Bitchin' 5 on Pinkboard
Background:
Glad to be Gay from the 1997 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade
Copyright (C) Pinkboard, 1997.
Racism, sexism, libel and other offensiveness is not welcome.
I'm going to start this wall off with a bitch of my own.
I hate the expression straight acting that appears in so many
Personals.
To me it denies the diversity of gay men and encourages people
to be closeted.
We are fighting to be accepted as ourselves whatever our sexuality.
Straight acting people want to be straight so badly
that they have to act as if they are.
The main thing wrong with this expression is that it reinforces the
horrible gay stereotypes.
All gay men are not limp wristed hair dressers!
Look at Ian Roberts for instance.
There are many gay men who enjoy football,
or a drink with the mates down the local,
or going to hear a band.
In using this expression a person is denying that there are
gay men who do these things.
How about saying "football loving" or "likes thrash" or even "masculine"
and acknowledging that gay men do all these things.
Lets have an end to this horrible expression.
Panther - Tue Nov 18 21:30:00 1997
what's thrash
tunnel - Thu Nov 20 0:33:27 1997
One of the latest types of headbanging music. There is usually a mosh pit at concerts.
Panther - Thu Nov 20 9:07:09 1997
thanks panther couldn't agree more whats so special about straight acting???
gay and proud - Fri Nov 21 9:16:21 1997
Panther, bitch you must, and bitch you do. Great point. When someone
calls themselves 'straight acting', how does that infer they behave in
bed. Can a 's.a.' man throw his legs to his ears? I know plenty of guys
who would say they are 's.a.', yet would be the biggest 'girls' in bed.
How dissillusioning would that be to someone when you thought you were
meeting a 'real man'. How many straight personals have lines like
'North Shore effeminate business man seeks.....'. Why do people bother.
Thanks for the bitch. Back to work. Now if you want something to bitch
about lets talk work...
Panthers Ex boyfriend. - Fri Nov 21 13:36:15 1997
The only good thing about the Jiembra parade in brisbane the nite
of the sleeze ball was the Angel who led the parade would you like to
make heaven with him.
David - Sat Nov 22 12:09:08 1997
Yes David I would like to bring the devil out in that angel too
Astro Boy - Sat Nov 22 12:13:03 1997
At the evening service tonight,the sermon topic will be''What is Hell'' Come and listen to our choir practice.
oow.so painful.. - Tue Nov 25 9:08:52 1997
Why are there no lesbians here ???
Betty - Tue Nov 25 23:31:47 1997
Why are there no lesbians here ???
Betty - Tue Nov 25 23:31:53 1997
I'm a lesbian...there are lesbian personals here...lotsa stuff...
Jinx - Thu Nov 27 7:58:21 1997
woohoo
the bum avenger - Thu Nov 27 15:34:55 1997
how ya goin girls
Fri Nov 28 1:48:34 1997
Mr johnson will be entering the hospital this week for testes..:)
no balls - Fri Nov 28 13:54:00 1997
Has anyone else been charged $7.00 for a bottle of water at Stonewall ? This is not on
Waterbaby - Fri Nov 28 17:43:29 1997
I hate guys saying things like " I thought he was a real man but he
threw his legs up in the air like a girl". Excuse me but getting f**ked
is an enjoyable part of gay sex and it's not girlie. It's probably the
butchest thing a guy can do. "To take it like a man." So in that regard
we gay men that like to get f**ked are the butchest men on Earth."
Chasen - Sun Nov 30 1:43:07 1997
To Chasen. So what is so bad about being called a girlie, huh ?
What's wrong with being likened to a girl ? I should think it is a
compliment! You should feel honoured that anthing you do is vaguely
likened to a "girl". It is not demeaning to be called girlie, we girls
rock, so there !
Girlie - Sun Nov 30 23:57:33 1997
Men hate any reference that infers that they are like women. How
many women have to put up with "she does it as good as a man" or "she's
good for a woman". Get over it Chasen, accept the girlie within, and
enjoy.
Just a Girl - Mon Dec 1 0:00:57 1997
To Girlie and Just a girl, why are you so defensive of your
sexuality, If I was a woman I would be proud to take it like a woman
but the fact is I am a man. I am proud to take it like a man thank you.
Why do you think it is the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. Gay woman want
to get mentioned twice! Nothing I do is vaguely like a woman and I am
not a woman hater either, We are different so rejoice in your
difference rather then try to be the same. My letter was not written
with hostility but boy the relpies sure were, so who are the insecure
ones among us?
Dont put me down as there is no intent in my letter to put anyone down.
Chasen. - Mon Dec 1 21:24:27 1997
Franca Arena was right. There is a difference between pedophiles
and homosexuals. Why are'nt our community leaders chasing peds instead
of supporting them.
parent - Tue Dec 2 21:36:44 1997
To Chasen: Admit it boy, you do have a bit of girl in you in fact
every amn has female hormone surging through his veins, just like every
girlie has male hormones. The sooner we unite under this common
biological fact, and stop trying to underline the differences the
better the world will be.
Proud girl/boy - Wed Dec 3 7:28:56 1997
To Chasen: How do know that "nothing you do is vaguely like a girl"
you eat, shit and breath, don't you ? humm..I think girls do this
Just a girl - Wed Dec 3 7:31:37 1997
To Panther: In reference to your "Straight acting" statement, I
understand and really do accept your rationale, but spare a thought for
guys out there trying to come to terms with their sexuality. Guys (Bi)
like me, are not involved in any scene (Gay or Straight) but mostly
live a straight lifestyle (is that a contradiction in terms???). Most
are married to women, but still enjoy fun with other guys. Is it wrong
to meet with another straight acting guy and both have fun? Why risk
exposure by fronting to a coffee shop only to find a really feminine
guy? I know there is many issues inside this statement and I don't want
to start a bunfight, but someguys like to remain closeted. Is this
wrong?
And another thing, appreciate your views on Little Johhny Howard and
his Wik decision - but heres something for all to think about....The
population of Australia is over 17 Million, the population of
Aborigines is around 350,000. Why should such a small minority group
dictate to the masses? This is not a racisit statement, just a fact.
Wake up people and face reality!!!!
Spaceghost - Thu Dec 4 22:37:35 1997
In reply to Spaceghost: Far be it from me to interpret Panther's
point, but I think what he was saying was that masculinity and
homosexuality are not mutually exclusive things. By using the term
"straight acting" it's like saying all gay men are "queeny" except for
me [me being the person who uses the term "straight acting"]. The term
implies that there is a difference between the way gay/bi men act and
the way straight men act. While we're at it, what about the term
"straight" itself? That implies gay/bi people are not straight (ie
"bent"). Personally I find that offensive. Why not, as Pather
suggested, use the term "masculine"? It effectively describes the type
of guy you want to meet, without making a value judgement about gay/bi
men in general. And as for the Aboriginal debate - where do I begin?
"Why should a minority group dictate to the masses?" Listen to
yourself! What the hell are "we"? If you expect tolerance and
understanding you have to be willing to give it to others as well. I
won't go into a socio-historical diatribe about what european
settlement did to Aboriginal society, but sufficed to say, "we" are
responsible for "their" situation now. People say "they should get off
their arses and make something of themselves" - but they don't
understand the position native Australian people are in. When you've
been told for your entire life by 'the system' that you're less than
everyone else, that you'll never make anything of yourself (and don't
fool yourself that's precisely what "we've" done), you never will make
anything of yourself. "We've" created a system of education, social
security, etc specifically designed to keep native Australian people
down. It's time "we" started to make up for what has happened. This
society requires radical restucturing if there is to be true equality.
History will judge us by how we treat minorities....
Gay/lesbian/bisexual/trangendered people should understand this fact
more than anyone, and it shocks and dismays me when gay [etc] people
make racist or sexist [etc] comments. "We" should know better!
Prozac (and no, I'm not on it!) - Fri Dec 5 5:39:39 1997
Prozac: Thanks for your comments on straight acting.
Spaceghost: Firstly when is a minority a minority? The term small
minority is meaningless. In fact "the majority" is not even
homogeneous, it is made up of lots of minorities. (Look at the factions
in parliament.) What right has any majority to dictate how any minority
should live. We have been telling the aboriginies how to live for 206
years. How do we know we are right and they are wrong? Can't we both be
right?
Secondly, the Wik High Court judgement is not about dictating,
but about sharing. The High Court said that native title and pastoral
leases can co-exist. All that empty land with only a few cows or sheep
can also be used by aboriginals doing their traditional things. These
uses of the land do not conflict and so they should be able to
co-exist. When activities have the potential to conflict (like building
a dam) then the parties negotiate. Howard is giving all that land (78%
of Australia?) to pastoral lease holders exclusively. Howard is denying
that aboriginals and farmers are able to share.
Panther - Fri Dec 5 9:09:01 1997
Prozac: Understand your explanation on the straight acting
statement. Totally agree with everything you say. I guess I was just
raising a point I felt had not been highlighted. In regards to the
Aboriginal debate, I really do not want to get into a bunfight since if
I disagree with you I will be labelled "racist". Agree with some of
your points but disagree with others. I am certainly not a believer of
the "system ruined me" scenario. Blaming the "system" is an easy
answer, let's look deeper. BTW - your last sentence is totally
incorrect, as I mentioned earlier - I was not making a racist
statement, just purely stating a demographical fact. I also, think
Pauline Hanson is an absolute nutcase and should not be in parliment.
Please don't even insinuate I have racist overtones, of my close
friendship group of ten people - only two come from an Anglo Saxon (for
want of a better word) background. How can that be racist??? I judge
people on what they are, not where they "came" from.
Spaceghost - Sat Dec 6 0:42:43 1997
Panther: Let's not get too carried away with the "minority" issue
(We'll leave the rhetoric to the politicians). I certainly understand
the workings of parliment, it may not be perfect - but it beats the
hell out of communism (trust me I know). As I mentioned before, I was
just making a statistical statement. I do agree with you in regards to
the sharing issue - it should be that way since we all are
"Australian". However, this debate does not even come close the
sharing, both views are too one sided for my liking. If pastoral leases
or mining contracts etc etc are threatened due to a 206 year old issue,
does All of Australia benefit? No, of course not. Any negative impacts
to our already fragile economy hurts all Australians, including
Aborigines. We need to find a solution that benefits all Australians.
And not a spiritual solution, but an economic solution. I bet I am now
perceived to be to be a Hansonite. BTW -Keep up the good work Panther.
It's good to have a site full of intelligent open minded people to
share views with.
Spaceghost - Sat Dec 6 1:04:25 1997
my my.... we've gone from Bitchy Butch Boys... down to Political Poofs on Pedestals...
Nice one guys. :-)
The Vague Northshore Politically Correct Femm Business man - Sat Dec 6 2:19:09 1997
This isn't the right place to post (but neither is
the coming out board). I'm visiting sydney in a couple of
weeks - looking for reasonable, semi-cheap accommodation
Central city or near Oxford St/Kings Cross? Have called
a couple of places like Koala Hotel but they're all $120+/night.
So, prefer below $100.. (tried the Central YHA at the railway
station but they had no dbl or twin rms left). thanks :-)
patrick@info.net.nz - Sat Dec 6 10:44:50 1997
I am writing with regard to the lesbian takeover of our bars,
nightclubs and newspapers. As if the heterosexualisation of Oxford St
is not bad enough, when one enters the confines of the Shift, one is
confronted by a barrage of Boobs. I take offence that certain lesbians
seem to feel that it is their right to party in our spaces and flaunt
themselves on the dancefloor. The shift is probably the only nightclub
left that catered to men only, and this too is about to change. Why
cant these women find their own spaces? They had their own space at
Sirens in Newtown, however this closed down so they have decided to
take over the Shift. They should respect our spaces and not feel that
is their right to party in our clubs just becaause they too have sex
with persons of the same gender, and this is all they have in common
with us. I am not even going to mention the butch gals hogging the
downstairs pool tables.
