Judging by the lack of comments, people either hate the wallpaper or are just over the remarks. Which is it?? This board was fun for a while, and i couldnt wait to log on..... Now it is just boring.
the way we were - Fri Jan 16 21:48:25 1998

That is because Willy is no longer around. Hibernated probably........
Where are you Darl, Pet, Honey??? - Sat Jan 17 11:38:40 1998

His nose got out of joint after sucking up to certain DJs so he stuck his head up his arse and disappeared into the bit bucket.
Felcher Spice - Sat Jan 17 12:32:36 1998

Duckies, Willemina Lives !!
Big W - Sat Jan 17 13:38:59 1998

Willemina is Williams good twin, they were separated at birth, and given different environments. William's father beat him up, so he turned his rage against everyone. Willemina, on the other hand was brought up in a lovely village in Wales, with two loveving parents who had a bakery in a small town. Everyday she would pick the violets by the side of the road, on her way to the stables, where she would saddle up her big black horse and ride over the lush green hills. What a thrill.
Mother William - Sat Jan 17 13:44:40 1998

arrr I just don't no what to say,read all that has been said.So hope you all can live together on this board.stay happy.
lounge lizard. - Sun Jan 18 0:40:22 1998

William's father was a turkey baster, so how could he bash him up?
Shrimper Spice - Sun Jan 18 12:10:51 1998

All quiet on the Western Front
Let the games begin - Mon Jan 19 10:09:11 1998

Turkey baster! that wil keep the lezzies happy wont it ?
Hairy Lezzie Spice - Mon Jan 19 18:05:17 1998

Surprising that although William has not been around for ages that people are still referring to him, I bet that he is taking a peek at pinkboard, and still getting off on it. If you are out there dude please let us know, as i for one miss you champ. Someone should post something other than the tame stuff of late to really get things moving again. But pleaase not gals in the shift again!
Shrimper Spice - Mon Jan 19 22:57:06 1998

Well it's more overseas DJs for Mardi Gras. Warren Gluck from New York again. Ex pat Brent Nicholls as well. Local DJs, you must not be good enough. Just keep practising.....
why an s in sglmg - Tue Jan 20 11:34:53 1998

Rob Patmore (ex Mardi Gras prez) is now living in Poland. The lengths some people go to to escape Bev !!!!!
Where are they now - Tue Jan 20 11:38:48 1998

Let's keep Bitchin' a Spice free zone. And for that matter, I hope Mardi Gras parade is a Spice free zone as well.
Ginger - Tue Jan 20 11:54:34 1998

This site is for deviates. Die in hell.
Tue Jan 20 13:15:12 1998

Ok, darl, can you show me the direction? Is it left or right from Taylor Square?
the spice gals are the only spice with "no taste". - Tue Jan 20 13:44:43 1998

Rumour has it that Dawn O'Donnell did a fanny fart to blow out the candles on her 70th birthday cake. Perhaps the cake would have screamed if it saw her ugly old face.
Gassy Spice - Tue Jan 20 13:48:47 1998

So women can do both fanny farts and bum farts.
Live and learn - Tue Jan 20 16:21:54 1998

Yeah, Live and learn, most higher species have 3 orifices, and can indeed, fart through two. Bravo for those with 3 orifices.
We win again - Wed Jan 21 21:32:09 1998

Must be a strong ol' pussy to blow out 70 candles!! And I thought she was just a pretty face...... This will be a fab party trick to keep the oldies entertained when she enters the nursing home later in the week. Perhaps we might even see her on one of those bus trips, or flashing the pensioner concession for a Mcvalue meal. Just remember Dawnie, take your false teeth out before gutsing down that Big Mac, Honey.
I refuse to give my name - Wed Jan 21 22:43:08 1998

The Cleo edition is out for the 50 Most Eligible Bachelors. How about Campaign or Outrage doing the 50 Most Eligible Gay Bachelors?
New Idea - Thu Jan 22 14:54:25 1998

It's meant to be kd lang for the big MG. I wonder if that will get all the lessos out of the lesso only space and into the RHI.
RHI lesso - Thu Jan 22 16:11:30 1998

Why would they even bother to leave their safe haven, seeing they kicked up so much shit to get it. Besides, can anyone dance to KD?
MG is soooo common these days..... - Thu Jan 22 19:36:08 1998

The 50 most eiligible batchelors are to be found on their knees every saturday night at the den
glory hole spice - Thu Jan 22 20:21:26 1998

The Pride debacle with its major financial crisis is just another example of the disasters caused by putting lesbians in positions of fiscal responsibility. Do you believe that Bronte Morris is actually negotiating a retrenchment package ????
Keep Pride's Doors Open - Fri Jan 23 8:08:17 1998

Keep Pride's Doors Open: Pride's "financial crisis" is caused by taking risks. They took a risk with their door policy for the party and it paid off, except with the money. They took a risk with Stonewall Ball. They would not have taken these risks without the approval of the gender parity board.

Both the gay male community and the general Australian community seem to be going through a severe bout of discrimination. We are supposed to be a tolerant and egalitarian society. Comments like this show the depths to which the community has sunk.