My second complaint is the level of exposure lesbians are receiving in
the Observer an Capital Q!! I am also tired of opening up these papers
to be confronted with pages of images of Dykes out on the town. Where
are the pics in the "social pages" of the guys?? And why on two
occasions have there only been pics of the girls and not one man to be
seen??
The columnists chattering on about girl things are really the last
straw and the constant reference to their dogs is also unwelcome. They
have their own newspaper, why cant they stick their opinions there, and
does anyone really care??
There may have been a coalition between the guys and girls a few years
ago with their inclusion in the Mardi Gras, however we did not ask for
a takeover................ I am interested in the views of others....
William - Sat Dec 6 11:35:49 1997
Dear William - What's wrong pet ? Girls cant even get into the
Shift on most nights, and the stupid male doorman even lies to cover up
his misogynist views. You can just F**K off, who takes care of all the
f**king gay guys when they are dying of aids ?Who has has raised money
to help the aids sufferers. The press is dominated by aids issues..I'm
sorry but aids in the lesbian community is probably the lowest of any
group, and we can't have a little dance in 'your' club, how precious
you must be - just remember where you came from, and who gave you
birth, the first thing you saw was a vagina - sucker F off!
idiot hater - Sat Dec 6 16:55:51 1997
William, what is this us and them theme. Men have dominated the
world and marginalised women for millions of years to cover up for
their weakness (which you are showing in full gory details) Go to a
sauna mate if you only want men around you, in fact why don't you go to
Iran, women aren't allowed anywhere there, it may suit you better. I
agree with "idiot hater", if it wasn't for the lesbians in there
helping with all the aids charities, you boy's wouldn't stand a chance
alone. Hey we stood by you since the civil rights times in the 60's,
and all through the following decades, maybe we should have put our
energies somewhere that would benefit us, like IVF, so we wouldn't have
to have pathetic males children like you.
death to men - Sat Dec 6 17:02:21 1997
Dear death to men, all males are not bad, maybe just death to all jerk offs like William.
A mother - Sat Dec 6 17:06:29 1997
I am writing to complain about the takeover of the world by the
"Williams". They are real jerks, and always get their pictures in the
paper. I just can't stand having "Williams" around me, they have their
own planet, why don't they just live on it and leave us "Kathies"
alone. I mean Oxford Street has been a known "Kathie" area for years,
but since the "Williams" took over, well it's just been a barrage of
willies...wee wee wee Willy wake up !!!!!!
A Kathie - Sat Dec 6 17:10:47 1997
William: Your views read as classic misogyny (hatred of women). Our
community doesn't have room for hate. We are hated enough by the
politicians and others. How about a little tolerance and love. You
might even find out some of those women are really nice people.
I agree with you a tiny bit about the "community" papers. They
should have lots more coverage and photos of the community and our
happenings.
Panther - Sat Dec 6 19:05:46 1997
Have you ever noticed that even the most average-to-ugly gay
men genuinely call themselves 'good looking' and believe it themselves!
I've met a few gay guys from the internet and they've all described
themselves as good looking but I felt like puking when I saw them. To
be honest the gay ones that call themselves good looking would be
'average' to me on the str8 scale and the ones who are actually gay and
good looking consider themselves gorgeous! What is going on? Are gay
people blind, or just oblivious to the rest of the people around them?
Sure, looks don't matter for a friendship and never did, but when each
wants a relationship and acts all hurt when you don't want one with
them then a there's a problem.
So guys... before you call yourselves good looking (I'm sure we'd all
like to be) why not ask a few other people than your mother, grandma,
best friends, etc?
The truth hurts - Sat Dec 6 20:07:41 1997
Truth Hurts - its a personal perception issue I think. I am by no
means good looking, but I'm no troll either. The Personals are trying
to do away with the bar hunting, etc. You are more likely to get a
response to an ad if you are "good looking". Ever seen an ad go out:
"Gay man, ugly as a hat full of assholes, seeks good looking, *cringe*
str8 acting guy....."
Nope, neither have I.
Colin - Sat Dec 6 21:32:48 1997
Truth Hurts - its a personal perception issue I think. I am by no
means good looking, but I'm no troll either. The Personals are trying
to do away with the bar hunting, etc. You are more likely to get a
response to an ad if you are "good looking". Ever seen an ad go out:
"Gay man, ugly as a hat full of assholes, seeks good looking, *cringe*
str8 acting guy....."
Nope, neither have I.
Colin - Sat Dec 6 21:37:28 1997
Re: Spaceghost. I can understand his first statement about people
wanting to stay closeted. This is very true when it comes to small
country towns. Unlike Large Cities, people like myself haven't got the
luxury of anonimity (everyone seems to know what the other person has
done and who he or she has done). With the term 'straight acting' I
find it more in the fact that a male or female friend won't come
screaming up the street, waving their arms around frantically (an over
exageration I know). My point is that most people when they are meeting
up with someone whether they know them or not, has to be descrete and
act in a way that will not cause any reprcusions on either party (there
are a quite a few smaller towns that are very narrow minded to the
point of being medieval).
countryman - Sun Dec 7 23:49:38 1997
Countryman: I know and understand that there are many situations where
it is inappropriate to declare your sexuality to everyone. I am not
objecting to this, I am objecting to the term straight acting. In this
case the term "discreet" is much more appropriate and doesn't reinforce
the stereotype that all gay men "scream up the street waving their arms
frantically".
Panther - Mon Dec 8 8:45:30 1997
"Les Miserables" would have to be the weakest musical I have ever
seen. And to think so many queens love this trash. Give me Sondheim /
Gershwin any day :)
Horny Hornet !!! - Mon Dec 8 23:28:36 1997
In reply to "idiot hater", yes, Dear, it is true that the first
thing I saw when I was born was a vagina. I praise the Lord that i have
not had the misfortune of seeing another one. In reply to "death to
men", how sad for you to slag off all men just because I expressed my
views concerning women in the shift. Unfortunately this attitude of men
hating in the lesbian "community" is all to prevalent, and my advice to
you Dear is to relax and depoliticise your views.
The doormen at the Shift have been turning women away on Saturday
nights to keep the male ambience, and also in response to a barrage of
complaints regarding their attitude and vulgar behaviour on the
dancefloor. May I just add that whistles on the dance floor, went out
in the late 70's, so I am told.
With regard to your comments concerning Aids, I acknowledge the
fantastic work of certain lesbians in this regard, but would add that
it not an issue high on the agenda of most Dykes, who are usually only
concerned with how scungy and mannish their king gees and singlets are
looking. For those lesbians (and I know there are many) who have
assisted in the aids tragedy, I am grateful. But to bring this issue
into the dancefloor arena is inappropriate! They are not connected.
There are many places where gays and lesbians mix freely, and this is
an expected occurance in these venues such as:
Spicy Friday at The lansdown hotel, the imperial (though the front bar
is very Dykey) downstairs is mixed and ok though.
They are the only places i actually frequent as I have a life outside
the scene. It is just that when I do chhose to dance at the shift, my
right to do so is respected and the hot atmosphere of all men together,
dancing and feeling the beat, should remain.
William - Tue Dec 9 17:39:30 1997
Oh wee wee little William. Such seperatist views. Such mysoganist
views. It's people like you that make me feel ashamed to be a gay man.
Bodyline and other sex of venue places are for men only and most of the
venues get mainly men in. Open your silly eyes willy, it's the nineties
and we can't fight the homophobic world divided.
Coalitionist - Wed Dec 10 0:46:47 1997
OK my only bitch is that I can't find an Australian Lesbian chat line.
If any one knows of any pllllleeeeeaaseeee let me know. I will come
back and check page for any details.
Tiffany - Wed Dec 10 1:13:03 1997
Dear coalitionist: I am talking about nightclubs, not saunas or
other sex on premises places, I am interested in dancing and enjoying
myself. Not lingering around some dark and dingy backroom and getting
off with anything that minces by, or lounging around in a jaccuzi full
of bacteria and pee. You Dear, may be ashamed at my views, and I am
equally appalled at your idea of "a good night out'
William - Wed Dec 10 11:11:49 1997
hi Tiffany.try if you can,find Yahoo on the net.and put in Lesbian chat.hopefuly that will get you there..good luck..
The Bat.. - Wed Dec 10 11:55:04 1997
Its me again..also try,the sidewalk.cam.au hope that might help to.....
The bat. - Wed Dec 10 11:58:00 1997
We wee William, not all lesbians are mannish, and not all poofs are
mincing queens, so why do you have to slag us off like that ? I don't
want to go to the shift anyway, it stinks of men like you. Thank god
you've never seen another vagina since birth, you probably couldn't get
a woman anyway. We are selective you know, even the str8 ones. I think
something went wrong with you and your mother along the way, or you've
got a really shitty job and hate the world. Lighten up, and I hope I
don't meet you anywhere ever turdface
I'm with coalition - Wed Dec 10 13:10:30 1997
I am running training sessions on how to answer the questions when
trying to get a ticket to Pride. The course is for 4 hours and only
costs $59 (less than the cost of the ticket). A 50% rebate applies if
you end up not getting a ticket. Registration takes place at the second
cubicle on the left at the Den every Saturday night between 2 and 3am.
I have also approached Mardi Gras to outsource their orienattion day.
Entrepreneurial queen - Wed Dec 10 15:45:50 1997
Entrepreneurial Queen can you suck and teach at the same time? Is it
possible for you to teach me how to be gay so my girlfriend and I can
go to all the gay parties? does this cost extra? I think $59 is quite
cheap to get me in to one of your dance parties, we always have so much
fun with all the other straights there and trying to crack onto those
hot looking lezzos is heaps of fun, they know thet wannit!! I have seen
the entrance to the den on a number of occasions and me straight mates
always bribe me to go up there, is there a disco??How much are the
drinks?? what about the light show and podium dancers?are they as good
as at DCM's. Thanks for the offer man. i will try and make it this
satdiy night
Dave from Punchbowl - Wed Dec 10 23:20:57 1997
I will pay someone to tell me how to get a response to email from
Mardi Gras. Or a response in any form. They are so slack there, maybe
i'm not screwing the right people, is that what it's all about ?
Not a Mardi Gras fan - Thu Dec 11 11:17:11 1997
Tiffany - just find a gay male one and take it over like everything else !!!!
Bitter and twisted - Thu Dec 11 12:27:56 1997
Is William now posing as "bitter and twisted" ?
idiot hater - Fri Dec 12 12:51:43 1997
I heard a rumour that Bob Carr is gay, and his wife is a lesbian?
Gossip - Fri Dec 12 12:52:46 1997
Wee Wittle William, You sound outnumbered by real people. Poor pet.
Coalitionist - Sat Dec 13 1:14:21 1997
Coalitionist, a few responses from vicious, crass and opinionated
lesbians, or a scraggy old steam queen like you does not mean that I am
outnumbered, Dear. I will be at the Shift tonight, at a men only space,
which will remain that way, if people like me ventilate their concerns
at things they feel are wrong. In addition to this, ever tried getting
into the Stonewall on a Thursday night????? Talk about Dyke-O-Rama, gay
men are not even allowed upstairs! They are, however, permitted
downstairs, in the presence of their "lesbian friends"........ no
thanks!!!........I can do without that attitude. Where is the justice,
equality, or sense of equality here???
William - Sat Dec 13 15:07:52 1997
William, Do you know of a venue on the same callabra of the Shift
that is actually open to lesbians on a friday and saturday night???
There isn't one! The only *Lesbian* venue we have left is spicy fridays
which you my dear have the hide to call 'mixed'. If most lesbians had a
choice we'd have our own venue. I believe Sirens closed down because of
politocal crap with the gay owners. The shift has now tried to cater to
the lesbian community by having a girls night once a month on a
thursday, this is really pathetic. I'm young and certainly like to go
out more than once a month, work on friday is hell after the shift so
mostly my friends and I can't go. It's separtist, paranoid men like you
that push us out of clubs. Also, I do not own king gees or a singlet, I
happen to be a very feminine woman and if I don't get knocked back at
the shift for being a woman I am knocked back because I don't look gay.
It sure sounds like that doorman has a few too many of your views,
maybe if you didn't you'd actually meet some wonderful lesbians who
weren't within your stupid stereotypes. I haven't even been able to use
my free passes to the shift because that doorman said I didn't look
gay. What is the point in giving someone free passes if you then decide
they don't look like family??
Frustrated Partyer - Sat Dec 13 16:43:41 1997
I am really sick of scrolling through these marching boys -can we
have some new wallpaper please!! (PS The Sydney Gay & Lesbian Mardi
Gras - I tried the acronym, but the server told me I was shouting)
don't seem to respond to mail or faxes either)
Pleeease - Sat Dec 13 16:58:24 1997
William, You criticise Stonewall on Thursday night but you yourself
winge when women are allowed in your space (the precious shift). Get a
grip you can't have it all one way. If you want to go to Stonewall on
thursday then I suggest you accept the girls in the shift on the
weekend. At least stonewall lets you in somewhere the shift doesn't let
us in at all now because you and your friends complained. Which way do
you want it either separtist or mixed?? If you want separtist then we
won't share. Why should we???? You are a very selfish and self
righteous human being and I think it is about time you looked around
and stopped making your minority smaller by cutting more people out. We
need to fight for equality as one. What is fighting for equality if
your only fighting for one minority??? I believe that is a
contradiction in terms. You are not fighting for equality, you are
fighting for your own way!! Well, you won't win that way kiddo so wake
up to yourself.
Becca - Sat Dec 13 16:59:24 1997
Would you like fries with that????
Sat Dec 13 19:34:18 1997
Who is the older 40ish guy who wears the trashy Lycra shorts and
shirt, dances on the pool tables at the Wickham. Don't you know that
ain't a good look? And as for your comments that I'm not your equal
because you have 'Traditional Italian values', puleeeeeeeease,
Sweetheart!
Loved you once-upon a-time - Sat Dec 13 21:48:10 1997
Anyone wanting a job should come and see me at employment National.
I'm the one really nice guy in the organisation who actually loves
dealing with the people on the other side of the cubicle! Well that's
not strictly true there is one other but he is in the Eastern side of
the Big Smoke now. Com'n Brothers and Sisters lighten up my life and
visit me somewhere in Brissie.
Jack - Sat Dec 13 21:59:22 1997
Add my own comments? I thought that I already had! Some must have
rubbed me out! Anyway as I was saying...who is the 40ish guy wearing
the Lycra shorts and shirt (a really trashy look) who dances on the
pool tables and tells everyone that they have problems (doesn't
everyone) and they aren't his equal? What with his 'Trad. Italian
values n' all!
Still smarting - Sat Dec 13 22:22:52 1997
Add my own comments? I thought that I already had! Someone must have
rubbed me out! Anyway as I was saying...who is the 40ish guy wearing
the Lycra shorts and shirt (a really trashy look) who dances on the
pool tables and tells everyone that they have problems (doesn't
everyone) and they aren't his equal? What with his 'Trad. Italian
values n' all!
Still smarting - Sat Dec 13 22:23:19 1997
Thanks for the pinkboard personals which are great, but having just
been led along by a couple of contacts and then stood up; I wonder how
many more have had this experience - or is it just my luck ?
dangling - Sun Dec 14 0:50:40 1997
I'm sure its been said already, but what the f*ck are we doing creating
more sterotypes and segregating an already diverse (and monority group)
community. Some of my best friends are gay males and some of them are
straight couples. We go to clubs together, dinner, movies etc...and
have a great time. What I'm trying to say is that I don't wish to have
sex with men, but why throw out the baby with the bath water. I think
it's about time people stopped the "homophobic" attitude and started
accepting people for who they are rather than whether they act
"straight" or "girlie" or "butch" or any of the other colourful words
that our community and others come up with.
It's no wonder the heterosexual community have trouble accepting us
when we can't even accept oufselves!!!
disappointed - Sun Dec 14 1:14:41 1997
Dear Frustrated "Partyer" and "becca", Honey, I do not know of a
venue of the same calibre (and by the way this is the correct spelling)
as the Shift on a friday or Saturday night. The shift has reached this
exalted status as it caters to the requirements and likes and dislikes
of the people who go to dance there. It is an established presence on
Oxford St, and equates with a hot men only environment. Why cant
lesbians like you get it through your head that you are just not
welcome in this venue as it spoils our ambience?? It has, Dear, nothing
to do with political views or tolerence, it is purely and simply
nightclubbing for the boys. Yet peolple like you see it as your right
to attend, just because lesbians have nowhere else to go on a Saturday
night!! Find somewhere that suits your needs, and believe me Hon if the
vibe and music is right the club will become successful. With regard to
the Stonewall, I do not go there as 1. it is girls only and 2. I do not
have any inclination to do so. My mention of this was a comparison of
the door policies. Dear, you have your own space at the Mardi Gras,
despite the complaints from the boys, and yet you want to push it into
the shift!!!! As I have said the dancefloor is not the place for
political discussion, or an examination of the policies of
assimilation, it is there for dancing. If the lesbians do not have
anywhere to go on a friday or saturday then find
somewhere!!!!............ do not gatecrash our club, and state that is
your right to attend - it is not!!!!! As you are unwelcome in this
environment, do you all comprehend that????? why create trouble for
yourselves by attempting to exercise your "rights", and parading around
the shift like you own it?? My advice to you Darl is to take a sickie
once a month and party at the Shift on a Thursday. If the message has
not by now become as clear as one of my expensive crystal goblets, then
the doormen, on complaints from most of the boys, are there to keep the
unwanted element out!!
William - Sun Dec 14 12:01:16 1997
Let me remind you William, it is illegal to refuse entry to anyone
beacause of gender/race etc. One night (Thursday, actually) myself and
thre other lesbians were refused entry into the Shift. I thought you
said we were granted entry on that night. Anyway, the same time as we
were told to sod off, a very cute gay male asian man was also refused
entry, apparently he had the "wrong" shoes on. Maybe it's just a big
white boys club, and should be avoided by all "thinking" gay people.
Who wants to hear all that tragic dance music anyway, I've got better
things to do than stand around listening to imported, sub standard crap
all night, surrounded by facile, shallow men, ogling eachother's
dicks...boring.
So what next, no fat people, no people with blue eyes, no short people
? Live in your narrow little world William, because you and the rest of
your fellow "shifters" will be very much alone.
Im with coalitionist - Sun Dec 14 12:43:50 1997
Dear pleeese, Mardi Gras never responds to anyone, email, phone
etc..they have put themselves on a pedestal, and soon no Sydney queers
will want to go to their awful parties. Did you see the guide ? 75% of
"events" are just "visual" arts things. The only live music (I mean
original music made by Australian Gays or Lesbians is Judy Small, Oh
thanks, how cutting egde can you get ? Everything else is imported as
usual. I have given up on Mardi Gras representing, and nurturing the
talents of our community here in Australia. They don't give anyone a
chance, and serve up the same luke warm crap every year. They are
supposed to be representing us to the world with the festival, but
instead they are just cliche. If you don't fit in to their category,
you jsut don't exist, they are narrow minded, with little vision. One
day that pedestal will weaken, and they'll all come tumbling down.
Let's reclaim Mardi Gras now. Alternative Festival for 1999, all those
"rejected" by Mardi Gras unite, and create our own festival, and we'll
see how many people turn up to thier endless boring "visual arts"
events. How many glasses of cask wine can one possum drink without
regurgitating ?
Not a visual artist - Sun Dec 14 12:55:04 1997
William re your right to nightclub - I suggest you contact the Gay
& Lesbian Rights Lobby to make sure the issue is on their agenda -
this is clearly a very important issue - your right to party with the
type and kind you like seems at risk and requires urgent attention - I
can think of no other issue facing the gay & lesbian community
which could be more important than this - God knows where it may end -
a lesbian invasion of City Gym maybe !!!
The important things in life .... - Sun Dec 14 13:19:54 1997
William re your right to nightclub - I suggest you contact the Gay
& Lesbian Rights Lobby to make sure the issue is on their agenda -
this is clearly a very important issue - your right to party with the
type and kind you like seems at risk and requires urgent attention - I
can think of no other issue facing the gay & lesbian community
which could be more important than this - God knows where it may end a
lesbian invasion of City Gym maybe !!!
The important things in life .... - Sun Dec 14 13:20:36 1997
Friday night at The Shift I saw a lesbian refused entry because of her
shoes. She had already been in the bar and her girlfriend was inside
waiting for her. Shortly after I saw a long haired straight bimbo girl
wearing a back pack allowed in with no problems at all. I know who I
would have prefered to be denied entry. I have met some wonderful women
at the shift and they certanly didn't spoil my night. If you want a men
only space go to the Den.
Gregsta - Sun Dec 14 13:31:57 1997
Gregsta, yeah the shoe thing has been used a couple of times now. I
thought that was the domain of RSL clubs ? Well if they won't let you
in because of your shoes, should they let you in in a singlet ? or
shorts ? because these are other pre requisites of entry into an RSL
club ? Maybe the shift should be renamed the Darlo RSL "Refusing to
Serve Lesbians ? More appropriate
Who cares - Sun Dec 14 13:57:18 1997
Gregsta, yes Dear, the decision of who to let in is an arbitrary
one. So then, the solution is to not let any women in, whether a
straight bimbo or a lesbian in inappropriate footwear! Good on you Darl
for meeting lotsa "wonderful women" at the shift! Who would have
thought that 2 years ago one would hear a statement like that..... it
is not a social club honey! Do you also hang out in the Leichhardt
Hotel pool room with all ya girlfriends honey throwing back the amber
ale????
With regard to the Den, it will not be too long Dear before a set of
Boobs (or even the unmentionable bit down under) are thrust through a
glory hole in the name of equality.
You have been warned and the issue is now, for my part closed....
William - Sun Dec 14 14:02:56 1997
I agree with William in some ways. i am all for equality though I
do feel that certain spaces should remain men only. This also means
that straights and their girlfriends will not gain entry also. So you
see the door policy may be discriminatory on certain grounds but it is
really for the sake of harmony and the threat of the straight takeover.
Even downstairs is too mixed for my liking these days, and i do not
know why straights want entry there. I hope that William can chill out
a little, and see if things change over the next few weeks. i believe
that the management is aware and concerned of the situation, so things
will be looking brighter, if and when memberships are commenced. The
shift really is the last bastion of gay male dance space on the strip,
and we cannot lose it!!!! so girls, please get the message - in the
nicest possible way of course...
Also Concerned - Sun Dec 14 14:36:56 1997
Maybe all you narrow-minded, misogynist, separatist men out there
can all join together and create your own club where you can stand
around mouthing off women and their friends.......I'm quite sure you'll
be left alone then. Would that make you happy?????
bailey - Sun Dec 14 17:01:33 1997
I guess if there's one thing that's evident, people are getting
sick of the "same ol' same old stuff". Everything from Mardi Gras to
Shifty Shift, Flinder-garten ,& The Ordinary (Albury). Instead of
tearing down each other, why not invest some ideas & creativity
into trying to solve the problems? It's no wonder that we are percieved
to be a bitchy bunch, because we are! William, I understand your want
of having a "men only" dance space, but where do the women go? You're
quick to tell them to "find a place", but in reality - where is that
place? Do *you* know of any secret dance spaces for the gals? Regarding
the views presented by "Not a visual artist" - I couldn't agree more!