We must all learn to live together.
Panther - Fri Jan 23 8:55:12 1998

I can see it now - a lesbian stampede in the RHI
Help I'm a small gay boy - Fri Jan 23 9:11:02 1998

I too read the SSO article on the Pride 'mess'. Clearly a whole lot more is yet to be disclosed about the overall position. Based on the article and by my calculations, if there were just 1500 more punters at the party then the event would have met budget expectations and been a financial success. So close yet so far. I think I would have preferred there to have been an extra 1500 straights at the party. The price you pay for the 'perfect' gay & lesbian party I suppose???
10 Points for taking risks - so sad the outcome - Fri Jan 23 9:21:55 1998

We may all have to live together, but this does not mean we all have to cop the shit for other peoples stuff ups. OK, Bronte Morris' management skills leave much to be desired, and just because someone wants to bithch about this does not mean that they are having a go at all women. The situation would not be different if she was a man. The major problems for these managerial dykes is that they do not understand what the men want!!!! As a result of them weedling their way onto boards, they lose the respect and support of the men as they are unable and unwilling to respond to their needs. This was bad enough at the lesbian space where the catfights virtually closed the place down, indeed it was so bad that an aggrieved trannie hurled a petrol bomb throgh the window for gods sake!!!! Why couldnt these dykes have concentrated on clearing up that problem before becoming involved in the Pride centre??? At the performance postive plays recently, a number of dykes, when asked by the compere after the show, "what would you like to see in future performances?', actually said um, well, more women!!! Can you believe this?? It was supposed to be a night of positive theatre, and all they seemed to want was an equality of the sexes on the stage. How appalling. The issue was a much larger one, that is the theatrical response to the virus, not an opportunity to voice their concerns yet again at their perceived equality of representation. Why do these women wish to become incolved, and snatch the "top dog" position when the support of the majority of the men, ( and I am not talking the men on the board) are just not behind them. Have you seen Pride organise any events over the last 6 months at the centre for the benefit of the community??? NO!!! they are all too busy sipping their cocktails in Gilligans. The purpose of Pride party is not to organise one dance party a year, leave the centre vacant for the past 6 months, and only be concerned with pushing their own political agendas. As I understand it, this is the only gay andlesbian community centre in the world, and due to the views of certain pushy lesbians and the obviously henpecked board we will probably end up losing it too. The is not a matter of discrimination as Panther may imagine, but rather one of the unsuitability of Bronte Morris. She accepted the appointment, and it is our right as members of the community, which is who the Pride centre is supposed to reresent, to voice our concerns. thank you.
Another one bites the dust due to an appalling management style - Fri Jan 23 9:26:23 1998

A bgf nye 1998 !!!!!
A better cause anyhow - Fri Jan 23 9:44:07 1998

Oh my God, I think it is going to bee World War 3 again on Bitchin'. In the left hand corner ......
The unholy alliance - Fri Jan 23 9:48:27 1998

What should Bronte Morris' girl friend got her for Xmas? Answer An abacus
Fri Jan 23 10:09:49 1998

Richard Cobden's New Year's wish might just come true - to see the demise of Pride.
That man is so clever - Fri Jan 23 11:32:52 1998

A number of years ago when Mardi Gras had some liquidity problems, Pride lent them $40000. Do you think Mardi Gras will reciprocate the generosity this time ????
Me thinks not - Fri Jan 23 13:05:07 1998

I've heard that Bronte Morris is going to offer her services on the dunking machine at Fair Day. It's part of the retrenchment package.
Slam dunk - Fri Jan 23 13:07:08 1998

I've applied for bronte's old job.
Coogee Brown - Fri Jan 23 14:43:55 1998

Another one: You are full of contradictions. First you say it would be no different if it was a man and then you blame it on her being a dyke. The purpose of Pride isn't to organise activities at the centre, but to make it available for others to use. This they have done. Also the article in the SSO doesn't say they need money, but rather their income from NYE wasn't as high as they hoped.

Now, if we all go to this years Pride NYE party, not necessarily because it is for Pride (though that is enough reason for some of us) but also because it was a great party and they have proved that they can still do it, then Pride will be back on track.
Panther - Fri Jan 23 18:59:29 1998

I said the situation would not be different if she was a man. Indeed this is true, the situation would not be that different. The president acts on the advice of the board and as she has the casting vote, any problems are her fault. I didnt say that they needed money, that was someone else. The problem as i see it is not that she is female, it is that she is aligned to the other dykes on the board, and that is where the problem is as she has the casting vote. so re-read my message. So the situation would not be different if she was a man, as the board has more dykes casting votes than men. Do your maths
Top Dog (aka Another One) - Fri Jan 23 21:37:36 1998

Isn't it good to know that Pride doesn't need money even when it appears that profit from NYE was some $80000 below budget and expectations? I was going to donate some money but now I'm not. Thanx for setting me straight (metaphorically speaking) Panther.
Creative accounting - Sun Jan 25 11:16:45 1998

I hear that the economic rationalists are going to take over Pride. They couldn't do a worse job than than the lesbian idealogues that were there.
Semantics - Sun Jan 25 11:22:05 1998

Creative Accounting: If you know anything of the history of Pride then you will understand. Maybe you should read up on the history of the gay and lesbian community before you continue criticising.
Panther - Sun Jan 25 11:38:59 1998

I've visited the Pride site and in their Talkzone section, the topic for this month is 'What is your hope for the future' ?? I kinda guess they will be asking themselves the same question...
A bit ironic - Sun Jan 25 12:26:31 1998

Maybe just maybe it could be true that Pride was mismanaged and that the Board was incompetent. I fear making such a comment on the grounds that I will be called a misogynist. On the other hand, Richard Cobden has made some telling comments about Pride in the past and he's not a misogynist.
That man is so clever - Sun Jan 25 12:40:53 1998

I have closed this graffiti wall because of the continual hatred expressed herein. These hatreds are not directed against specific persons who have wronged another, but are the worst kind of generalised hatred. Hating or fearing a group of people based on any characteristic is discrimination.

Being lesbians and gay men we have faced more than our fair share of discrimination. Discrimination hurts, as we all know. For gay men or lesbians to discriminate against others, after being shown how much discrimination hurts, is deliberate blindness.

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