You only have to read recent gay-press to see that the Mardi-Gras has
really stuffed up big time! There is no real theme for 1998 & the
imaging is as about as clear as the menus at a Yum Cha restaurant. It
is time for change & the change has to happen from within. Change
to our identity, change to our dance spaces, change to our bars... but
I pose the question, What do you really want?
decisions decisions... - Sun Dec 14 17:59:25 1997
Can anybody tell me the best gay IRC for Sydney men?
Hepsibar - Sun Dec 14 22:18:42 1997
Decisions: Yes please. Something new and exciting rather than the same
old thing all the time. Get the creative people in our community
together to create something new. We would have to emphasize that it
must be new though, and not a committee compromise.
What does everyone else want? The same old thing. :-( They are comfortable, stuck in the 80s and the 70s.
Panther - Mon Dec 15 9:28:36 1997
IRC ? sure the best channel is # gayboringandnolife channel,
you could also try #gaydeperateanddateless. Happy chatting!!
Over It - Mon Dec 15 16:13:46 1997
I have a bitch of my own to add in relation to personals. That is
the number of people who call *themselves* "good looking". To me that
is so very, very pretentious. Good looking to whom? I always ask
myself.
Wouldn't it be better to just give an honest description of oneself or
include a picture and then let others judge for themselves?
Red - Mon Dec 15 22:22:01 1997
William, women don't care if the shift is a Men's only space. Just
let the shift advertise this fact, let them blatantly say, "this is for
men only, no women allowed in". It would save a lot of trouble for you
and me. So William, you personally tell the shift that the next time
they put an ad in the Star etc..be sure to mention "women not welcome"
in it. That will make it clear to us then, for up till now the shift is
quite happy to take the lesbian $$$$$$$. Let us know in print, who
needs the shift anyway?
Not me - Tue Dec 16 10:37:49 1997
dear decisions...well we can all email Mardi Gras at the same time,
but they never check it anyway, or we could all phone, but they are
always in a meeting, well we could stop attending their boring
events,,,Bingo..that's it, no audience no Mardi Gras, in the meantime
organise your own event and label it "alternative MG" and i'll turn up.
Not a visual artist - Tue Dec 16 10:41:55 1997
Panther is right, committees just compromise everything. Some are
just big fat bums sitting on seats and moaning now and again. The
loudest moaners on commitees are usually the ones that don't do
anything..just complain. And watch out for those on "multiple"
committees, they have no life at all, and are usually ineffectual. Also
beware of those who want to serve in an "advisory" role. This reads
"you do all the work, and i'll criticise it, and manipulate it so it
looks like my idea". So look around and see who has been on these
multiple committees, and avoid them. Better to look for people who are
making things happen and "collaborate" with them. Individual energy is
the only thing that will save this cultural disaster they call "Mardi
Gras". And most of those lillte creeps get paid to work there? Our
Money.....Anyone on a board is just that...bored
Individualist - Tue Dec 16 10:51:30 1997
Dear "not me", Honey, the shift does not need to advertise the fact
that it is a men only space, it is common knowledge so why try and push
the point???? If you and your friends do not get the message then that
is your problem!! It is for people like you to use their discretion
when deciding which venues to attend, and the attitude of the lesbians
who attempt to bustle their way past the doormen, to exercise their
"right" are just an embarrassment. So, Dear, dont take it personally,
and respect our right to party where we choose. In regard to your
comments about the Star, this has a predominately male readership, and
has been a mens newspaper since it's inception. Just because a few
Lesbian columnists gatecashed it and inflict their views on us in their
monotonous and banal colums does not mean that the invitation to attend
the shift is extended to all . Do you see the same advertisement in the
lesbian newspapers?? (whatever they are called?) Honey, do not get
strung out about it! As i have said, it is a men only space and that
environment is to be protected. If the gals do not have antwhere to
dance then it is too bad!!!!!! Find somewhere, but do not think that
your politics and obnoxious takeover style, which is starting to appear
in an unbearably large number of areas will get you through the door!!
Your statement "that women don't care if the shift is a men only
space", really sums up your attitude. It is precisely for this reason
that the majority of dancers want to keep people like you out. It shows
a lack of respect for our established dance space and seeks to bring
everything down to the level of the lowest common denominato, where the
crowd is full of trashy gawkers and a little" mothers club" of lesbians
staking out a corner of the bar and dancefloor .I would think about
these points before decididing to attend the shift.......... The
subject is now Closed.
William - Tue Dec 16 13:06:54 1997
William honey. I think we can get another 6 weeks out of this issue
at least. Don't be a party pooper and say the subject is closed.
I can still remember Patches - Tue Dec 16 15:19:18 1997
William, I think you need help, go to the head doctor and see if he
(cause a woman doctor would make you feel uncomfortable) can help you
with your problems. It is clear from the many comments here that, in
fact, most lesbians don't want to so to the shift, and are happy to
accept it as an all male space. Women want women only spaces too, and
we can all understand your need to be around your own pack. Woof. So
calm down. There has been a lot of input by women into the Star
Observer, which has played a role in shaping the paper. There are so
many magazines for men, the Star chooses to be a coilitionist paper,
there will be it's strength, not weakness. It looks better than any
other street paper, and is a credit to it's producers..women and men.
So let it go and slagging lesbians off all in sundry, like all people
lesbians are just a small slice of mainstream society, just like gay
men. There is so much diversity, I suggest you seek some intelligent
lesbian friends (if your up to it), before you judge every lesbian and
put them in the "dag" basket..case
What about Flo's Palace? - Tue Dec 16 16:25:12 1997
William, I never go to the shift, and neither do my friends. I
havn't been there for years, I can't stand Oxford Street anyway, you've
already lost it to the Hets. Don't fight about a few dykes in the
shift, what about all the venues that chase the Het $$ like DCM. Hets
are much worse than lesbians William. Imagine a str8 guy in the shift,
feeling a little agro ? He could slip in if he was white, male and
wearing shoes. That whole Oxford Street scene has disintergrated into a
filthy mess. It's not glitzy, not glamorous. What a sad sight Oxford
Street is, I hope the council cleans the bums out before Mardi Gras.
There should be more effort put into Oxford Street if it wants to
remain "an international icon" as Gay & Lesbian Streets go
worldwide. Be happy there a few Gay people left on the famous "strip".
Not me. Ah! Frenches - Tue Dec 16 16:38:47 1997
Thanks "The Bat" also if anyone is interested there are some great chat rooms for lesbians and gay men at www.gay.com.
Tiffany - Tue Dec 16 18:14:15 1997
i am frustrated with my heterosexual friends that have known me for
over 5 years and still don't get the sexuality thing. For example, one
friend, a lawyer, thinks that being gay must be so terrible that it
should be grounds for damages in a civil action, if you were sexually
abused as a child ( oh yeah, and of course she thinks that being
sexually abused is the cause of this 'gayness' ). please get a grip. In
a similar vein, a lesbian friends son's teacher tried to compare being
gay with having ADD, saying 'you can't pin point a cause for either,
you just have it'. Perhaps we need to start compensating straights for
their obviously inferior intellect.
Amanda - Tue Dec 16 18:23:49 1997
Gee, is there really a Team Melourne? I have tried to send 2 emails
& have had no reply. I have sent a letter - no reply. All I want to
know is how to get involved in the Gay Gaymes to be held in Melbourne
& also to find out if there is a gay womens touch football team I
could play in. I think Team Melbourne only wants money from us by us
ringing the 0055 number. Can anyone help me? I'm in Melbourne &
would love to play touch football. I'm also looking for any gay girls
or guys to go cycling with (I'm in St Kilda East)
Helena - Tue Dec 16 18:34:38 1997
Welcome back, lost a few comment there at the end, best left unsaid.
happy again - Fri Dec 19 14:27:55 1997
Melbourne rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Memnoch - Fri Dec 19 19:56:31 1997
I agree with "not me". The whole of Oxford St has turned into a
heterosexual breeding ground, and the stret is lined with drunken
derelicts swigging on bottles of metho. Has anyone noticed that when
walking past there is always s stream of urine passing from then across
the footpath and into the gutter??
It is actually quite gross, and I counted 8 in one night!! Surely they
can find an empty back lane somewhere to indulge their addiction.
Oxford st is definately not glamourous (if it ever was!!), and is full
of straights marching up and down the street checking things out.
Indeed where else in Sydney is there the same concentration of bars and
nightclubs?? The Albury is unbearable with muscle lebo's and theit boob
tube clad galfriends. Puleeeese it is just too much! Who could even be
bothered going out these days. The comments concerning the shift are
also pretty true, and I stopped going because of the general attitude
and their lax door policy. Who remembers the exchange 5-10 years ago???
They were the days............Alas, life moves on and I just choose to
stay away from it all.
Over it, Actually - Fri Dec 19 23:37:44 1997
Just harking back to William's comments: I agree totaly - however
it is more sexual politics than gay in substance: Take the Boy Scouths
for instance: Some women wern't hapy with the Girl Guides - did they
try to change it into what they wanted from a group ? No they just
moved in and broke open the Scouts: It is typical assertive behaviour:
Can't women create anything - do they only know how to break into mens
groups that have taken years to build into whatever it is they are:
J - Sat Dec 20 1:01:12 1997
hi!!!
bonzo - Sat Dec 20 12:47:48 1997
bonzo - Sat Dec 20 12:50:11 1997
...being gay is not,(never has been) a problem. The 'problem' of
course is with 'social-acceptance'. This is a political issue,and since
'most' people believe more in the "media",than they do in
'politics',let's give a big hand to the 'media',and a nice big
'middle-finger' to our dedicated politicians!(...I'm from the U.S.A.
and have never been to (.au)!!! I'm sure someone will let me know if
I've got my head too far up my as- !!!)
bonzo - Sat Dec 20 13:11:33 1997
I take offence that "bonzo" has littered this site with his
inappropriate graphics, not to mention ranting comments. I can tell you
Dear that your head is, indeed, much too far up your ass. Who cares
about your idiot politicians who spend much of their time trying to get
into everyones knickers. Your crass self advertising is not wanted
here, so take a hike, Darl.........
Friend of William's - Sat Dec 20 14:05:27 1997
J: Women have been downtrodden, kept barefoot and pregnant, for so
long by men. What is happening now is that the proper balance is being
restored, well a tiny bit. It wasn't until this century that women were
even allowed a say in how our country is run, that is to vote. It
wasn't until very recently that women were allowed to say no to sex
with their husbands. I welcome any advances by women in claiming their
human rights.
Panther - Sat Dec 20 18:46:20 1997
Bonzo: Being gay used to be defined as both a medical problem and a
legal problem. It is still illegal in many places. While we have these
types of laws it only encourages the social stigmatisation. In fact the
media is responsible for, if not creating the hatred, then fanning the
fires of the fanatics. I do agree that the politicians need the finger,
especially those in the conservative parties who vote agains any law
reforms while breaking the laws themselves.
Panther - Sat Dec 20 18:51:34 1997
So William, what did you think of the ruling against Sirens
nightclub, a place where lesbians could go hey ? The management has to
apologise to some pathetic drunk het male who pushed past the front
desk without paying the cover charge, and then displayed typical
loutish male behaviour. If you want your precious shift, tell your male
friends straight and gay to keep out of our venues. Imagine if a het
woman puched past the doorman at the shift and began abusing gay male
patrons. This "apology" really sets a precedant, It's Ok for drunken
men to intrude into lesbian space, we have to apologise to them. So you
see William, you and your fellow mutated chromosone gang (read male),
don't have it so tough after all. I'd like to see the Shift apologise
to all the women it has refused entry to. So c'mon girls, let's take
this higher just for the sake of it, like that ignorant man did with
Sirens, what's good for the Goose.....
Quack - Sat Dec 20 22:44:22 1997
What did Bonzo say that was so bad ? I like the Graphic, it jazzes
things up, don't you think ? Bonzo is right, people believe what the
media throws at them, and the problem is social acceptance, not being
gay, like being black isn't a problem, others create the problems with
their fear and narrow minds. Please leave Bonzo alone
he/she is right, and at least had the courtesy to ask for our comments.
I like Bonzo - Sat Dec 20 22:52:26 1997
To J, yes women can create things, take you for example, did you pop
out of some guys ass? When are you pathetic little public school boys
gonna realise that we are nearly in the year 2000, you sound more like
you are stuck in 1802 !! They said the same things about black people
entering white people's clubs. Even today if your black or Jewish you
can't join certain pathetic white men's clubs, even Tiger Woods can't
play on some golf courses because he's black/asian. A sensitive,
talented young man, a champion cannot play on a golf course because it
has "no other colour than white" Policy. Can't you see the similarities
between these two types of discrimination ? I think you men are
basically scared that it is in fact true that we women are (when given
the opportunity) more intelligent and capable than you men have ever
been. So where have centuries of male rule lead us ? Poverty, famine,
war, greed, hunger, discimination, global warming, pollution. What have
you men done that is so bloody clever ? Invented guns ? ooh major
achievement, fought for your country against other bloody stupid men
(at least war gave women a chance to prove they could do all your jobs
more efficiently), polluted our oceans and rivers with your stinking
toxic waste ? ..good move.. Look J realise it, you men have stuffed up
this world for long enough, sorry mate, it's time to move over and
share this world with the other 53%. Men will eventually learn from
women, and until they let go of their fear of women, then the world
will continue on the downward spiral.
Amazon - Sat Dec 20 23:09:05 1997
Bravo Amazon, It's time we weeded out the finest genetic specimens
in the male gender, lock them up, milk their sperm, kill the rest, and
abort all boy babies. Simple solution to a complex problem.
Oh yeah and will you gay men stop calling yourselves "girls" and
"queens" ? These refer to women XX..do you all so deperately want to be
women that you have to steal our labels?
Sheena, XX queen of the jungle - Sat Dec 20 23:15:49 1997
Dear "Quack", as I understand it Honey, Sirens is no longer in
existence. So there really is no point in keeping out of there. In
regard to the "ruling" in this matter I can say that a drunken male
sauntering past the door bitches and refusing to pay is not
appropriate. My point is, and will remain, Darling, that people just
stick to their own venues. With regard to the door policy at Sirens, I
can say that very few, if no men were allowed through that door. So you
see a selective door policy is not in itself discrimination, it is a
means of assuring that the ambience is protected. I have no problem
with that. The problem with the "sirens" case is that the fellow
concerned settled the case by requesting the apology. That is fair
enough. As I understood it the man was not violent or aggresive, merely
"assertive". In law, this is a difference, as he does not have to raise
a defence to his claim. The reason he went upstairs and forced his way
in was because he was refused entry downstairs. The message here is
just dont bother. The selective door policy operates on grounds other
than sex, and in this instance Sirens staff should have had more
commonsense and ventilated their concerns in a different area of
refusal than that based merely on gender. No attempt at entry no
problems... Get the message.........In regard to your comments
concerning "taking things higher", where exactly is that?? Why is it
that Lesbians like you cannot get the message, and are always on the
defensive?? Just because you do not like the decision and have nowhere
else to party are you going to gather all your hairy legged friends
together to gatecrash the Shift??? This should be an example to just
stay out of each others way, except in venues that are mixed. Your
vindictive overtones are not becoming, Dear, and the fact remains that
what Sirens did was discriminatory, with a lot of attitude from the
owners and door staff. It was not just the manner of the discrimination
but the way in which the matter was handled. Sirens staff should not
have been aggressive and said that the space was women only. If the
refusal of entry had occured in a more appropriate fashion, the matter
would never have been before the tribunal . In reply to "Amazon", your
environmental concerns are justified Honey, I cant belive that men
would cause all that!!! You have really opened my eyes Dear. However
you forgot to mention the environmental degradation caused by womens
tampons clogging up our waterways. I am openminded, Honey, but not
enough to claim responsibility for the destruction of our harbour and
beaches caused by that particular female "accessory".
William - Sun Dec 21 13:34:43 1997
...sorry if I offended anyone.(I'm new, and a 'little' clumsy!)
...in the 'dsmv#4'(diagnostic and statistic manual version 4-----a book
'shrinks use mostly for filling-out insurance forms!),homosexuality is
'not' listed as a mental disorder. This was due, in a very large
part,to the political activism of 'gays' in their attempts to raise
'public awareness' through various means(media first,,,change public
opinion,,,then change laws) over the last/mostly three decades. I'm
'not' an authority,I've just seen it happen.-----
'amazon' is "right-on-the-money" in my opinion.
bonzo - Sun Dec 21 14:17:00 1997
so this is what one does on a sunday. Just bitch and go on like
some sick twisted queers who are very intolerant of the rest of the
world, be it straight, gay, lesbian of bi. cum on people sounds like
you all need to get a "real life" and get on with it. enough crap, time
for reality!!!
bored an over-it! - Sun Dec 21 17:05:09 1997
Where is your life Dear, if you spent your Sunday here on this
site. It would appear that you are the one with" no life " , or do you
just lack the vocabulary to say something rather more interesting? When
you find "reality" sweetheart, just let us all know. Thanks Pet!
Concerned - Mon Dec 22 0:12:03 1997
William. Sirens never refused to admit someone because of gender,
many boys came to Sirens over the years, and none of them were made to
feel unwelcome. This man was asked to leave because he did not pay the
cover charge, the same way any woman would be ejected if she did not
pay the cover charge. Next time I am refused entry into any venue, I
will be the same as he did, and hopefully receive an apology, like he
did. Would you like this homophobe in the shift with you and all your
weeny dicked friends ? I think not ! So lend a little sympathy to
others, cause all Sirens were doing was Keeping the "ambience" of a gay
and lesbian space.
As for tampons clogging up the waterways, we put them in the bin darls,
I suggest it is all your stinking condoms that you leave floating
around the beach and any other area with a tree you root behind. Bloody
stinking poofs, condoms are everywhere, do you men have to have it off
in toilets, parks, in alley ways, why can't you just be more discreet ?
Because people are just bums for you to poke, not being with feelings,
how do you think aids spread so rapidly through your community ?
Because of loveless sex in filthy places, with no concern about who
they were or how they felt. Men in general are insensitive, but gay
men, cause they are not influenced by women are just animals. It brings
out the worst male traits when you all get together...your comments
prove this to us all William...you fell into the trap
"darls","sweetheart" "honey" get the message?
Quack Quack - Mon Dec 22 11:10:50 1997
Hi Bonzo you are Ok don't listen to them I like the graphic too more pleeeese.
Amazon - Mon Dec 22 11:15:18 1997
Bonzo for Mardi Gras president !!!!!
I luv Americans - Mon Dec 22 16:08:35 1997
I thought Bev Lange was a bonzo in any case.
Her ex girlfriend - Mon Dec 22 16:11:04 1997
Thanks Bonzo. I've now worked out what I'm doing New Year's Eve.
I'm going to pop a trip, turn my computer on and watch your fabulous
colour graphics all night. More graphics please to make my night
special.
Can't afford $60 for Pride - Mon Dec 22 16:14:55 1997
With regard to "Quack", Sweetie, if you re-read my last message you
will gather that I said the behaviour of the person concerned was
inappropriate, and no, I would not like him in my venue. I was not
unsympathetic to your concerns. The issue was one of a drunk man being
refused entry, nor that of a male refused entry because of gender. With
regard to your other comments, Dear, I am quite appalled and have no
comment for your spiteful, man-hating and vulgar remarks. If the"
influence " of women, with which you speak is in regard to women like
you, i am glad to keep my distance.............., Honey.
William - Mon Dec 22 19:32:41 1997
You can dish it out William, but you can't take it eh? Typical.
Quack's friend - Tue Dec 23 9:49:36 1997
Dear William Tampons are not "accessories" but "necessities". Would
you prefer all of us "hairy legged", "assertive", "king gee wearing",
"mothers" to bleed all over you precious shift ? Get real, You
certainly retreat when you are confronted with your pathetic views in
reverse. I'm making a documentary about discrimination in the Gay &
Lesbian community, and including some of your comments, we are also
taking live video of women being refused entry into venues like the
shift and asking for some honest answers. Smile, your on lesbo camera.
Eat my shorts - Tue Dec 23 9:55:59 1997
I think Bev Lange is Bonzo, must be cause Mardi Gras is a circus, and she's head clown.
Her other ex - Tue Dec 23 9:58:39 1997
Hear-ye hear-ye, an announcement for everyone rushing out to buy
their mardi-gras ticket. The cover story on capital Q was media
propaganda, there are still plenty of tickets (Over half). Take your
time and pay off the credit card from your xmas shopping.
Founder of the 'Lets rid ourselves of Lang' - Tue Dec 23 11:32:50 1997
Dear Eat my shorts,
I find your comments a tad annoying. Is it so wrong that boyz want a
space of their own without being bowled over by silly little girls with
silly little pink backpacks and silly little attitudes? Just because
Sirens is now closed and no-one else in the lesbian community can be
bothered to get up off their (King Gee wearing?) arse and open another
venue, doesn't mean you can start bagging other venues for their door
policies that have been in place and will continue to be in place a lot
longer than you'll be around. As far as it being our 'precious shift',
if you have such little respect for it, do us all a favor please and
don't go. You say that your going to ask for some honest answers as to
why girlz are getting refused entry, if you cant work that one out
sweetie then you really need to grow up.
How about this: Instead of expelling your energy on a video that will
closely resemble 'Police Camera Action', you do a video bringing people
together, getting sponsors and opening another venue
Ralph - Tue Dec 23 12:11:20 1997
With all this Bitchin going on.Don't stop it has been fun,you all
out there I wish you a very merry christmas..and happy happy newyear..
northern cousins... - Tue Dec 23 12:59:13 1997
bonzo - Tue Dec 23 13:23:25 1997
Dear "Ralph", thank you for your support in understanding my concerns.
What is is with those Dykes??? Dear "eat my shorts",( and by the way
honey, are they King Gees, or something even more glamourous...........
), Get over it Darl!! You and your kind appear to be on some type of
mission to destroy our spaces. Darling, the reason you are not wanted
is quite obvious, and that is because of your attitude, so why bother
to make a video?? Perhaps instead of sitting around "workshopping" your
creative juices, in your "collective", tugging on rollies and swilling
beer, your energies would be put to better use startring your own club,
as, indeed, I said in a previous message.If you had gotten off your fat
ass then, you could be partying this weekend , Sweetie!! There is no
reason to push your "Wimmins" agenda to clubs in which you are not
welcome, but you seek to discover the "reasons" why you are not wanted.
Your cockumentary should be thrilling, Honey. Dear, thanks for saying
that you will be including some of my comments, I am sure that the
majority of others would agree with me, and the prospect of fame is
indeed quite flattering! If I see someone walking down Oxford St
looking like a butch truck driver and taking a few "snaps" on their
Kodak instamatic, and deliberately provoking confrontations with
doormen for entry to clubs, I will know who they are. Honey, get over
it , get off your fat butt, and channel your energies into establishing
something more for your "girlfriends" than boring old Pool Comps, at
the Imperial, Bank Hotel, Ceasers Bar, and the Leichhardt Hotel and the
odd chook raffle! Is there anywhere for dancing at these "venues"?? No,
hon......... Don't expect others to provide you with a venue and a good
night out. The solution is to grab yourself a mirror ball, a DJ, and
some flattering lighting to hide your ugly figures and party, Darl!!
William - Tue Dec 23 14:11:01 1997
In the 'states',lesbians and gay males segregate their bars along
lines of mutual sexual interest.(....the exception might be 'show-bars'
where the crowd is very mixed ,and might even include 'hetero-sexuals',
due to the entertainment factor.)
....Don't lesbians have their own bars in '.au' ?
Tue Dec 23 15:37:31 1997
Yes they do have their own bars in au. I was just tugging William
and Ralph's chain, and they took the bait ha ha ha. I don't wear King
Gee's darrrl..or smoke rollies, or have a fat bum, and I don't know
anyone who does. You guys are getting so het up, ha ha ha, have your
shift, you don't get it we don't care if it's a boys only space, my
friends and I don't want to go there..get the picture ?? We don't want
to be around you and your mates sweety, bars are for losers
anyway...don't you know that ? Got nothing else to do than hang around
in a second rate sleazehole looking for other lonely desperates ? More
pity you..ha ha ha you really bite don't you. Get a life away from the
bars, then I might have something to film, other than your stupid
overworked ass in some stinking bar. You really live a one dimensional
life don't you ? What you don't realise Ralph and Willy is that I am a
bloody Gay man oops...you dickheads wouldn't know a poof if he fell
over you, on the dancefloor at the shift...suckers
Eat my shorts - Tue Dec 23 17:24:27 1997
We gals have plenty of places to go, and frankly I find William's
comments very disturbing. I don't want to go to the shift William, you
don't seem to understand that. Some lesbians may go there, but the
majority wouldn't be seen dead in the shift. Don't judge all lesbians
by a few that go to the shift, they may wear King Gees or whatever, but
all dykes are not the same. You have been unfortunate enough to
encounter some pretty awful ones by the sound of it, I don't want this
type around me either,but we do live in a free world, where people can
dress as they like, and let their bums get fat if they wish. If you
don't like women in the shift, talk to the management, it is them who
have the responsibility to their patrons. I think you'll find it is
against the law to do so however. Boys have plenty of places to go
where women wouldn't be seen dead at. The other side never
discriminates against boys going there, and it is a well known fact
that it is a dyke space. I think women are a little more tolerant in
general, don't you ? Women have been financially held back by men for
centuries, we have come a long way this century, I mean we couldn't
vote until the twenties!!!A nightclub is an expensive operation. Why
don't you thank Dawn O'Donnell for the Newtown and Imperial, as well as
the toolsheds, she's one dyke who has given you boys everything,
because that is where the money is. Most dykes are happier heving
private parties, or listening to live music, than paying outrageous bar
prices anyway. You don't get around much boys if you think all lesbians
have hairy legs and are butch, this notion is ignorant and unfounded.
Get out a little more boys to places that are mixed, you might find a
better class of bloke there, who doesn't need to be reminded he's a
man, by being surrounded by them. I think you need to meet some
sensitive men, who don't frequent bars, I feel you have been deeply
hurt at some time, maybe you have a drug/alcohol problem, which is
usual of those who frequent bars too much. Take care of yourself and
practise safe sex
A Mother - Tue Dec 23 18:38:29 1997
"Eat my shorts", Honey, I may have a gorgeous body, a superb
vocabulary, a big schlong, and looks to die for, but I am not, Dear, a
clairvoyant. Therefore I cannot see the arseholes like you through my
computer screen. Honey I am just mortified with embarrassment that you
are indeed a man. And by the sounds of it a horrible queen with nothing
better to do than attempt to stir up a little trouble. Darl, I will
need psychotherapy for the shock. Who knows if I will ever get over it?
William - Tue Dec 23 19:52:17 1997
I think that the Gay & Lesbian Community (Communities / Unholy
Alliance - call it what you want) is about to implode if you believe
all of the above. Is it some sort of conspiracy that we are all going
to turn on ourselves and only the straights will survive ????? Just a
thought. Have a merry Xmas everyone and a bitchin 98.
I believe in the Diana Conspiracy Theory - Wed Dec 24 11:13:08 1997
William, I think you need psychotherapy to stop using the words
'honey', 'darl' and 'darling' so much. Try 'petal' every now and then
as some sort of therapy.
I'ce heard you're lousy in bed - Wed Dec 24 11:26:35 1997
"Lousy in bed", Thanks Darl for your kind words. Hon, sorry, I
mean Pet, I mean sweetie, I will speak with my therapist regarding your
concerns. That is, Darl, if he can keep his eyes off my bulging crotch,
and his finger outta my arsehole..........
William - Wed Dec 24 14:27:14 1997
Is that William for real?? Geez............... What is the name of your shrink???
Anxioeous - Wed Dec 24 16:30:24 1997
Enough of that crap!
I hope everyone had a great Xmas and is looking forward to a harmonious New Year.
There is just one thing....
I know this has no spell-check, but can we at least try please? It's to the point of embarrassment
Anal - Fri Dec 26 7:30:50 1997
Hi betty beatKWEEn how are luv.Yes i am still alive darls.
Its just starting to warm up here in Tassie but the men seem to be still a little cold.
kweeniedeanie - Sat Dec 27 20:04:34 1997
Jezzuzz ... what's goin' on here. My first visit to this site and
I'm a bit stonkered. I'm in Perth. Its small and can be shitty at times
but the one thing I love about our scene, our community if you like is
that despite a few dickheads we can get the boys, grrls, men, women,
leatherfolks, handbags glams, label queens etc all in the one space. We
have nights for one thing or the other which most people respect and
there are a few arsehole who like to stuff up everything but mostly we
like to all get along. No "take-overs" that Kerry Packers domain. There
may be others here who will dissagree with me but mostly this town is
in unison. Much as I love to be in Oxford St when ever I can I find I
miss the grrrls being "a part of it." They don't interrupt me poofing
about and I'm happy to have them dyke it up too.
Just get along, its not difficult! Respect other's spaces when
appropriate and groove together. What's the catch? Well I'm largely
hetrophobic and if I wanted to keep anyone out it would be the
"tourist" Hets. Turn your energys to that and you'll find, I'm sure,
that Oxford Street, or Commercial Road in Melb, or anywhere else
actually works better. Tere room for us all!
Ant - Sun Dec 28 14:15:43 1997
.....you've got my vote!!!
bonz-oh! - Sun Dec 28 15:57:39 1997
I aggree with Ant, lets concentrate in getting rid of the Straights
in Oxford St instead of arguing about men's and women's spaces. If it
continues as it is then we will all lose Oxford St to the straights,
and a wonderfull place.
We should work with SOuth Sydney council in tyding up the place,
ensuring more housing/shelters for homeless poeple so that they dont
have to sleep in the gutters of Oxford St. The people who say that they
have stopped comming into Oxford St because on the straights should
come back and "reclaim" the Bars/discos/restaurants for ourselves. That
includes Gay and Lesbian people.
Red - Sun Dec 28 18:19:35 1997
This is probably getting old but I thought I would point out to
William that tampons were invented and made by men. Women, as usual
were co-erced into using them with the usual lies about 'what's good
for us' because all that has mattered to men now and in the past is
profit at the cost of all humanity, animals and the environment
Thoroughly pissed off - Sun Dec 28 20:07:18 1997
Dear "Thoroughly pissed off ", Darl, it is never to late to respond
to a remark you so obviously feel passionate about. Honey, no-one
spread your legs and forced you to insert one, and I would think that
they are a tremendous improvement on hessian bags tied around the
waist. May i say, Dear, that it would appear to be a little more comfy!
Hessian bags and a pink lame crotchless g-string is not a particularly
flattering. In regard to "Ant", Darl, Perth sounds like so much fun,
and I would love to "poof it up", perhaps we can try that in Sydney !
Everyone together and having fun in the one venue ! Now, Honey, if only
we could find a chook shed small enough.....................
William - Mon Dec 29 1:18:39 1997
William: You are totally missing the point. Women *have* been
forced over the years by many overt and covert means to do all sorts of
things which are good for men rather than for women. It is only
recently that they have been allowed to say no without fear (or at
least with less fear than before).
Panther - Mon Dec 29 18:36:22 1997
William is boring, and this issue is taking up too much space that
could be occupied by more important issues, like creating a cultural
alternative to Mardi Gras, and getting all the unknown talents in our
community out there. Why waste time with William, let him and his big
"schlong" roll over and die. Is William Dot Dingle in disguise ? Could
be....Goodbye William rest in peace.
I have spoken - Mon Dec 29 19:18:34 1997
Now, for somthing completely different, what do all you lovely boys
and girls really think about Mardi Gras, please your horror stories
follow.........................Get Bitchin, and leave no turn unstoned.
Phyllis - Mon Dec 29 19:26:07 1997
You can be proud William, you are the useless bit of skin attached to a prick.
Mon Dec 29 20:10:33 1997
what is the useless bit of skin attached to a prick?
Mon Dec 29 20:12:36 1997
what is the useless bit of skin attached to a prick?
Mon Dec 29 20:12:59 1997
William
Mon Dec 29 20:19:58 1997
I am laughing so loud about the joke above Sweetie! And to think
that you wasted your time submitting it four times Hon. By the way,
Darl, in my opinion there is no useless skin attached to a prick. You
*must* be a lesbian to make a comment like that Darl..... I had better
jokes than that in my exclusive christmas crackers...................
Dear " I have spoken", Darl are you one of the "unknown talents of
"our" community", probably are Hon, and I have a feeling you will
remain that way, Sweetie!! By the way who is Dot Dingle, Pet? Is she
another one of those dykes on the Mardi Board??
William - Mon Dec 29 21:27:14 1997
Hahahaha
William I just wanted to see how much time you waste looking at this thing.
Have you got a life or what........?
Probably what.
Tue Dec 30 0:03:36 1997
If William does not know who Dot Dingle is he must be (a) extremely young (b)very stupid (c) not go out anywhere but the shift.
Dot himself - Tue Dec 30 10:25:18 1997
I love all my Gay boyfriends, they love me, and life is sweet.
There does exist a real "community" spirit out there, and William,
however bitter and twisted you may be, you can't spoil everyone else's
fun. We are not all lonely and isolated like you, I feel sorry for you
hon.
Pax - Tue Dec 30 10:30:04 1997
William
Take your hand off it for once in your life! Have you ever stopped to
listen to yourself? I don't give a damn what your political persuasion
really are because the reality of the situation, as displayed here on
pinkboard, is that the majority of the community is happy to co-exist.
Some of us are even friends with those straight people. You are either
the biggest stirrer or a very screwed up individual.
Well, news for you darling! I'm a lesbian and I have absolutely no
problem getting into the Shift on a friday or saturday night. I can
also bet that I'll have one of those precious little memberships way
before you do. Of course no lesbian is complete without company so, I
hope to be seeing you every week darling. As for you little Mardi Gras
bitch! Well precious you'll be happy to know that there will be a boys
only space in 98. Obviously exclusive lesbians like myself will be
there too. You bet we're invading. We won't be happy until we have
demolished all you separtist haunts.
Anti-Separtism!! - Tue Dec 30 10:37:14 1997
Marcia Hines back on stage at Mardi Gras 98 would be a dream come
true. She is truly a gay icon and in some sense Australia's best kept
secret. I still have vivid memories of her closing show at Mardi Gras a
few years ago (and of course of so many other live concerts). A
straight black women who adopted Australia as her home - she is still
part of our community. I wonder if William would let her into the
Shift. I suppose he doesn't even know who she is (after all he has
never heard of Dot Dingle and gripes anyone who has stepped foot on
Oxford Street has heard of Dot Dingle).
Your love brings me to me knees - Tue Dec 30 11:46:55 1997
The rumour I have heard is Pet Shop Boys with back up vocals by Kylie,
Madonna and kd. Actually I would be pleased if the final show was Sybil
singing the acapella version of 'The Love I Lost'.
Easily pleased, but I want my monies worth ... - Tue Dec 30 12:32:28 1997
The rumour I have heard is Pet Shop Boys with back up vocals by Kylie,
Madonna and kd. Actually I would be pleased if the final show was Sybil
singing the acapella version of 'The Love I Lost'.
Easily pleased, but I want my monies worth ... - Tue Dec 30 12:35:09 1997
Does Dot Dingle have a big schlong ?????
Just curious - Tue Dec 30 12:36:47 1997
I have also heard the same rumour about the Pet Shop Boys appearing at Mardi Gras 98. So it must be true! Yay!
Red - Tue Dec 30 12:44:45 1997
William, forget about the lesbian bitches. The Shift should ban all
those disease ridden HIV+ types. I can spot them a mile off ...... Your
comments are as offensive to our lesbian friends as my comments would
be to a HIV+ person.....
Pos and proud - Tue Dec 30 12:53:16 1997
I heard that Marcia Hinze will go down on Kate Monroe on stage at the
Mardi Gras singing "Your love brings me to my knees, but why don't my
play my records bitch" It's a new updated version, a feeble attempt to
kick Kate off the back and front cover of LOTL.
Sick of it - Tue Dec 30 18:10:45 1997
Dot Dingle, as the name implies, has a perfectly normal sized
little penis, of which he is very proud, and strokes at 10 minute
intervals, daily, until it gets so big that he has to put and extra
sixed pair of "kiss my butt" boxers on, just to accomodate it's massive
dimensions.
Dot's farmyard friends - Tue Dec 30 18:15:49 1997
I heard a rumour that Racey were playing at Mardi Gras cause they couldn't get Shaun Cassidy or Rick Sprigfield.
What year is it ? - Tue Dec 30 18:18:40 1997
Dear "Anti -Separtism", or is that separatism, which is the correct
spelling. Honey, I do not give a shit whether or not you wish to
co-exist, as your comments would suggest otherwise. So what if there is
a men only space at the Mardi Gras ! Can't that just be a good thing
for the guys, Darl??? Of course not, as vicious Dykes like you just
can't wait to get ther fat butts inside. Never mind entering with the
intention of dancing Darl, you and your type just wish to enter to
assert you right to equality, Hon, and it is this attitude which you
display at the Shif, and why the marority do not want you there. In any
event Hon, why would a Dyke wish to be surrounded by men on a Sat night
at the Shift anyway, well, the fact of that is, as I have said before,
you poor sheilas don't have anywhere else to shake your
snatch................. It stands to reason Sweetie, do you ever see
the boys gatecrashing one of your venues - not that you even "have" one
with a disco these days anyway!!!! So choke on that instead of your
smelly old dental dams..............Pet. In addition to this you may be
interested to know that the old Sirens is born again and will be
opening on 7 january!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And guess what Darl, thats right
Sweetie, it is called Trade, and will be men only. What I have been
saying all this time is right, you Dykes have just been to lazy to get
off your fat butts and organise something, Honey. So you have lost out
again............... Daaaaaaaaarling!
William - Tue Dec 30 22:30:29 1997
Here's one for yer kids. The latest goes that the Spice Girls are playing at Pride tonight....Hmmm, dunno about that one
Herbs are better than Spice - Wed Dec 31 2:57:50 1997
Wow, I heard Bronte Morris and her sisters were playing at Pride, doing
a bosna nova version of "we are family, and don't we know it", should
give people are good chance to sneak a little herb girl outside.
Herb girl - Wed Dec 31 8:38:32 1997
OOh hear that Girls, Trade opening up Jan 7th, thanks William for
telling us, we would have never found out without your big mouth. Now
we can organise a big invasion on opening night, and bustle past all
those boys with out fat butts and hairy legs and get all the best make
out spots in the room (we know where they are already)Oh yes, we'll
take over Trade now...A bit of an unoriginal name for a disco eh ?
guess we'll have to change it when we take it over..How about The Vulva
Room, ooh has ring to it, doesn't it. And William you are not welcome
there, once we have taken it over. So come for the first few weeks to
give them a false security about the joint, and then you can piss off
back to the shift where you belong. Oh thanks Will, for giving the "Big
Butt Lesbo Venue Invaders" it's next conquest, you're a treasure.
Big Butt Lesbian Venue Invaders Inc. - Wed Dec 31 8:48:16 1997
Oh, William, by the way, most gay women don't have to use dental
dams because we don't have infectious diseases pet. A bit of thrush now
and then, but life threatening ..no. Clean up your own backyard before
you comment on others hon, you don't have a very good track record.
I'm joining Lesbian Venue Invaders - Wed Dec 31 8:55:29 1997
I am a gay male who identifies with the lesbian community and has cross dressing tendencies. Which venue(s) do I go to ????
Confused - Wed Dec 31 11:07:41 1997
My favourite song for the year - 'Freedom' by Robert Miles featuring Kathy Sledge.
Beats per minute - Wed Dec 31 11:10:27 1997
The best thing about Free FM 96.9 is Kate Munroe. I luv her intelligent
interviews and that sexy voice. More of Kate please !!!!!
Gay boy - Wed Dec 31 11:15:38 1997
I do not for one second support or condone William's comments (is
he for real???). However I find it far more offensive the comments of
I'm joining Lesbian Venue Invaders. Stick your views up your arse and
stay happy in your HIV negative and thrush ridden world. I for one am
proud of the response of the gay community (with the support of many
many lesbians) to the HIV crisis in this country and in particular this
city. I suggest we in fact have a good track record (even with many
mistakes made and a long long long way to go) in handling the multitude
of issues surrounding HIV.
Pos and proud - Wed Dec 31 11:36:06 1997
Yes Darling, I am for real..... This is not the first time an
ill-mannered and offensive Lesbian has reached into the gutter and
started slagging us men off with issues such as HIV and perceived
"dirty sex", Honey. Just look back along the comments to find
"bitching" filthier than the toilet bowls at Wynyard station. Sweetie,
I find your comments disturbing anyhow..... who said anything about
discriminating against pos people in the Shift????? You were the one to
make an issue of HIV satatus in your first post Darl...... Does that
mean that a deaf or blind or quadriplegic person would also find my
comments as disturbing as the Dykes??? Hon, I suggest you keep things
in perspective.... Sweetie, I have many positive friends and they,
unlike you, do not seem to make a huge issue out of it. We are talking
dancefloor, not medical status, Daaarling.
William - Wed Dec 31 14:57:18 1997
To be honest William I think any fairminded and tolerant person
would find your comments disturbing (irrespective of sex, sexuality,
health condition, looks, physical impairment ..... you name it).
Male, gay, HIV-, GQ model type with bif dick (and who doesn't need to queue at the Shift) - Wed Dec 31 17:32:18 1997
William is William Hanson from the One Shift Party.
Pauline - Wed Dec 31 17:34:25 1997
Being Gay means i want my Dyke to be with me. She is not!!!! so
what must i do now? Use a Candel?? She took my machine withe her!!!!
Thu Jan 1 5:08:27 1998
Is any body going to answer me !!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease!!!
Thu Jan 1 5:10:49 1998
I asume Australians has been boeled out. They do not have any Dykes
to play SA pussy because SA Lessies are stonger then Dykes down under.
My Lips and Nippels must remain unsatisfied!!!!
Thu Jan 1 5:19:06 1998
Do u allow anything!!!!!
I assume your Dykes walk around in girly uniforms like klooster koeke!!!!
Thu Jan 1 5:35:03 1998
Can anyone tell me the way to the Showgrounds ??? I think I took a wrong turn left. Hope the party is not over.
All dressed up - Thu Jan 1 9:53:01 1998
I find William's comments illuminating, he has values and sticks to
them despite being slagged off. I wanted to write before but have
always left it. I agree that certain spaces are better suited to the
one gender, and also get tired of *some* females acting as if they have
a right to go wherever they choose. If the girls come in then the
straights will follow, just look at DCM and Exchange Hotel, full of
straights. Is it really so wrong for the boys to have their spaces of
which they can be proud? Just look at the Damage the girrrls did to
Mardi Gras, it has become so bland and commercial that people are
talking of a fringe festival. We *are* the fringe...........how sad
this all is. The name was canged to syd gay and lesbian mardi, then the
next year they stacked the board and threw all the guys out. In
addition look at the boring events in the programme. Although I do not
agree with everything william says he is expressing concerns that i
know a lot of men feel very strongly about. And the conquering attitude
of the women who feel they are doing nothing wrong. William, did you do
some market research on the cleanliness of the toilet bowls at
Wynyard??
Supporter of William - Thu Jan 1 11:27:41 1998
How does William know how clean the toilet bowls at Wynyard Station are?
Must be a place he regularly frequents!
Red - Thu Jan 1 15:28:19 1998
Trivia time - the first woman to be allowed into the Shift was Grace Jones
I was there - Thu Jan 1 16:11:17 1998
Remember when Chris Dobney (former editor of Capital Q) put together an
alternative Mardi Gras ticket to contest elections to the board at an
AGM. At least he had the guts and commitment to do something and just
didn't bitch and complain. Guys and gals, if you want change, you must
empower yourselves to do something about it.
Get off your arses - Thu Jan 1 16:22:32 1998
Suggestion for the name of a William inspired Mardi Gras board ticket - the Shift Turds
Any more suggestions - Thu Jan 1 16:26:38 1998
I heard the toilets were not 'working' at Pride.
Boys will be boys - Fri Jan 2 11:43:51 1998
I heard the toilets were not 'working' at Pride.
Boys will be boys - Fri Jan 2 11:44:39 1998
Dear pos and proud, don't take offence at my comments about HIV aids,
it was in reference to William's idiotic comments about dental dams,
and only meant to show him how pathetic he is. It is he who has the
lousy track record, not all the lesbians that put thousands of hours
into the gay male community. And friend of William's, grow up, "when
the lesbians come in, the straights will follow" What rot ! It's
usually the Fag Hags that the poofs bring in that constitute the
"staight element" in gay bars. Have you ever seen a bunch of het men
following a bunch of dykes around squeeling "Oh only if she was
straight" tell your gay male friends to ditch the Fag Hags and maybe
there will be less "straights" in Gay & Lesbian venues. And as for
the demise of Mardi Gras, can you really seriously blame that one on
all the Lesbians ? get real. All the Festival directors and organisers
are male honey....Richard McIntyre, Jonathon Parsons, ask your poofy
brothers why the Festival is so boring. And we are tired of you gay men
who think you can go anywhere as well, keep your'e bloody transvestites
and spandex sexuals out of our venues. Can't you men take care of your
own bloody kind. Talk about dykes being assertive, look at the bloody
trannies and the shit they stirred up at Lesbian Space. It was the
single most destructive thing that they had to cope with, and almost
ruined the whole thing. The male transexuals thought it was their
"right" to enter a "women only" space, even though the majority of
women who actually wanted to use the space didn't want men in there. If
we wanted men in there we would have called it "Lesbian, and men who
think they are women Space". So shove it up your colon, all you friends
of William.
Lesbian Venue Invaders Strike again - Fri Jan 2 12:19:24 1998
It' plain to see that Gay men are just as ignorant and hatefull of
women as straight men are. You are all the same, even though you hide
behind that cute gay boy facade, you're just the same as any other het
misogynist male. You are all so fearfull of women, what's you're
problem ? Don't want women in your dance spaces, don't want women in
the Mardi Gras ? Where do you want us then ? You boy's better wise up
and smell the coffee, without us you are dead. If you want to set up
"Poof Nation", go right ahead, see if we care, we can do without your
bloody time wasting antics, we have better thing to do than wipe the
sweat from your brows. Cloning in now possible, we don't need you
anymore, understand ? go back to the jungles where you belong and screw
monkeys for all we care. Herd them all up in the shift and lock the
doors for a week, see how they like a world with all men then hon...all
you little poofy bitches would have scratched eachohter's eyes out by
then. Why don't you all create another war and go off and kill
eachother, and we women will clean up your mess as usual, this time,
don't come back.
Death to Men - Fri Jan 2 12:30:09 1998
I love all gay men; I love all lesbians; I love all men haters; I
love all women haters; I love all trannies; I love all fag hags; I love
all their boyfriends as well; I even love William
Still warm and fuzzy from NYE - Fri Jan 2 12:53:51 1998
That E sure takes a long time to wear off.
No longer fuzzy - Fri Jan 2 12:55:56 1998
I cannot understand why the lesbian community had such a problem in
handling the issue of transexuals who identify as lesbians. A bit of
understanding and compassion would not have gone astray.
Opening up old wounds - Fri Jan 2 13:01:43 1998
Aunty Merle to the rescue. If you lot don't stop I'll bang your heads
together! I'm going to get a bucket and some gladwrap and milk the lot
of you of all this venom. Now william and co and those nasty lesbians I
have one word for all of you..........."analysis"
You're all blowing the same hate trumpet! And its loud!!!!!!!!
Do you all mind I have one of my meegrains.
Aunty Merle - Fri Jan 2 17:36:53 1998
Dear "Aunty Merle", if you feel the comments are too loud then I
suggest you turn your hearing aid down a notch, Honey. Thanks "friend
of William", whover you are gorgeous!!! Dear"Lesbian Veue Invader",
Darl, you and your kind really showed your true colours, and
impenetrable attitude when the trannies, who were female identifying
with a gender reassignment operation were refused entry into the
Lesbian Space. This "space" was not even a nightclub, but rather, a
community based social club for Dykes, Darling.... I would cast your
mind back to the fracas that stirred up surrounding this issue. So your
argument is rather shallow. It is this hateful and spiteful attitude
that many gay men disrespect in women like you. Sure, Honey, women have
been through a lot over the centuries, but those centuries have ended,
Darl. No-one owes you or women anything Hon!!! It is your destiny. So
get out there, drop the politics and your jealous streak. Gay men and
gay nightclubs owe you zilch, Sweetie. By the way Darl, the only time I
have ever seen gay men chasing Dykes down the street was to nik their
lippie, or to ask how they got off without an old fella up
em................Daaaaaarling!
William - Fri Jan 2 18:04:30 1998
Please, please, please stop all this nasty bitching. What is the point?
Gay men and Lesbian women probably has less in common with each other
than with the straight community. But for gods sake stop the stupid
bitching. There are enough hassles to deal with in our life without
stirring this gay vs lesbian pot. Let us try to make 1998 and beyong a
better year for everybody.
We are all people - Fri Jan 2 18:15:42 1998
William, you have truly lost the plot. Most of what you say doesn't
make any sense and you keep totally contradicting yourself in just
about every entry. The centuries of shit have not ended for us yet and
they are still a long way off, you're comments prove this. No-one has
said or even hinted that we are owed anything it is much more obvious
that you are having a problem with women trying to balance the scales
between men and women and your only reaction is to get defensive and
slag us off. I don't think I've ever seen such malice from one person
towards females. Will you please stop bringing things up and then when
someone responds write stuff that totally contradicts or has nothing to
do with the comment, you are using this platform only to be abusive
towards women.
Your comments are totally unacceptable to all but a few people and you
are the one who is inciting this hatred and abuse.
Just stop and get a life. The world doesn't need people like you or
Pauline Hanson.
With pity for William - Fri Jan 2 21:18:43 1998
My first visit here! Hey, what stirring...:)At least we can post
'our feelings'. Agree with one comment though. Fag hags tend to follow
the trends gay boys set, yet there appear to be few 'lesso hags' (or
whatever the word is)following lesbian trends. So give us some advice -
how do we get rid of them? I am not taking sides in the above
exchanges. I am a a gay guy and have never had to 'come out', since I
was never ever 'in'. I enjoy the company of our lesbian friends, but I
respect their spaces and trust they do the same in return. But hey,
those little fag hags and the bloody packs on their backs! Get rid of
them at 'our' parties. The next time one swings her little back pack my
way - heaven help her. What do they keep in them? Why do they need
them? My lesbian friends seem to get by without the need for a little
back pack.
Gay Guy - Fri Jan 2 22:26:13 1998
William, Darling, Pet. I can see your face in my mind. All screwed up
with your nose in the air. Pet, you are not superior to anybody.
Without Lesbians in our community there would not be a community. Sure
poofs want there own spaces, so do dykes. But poofs have all the sex
clubs to themselves and most of the venues have a mailnly male
clientel. So what if a dyke joins us in a mainly male venue. Are you
that insecure that you would not cope? I have joined dykes in mainly
dyke venues and have been welcomed. It's the yobbo's we want out of the
venues not all people who don't conform to Williams Wish Wellingtons
rather narrow view of the world. William, a mysoginist you are. An
Adult i'm not sure. Maybe when you grow up and read the history books
you will realise that united we stand, divided we fall. Through the
epidemic our community both male and female stood together to look
after our sisters and brothers. Don't try and destroy this by by being
a narrow minded 50s retro styled Howardsite.
Coalitionist - Fri Jan 2 22:54:13 1998
Christ I wish we could just breed without women: No women n our
roads - blocking the aisles in supermarkets with their big fat arses:
They really do think it is their God given right to take whatever they
want wherever tehy want - regardless of who it belongs to: I am all for
more men only spaces - shops / bars / pools / roads / apartment blocks
/ you name it..
John
Sat Jan 3 0:47:21 1998
Dear "Opening up old wounds".Can't you see the point ? William
wants women to be refused entry into most of the nightclubs, all
Lesbian Space wanted was one place were women could go, without men.
I'm sorry, but many women feel that it takes more than a "gender
reassignment" to make a woman. We are not just men with our dicks
cutoff, or doses of hormones. Many women have been abused by men, and a
lot of these women are the ones that would have rather kept Lesbian
Space women only. I mean just cause I get a suntan it doesn't make me
black. There is a lot more to being a woman than wearing a dress and
make up, or fluffing around. I don't blame you for wanting to be a
woman (excellent choice in gender), but it is a lifetime experience
that starts from birth. The other thing is accepting men, who change
their sex and then want to be lesbians ? Why not do a service to
straight women, stay a man, and be a good one, I think you'd pull more
chicks this way !! Lesbians are Lesbians because they want to be with
women, not men with their penises inserted back up them. Be a good man,
if you want to make it with women, do it as a man, it's ridiculous and
insulting to think that you are ever going to be accepted into the
Lesbian community in any way but a superficial way. Do you think Gay
men want women with dildoes making love to them ? I think not. So old
wound, leave your dick were it is and get on with being a good man, and
being good to women.
Let's face reality - Sat Jan 3 0:57:29 1998
Hey, why don't we really get going on something that William will
love. Lesbians behind the bar!!! *yes*... the good ol' Imperial had a
dyke serving the back bar on New Years Eve. Funny thing was that she
couldn't even add the price of drinks. 1 Lemon Ruski & 1
Burbon+Coke at the front bar was $10.20. At the back bar same drinks
were $15.40 (gotta love inflation!). Hey William, that might be
something you can have a think about & then reflect how the dykes
are invading our financial systems..
Disgruntled Imperialist - Sat Jan 3 0:58:59 1998
Hey, why don't we really get going on something that William will
love. Lesbians behind the bar!!! *yes*... the good ol' Imperial had a
dyke serving the back bar on New Years Eve. Funny thing was that she
couldn't even add the price of drinks. 1 Lemon Ruski & 1
Burbon+Coke at the front bar was $10.20. At the back bar same drinks
were $15.40 (gotta love inflation!). Hey William, that might be
something you can have a think about & then reflect how the dykes
are invading our financial systems..
Disgruntled Imperialist - Sat Jan 3 0:59:39 1998
Dear john, another lad that doesn't read history books. Women
walking in and taking what they want ? Ha ha ha Oh Dear John you really
are a silly little boy. We can breed without you, and that's the point.
You are all jealous of our ability to "create" life, when all you men
can do is destroy it. Men have abused women & children, pillaged,
taken what is not theirs for millions of years. Read history and I mean
His Story. I wonder who "took" all the land from the American Indians,
Aboriginals, South Americans mm? I wonder what gender these great
"empire builders" were? let me think, oh yes men...I wonder who took
over all the Jews property in Poland and Hungary mmm think the fellow
was Hitler, yes that was his name. You really are dumb John. Go to Iran
lovey, and then you can be with all men, they root goats there,
probably about you IQ I would say.
PureXX - Sat Jan 3 1:12:04 1998
Disgruntled Imperialist. There are plenty of women who work at the
backbar, and the prices are usually more expensive in there to cover
the men dressed up as women's wages. A woman owns the bloody place
mate, so you are giving your money to a Lesbian anyway. Have a talk to
Dawn about all the venues she provides for you boys, or go to the
Oxford Street venues who are all owned by straight investers. yeah give
them your money. And how do you justify calling it "our" financial
systems ? It is a Lesbian owned pub matey, I think you mean "our" (read
Lesbian) business don't you. If it wasn't for Dawn Odonnell you boys
would have missed out on heaps of venues over the years, it is she
(read Lesbian $$$$) that has kept you boys in barsm gyms and jock
straps for years...sucker.
Ask Dawn - Sat Jan 3 1:22:59 1998
Are all these ignorant men just one person with different names ?
or are gay men really this bad ? I can't believe how naive they are,
uneducated and just plain dumb. John, Ralph, William and friends are
you for real ? Your bitter diatribe against women is very frightening.
If you want to live in a world without women, go on one of those bush
"men's discovery" weekends, and get your spears back out, go hunt your
food and have silly "warrior wars" with eachother. Grunters...go back
to the jungles where you hairy smelly apes belong, and leave us women
in bloody peace for a change. Loin cloths look great in lycra..hop to
it boyz
You Tarzan, me confused - Sat Jan 3 1:34:47 1998
I bet all these woman hating men secretly go home and talk in very
high voices while applying their lippy and squeezing their hairy butts
into girlie lingerie ? I just bet you all secretly want to be women anf
find your genitals repulsive (don't blame you). Yeah that's it you're
all closet cross dressers. All I can say is be a good boy in this life
and the Goddess may grant you female form in the next life..but only if
you're good mind you.
Pity for men - Sat Jan 3 1:41:16 1998
Hey Girls it's about time we reclaimed words like "queen" "girlie"
"she" "bitch" etc...Leave our vocabulary alone boys, you've taken
everything else.
Queen of the girlie bitch she devils - Sat Jan 3 1:44:20 1998
At least William can express his views. So what? They are his
views. I don't agree totally with him however he has the right to
express them. We are a minority and expect to be heard, so why try to
put down somone with alter views. All the better I reckon for
diversity. But it is a bit crook to put his views into a doco the way
it was posted before. and I will be wary of any cams/mikes in my face.
I will be alert and aware. Sounds like someone other than William has
an agenda to push?????
Gay Guy - Sat Jan 3 2:12:03 1998
Dawn O'Donnell, Jesus, that fat Dyke sold out the exchange and
Patches, not to cash in on the gays but to cash in on the straight
dollar. DCM's as it is now known is populated entirely by kebab shop
owners' children located in some horrible western suburbs shopping
mall. When she attracted this unsalubrious clientele she sold out, and
cashed in. Shame she didn't spend the moolah on a facelift, or better
still a "feminine transplant", to rejuvenate those butch lorry driver
looks. So what if she still owns the toolsheds, I mean how many dildoes
and butt plugs does a guy need??
Friend of Williams - Sat Jan 3 2:31:00 1998
Friend of William's, how long have you been out of touch dear? DCM has
been DCM for ages... most of the "baby poofs" wouldn't even know what
you were talking about if you said Patches. As far as the kebab shop
owners children... well, I have to agree. If we wanted smelly sweaty
bods, we'd just order it over the counter. All this about "selling out
& cashing in"... time for people to put their money where the mouth
is... buy them all back!!
Materialistic Opportunist - Sat Jan 3 2:51:37 1998
Dear Gay Guy, when will you boys ever get it????
We also have the right to 'alter' views. But you want to tell us to
stop putting him down for his???? Hello....what do you think he is
doing?? Oh, but of course you are men.....
Sat Jan 3 3:43:37 1998
Gay Guy is William's bf
williams other man - Sat Jan 3 5:22:36 1998
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